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3 months ago
Also what about people who use escorts just to talk to them, or just for lapdances? Youre saying these people would be able to get arrested just for admitting to seeing an escort?
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3 months ago
Majorboobage how is escorting not legal, if thats the case how come escort websites can openly advertise escort listings? Whereas there are no websites openly selling drugs or steroids or other illegal things.
Youre misphrasing my point. I never stated I would contact the police and claim an escort scammed me because i didn’t receive a sex act.
I specifically mentioned an escort who I paid for an hour but wanted me to leave after 30 minutes. Its shorting on time. I paid for an hour, got 30 minutes. Just like a massage or anything else.
As far as solicitation, then what is the crime if a woman offers sexual services for money? I thought either case is solicitation. It definitely is still illegal to offer sex services for money.
If both escorts and johns are afraid of getting the police involved, that means if an escort does scam, you can beat them up or rob them and likely get away with it? Are their pimps too afraid to confront johns in person, since pimping is a felony?
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3 months ago
Majorboobage i know you cant do anything legally speaking with an escort who doesn’t provide sexual services. But im referring to specifically being shorted on time. Escorts are paid by time they have to spend with you, just like youd pay a therapist or massage person based on time. If they say $450 per hour and want you to leave after 30 minutes, and refuse to refund you, isnt that theft? Because of the shorting on time. Which is the entire reason why escorting is legal while prostitution isnt.
Also what about the fact that the escort had a pimp, and also claimed to be working for a company? Pimping/pandering and money laundering are felonies. If you report a felony like that to the cops, will they still try coming after you or the escort for misdemeanor soliciting charges?
Lastly can you be arrested for soliciting, just for seeing an escort and paying her $400+ up front for an hour of time? I thought they need something more specific like a specific discussion and intent of exchanging money for sexual services? In that case if the escort is the one taking your money up front for the hour, then after the fact starts telling you if you want full service you need to pay another $200, doesnt that count as soliciting on her end
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3 months ago
$500 lasts for 3 weeks in colombia? That is insanely cheap. Is it safe to travel and visit colombia though?
Yeah the brothel girls in nevada dont seem to be worth paying for.
But what you mentioned regarding germany seems like a good deal as well. There must be a lot of fools willing to pay these $500 rates for low quality women, for them all to be asking for that rate. Some of those women, many guys wouldn’t even do anything with for free yet still command $500 an hour. Escorting has only become more popular and accepted over time, so prices shouldn’t be so high. Also the famous pornstars and onlyfans girls with hundreds of thousands or even millions of followers, are still charging $1000 or $1200 an hour. That tells you an average no name girl has no business charging $500 an hour unless she is exceptional or providing some sort of extra services other girls wont provide.
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4 months ago
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Your normal ITC activity is a condom HJ and lapdance? Wow, that is something probably almost any dancer or escort would be willing to do. That level of service is worth no more than $200.
$350-$500 an hour is the standard rate for full service. Which includes not just CFS but also a CBJ and even BBBJ most of the time, and DATY and kissing as long as the girl isnt pimped out by a boyfriend. Whats the point of a CBJ or CHJ? It basically is the same as doing it yourself
The $700+ price point is actually what renowned famous women charge for an hour of full service. Olivia fox/tayler mercier, a former playboy model over in houston, charges $700 an hour. She also has incredible reviews online. The $700 an hour includes standard CFS, and BBBJ and DATY and kissing and she even allows fingering. Its all stuff your trashy, scamming, pimped out stripper or escort would never do. For those girls, fingering or DATY or kissing is considered cheating.
Brazzers pornstars charge $1000+ an hour. Spencer scott, jenna starr, julianna vega, numerous other brazzers stars do escorting and charge $1000 to $1200 an hour. Any regular stripper from a club asking for more than $500 an hour for full service is delusional and a scammer of some kind.
If you just want a HJ and petting that is standard massage girl stuff the online massage girls offer. And its $200 or $300 an hour.
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5 months ago
Motorhead i am just wondering do you think wearing glasses; poor eyesight is a defect caused by inbreeding?
It is definitely a weakness of some kind since some people naturally have perfect vision. The causes include nutritional deficiencies, poor genetics which basically just means poor nutrition or poor environment somewhere along the family lineage..: chemical exposure… inbreeding can probably affect the genes negatively too.
As far as the older women getting orgasms and younger women being inexperienced, one thing to keep in mind is many of these escorts and strippers with boyfriends or pimps have a no cumming rule so will go out of their way to try not to cum with clients. They wont let you finger or rub the pussy or eat the pussy or suck the nips too much- so the only way to get them off is if you last long - that’s assuming she doesnt end the sex itself too if youre lasting too long there
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5 months ago
I don’t think porn marketers used milf to mean larger boobs. But i think at least 10 years ago, milf in porn would mean a hot older woman. The literal meaning does include mother, and it is used for younger mothers nowadays too, but the porn term was usually for 40+ women. Just like how GILF porn is like 60+ women with white hair even though technically a 38 year old woman could be a GILF.
I don’t have any specific fantasy or attraction to someone being a mom, on the contrary I would usually not want to get with a mom for relationship purposes. But i did always like older women , because i liked fatter women and in the past, an older woman would more often be fatter. The milfs i do like still look good for their age, the facial features still matter. Its mostly that i dont mind an older looking face and a fatter body.
Of course with surgeries now there are 40+ and even 50+ women who look amazing.
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5 months ago
So for me personally, i dont even bother with american girls unless its dances at the strip club (where i will assume its a dance only, and any extras if available would be pathetic or a scam attempt). At this point, I stick to pornstars, eastern europeans, brazilians, cubans, arabians, etc.
instead of paying $500 an hour twice and getting ripped off, its better to just spend a few hundred to go to vegas or California or New York, and $1000 to see one of the numerous onlyfans girls or pornstars in those areas.
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5 months ago
With pornstars, you can actually get BBFS if you can provide recent test results.
In my experience there is a problem with how american girls are raised. The best experiences i have had with strippers or escorts has been foreign raised women like cubans, brazilians, turkish, middle eastern, eastern european. The key factor is they were raised in those other countries and came to the US later.
If they came to the US at a young age or were born and raised here, no matter what ethnicity, they are more likely to have ridiculous demands whether in a relationship or for escorting or stripping.
The other thing is american culture also includes hip hop culture, gang culture, and open relationship culture all of which are twisted. Many of these other countries arent as open to pimping or open relationships as the US.
So if youre seeing a cuban girl otc, IMO shes more likely to be single, or not single but cheating on her SO, than be in an open relationship or pimp situation. Since the situation in itself is cheating, she wont care if you make her cum unlike a pimped girl who considers kissing or cumming specifically to be cheating.
The nice thing about pornstars and some onlyfans girls is they regularly have bareback sex with multiple different partners. So even if they have a boyfriend or husband, its a different situation than a possessive pimp or boyfriend who doesnt want her cumming with clients, where the clients arent allowed to play with her pussy or daty or play with her boobs.
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5 months ago
The thing with BBFS is that it ironically is only safe with providers who dont offer it. If a provider offers it herself in the first meeting, it’s definitely risky and she offers it to others. The key is to find a provider you can trust, and maybe by the third visit you can do BBFS if you both trust each other. But i mean being fully honest about anyone else youre barebacking. If shes doing bbfs with other clients its not safe. For me to do bbfs with a provider, i would only do it if I had to convince her to do it over time.
Now BBBJ is something i would expect from a high end escort, an added bonus is if they swallow but that isnt as common.
I had a similar scare where i brushed my teeth really good, and two hours later, did DATY on someone for 30 minutes straight. The next day, I had a flight back home and people sitting next to me were coughing and sneezing. The day after, i had a severe cough that lasted maybe 1 week or 10 days, and constantly had the taste of blood and her pussy juices in my mouth. Im not sure if i got something from her or from the people on the plane. Some providers really want DATY if they dont have someone else doing it.
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5 months ago
What about women who live in Vegas but tour other states either as escorts or strippers? Are they likely to be scammers and ripoffs too?
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5 months ago
Do they actually grind their pussy across your body? How does that work when you turn over, as far as genital to genital contact? Do they actually slide their bare genitals across your bare genitals as well. There wouldnt be penetration, but still some STD risk I would think due to the fluids potentially coming into contact?
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5 months ago
What was your mongering experience there like georgi?
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5 months ago
Ive only been to the renaissance there for hotels.
For casinos, i dont know about gambling. We went to different casinos because of the sight seeing and just seeing the hotel itself. Bellagio, caesars palace, mandalay bay, luxor…
We also probably didnt go to the best restaurants. People were crazy over in n out burger then, because its a west coast only chain I believe
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5 months ago
Ill also add that switzerland i assume has some good options and good rates thanks to legality.
Also turkey, you can get the hottest girls for around $200 an hour, many will do $200 for two hours there. Some of the russian/ukrainian ones there may have russian gangs pimping them, but otherwise the arab or turkish girls there seem to often be true independents. Unlike the us, they are open to kissing, and usually DATY and BBBJ is included. Turkey is still overall a conservative country, so open relationships and pimp relationships arent as widely accepted like they are in the US. So you dont have to worry as much about pimp rules like kissing or daty not being allowed
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5 months ago
Theres a stereotype of the russian escorts in turkey having a lot of stds, What started that stereotype?
And thats true, supposedly switzerland has a lot of russian/ukrainian immigrant hoes
It seems like they will provide better service too though, more likely to kiss and offer GFE. Maybe less likely to have boyfriends or be pimped out. But in turkey supposedly theres russian gangsters pimping them
The airport in switzerland had some of the hottest chicks ive seen anywhere. Some nice civilians too, but some of the store workers there had faces unlike anything id seen in person in the US. Even on linkedin i somehow started getting a bunch of suggested people in Switzerland, and the faces of these girls are just far better than what you see in the US. I dont know if its surgeries being done or the mountainous environment there creating these looks
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5 months ago
There are restaurant scammers there too which is absolutely ridiculous. They will just serve you food you didnt ask for, making it appear as if its a free appetizer or something, then charge you for it at the end. You can argue it with them, but the “free” food is usually priced around a few bucks, in the hopes people pay it instead of arguing.
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5 months ago
But as far as the middle east I have heard Dubai is the absolute best and possibly even better than the US or the UK. Dubai seems to be the only place where girls from the US or UK Or Australia are actually willing to go there for escorting purposes. Even on the eurogirls site i think it had the highest number of listings of any middle eastern country, with turkey second or third.
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5 months ago
I don’t know if most of them are russian or soviet. There are some turkish ones and some arabian ones. The nice thing is the rates are much lower than the US, I believe because the cost of living and food is lower there. Even the hottest girls charge $180 to $250 an hour or for two hours there. I havent seen anyone asking more than $250 an hour, most girls will do two hours for $200.
Also it seems they are much less likely to have pimps and even boyfriend’s out there. Its still a conservative country, and prostitution is quasi legal there. Turkish culture isn’t as open to open relationships or being a boyfriend pimp like the US. In the US, supposedly many escorts consider tongue kissing to be cheating? Over there, many of them actually offer and like DFKing. BJ without cover is standard there.
There were numerous girls still living with their parents, secretly escorting on the side. Materialism is huge at least with the escorting chicks. There arent really any high paying jobs there that would pay $100 or $200 an hour. The only wealthy people I knew of were businessmen.
Im assuming doctors and surgeons make far less there too because they charge less? A lot of people from other countries go there for plastic surgery… including guys. Saw numerous guys with nosejob bandages… every other guy at the hotel had a hair transplant done.
Eurogirls is a popular site there… there are also much smaller forum sites that are mostly used by the locals. You can also meet someone from there but will most likely need to use google translate. A few of the girls on the smaller forums only want to meet local Turkish men. Also some of them if they know you’re American or British, will ask you for double their normal rate…
I heard there are a lot of working girls walking around the Taksim square area. I didnt spend enough time there to find out, but during holiday season its just so packed with tourists. Even outside of holidays its a big tourist spot.
There is also a popular scam going on in the taksim area where guys or girls come up to you asking if you want girls or drugs, they take you to a nightclub they own or are affiliated with. Then they start serving you drinks without you asking. Then try charging you a ridiculous amount like $1000 for a couple drinks. If you refuse they may threaten you or threaten to call the cops on you hoping youll pay up.
The websites seem to be much safer especially if youre doing outcall having the girl come to you. The 4/5 star hotels seem to have no issues with guests and you can always meet her at the outside entrance area and enter the hotel together, that way she doesn’t have to register at the front desk at all and you can just walk straight up to the elevators.
Regarding the taxi scams they are still active, and its because of a ridiculous thing where the taxi drivers enter in the fare themselves on their taximeter and thats how they charge you. If you do uber, somehow it only has taxi drivers there are no civilian uber drivers. Uber is actually the best option though, unless you meet a taxi driver in person and agree on a set amount of Lira beforehand, and pay him only at the end of the trip.
With Uber, the uber driver enters in the fare at the end of the trip, but if the fare is anything outside of the range you were given before accepting the uber ride, you just have to report it to uber and they refund you and probably note that driver as a scammer in their system. I had a ridiculous situation where a trip was supposed to be 150 lira, the guy drops me off, i go back to my hotel, check uber and the ride cost was 450 lira! I reported it to uber and they adjusted it down under 150.
What i found is that a lot of uber drivers will try scamming a small amount hoping people don’t bother reporting it to Uber. I had a bunch of rides that we’re supposed to be 140 or 160 lira and they were overcharged by 20-40 lira. I reported them to Uber and they adjusted all of them. Only one driver was daring enough to charge the 450 lira which is so obvious.
Im looking forward to going there again… a lot of the food also seems better. Even the milk at the grocery store, somehow tastes a lot better than milk here. Maybe its sheeps milk, maybe the cows there arent raised the same as here.
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6 months ago
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The problem with civvie dating is you more than likely will be expected to pay for a variety of things, as well as expected to give gifts on all the holidays, valentines day, birthdays, etc. it would likely take an extraordinarily good looking guy to be able to get away with not paying for anything.
With a high status guy- they can get hookups easily but those girls will eventually leave if they arent going to get anything out of the situation besides hooking up. A high status guy is valuable because hes popular and that can help the girl’s popularity and status if shes seen out with him, meets people he knows, or if hes internet famous and posts her on his social media. If hes just trying to use her as a secret hookup he doesnt post anywhere- she’ll eventually leave that situation.
Looks alone definitely wont help much for civvie dating, even if youre like an 8.5/10. There are many gym bros who will lose out to the fat bartender or ugly basketball player or frat guy. For civvie dating you have to have money or status or both. Being famous or instagram famous is also a form of currency in itself because of what people can gain from associating with you.
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6 months ago
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Status is the most important factor when it comes to guys getting girls. It starts all the way back in highschool. I saw countless, countless examples of guys who were ugly as hell, fat, not rich, but, because they were on the basketball, football or baseball team, they were popular, had lots of friends and got the most girls.
Nowadays it’s gone even further- if you have musical talent, especially in a popular genre like hiphop- that too is enough. The small time drug dealers in highschool also got women thanks to being popular and well liked. If you looked gangster, and had gangster looking friends to hang out with- that all helped significantly with girls too.
You can see the same in college- but at this point money also starts to matter a lot more vs. highschool. The frat guys got the most women - even when they were ugly or out of shape or both. Student athletes- as long as it was a popular sport , also got the most, even if they looked ugly as hell.
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6 months ago
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FL34, the story doesnt add up. Are you saying you never sent her the cashapp in the first place? Or thar she didnt return it to you
I dont agree that strippers make enough each night playing by the rules. Especially in cities or areas where there arent many tourists around. In a tourist city like Vegas, it’s more likely theyll make good money playing by the rules.
It doesnt make good sense to steal someones cash or wallet because it becomes a criminal offense. What happens a lot more would be some form of scamming. Like being promised extras in VIP, not receiving them. Getting a dancer who mixes in lots of air dancing and posing instead of doing a lapdance.
Some clubs may not even have cameras in the club or in the vip rooms or lapdance areas. Also America generally speaking is fairly lax on stealing. Its not a big deal in most states, and probably hard to prove inside a strip club where they wont be recording or will be hesitant to hand over recordings to the police.
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6 months ago
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What is game exactly? It means different things to different people. In many cases, telling lies and exaggerations about yourself is regarded as game.
What are the rates for fs in pandoras?
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6 months ago
Some dancers may use their real first name as the stage name. If its a common enough name, it really doesn’t matter.
25, what do you mean by paying bribes. Paying bribes to who?
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6 months ago
A club, being the middleman, is always going to have extra charges and fees added on. Its just like hiring a personal trainer in the gym, vs hiring them directly outside the gym.
If a club wanted to get around this, they could do something like provide private rooms for $50 per hour, and not charge anything else to the customer and not take anything from the dancer. So the customer would just need to pay $50 for the room and whatever is negotiated with the dancer. At that point, since its only a $50 fee, most customers and dancers arent going to to bother trying to arrange something OTC just to save $50. Its just not worth the time and energy, and a hotel
Room will cost more as well.
But most clubs tend to be too greedy, and charge far more than $50 and keep a significant portion of the dancers earnings, which encourages dancers and customers to move things OTC.