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5 months ago
But as far as the middle east I have heard Dubai is the absolute best and possibly even better than the US or the UK. Dubai seems to be the only place where girls from the US or UK Or Australia are actually willing to go there for escorting purposes. Even on the eurogirls site i think it had the highest number of listings of any middle eastern country, with turkey second or third.
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5 months ago
I don’t know if most of them are russian or soviet. There are some turkish ones and some arabian ones. The nice thing is the rates are much lower than the US, I believe because the cost of living and food is lower there. Even the hottest girls charge $180 to $250 an hour or for two hours there. I havent seen anyone asking more than $250 an hour, most girls will do two hours for $200.
Also it seems they are much less likely to have pimps and even boyfriend’s out there. Its still a conservative country, and prostitution is quasi legal there. Turkish culture isn’t as open to open relationships or being a boyfriend pimp like the US. In the US, supposedly many escorts consider tongue kissing to be cheating? Over there, many of them actually offer and like DFKing. BJ without cover is standard there.
There were numerous girls still living with their parents, secretly escorting on the side. Materialism is huge at least with the escorting chicks. There arent really any high paying jobs there that would pay $100 or $200 an hour. The only wealthy people I knew of were businessmen.
Im assuming doctors and surgeons make far less there too because they charge less? A lot of people from other countries go there for plastic surgery… including guys. Saw numerous guys with nosejob bandages… every other guy at the hotel had a hair transplant done.
Eurogirls is a popular site there… there are also much smaller forum sites that are mostly used by the locals. You can also meet someone from there but will most likely need to use google translate. A few of the girls on the smaller forums only want to meet local Turkish men. Also some of them if they know you’re American or British, will ask you for double their normal rate…
I heard there are a lot of working girls walking around the Taksim square area. I didnt spend enough time there to find out, but during holiday season its just so packed with tourists. Even outside of holidays its a big tourist spot.
There is also a popular scam going on in the taksim area where guys or girls come up to you asking if you want girls or drugs, they take you to a nightclub they own or are affiliated with. Then they start serving you drinks without you asking. Then try charging you a ridiculous amount like $1000 for a couple drinks. If you refuse they may threaten you or threaten to call the cops on you hoping youll pay up.
The websites seem to be much safer especially if youre doing outcall having the girl come to you. The 4/5 star hotels seem to have no issues with guests and you can always meet her at the outside entrance area and enter the hotel together, that way she doesn’t have to register at the front desk at all and you can just walk straight up to the elevators.
Regarding the taxi scams they are still active, and its because of a ridiculous thing where the taxi drivers enter in the fare themselves on their taximeter and thats how they charge you. If you do uber, somehow it only has taxi drivers there are no civilian uber drivers. Uber is actually the best option though, unless you meet a taxi driver in person and agree on a set amount of Lira beforehand, and pay him only at the end of the trip.
With Uber, the uber driver enters in the fare at the end of the trip, but if the fare is anything outside of the range you were given before accepting the uber ride, you just have to report it to uber and they refund you and probably note that driver as a scammer in their system. I had a ridiculous situation where a trip was supposed to be 150 lira, the guy drops me off, i go back to my hotel, check uber and the ride cost was 450 lira! I reported it to uber and they adjusted it down under 150.
What i found is that a lot of uber drivers will try scamming a small amount hoping people don’t bother reporting it to Uber. I had a bunch of rides that we’re supposed to be 140 or 160 lira and they were overcharged by 20-40 lira. I reported them to Uber and they adjusted all of them. Only one driver was daring enough to charge the 450 lira which is so obvious.
Im looking forward to going there again… a lot of the food also seems better. Even the milk at the grocery store, somehow tastes a lot better than milk here. Maybe its sheeps milk, maybe the cows there arent raised the same as here.
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6 months ago
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drewcareypnwnot the real drew carey, but I play him at strip clubs...
The problem with civvie dating is you more than likely will be expected to pay for a variety of things, as well as expected to give gifts on all the holidays, valentines day, birthdays, etc. it would likely take an extraordinarily good looking guy to be able to get away with not paying for anything.
With a high status guy- they can get hookups easily but those girls will eventually leave if they arent going to get anything out of the situation besides hooking up. A high status guy is valuable because hes popular and that can help the girl’s popularity and status if shes seen out with him, meets people he knows, or if hes internet famous and posts her on his social media. If hes just trying to use her as a secret hookup he doesnt post anywhere- she’ll eventually leave that situation.
Looks alone definitely wont help much for civvie dating, even if youre like an 8.5/10. There are many gym bros who will lose out to the fat bartender or ugly basketball player or frat guy. For civvie dating you have to have money or status or both. Being famous or instagram famous is also a form of currency in itself because of what people can gain from associating with you.
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6 months ago
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Status is the most important factor when it comes to guys getting girls. It starts all the way back in highschool. I saw countless, countless examples of guys who were ugly as hell, fat, not rich, but, because they were on the basketball, football or baseball team, they were popular, had lots of friends and got the most girls.
Nowadays it’s gone even further- if you have musical talent, especially in a popular genre like hiphop- that too is enough. The small time drug dealers in highschool also got women thanks to being popular and well liked. If you looked gangster, and had gangster looking friends to hang out with- that all helped significantly with girls too.
You can see the same in college- but at this point money also starts to matter a lot more vs. highschool. The frat guys got the most women - even when they were ugly or out of shape or both. Student athletes- as long as it was a popular sport , also got the most, even if they looked ugly as hell.
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6 months ago
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drewcareypnwnot the real drew carey, but I play him at strip clubs...
FL34, the story doesnt add up. Are you saying you never sent her the cashapp in the first place? Or thar she didnt return it to you
I dont agree that strippers make enough each night playing by the rules. Especially in cities or areas where there arent many tourists around. In a tourist city like Vegas, it’s more likely theyll make good money playing by the rules.
It doesnt make good sense to steal someones cash or wallet because it becomes a criminal offense. What happens a lot more would be some form of scamming. Like being promised extras in VIP, not receiving them. Getting a dancer who mixes in lots of air dancing and posing instead of doing a lapdance.
Some clubs may not even have cameras in the club or in the vip rooms or lapdance areas. Also America generally speaking is fairly lax on stealing. Its not a big deal in most states, and probably hard to prove inside a strip club where they wont be recording or will be hesitant to hand over recordings to the police.
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6 months ago
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drewcareypnwnot the real drew carey, but I play him at strip clubs...
What is game exactly? It means different things to different people. In many cases, telling lies and exaggerations about yourself is regarded as game.
What are the rates for fs in pandoras?
discussion comment
6 months ago
Some dancers may use their real first name as the stage name. If its a common enough name, it really doesn’t matter.
25, what do you mean by paying bribes. Paying bribes to who?
discussion comment
6 months ago
A club, being the middleman, is always going to have extra charges and fees added on. Its just like hiring a personal trainer in the gym, vs hiring them directly outside the gym.
If a club wanted to get around this, they could do something like provide private rooms for $50 per hour, and not charge anything else to the customer and not take anything from the dancer. So the customer would just need to pay $50 for the room and whatever is negotiated with the dancer. At that point, since its only a $50 fee, most customers and dancers arent going to to bother trying to arrange something OTC just to save $50. Its just not worth the time and energy, and a hotel
Room will cost more as well.
But most clubs tend to be too greedy, and charge far more than $50 and keep a significant portion of the dancers earnings, which encourages dancers and customers to move things OTC.
discussion comment
6 months ago
There is no way that seeing a dancer’s ad on an escort site means youre a stalker- i doubt the dancer would interpret it that way either. Escort sites are publicly viewable listings you can search by city, state, zip code. Its not like a facebook or instagram profile where you would need to specifically search for someone using their screen name or personal information.
Additionally, her escort site display name may be different than her dancer name and her real name.
Finally, nobody should be stalking anyone in the first place. Instead of looking for ways to pretend not to be a stalker, or ways to hide being a stalker, just dont be a stalker.
But note that term gets thrown around too loosely by people online. Social media stalking refers to going through someones social media profiles. It wouldn’t include being on an escort site and coming across a listing of a dancer. Actual stalking would be something like looking up someones social media profile to find their whereabouts, then showing up to a shop they frequent, their workplace, their home, etc. or something like following someone home.
And once again, if you look up dancer profiles on instagram, and their profile states which club they work at, and you then see them at their club, its not stalking. People advertise all sorts of businesses and jobs on instagram. Is it stalking if you find a small cookie shop on instagram then visit them?
If you saw her ad on an escort site, you can just mention it to her. As others mentioned, if shes charging $400 in the club its likely because of all the club fees, and payouts to the managers djs bouncers etc - its a very corrupt and greedy business model to begin with- so you would actually be doing the right thing ethically by moving things outside the club and paying her directly.
Managers, djs and bouncers dont deserve to make extra money just because a dancer does extras Or because a dancer performs a lapdance. I don’t think its related to extras- there’s definitely clubs where dancers will pay out tips to bouncers, djs, managers, even if they didnt do extras. In some clubs, it basically becomes an unspoken rule in order to get good treatment from management. It’s actually bad for business overall- because managers will basically not fire dishonest or bad dancers as long as they keep paying them tips. The club owner likely wouldnt want managers being paid tips from the dancers. It just doesnt make good sense.
And the DJ tipping is supposedly so the DJ will put on songs the dancer prefers when she is on stage. Its not really something that should be required, and any competent DJ should be putting on appropriate music for all dancers.
discussion comment
7 months ago
Even at a non extras club theres things to look for out for. If mixing airdances in the lapdances, i doubt she would perform anything additional in OTC. If theyre playing with johnny outside the pants it can be a hint for OTC.
$1000 an hour isn’t reasonable anywhere
discussion comment
7 months ago
Atac, that story sounds insane. What happened to that customer? It’s unfortunate that club goers need to be mindful not just of a potential ex or angry boyfriend, but also jealous or angry customers. In one instance a regular of a dancer I was talking to was kind of glaring at me angrily.
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7 months ago
I dont agree with most of ilbaiclns post. Its not as uncommon as you describe for a dancer to genuinely like a PL. you got to remember looks are only part of the equation. If you went to college, there are numerous fat, ugly or out of shape guys hanging with and banging hot chicks. Even if they aren’t particularly rich. Its because of their status, being in a fraternity or otherwise just being popular.
Strip clubs can have higher status, and wealthier men attending them, and even if theyre old, a dancer could still be attracted.
As far as the phone number, some dancers will volunteer that on the very first time you see them. I believe for some dancers it’s actually part of their game to try to get you to become a regular. By giving you their number so quickly, the customer may feel special or may feel the dancer genuinely likes him.
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7 months ago
Some clubs post their dancer schedule on their website or instagram. Sometimes it doesnt have the full list of dancers. Also keep in mind dancers can just randomly show up even if they werent on schedule originally. In my limited experience, if its a brand new dancers first few shifts, she wont be listed on schedule either.
Unfortunately as some others mentioned some clubs will just say yes no matter which dancer you ask about.
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7 months ago
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Rick so youve never used your personal cell phone number in any of those things like charity events school drives etc?
There is another factor to consider, which is if someone works for one of the phone companies or knows someone who works at one. For example if you use tmobile, someone who works at tmobile could search your number on their database and then see your personal information you used to sign up. Things like your name and the address the statements are registered to
But it would still take some effort on the dancers part and a connection at a phone company willing to help
discussion comment
7 months ago
What kinds of things do they go to prison for. Is it even safe doing otc with an ex con then
discussion comment
7 months ago
To a random person on the internet, there isnt much sense in doing it, unless they’re planning to come to the club at some point or living near it. It’s possible the club could have a lot of dancers and it would be useful to know which to go for. At the same time, its hard to trust someone online and know their intentions.
If you know the person IRL, then the question becomes why doesn’t he already know which dancers at the local club are offering what. Is it because hes never been to the club? So then it becomes the same situation of trust.
I have had dancers who certainly did want me to tell my friends about them so they could get more business. Their name is just their club name so it doesn’t affect their reputation if someone knows their club name. They did do extras, but im not sure they would be considered significant. The extras they did included things like breast milk, touching the pussy, or playing with the D outside the pants. Its all stuff that I assume they were willing to do with any customer, since they were all excited for me to tell my friends about them and hopefully get them more business.
Now ignoring all that stuff, some peoples reason for not wanting to divulge this sort of information has nothing to do with the dancer’s privacy or their own privacy, but instead just purely because they dont want the dancer getting more business because they want her to remain as low volume as possible when it comes to OTC. I can understand that some or maybe many guys want the girls they bang to be exclusive to them, but that isnt reasonable or noble and in an industry like this it actually hurts the girl more than helps her.
The way I approach these things is if im not willing to be exclusive to a girl i see no reason why she should be exclusive to me. So i dont even bother asking a dancer or escort how many clients she has, how many guys shes fucking, so on so forth. And I definitely dont go out of my way to try to sabotage her earnings potential or not recommend her to someone when shes open to being recommended. No doubt a dancer or escort isnt going to want you to tell the whole world about what shes doing but im sure many would want you to tell your trusted friends about them to get them more business.
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7 months ago
As someone mentioned if youve done stuff in VIP its a simpler process.
If its your first time doing anything with that girl, then its going to be very tough to discuss any specifics regardless whether its in person or over text. There is a big trust concern on both sides suspecting the other of being an undercover cop, so nobody is going to want to openly discuss specific acts for money.
The biggest dealbreaker, IMO, is you need to figure out if she allows multiple nuts in the same appointment and if she has any kind of no orgasm rule for herself. Some escorts and dancers (probably more often ones with a SO), consider an orgasm on their end to be cheating. Its very relevant to both dancing and OTC because it means they wont allow fingering, likely wont allow too much nipple play, likely wont allow multiple nuts in one appointment, and will likely not allow you to keep banging her for too long even if you havent nutted once! In a lapdance, it means shes going to take extensive effort to not grind too much on you. So if youre thinking a grind lapdance is included in a lapdance, it may not be.
A reddit post from a supposed extras dancer stated she doesnt want people playing with her nipples because she can reach orgasm from that and she thinks that crosses a line with work and her personal life. I personally think she wasnt telling the full truth because there are other dancers or escorts who have said they dont allow the same thing for the same reason they dont allow fingering, and that its because they dont want to get off with their clients, usually because of a SO in the picture.
It’s very easy to tell if a dancer or escort falls into that category because they for example will stick to more airdance type of dances, or in an escorts case they won’t allow the use of any toys or fingering or multiple rounds for the guy, won’t want their pussy touched at all other than with a condom, wont want their nipples played with often as well.
I would add that its not something a dancer or an escort is going to admit to openly if a client asks them. Reason being, its a dead giveaway that they have a SO and its going to drive clients away from them. You would instead have to look at what their restrictions are, and judging from that, youll be able to figure out whats going on. For instance some escorts or dancers will say no to fingering and claim it’s because of disease and bacterial concerns. That could be the real reason or it could be the false reason.
What you can do is ask about playing with their pussy without actually fingering it. Or using sex toys, or even brand new unopened sex toys. If they arent open to those things either, then it likely was never about bacterial concerns to begin with, rather just an SO or pimp related restriction.
Some guys actually stick to only the pornstar escorts or very high end $600+ an hour escorts for this reason because theyre less likely to be pimped. They may have an SO, but their SO is likely okay with them getting off during appointments especially for pornstars who are already doing it on set.
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7 months ago
Are there white pawgs there, or european/middle eastern girls?
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7 months ago
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For an STI to be received via oral sex, does it have to come from an open sore or pustule in the mouth of the person providing the oral? So in that case is it worth using your phone’s flashlight to examine their mouth and gums before receiving oral. Is that something you guys do
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7 months ago
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How does the people watching work? Are the people watchers also being people watched by other watchers? My aunt and uncle liked to people watch at the mall, but it consisted of making comments about every person they saw, or making fun of them or assuming things about them. I found it to be a toxic thing, basically gossiping about every person you lay your eyes on… i know for a fact they would not want people staring at them or making comments about them.
As far as civvie dating, from what ive seen and experienced money and status will take you way further than looks or muscles. For most guys ive seen, theyre still paying rent and everything for their girlfriend, so they’re still indirectly paying for sex, but with the added headaches of not having freedom
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7 months ago
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^the finances seem to be everything these days… good looks help with getting a hookup but people are more materialistic than ever nowadays… for any kind of relationship they will want that guy making some money…. Even the strippers and escorts might have the stereotypical loser or handsome boyfriend.. but they’re getting the money from other men
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7 months ago
^some people need to bust that nut no matter what friend
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7 months ago
I normally wouldnt pay for porn and i dont have whatever tools are needed for the VR stuff. You can still watch the VR stuff but the angles and everything looks off.
I did get onlyfans of a few well known pornhub stars for a month. It was stars who didnt show their face on regular porn sites. To me it was worth the $5 or $10 bucks to get to see their face. Although one of them was a scam and still didnt show her face… one showed most of it but would wear a mask around the eyes… another wanted extra payment beyond the monthly fee, for her to send a video showing her face. If its a famous onlyfans star, their videos and pictures often get leaked on the free sites as well.
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8 months ago
How hot is she? $500 for 1.5 hours can be a good deal… some escorts are asking $500 an hour. Brazilians and other latin women usually charge less than the American citizens or European women.
Hopefully theres no crazy bf involved? I knew a super hot Brazilian dancer, but another dancer told me she was supposedly dancing secretly from her boyfriend.