STI communicability re BJ's
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Where can you find real honest info/studies regarding how communicable different sexually transmitted infections are during oral sex? With and/or without protections?
The health sites say things like 20% chance of catching something and the monger sites say no way, never going to happen. Is there any real world data available about this? There is a lot of distance between a 1/5 chance and a 1/100,000 chance.
The health sites say things like 20% chance of catching something and the monger sites say no way, never going to happen. Is there any real world data available about this? There is a lot of distance between a 1/5 chance and a 1/100,000 chance.
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The only sites I've seen that give percentages are places like the online STD testing services, and they're doing it because they want more customers.
But I'd agree that you also don't want to go by anything you read here (or other sites like this), because the vast majority of guys here view STD risks through glasses that range from rose-colored to opaque.
So, if you have a lower tolerance for risk, then wear a condom. If you less risk adverse, then don't. But really, the moment you start having sex with sex workers, then there is risk no matter what.
When people online claim you can just take antibiotics afterwards and be fine are only somewhat correct (more on viruses later) - infections can be persistent, needing multiple 10-14 day (and occasionally longer) courses, depending on what you find yourself at the ED or urgent care with (we'll just assume you want to avoid your family physician on this one). You'll need to get STI testing afterwards, regardless, because you don't want an asymptomatic infection to spread over time. And this is assuming you aren't especially unlucky and contract an antibiotic-resistant strain (not common, but still possible, especially if visiting sex workers), in which case you'll likely be referred to a urologist and won't enjoy the heavy hitters he puts you on.
There isn't much you can do about viruses after the fact. Do you really want lesions on your pecker (or worse, on your prostate or in your bladder) the rest of your life, over a BJ? You especially don't want to catch any form of hepatitis, which isn't uncommon among sex workers, especially escorts and porn actresses. And, this doesn't even take into account any number of circulating viruses that aren't generally considered 'STIs,' some of which can give you life-long inflammation in your urological organs.
In short, the 'monger' sites you mentioned are generally full of people that don't know anything about medicine, infectious disease, and frankly may be more prone to risk-taking behaviors than the general population. Of course they'll tell you there's nothing to worry about!
Even with a condom, there's still a (albeit smaller) risk of an STI-causing microbe passing through the barrier, into your urethra. Say, Syphilis, chlamydia, and, most common, unknown (your doctor will just throw a broad spectrum antibiotic at it and hope it works, while internally chuckling or as commonly being annoyed he or she didn't leave you behind during residency training). Testing often doesn't even catch the particular microbe(s) - plural because, yes, carrying multiple infections isn't uncommon either. Your swollen balls and urethra will be plenty confirmation.
In short, despite the braindead logic some with no medical education prefer to cite online that sex workers are safer to engage in sex with because they get tested more often (not necessarily true, especially in the US), take what you knew to be true in middle and high school and extend it out by a decade or more - if someone is sleeping with dozens or hundreds of men in a period of months (and, yes, BJs count), do you really think that person is less likely to pass something on to you than a person in the general population?
The answer is no.
I’ve been preaching this for almost a decade on here. How do you think Rick Dugan has gotten all this pussy and his dick hasn’t fallen off yet?
That’s truly selfish and irresponsible.
You’re a boring antagonistic dope without enough sense to stop while you are behind.
People do not seem to understand that different STIs have different communicability characteristics. It's not a case of "if she has it, you will get it" with everything. A well known study for HSV2, for example, studied partners living together who had unprotected sex where one partner had HSV2. As long as the infected partner did not have outbreaks, the transmission rate from women to men in a given YEAR was 4%. So, you have unprotected sex with a female who has HSV2, and if she does not have an outbreak, you could have sex with her presumably at least weekly and only have a 4% chance of acquiring it in a year. I take that with a grain of salt and assume it's higher, but it gives some idea. You can still get HSV2 with a condom, but using one reduces chances by about 60%. This is the kind of information I like to be armed with. Know other STIs and their risk characteristics. Wearing a condom is all but guaranteed to protected against HIV, for example. You will not get HIV from kissing, for example. One case in history has been reported. So, know your STIs.
You run the risk of STIs having protected sex with ANYone, so, the question is always, what is your risk tolerance?
As for: "If you had a 1/100,000 chance of losing in a game of Russian roulette would you play?"
Depends on the payoff. You have about a 1 in 100000 chance of dying while scuba diving. Would you let that stop you? You have a non-zero chance of dying in a car crash, and flying, or any other number of activities. So, if the payoff was $5 million for a 1 in 100K chance, hell yes I'm playing. People think they are safe and protected, but freak accidents happen to people who are risk averse, and life is uncertain and not fully in your control. Most people work 20+ years to earn $5M. You'll work yourself to death much faster in 20 years earning that money. So yeah, I'm betting 1 in 100K to save myself a decade of labor.
@drewcareypnw has it right. STI info seeking from a strip club board is a bit funny. Hey, I got a case of the drips from a stripper who looked like Pamela Anderson in her playboy centerfield days. Worth it down to the last drop! J/k
^ You can take "sex workers" out of that statement and it's still correct. Your chances of contracting some sort of STI drastically increase the second you start engaging in sexual activity with anyone. It's much higher when engaging in those activities with someone who does it with a large number of partners. It can be reduced materially by using safer sex practices, which include the use of things like condoms and dental dams.
Exactly how much you increase or decrease your odds depends on a large number of factors that are hard to identify and harder to control for, so reliable specific data on the subject is questionable at best.
You need to be an adult, accept that reliable data on exact odds aren't out there and make a choice for yourself based on the available information. As 25 noted, I would encourage you to consider health and well being of not just yourself but your SO or anyone else your fucking and let them make decisions on their sexual own health.
Anecdotally, I've received quite a few uncovered BJ's from random civi's and sex workers alike and never had an issue. Do I recommend it? Probably not. Will I do it again, almost certainly. Am I realistic about the risks with myself, you betcha.
The OP never asked any of us for our opinions or half-assed direct experience anecdotes. He asked if any of us knew of an external third-party site where he could find verified studies and perform his own research.
Here are some suggestions:
https://www.cdc.gov/
https://www.nih.gov/
My endorsement: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/
I’d call you a fucking idiot, but that would be an insult to fucking idiots everywhere.
Can you folks lay off the double shot espressos or something? I mean seriously, I get to say shit like “Imma go all wildebeest on your ass” ‘cause I’m a frickin’ lion.
Plus, y’all know that I’m in such an alcoholic fog all the time that I’ll forget about any grievances before I find you. I mean really, how am I gonna drive if I don’t keep my blood alcohol level high enough?
Anyhoo, Skifredo is just being an asshole. But that’s typical. But Mate and 25…y’all are mostly good ape. Just relax.
Back to the topic at hand. I don’t worry ‘bout most of your damn dirt ape diseases because of my superior lion immune system. ROAR!!!
Oh well, Imma drink some drivin’ whiskey and find a sexy female hairless ape. TTFN!
That is also why I only endorsed PubMed, it is a connection to independent (and sponsored) research parties which the reader can examine for themselves.
Case reports are most concerning for syphilis... which is increasingly common in the US for the past few years.
HSV2 is transmitted
Otherwise it's low for other std
Recommend- get a prescription for doxycycline if you can take it. It's been approved for MSM post exposure prophylactic. Common sense says it should work regardless of where the exposure came from.
My personal theory is that Valtrex could be taken prophylactic as well..... just no official recommendation yet from experts
As for specialj and his Russian roulette comment, life without some risk is not worth living. Dumbass.
Then there is comments about keeping other partners safe, note that I didn’t specify BJ only, my partner usually joins me so she is well aware of any activities. Btw, when you talk about other partners that need to be warned, do you warn your Saturday sex worker about the one you had Friday?
Depends.
Are you married to and raising a family with your Saturday sex worker? And is your Saturday sex worker under the impression that you're in a faithful monogamous relationship with her?
Because those are the factors that turns any comparison between a wife/life partner and sex worker into an apple vs. orange comparison.
I think a good start would be to try and get statistics for the porn industry. There must be rules, regulations, frequency of testing and reporting requirements in California for porn workers.
I recall a porn worker (possibly Lexington Steele) had contracted an STD and didn't have it treated or reported and passed it on. He was immediately out of work in the porn industry. He was blacklisted (no pun intended).
And porn workers no doubt have sex outside of "work" so there is the real possibility of contracting an STD there and passing it on while at "work."
The porn industry is concerned about an "outbreak" which may cause the authorities to take action, so they probably keep careful records.
Personally, I don't enjoy cbj and even though there is minimal risk for STD's via oral sex, I would suggest using discretion when choosing someone to engage with
That said, on the whole, I trust working girls more than bar sluts. The former know what they are. The latter aren't calculating, aren't professionals. They make more dumb decisions.
How did my dick get in the middle of this? 😆
I'll have you know that Ricky Jr. is just fine tyvm. 😉