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The St. James

Houston, Texas

The quality just continues to go...

The quality just continues to go up. Lots of very attractive women, although many of them are occupied with what I expect are regulars. It's funny, because a lot of times the girls…

Playhouse Lounge

Burlington, New Jersey

Wow. What a dump. ...

Wow. What a dump. I mean really. And NOT AT ALL couples-friendly. Here's why the bad rating. I'm a lucky man; most of the girls I date don't mind an occasional trip to a…

The Furnace

Birmingham, Alabama

Ok as with all reviews this...

Ok as with all reviews this rating is relative to the other clubs in the area, not a rating in respect to all the other clubs I have been to as mileage laws make that…

Mynx Cabaret Hartford

Hartford, Connecticut

This club is really 2 clubs...

This club is really 2 clubs in 1: A Topless side with $10 cover, alcohol, non-smoking with a bathroom troll. The Nude entrance at far back of building has $5 cover charge, juice bar, and…

Bazooka's Showgirls

Kansas City, Missouri

I stopped by Bazookas the other...

I stopped by Bazookas the other day. It was Thursday afternoon, around 2:30 pm. This place is very easy to find. It was a nice day, so I decided to go on…

Allstar's

Lawrence, Kansas

Girls here are worried about other...

Girls here are worried about other clubs doing better because when I asked them about other clubs in the area they were extremly negative and didn't talk about anything but how bad the other girls…

Jill's Lounge And Gentlemens Club

Valley Grove, West Virginia

Hard to find and not much...

Hard to find and not much parking unless you want to park at the bottom of the mountain and walk up. Dancers kept coming in around 9pm. Would rate them 5-7 maybe with an…

Century Lounge

Lennox, California

I stopped by here recently on...

I stopped by here recently on my way to LAX. I was there on a Thursday afternoon and had a prety good time. The place was pretty empty (only 2 customers when I…

Platinum Plus

West Columbia, South Carolina

I make it out to this...

I make it out to this club a couple times every year, often enough to be able to notice some consistencies. The most recent time was last week. One consistency is that the mileage available…

Tally Ho Gentlemens Club

Rochester, New York

I stopped in one afternoon last...

I stopped in one afternoon last week and I have to say that this club clearly has the best looking dancers in Rochester. There were 6 dancers working (around 2:30 in the afternoon) and…

Cherries

Portland, Oregon

Ok....Where to start? First of all,...

Ok....Where to start? First of all, the club is way too small and not kept clean at all. There was not anything professional about the place! The so-called "waitress" was exteremly rude and I homestly…

Wild West Saloon

Winnemucca, Nevada

Used to be "Paradise Cafe". The...

Used to be "Paradise Cafe". The name has been changed recently to "The Black Pearl Gentleman's Club." It's open Wed, Fri, and Sat nights. This is not a traditional strip club. It…

Cheetah Palm Beach

West Palm Beach, Florida

Went by here after work for...

Went by here after work for a few drinks and ended up staying for a couple of hours. The drinks were reasonable and there were plenty of good looking women. I had a…

Bliss

Atlanta, Georgia

I haven't been into this club...

I haven't been into this club in a long time so while waiting tor another club to open I decided to give it a try. This is kind of a local bar placed behind…

Doll House

Atlanta, Georgia

I went into the Doll House...

I went into the Doll House just to check it out again. The last time I went in there was a lady who gave wonderful VIP's was not that much of a babe ,but.…

Flashers

Atlanta, Georgia

Was in the area last Friday...

Was in the area last Friday night. Still the same $5 for self parking and $10 cover. The inside is still dark and run down and is more like a neighborhood bar than strip club.Drinks…

Oasis Goodtime Emporium

Atlanta, Georgia

Ejoying myself more and more the...

Ejoying myself more and more the more times i go here. Dancers are friendly and not too pushy. Girls, for the most part, are reasonably good looking. Drinks are fair. Crowd…

Cowboys Showgirls

Lexington, Kentucky

Cowboys is one of the older...

Cowboys is one of the older clubs in town and it shows. The dances here can be cheaper than some places in town,but the girls tend to be average to marginal in comparrison to…

Mustangs Gentleman's Club

Hyattsville, Maryland

OK place to go, was here...

OK place to go, was here in DC on business. There were 4-5 girls dancing, ranging from 4-8. You can sit and sip a beer and not spend much money if you want.…

Spearmint Rhino Las Vegas

Las Vegas, Nevada

This club is upscale with a...

This club is upscale with a very eclectic music mix. While it is spacious, it sometimes gets so busy that it's difficult to find a seat (and some of the seats that they do…

Perfect 10 Men's Club

Austin, Texas

Went back here and had a...

Went back here and had a great time. Had some dances from Ivory - who I had seen before at another Austin club. She is very attractive and gave very nice dances.…

Sportsmans Inn

Providence, Rhode Island

This place is located in downtown...

This place is located in downtown Providence; Easy access by exit 21.The club is located in a same building as the hotel. Entry fees is $5 after six, beer is $5 dollars. This club is…

Bonita Flats Saloon

Olathe, Kansas

This is nothing like a Los...

This is nothing like a Los Angeles or Vegas club, but for Kansas I would say it's one of the best. Music is old school (there is no DJ - just a jukebox that…

Tens Adult Entertainment

Hoboken, New Jersey

Went here last Thursday and this...

Went here last Thursday and this club did not disappoint. Cover, like any other Manhattan club is a ridiculous $30. However, the club is usually not too packed and it's easy to get a seat…

Larry Flynt's Hustler Club

New Orleans, Louisiana

I was there the afternoon before...

I was there the afternoon before JazzFest weekend, and things wre pretty quiet. Lifting the $5 cover might help. Everyone was friendly and not too pushy. A very well endowed -- and seemingly…

Show & Tel

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

a fun place but i have...

a fun place but i have to agree that this place is very different. there are different areas for different things with a video store next to it. expect hot chicks, decent mileage,…

Baby Dolls

New Carlisle, Ohio

The old management has been fired,...

The old management has been fired, replaced by people from Diamonds, the other club they run. There were only 4 dancers this saturday, and only two, Robin and Alexis, were worth it. In…

Tattletale Lounge

Atlanta, Georgia

Went here with some co-workers on...

Went here with some co-workers on a weeknight. First I noticed a sign for valet parking, and in the ATL this usually means $20, but when I pull up, dude says the valet is free.…

Platinum Plus

Greenville, South Carolina

I went to this club last...

I went to this club last weekend and I must say that the number of women working that night was absolutely amazing. It seemed like every place I turned had one gorgeous women after…

Night Trips Tulsa

Tulsa, Oklahoma

I was in Tulsa for some...

I was in Tulsa for some company training and decided to check out a local strip club. Night Trips is certainly not a bad place. It is clean, in a reasonably safe part of town…

PT's Centerfolds

Denver, Colorado

Went to this club on a...

Went to this club on a late Wednesday night. Only two stages open, but a little after nine, three stages opened up. Probably 12 or so dancers who varied between 5-7. Cover…

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Ginger or Maryann?

Which type do you go for in a stripper? And why?

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College student strippers: Myth or Reality?

It seems that during the May TV ratings sweeps there are always news magazine stories about strip clubs. And they often remark that many college students turn to stripping for quick, easy money. However, in reality, I have met very…

Club Flamingo

South Hackensack, New Jersey

Club is easy to get to,...

Club is easy to get to, right off he main highway near Teterboro airport. Parking is easy - either discretely in the rear or plenty of parking in strip mall that is all closed…

Fancy's

Oklahoma City, Oklahoma

Went on a Sat nite and...

Went on a Sat nite and club was filled with only few people. There was no hassle for drinks. There are three dance floors but just one was used. Bought dances from Fire. The dance…

The Cheetah

Atlanta, Georgia

Cheetah is always a good time....

Cheetah is always a good time. If you are used to being able to touch the girls.....think again, at Cheetah there is no contact but the girls are high quality. Most of the girls that…

Gentlemens Quarters

Hempstead, New York

i must have gone to a...

i must have gone to a different bar because the girls that were there were attractive, but thats not enough for a succesful strip club. i should have paid attention to the trend ratings on…

Gossip

Melville, New York

was around here for a party...

was around here for a party so i stopped in late afternoon .this was a big mistake!!hadn't been here for years but management obviously has changed.rude management doesn't cut,especially with other forms of…

Tootsie's Cabaret

Miami, Florida

This place is like one big...

This place is like one big warehouse! I came here last saturday around 9:00 since I was in miami and had heard good things about this place. I thought people were exaggerating when they said…

Stir Crazy Showgirls

Miami, Florida

I came here last year while...

I came here last year while on business, the place was a neighborhood strip club that has a lot of latina girls. I was a little disappointed with tootsie's, so I decided to come back…

Silver Bullet Bar

Urbana, Illinois

Went on a Thursday night. Not...

Went on a Thursday night. Not a huge crowd but tables were mostly full. It was my first time here in about a year. Was a little suprised when I walked up as many of…

Bare Assets

Holiday, Florida

There have been a number of...

There have been a number of changes since I last reviewed this club, which is still my favorite. They remodeled the area in the back, where the second stage is. The second stage…

Cheetah

Hallandale Beach, Florida

Went on a friday around 6PM....

Went on a friday around 6PM. Crowded already. Hard to get much attention but finally a hot blond came over and without much chit chat gave a hard sell for the champagne room. 120$…

Th' Katch Show Club

Farragut, Tennessee

I visited Babli's last night and...

I visited Babli's last night and from the previous reviews, I was expecting a disappointment. Not so. Granted there were no cell phones allowed. BUt that's true of most Knoxville clubs. Besides, can't you do…

The Ball Gentleman's Club

Knoxville, Tennessee

Not a bad club. I can...

Not a bad club. I can see improvements. Although this is also a no cell phone club (like the others in Knoxville), but it is a BYOB club. The girls were good looking. Stage dances were…

MTM's

Powell, Tennessee

Can't say much for Raymond's. Small...

Can't say much for Raymond's. Small club. Girls were not friendly on the night I was there and there were probably 10 girls. Most were 6-7 range. A couple were hefty size. No girl stopped by…

Club Fantasies

Providence, Rhode Island

I've been to fantasies about 5...

I've been to fantasies about 5 times in the last 2 years. Last night had one of the weaker selections in awhile for girls. It's still a great atmosphere there and definitely…

Night Club 37

Kraków, Poland

Stopped in just after this place...

Stopped in just after this place opened, which was 8:00 PM. A few women there, one I started talking to about the details. This place, unlike others in this town, requires a room rental, which…

PoleKatz

Bridgeview, Illinois

Great place, nice big club, clean,...

Great place, nice big club, clean, friendly staff. 5.00 valet parking or you can try and find place on street to park. If you get there before 6 pm no cover charge, after 6 10.00.…

Jaguars Club Phoenix

Phoenix, Arizona

I've been meaning to check Le'Girls...

I've been meaning to check Le'Girls West out since they changed name/ownership awhile back so on a recent Saturday night I decided to make a stop. Based upon my past experiences with the Penthouse…

Camelot

Washington, D.C., District of Columbia

Went to my favorite Washingtian club...

Went to my favorite Washingtian club on wednesday and Thursday.The place had not changed since my last visit last ( no admittance fees),a glass of wine is more little more then $10.You are…

Stars Cabaret

Beaverton, Oregon

Everything is legal here. However the...

Everything is legal here. However the girls are SMOKING hot. I walked in and sat and had a couple drinks. Never felt pressure to give a lady private dance. Tipped a blonde-9 at the stage…

Lalamido Night Club

Kraków, Poland

Nice, nice place! The bar itself...

Nice, nice place! The bar itself is modern, nothing special, but the rooms inside, as in bedrooms, are very well appointed. 5 ladies were available for me to choose from, and my choice was obvious…

Baby Dolls

Dallas, Texas

Went again for another visit while...

Went again for another visit while in DFW on business. The girls are hot, the dances can be even hotter with the right person upstairs in a fort. Definitely recommend visiting and seeing Becky (I…

Silver Dollar Exotic Club

Ottawa, Ontario

Haven't been here since the high...

Haven't been here since the high school/college days which was basically light years ago and this club was pretty much a dive back then. Back in the area decided to pay it a visit…

Sexy Secret

Hamtramck, Michigan

Went there the other night..Had agreat...

Went there the other night..Had agreat time it is not in the best area but fenced in parking. Have not had a bad dance yet. They will drag your money from your wallet pace yourself…

Jiggles

Indianapolis, Indiana

Visited Saturday, not good, the girls...

Visited Saturday, not good, the girls hung out with regulars and did not seem interested in making any money. bigger crowd than normal, nice waitresses who were friendly. are $ dances a thing of the…

Booby Trap

Pompano Beach, Florida

Day shift had a couple cute...

Day shift had a couple cute girls but mostly average. Unless you are really in the mood overpaying to get your rocks off by an average looking woman, I wouldn't recommend this place.…

Pure Platinum

Wilton Manors, Florida

Mothers Day is a bad day...

Mothers Day is a bad day to go to a strip club. I overheard that most of the dayshift dancers were out because they all had kids. Only one dancer was in the…

Cheetah Pompano Beach

Pompano Beach, Florida

This club has some really hot...

This club has some really hot women, and they get all the way naked and do some really nice moves with their bodies for tips, which is really cool. They also do nice $10…

Admiral Theatre

Chicago, Illinois

I was there Sunday night, and...

I was there Sunday night, and not crowded, which was good. About 8 girls working and all very hot. Fully nude, which is good. Had a few table dances, and for table dances not bad.…

Cafe Risque

Micanopy, Florida

This is the first strip club...

This is the first strip club I ever went to, and for being just off a major highway the quality of the girls can be pretty good. Thank you UF! The dancers are…

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The other strippers in the club: Do they matter?

As long as there's one girl you can have a good time with, does is matter if there aren't any other strippers in the club you find attractive? Both from a practical standpoint (other girls to look at, other options…

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Any experience with the CR @ Bourbon St. Circus?

I've been to BSC several times and I like it, for PHX standards anyway. I'm going to be back soon and I'm thinking of trying out the champagne room but I want to hear first if anyone else has tried…

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TV Sitcom Fantasy MILF

Simply put: What Sitcom TV Mom would you like to bang ? We are not talking about the "actress-in-reality." For some reason, I think that Everybody Loves Raymond's DEBRA BARONE would be a hot piece of ass. It appears that…

Watering Hole Lounge

Pioneer, Tennessee

As other reviewers have stated this...

As other reviewers have stated this club is hit or miss depending on the night you go. On a recent Friday night visit I was pleased to see 7-10 girls all of whom were acceptable.…

Fantasia

Huntsville, Alabama

I also thought crowd was pretty...

I also thought crowd was pretty sparce for a weekend night. Looks like the number of girls has decreased. About 12-15 working with about half in the young slendr group and the other half also…

Seductions International

Brantford, Ontario

Went to this club during April...

Went to this club during April 2007. Totally sucked. There is some rule about not having the dancers dance unless there are at least 3 guys in the club, and I was guy…

Private Eyes

St. Catharines, Ontario

There are actually two Private Eyes...

There are actually two Private Eyes clubs in St Catherines, Niagara, Ontario. Both are great, I was there last week. The one close to the Taco bell has some good looking girls and…

Exotic She Lounge

Evansville, Indiana

Times do change. Finally all of...

Times do change. Finally all of the ebony dancers in Evansville have decided to work one place. on any given night you will see 4 to 6 ebony dancers ranging from a 4 to an…

Yellow Rose

Austin, Texas

I went in for lunch on...

I went in for lunch on a Friday last month, but didn't stay long. There was a nice looking girl on the main stage and she looked like she was giving a decent dance.…

Mons Venus

Tampa, Florida

It had been a long time...

It had been a long time since I visited this club. Things have not changed. The moment one walks in there are multiple hotties all around who are oh so easy on the…

Sugar & Spice

Chattanooga, Tennessee

I visited several weeks ago, but...

I visited several weeks ago, but left early and abruptly when the local police swarmed in looking for any kind of violation, as part of a larger crackdown in the area. When I returned several…

Lulu's

Cleveland, Ohio

Went there last night, after having...

Went there last night, after having not gone in 10 years, same joint as I remembered. Most girls are average, though they seem pretty friendly. Got one dance from Amber, she said it…

Silver Dollar Club

Eugene, Oregon

With the demise of Diva's (leveled...

With the demise of Diva's (leveled to the ground) this is Eugene's premier strip club. There is usually a rotation of 15+ girls after 7pm everyday of the week. Clean restrooms, friendly help, a good…

Heavenly Bodies

Elk Grove Village, Illinois

HB is definitely a good time....

HB is definitely a good time. Not living room comfy, more like a bar. Cover is $5 before 5pm, $10 after. It includes food and well drinks. Premium booze runs only $2 more. Back room…

Sky11

Harvey, Illinois

The SkyBox can be a good...

The SkyBox can be a good place to stop by and have a few beers and watch pussy this/close on stage. There are several TV's placed strategically throughout the club showing sports and soft porn…

Industrial Strip

Hammond, Indiana

Industrial Strip is the best strip...

Industrial Strip is the best strip club I have been to by far. I have yet to be to another strip club where you can touch the strips breasts and not get thrown out.…

Excape Nightclub

Baltimore, Maryland

Stopped in on a thursday nite....

Stopped in on a thursday nite. A few 8's mostly 5's but no interaction with customers at all! The girls seemed more content to be with their b/f instead of making money. I…

Admiral Theatre

Chicago, Illinois

Admiral Theatre gone through many changes...

Admiral Theatre gone through many changes over the years with its remodeling, but unfortunately their dances remains the same. They provide topless air dances. In another room, they provide nude air dances for…

Pink Pony

Atlanta, Georgia

I like the Pony. Good...

I like the Pony. Good reliable ATL strip bar with hot women. It's less flashy than the Cheetah & more comfortable. I went Thursday around 2pm with a work buddy a couple…

McDoogals

Riviera Beach, Maryland

Finally made it to McD's. ...

Finally made it to McD's. Decided to forego my usual DC business stop at Players to check it out, despite inconsistent reviews. Overall, I'd go back but still prefer Players Club. The…

Nepals

Greenville, South Carolina

I like this club. Just as...

I like this club. Just as previous posts contend, the women are a bit more high class than Platinum Plus. Maybe its the way they dress, more evening gowns less bathing suit type outfits like…

Sportsmans Inn

Providence, Rhode Island

The Sportman's Inn is a strange...

The Sportman's Inn is a strange place; the name apparently applies to both the strip club and the rundown nightly hotel which is above the club. There's no real connection other than ownership; i.e.…

Kahoots Gentlemen's Club

Upper Arlington, Ohio

Came on a Friday night. (Best...

Came on a Friday night. (Best night to come.) About 20 to 30 dancers at the club most are really hot. Lots of people were at the club to. Got a 2 for…

Bazooka's Showgirls

Kansas City, Missouri

Went for my second time last...

Went for my second time last night and had a blast. All the girls are nice and do what they do very good. This is my favorite club out of the 4 in…

Fantasies Nightclub

Baltimore, Maryland

Visited late on a Friday afternoon...

Visited late on a Friday afternoon and found 9-10 ladies dancing. Would rate them 6 - 10. Dancers crawl around the bar fir tips after their set - gives you a chance…

Adelita Bar

Tijuana, Baja California

Stopped by here at 11:30 p.m....

Stopped by here at 11:30 p.m. on Wednesday night. Since the last reviewer "chitownlawyer" gave the most complete review I've ever seen, I won't go into any details. I counted about 85 girls…

Thee Dollhouse Myrtle Beach

North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina

Stopped in kinda early on Thursday...

Stopped in kinda early on Thursday night. A few standout girls there but not up to par of the usual quality expected. It seemed like there were alot of newbies working. Sat with a great…

Les Girls

San Diego, California

Still costs $10 to get in...

Still costs $10 to get in - but only $5 with the membership card, which never expires. It's an older theater-style place that goes back heaven-knows-how-long. (It's visible in the old movie "Hardcore.")…

Stage Door

Baltimore, Maryland

Just got back from the Stage...

Just got back from the Stage Door. I didn't have a good time but it has potential. First, it must be the smallest bar on the Block. Which is not good on a…

Peanuts and Beer

Tijuana, Baja California

I stopped by here at 8:00...

I stopped by here at 8:00 p.m. on Wednesday night. There was no cover and there were maybe 6 girsl working that I'd rate from 3-8.5. There were 5 customers here. I…

Filly's Gentlemen's Club

Winston-Salem, North Carolina

Went to Filly's last night... Lots...

Went to Filly's last night... Lots of top notch women. Topless dances were playful and enjoyable. Although this is a no touch establishment, the girls were still playful and sexy - eager to…

Harper's

Winston-Salem, North Carolina

Harper's is a unique place. ...

Harper's is a unique place. You will either love it or hate it. It is definitely a low end establishment with few girls to choose from. However, at least two of the…

Fannie's

South Fulton, Georgia

Went on a friday night.. the...

Went on a friday night.. the last of the four FIB clubs that I had to try. I was suprised that it was a mostly white club, being right next to Babes. Booze was expensive,…

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How do you alphabetize TUSCL?

Is The Ultimate Strip Club List to be alphabetized under T for The, or U for Ultimate? The professional bibliographer in me wishes to insist on the U, but part of me thinks of this website and its wonderful services…

Jaguars

El Paso, Texas

Attended on a Friday late afternoon/early...

Attended on a Friday late afternoon/early evening. Cover charge is $15 but the club is BYOB so bring some beer with you and the cover charge isn't too bad. The club is very nice inside…

Nepals

Greenville, South Carolina

In town on a business trip...

In town on a business trip and ran by. This is one of my all time favorite clubs in SC. They're only topless but the women are generally gorgeous and there is absolutely…

Players Club

Rosedale, Maryland

Visited this club after a long...

Visited this club after a long time probably after a year....nothing much has changed. Its as expensive as before to get in with membership and all and laps are $30. Still best mileage with prettiest…

Scarlett O'Hara's

Sioux Falls, South Dakota

Went on a Monday night. ...

Went on a Monday night. About 10 girls working, around 9:00pm. Club is clean, pool table in the back, one main stage in the front. Beers are around $5. Any donation…

Harper's

Winston-Salem, North Carolina

visited on a Wednesday night and...

visited on a Wednesday night and it was fairly slow. there were about 6-7 girls, all of whom were pretty friendly. they greet you with a little touch or kiss and show their…

Sugar Bare Vip Lounge

Winston-Salem, North Carolina

decided to try this club after...

decided to try this club after spending time at a different club. as usual, they had some sexy sisters in the place. Black Cat met me at the bar while i was getting…

2001 Odyssey

Tampa, Florida

I usually go to Mons across...

I usually go to Mons across the street, but I stopped by this club last weekend because I've been hearing great things about this place. I got a coupon out of the local adult mag,…

Pony

Memphis, Tennessee

I had a free afternoon so...

I had a free afternoon so I thought I would check-out the day shift. I know most of the Platinum Plus evening dancers have migrated here and I was hoping the same for the…

Larry Flynt's Hustler Club

San Francisco, California

Hustler = Hustlers. This place...

Hustler = Hustlers. This place has decent women, but they are not there to chat. Just there to seperate you from your hard-earned money. Nice to look at, and good tunes, but…

Deja Vu Showgirls Springfield

Springfield, Illinois

A recent Sunday night visit proved...

A recent Sunday night visit proved disappointing--again! Only four girls working for about 20 or more guys. Offered one dance in about 90 minutes in the club. One of the dancers spent…

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Strip voyeurism...

I'm not sure if it is appropriate to ask here (don't want to get any dancers or patrons in trouble), but are there any good postings by people who have snuck cameras into clubs? ...any good websites or links? I…

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Off topic: GPS

I bought a GPS for my truck today. It is a Garmin StreetPilot c330. My son spent over $2000.00 on his(in dash). I only paid $300 for a portable. User guide is very fague. It came with USB drivers and…

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EXPECTATIONS

What are your expectations when you go strip clubbing? Are they different when going to a club you haven't visited before? I generally have low expectations when I go clubbing. I treat it as an adventure. I only expect cold…

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So what's the real purpose of "making it rain" on a dancer??

I was thinking what are some of the reasons that guys will Rain or shower a dancer with a alot of money? Some may just want to make it look like they have alot of money but I think…

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New Format, Comments, Complaints, Bugs (revisited)

Founder: Everything is working great and it seems that reports of bugs have died down and everyone is tickled with the new site. Thanks again for all of your work on this board as you continue to make this…

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shadowcat is back.

Thank you founder. No more Igiveup or IGU. Soon Happy Lapper will return under his real nick name. Gotta change my email address.

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She does HJ's, She does BJ's, She will do full service OTC.

Why do strippers tell you this stuff? Dont't they realized that it is counerproductive to them? Or are they just setting you straight on what to expect from them???