It seems to me that in the 80s and 90s I was seeing much prettier girls with more personality than I do now. Does anybody make this observation?
Could it be that the breastaurants are siphoning off the talent?
The clubs offer more bodily contact than they did in the old days. Could it be that the more attractive girls are repelled by this and seek other employment?
early 2000s
The concept of "body poitivity" has badly affected girl watching at all levels, whether it be pastime, habit, or hobby. In the 80's I don't recall many girls 75 or 100 lbs overweight wearing midriff shirts and belly button jewelry to accentuate their morbid obesity. But take a look around these days, it's everywhere.
Heh I recently was talking to a recent ukrainian arrival here and he says he hasn't seen a single attractive woman at any of tbe portland strip clubs he'd patronized. I think that's about right. Last I'd worked in any of them I wasn't impressed by anyone lol.
also got to blame sites like Instagram and 'only fans' for siphoning off the real hotties for easy money to guys that just are satisfied with photos and video.
Considering nobody had an ass in the '70s and '80s there's no way the quality hasn't increased.
I think it depends on which clubs you go to, at least here in South Florida it does, the better clubs have more fit pretty women, what I’ve noticed is the divier places get a lot of chubby girls, I’ve also noticed the youngest girls seem to be pretty chunky. I don’t remember so many fat girls back in the 80s & 90s.
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I’m an ass-man myself - but I prefer my 70’s high school classmates over most dancers today with bad boob jobs, blue hair, sleeve tattoos, nose rings, tongue studs and paunchy guts.
Give me a girl who appreciates dancing to Head East instead of Post Malone
I was talking to a guy whose son had recently moved to a high rise in Miami. It was some in some hot spot trendy area like Las Olas or something. His son said it was like fucking Paradise with all the hotties in the area and that building. He said every female resident t he spoke to on the elevator in the lobby, around the pool, ask have their professions OnlyFans model. At recent resident mixer, he was speaking to some other guys, and the all had found the same thing. Virtually every girl in the area and that building was an OnlyFans model.
I believe him, and that is where the hottest talent has gone. Work from home, no contact, no catty co-workers or bodily fluids, less chance of someone from the neighborhood. I just had no idea there was that much money in it. His son works in construction sales, making between $70-$80 now, and into six figures once he builds his client book. Not a section 8 ghetto or low rent neighborhood.
Clubs in the 80s, 90s, and I'd say even 2000s before the recession, absolutely had higher standards for their dancers. This is generally speaking, of course - there are still some top tier clubs with high standards. But back in the day, the dancers really had to look like showgirls, have few or no visible tattoos, always have their hair and nails done, be fit, etc.
There are many factors, but I do think the recession had a huge and negative impact in dancer quality. Clubs were struggling because the economy was struggling, girls became more desperate (extras became more rampant), and more "average" looking girls turned to stripping to make money. Are the clubs going to be super picky at that point, when girls are literally paying THEM to work there?
The payment issues (house fee / tipout) are another thing that lowered the standards. In the 80s and 90s, the clubs paid an hourly wage to the dancers (at my mom's main club she got $17/hr plus whatever tips she took home... another older dancer I worked with worked at a smaller club back in the day and told me she got $14/hr).
So, if the club is employing you and putting you on a payroll, naturally they are going to be more selective. Now that it's the opposite, where girls pay the clubs, talent has dropped.
Those are just some reasons, but there are plenty more. Also, Americans just keep getting fatter in general. So basically today, any "average" girl can be a stripper at a decent club, whereas a few decades ago, you basically had to look like you could be in Playboy.
Wow, stripper economics! Who’d a thunk?
@Nina I don’t remember a lot of fat young people in general before the internet and since the pandemic it seems like these kids don’t really do anything that doesn’t include a screen. I happen to agree with you that standards have become pathetic. I attribute the lack of standards to the generation of people raised to believe they were entitled to a participation trophy, and now it appears that participation, if it requires any effort on their part, is nonexistent.
"It seems to me that in the 80s and 90s I was seeing much prettier girls....."
That's 30 to 40 years ago. Of course, we were all much younger then. It's possible that as we age, our "taste" in women changes. So 30 to 40 years ago the younger men may have thought the girls were pretty while the older men back then may have wished the girls looked like the girls from 30 to 40 years earlier.
I think there are a several factors in play here. The first few deal with our perspectives.
I recently looked though an old high school yearbook. And the pretty, early 80s girls looked as pretty as ever to me, even though hairstyles and fashion have certainly changed. But when I look at a yearbook from a decade before, I wonder why the cheerleaders and homecoming court looked so unattractive. I think memories of our younger days color our perceptions.
I think we also remember the good stuff and forget the bad. This keeps us (moderately) sane and (somewhat) productive. I have some fond memories of past club trips where all the girls were hot. I also know that those trips were not that common, just like now. But I have forgotten the details of those subpar visits. Another thing to cloud our memories.
Easy access to porn also colors our perception. I've been going to clubs for 30 years and back then, porn viewing involved a trip to a video store. Now I can see whatever type of hot chick I like in the moment from my phone. This competition between 1000s of porn chicks and the few dancing at my local club right now unfairly clouds my perception. How can five average-strippers compete against porn pros?
Lastly, preferred styles of hair, makeup, clothes and body type do change over time. Like a pendulum they swing from one extreme to another. Thick is in now (and I am learning to appreciate it more) but some dancers are pushing the extreme into the obese area. After all, more people are more fat now. Including myself. I do hope the pendulum starts to swing back soon.
"Give me a girl who appreciates dancing to Head East instead of Post Malone"
Motorhead, Have actually ever seen a stripper dance to Head East? And if so was she "Flat as a Pancake"?
What do you mean by vip was ground zero?
Regarding the onlyfans models, some of them will still offer p4p. $500, or $1000 for an hour is still major money to them as even the big OF models will be charging $10 or $15 for a months VIP. I know one escort who charges $500 an hour, but she only has a small number of subscribers. I cant remember if it was in the hundreds or thousands.
I dont think the sedentary behavior has anything to do with the widespread fatness. If your metabolism and diet is good you can sit around all day and still be lean. The super fat people you see nowadays are a result of chemicals in the food/water supply, and/or too many pharma drugs or vaccines.
Just antibiotics and antidepressants alone, will cause fat gain without actually eating any additional calories. Theres other substances that can cause fat loss without eating less calories. Things like caffeine, maybe small dosages of b vitamins, thyroid hormone, anabolic drugs, etc.
The clubs in a lot of the country are less full than they used to be. That should equate to lesser talent. I still find enough to suit me.
Your eyesight was just better back then. They still cute you just can’t see.
I agree with Steve3000’s comments about perception. I grew up jerking off to the perfect women of Playboy, and when I first started going to strip clubs in the early 80s, most of the women looked like they stepped out of the pages of Playboy. That cemented my strip club addiction as it fed my fantasy of these perfect women, airbrushed enhancements and all. I remember when Hustler and other harder core mags came out, and I just wasn’t a big fan, they didn’t measure up to the perfection of Playboy and Penthouse.
So what I mostly see in clubs now is compared in my mind against those perceptions of perfect women, and the reality is that only a very few current dancers match up, at least in my perception. I also blame the whole Kardashian enhanced fat ass trend of the last decade. Not a fan. Give me a perfectly shaped college coed ass with a nice rack, perfectly curled thick hair, beautiful face and smile, little ink, no metal, a cute landing strip, and a fun flirty personality, and she will get my money.
^ I am a fan of the 1970's Playmates, probably because seeing them as a adolescent back then was very sporadic. My dad had a collection of Playboy calendars somewhat hidden in his basement workshop, but that was only 12 photos a year. Seeing a magazine was a rare treat.
In the past, I could always find a few sexy girls to suit me on any given visit. Now, it's a game of averages where I hope to find 1-2 suitable hotties over a period of a few visits. This is not a positive trend.
Ya I hardly saw impressive ladies the last few times I danced. I actually don't expect nor demand perfection and have lowered my standards in what I find a hot chick as I myself have gained some weight over the years. Even so these chicks hardly impress me in Oregon. A lot of them are skinny and totally shapeless or skinny fat. Then there are the totally obese chicks that call themselves "thick" lol. Occasionally I'll see someone whose looks are put together, but I think I am finding it less and less common as the years go by. I've also said it before but western euro female faces are mostly unattractive to me sorry lol.
One thing, we do tend to have rose colored glasses while looking back. I'm not saying any y'all are wrong but there we should understand there is nostalgia bias, in everything, not just strip clubs.
Gen Z is also a smaller generation then those before it. Maybe not as many strippers coming out of there. Could be a factor.
Depends what your into to. Demographic change is real. For example if your into black or white girls in Los Angeles, it might be a little more difficult to find what your looking for then say 20 years ago. A lot of places are changing. For better or worse again depends on your tastes.
In Atlanta definitely although it’s still possible to find what I like. I know there are some of us looking for younger, white, spinners and there are fewer of them dancing. In Atlanta one thing I think had an affect was permits plus they closed clubs in some of the more suburban locations due to government problems.
I think the permits discouraged girls from giving it a shot or coming and going. Some wouldn’t have liked it and moved on but some would have stuck around. There are still some good ones though.
Little to add but that it must be a combination of all the factors mentioned -- demographics change both of performers and clientele, our own subjective past perception; the move of performers towards OF and similar venues; changes in local sociopolitical acceptability ("this suburb is redeveloping, can't have a titty bar between the megachurch and Whole Foods"); the '08 crash and the consequent changing economic model as the businesses sought to make up the loss (and then 2020 came...), etc.
Under the inane idea of "thick" women (men too for different reasons) have become morbidly obese. Dress sizes feed into the insanity. People still think Marilyn Monroe was hot and she was. She was also a size 14. The flip side is that if women are not fat they are usually stock figure drawings. The worst part is seeing a size 20 in an outfit designed for a 10 and pretending you don't see a large kielbasa asking you for a dance. Also add in the fact that younger people don't really socialize face to face and are as sexual as a week old banana.
^ True. There’s something wrong with young men these days. I know a few attractive, together young women who would have been constantly hit on and asked out 30 years ago who are terminally single. Is it low testosterone or the ill effects of social media, Tinder, porn, whatever? Something is really wrong. When I was in my 20s all me and my buddies thought about was getting laid - quantity and quality. Not now.
In the late '50s, the government attempted to classify the woman's body yet again. By this scale, a star like Marilyn Monroe—with a 35-inch bust and 22-inch waist, might have worn clothing marked as a size 12 or larger at the time. But based off her bust size in modern times, she'd be about a size 6 or less now
Definitely the customer base has changed. In the 80s and 90s, it would have been very predominantly Boomers, and some Gen X. Gen X seems to generally have more in common with Boomers than Millenials. Later generations are less white. Not to stereotype, but probably a good thing for strippers who "got azz".
In the times of low contact, I think dancers made less money per PL. Given typical Boomer preferences, dancing was probably the most lucrative for dancers like PSD, who were glamorous as well as beautiful. PSD is probably glamorous right when she jumps out of bed in the morning. But, for most women, if requires a lot of effort, accepting restricted options in expressing one's self in one's appearance, and perhaps scary amounts of plastic surgery. And, truth to be told, it's much easier to be perceived as glamorous if you are white.
In general, and in most ways, we probably know the real personalities of the strippers who post on TUSCL, more than we do the ones we get dances from. When I read blah's, PSD's, nicespice's, Nina's, BY's posts, I see people who get it that it's boring af if you don't speak from your own thoughts (implying you have some) and experiences. Rather than being a human parrot. My definition of good personality.
Imo nonwhite chicks aren't less glamorous? It is really all about how a girl dresses, talks, and carries herself. Also I think attractiveness helps with being "glamorous".
Yeah I do see girls wearing completely the wrong sizes and I'm like why?? Sure a lot of us buy stuff online but if it is that unflattering don't even leave the dressing room in that shit. Turn around and sell or give it away lol. This is just common sense.
I think a lot of chicks stay single cuz they aren't trying to fuck for free or be in fake relationships where a guy has literally nothing or little more to offer besides sex which we monetize or at least the idea of it. Like why the fuck do I wanna look cute for some dude for free that's just a dbag trying to tell any lie in the world or get me high/drunk to fuck like nah lol. Here's also another reason to get fkd up alone or around friends. Not too long ago I tried Tinder and multiple guys wanted me to try Vegan food??? Like bro please the fuck is that?? Give me smoked Brisket then leave
I can't wait to dip outta this region when I'm done with college... I'd really only stay if presented with an opportunity I really would be dumb to refuse.
It also isn't even fun to dance in these overwhelmingly white places like Oregon
Lots of good posts in this thread. I think the nostalgia bias @muddy mentioned is most salient. As I'm recalling my experiences with strip clubs in the 90s (too young for the 80s), I'm thinking about times when I was in my early twenties, so it's really hard to compare to what I see today, because I was so different. Mostly I just couldn't afford to be at the club back then, so strippers were these inaccessible goddesses to me.
I also want to weigh in on this treacherous question of glamor and race. Just to note to @blahblah that what @ilbbaicnl said was that it's "EASIER to be PERCEIVED as glamorous if you are white" (which I agree with), which is different that how you formulated it, "nonwhite chicks aren't less glamorous" (which I also agree with). I think both yous are right about this.
I do really like the new thicc style. In some cases the very fat women can still look very good. I dont mean morbidly obese 400 pounds, but maybe 30- 40% bodyfat. Keep in mind women carry the weight better so a 40% bodyfat guy would appear a lot fatter
at the general current club state overall the average amount of visits per week for a strip club goer is probably one. now if you take about half of the girls back from the 80/90's and time warp them to the present and they're working at the clubs you go to with the higher available club mileage i would say that number of club visits could easily go from one all the way up to 3.
Isn't it just the girls were hotter when the mileage was lower?
I do know that the amount of booze does affect attractiveness sometimes. they don't call it beer goggles for nothing.
For someone such as myself, with a fetish for spinners, and a love of a firm ass and small firm boobs, the decline in dancer quality has been horrifying. The positive side is I now drink much less and spend far less money. I was thinking of going today, since I had the afternoon off, but watched a couple of movies instead. If i wouldn't want them for free, why spend a cent?
I do wonder how much of it ends up regional. We have plenty of spinners, but they normally are latina or Asian and often have multiple tattoos.
My tastes are varied enough that I can usually find a dancer that's considered hot in her particular category. And that's fun for me.
That doesn't mean I always find someone I'm willing to take to a room, but I'm also not ruminating over how the grass was greener in the '80s.
In the 80s and 90s I went much less often, tipping the stage, maybe a (no touching) table dance. Knew nothing of lap dances, close up. Seems to me there were attractive girls then, and attractive girls now, albeit with lots more tattoos.
I wouldn’t want someone skinny. I would be fine with the fit chicks who have the muscular leaner physiques like jennifer selter or misslexa. I would be fine with thicc, and even fat, and very fat. 200 pounds at 5’0 tall, maybe up to 300 if 6 feet tall.
Amazing to me that people think "settling for less" is preferable to not going. I guess desperation is the great equalizer. Probably why God made relationships in addition to paid sex.
^some people need to bust that nut no matter what friend
the desperation is real out there. going off tangent a bit but i've seen quite a few reviews of amps that go like this:
location: tel: age: 50's ethnicity: asian, white, or latin cost: 80-150 description: looks good for her age. some parts sag.
that's fuckng insane!!!!
From my POV dancer quality is way down since the early 2000 when i basically started being a semi regular at strip clubs. Doubtless there are many factors but I think a big factor is the rise of fentanyl and other opioids becoming mainstream as opposed to being confined to street junkies and outliers.
Not all but many strippers have used drugs over the years but the stuff available now is more dangerous and destructive which leads to the ones that survive having less care and interest in maintaining their looks, weight, hygiene, etc.
Once again, just my POV based off of my observations and experiences interacting with these women.