Comments by justaguy79

My hypothesis, and this is certainly not based on knowing anything about what Chinese people are like, or anything, is that the Cubans pay the vig, and don't get cute, but the Chinese try to chisel EVEN the cops, and Bob Kraft got caught in the crossfire.

It's a cash business. For some owners that's all it needs to be.

@bavarian People generally are wired in such a way that rational and emotional motivations are frequently in conflict. Some people are better than others at choosing the rational over the emotional, but the basis of the difference is likely genetic (most people favor a moralistic explanation). Even for people who are good at it, choosing the rational (egg white omelet) over the emotional (donut), never FEELS as good as the other way around. So while some women may choose a man who can support them, they all know that getting banged out by a murderer would be more fun. Those who make that choice do so for fear of the consequences of the other. Just like all guys know that paying hot young sluts to touch your dick might be fun, but most of them (probably correctly) decide it's not worth the cost/risk.

Dude are you for real? She offered to do you for free and you said no? At some bars, after you buy a few drinks, the bartender will say "next one's on me." Would you say no thanks, just because he's not really your friend?

The stripper is getting something from her "loser" BF that no RIL can give her. Just like PLs get high off the intense femininity of the stripper, and sometimes make imprudent choices in pursuit of it, the stripper gets high off the intense masculinity of the "loser." Settling for the RIL would feel, for her, like settling for an obese, bitchy middle aged woman would for us.

Pussy on an intermittent reinforcement schedule is a hell of a drug.

Sick I probably wouldn't for purely selfish reasons. I would have more fun spending that money when I was 100%. But the hungover nut is the best nut, in my experience.

There are two major WTF elements in this story: 1. 25?!? For real? Because if you said 37 I would believe it. That bitch is like a 5 year old car with 200,000 miles on it. 2. $300k over 2 years for that sloppy looking thing? That's ~$3k a week. For that much, you could be banging a different, much hotter girl, every day of the week. Girls who look like that "model" can be had for $200 a pop or less. I live in one of the vilest shitholes in this country, and there are hundreds of girls cuter than her on SA within an hour's drive from me.

If you want to fuck her, tell her you want to fuck her. Is that so hard to do? If she's been doing this with you for a while, she is most likely willing to let you fuck her for money. She can probably tell how deep the hook is set with you, so she will probably ask for a crazy number, but you are so infatuated, you will feel lucky to pay it. Not to get all Icey on you, but these girls are generally really high time preference, low impulse control. The rapidity with which she would let a man she wanted fuck her would astound you (minutes). Her ability to fool around with you naked, repeatedly is strong evidence that she has absolutely zero organic desire for you, and she's been 100% certain about that since 5 minutes after you first met (at most). She is never going to become your wife or girlfriend. Honestly, if she did, you would regret it more profoundly than you can imagine right now. These girls are way more annoying in real life than their fantasy personas. She's a delicious treat. If you can afford the price, take a bite, savor it. Treats this sweet spoil rapidly. But don't take it home just to watch it get moldy. And don't think you can stop eating real food and subsist on nothing but treats without putting yourself in an early grave.

I still think icey is a girl, and the pimp persona is role playing some dude who pumped and dumped her back when she was attractive. I want to address this frame she frequently employs, "If she really liked you..." Or, "How to make her really like you." I sincerely do not want that. A girl I met on SA said, after I fucked her a few times, that she wanted to keep seeing me without the arrangement, and I faded out on her. I have plenty of love and friendship in my life, what I want more of is sex with pretty young women, and NO ENTANGLEMENTS. And your ways to make her really like you suck, first because they cost more than just paying for sex, and second because it sounds like they take a really long time. My time is committed to other projects. I want to make plans, have a little fun, and GTFO.

But I'm an Eeeeeeazy sale! I just want to pop my cork and go, 30m tops, and I'm happy to pay as much, or more for it than Mr. Reg is dangling in front of her for an entire evening of flattery. But I am at peace with all this now, b/c I use SA girls most of the time, and only rarely go to SCs anymore.

I meant "exploiting" only in the sense that she has imperfect information about how much money is out there, so she's willing to give you a bigger discount than she would if she had better information. The same way she's exploiting the fact that most pretty girls don't perform sex acts with strangers for money. No judgement implied. And I must say some of you regs are alright, I enjoy reading your shit, but I will never really understand it. I find it extremely annoying when a stripper tries to discourage other girls from approaching me, just b/c she made me cum last time. If I was looking for a committed relationship, I wouldn't be in a strip club. Still, I am baffled regarding the nature of your conversations. And I'm 45, dammit!

Another funny thing is how strippers become purely rational utility-maximization algorithms when one of these SC libertarians starts talking.

@subra I have to say, having had some experience with non-stripper SA girls, the quality of the experience with a stripper OTC is usually not nearly as good. Strippers, even the not off-puttingly high-hustle (by stripper standards) ones, are too steeped in the culture of hustle to really fuck a customer like a normal girl. Also, the cycle of mutual contempt ("gameless loser, has to pay for it"/"dumb whore, has to sell it") is the worst thing about the sex industry for both sides of the transaction. The fact that SA allows both parties to rebrand (and pull the wool over their own eyes, to some extent), and thereby escape that cycle is why, when it works, it works so well.

Hot/Slutty/Cheap Pick two.

Great thread, guys! I'm a varietarian myself, because generally I find a stripper to be pretty dull company if she's not touching my dick, but I feel like reading TUSCL has given me some insight into the regular's mindset (which is dominant here, like the high-hustle is on SW). It's kind of amusing to see all these regulars pretending they don't care what their favs do, and it's strictly business, when "Regular butt-hurt over perceived slight from fav, how should I retaliate?" is an extremely frequent thread topic here, and there are always lots of creative suggestions. Also, regs, I think you should acknowledge that you're exploiting the girl's uncertainty about how much money might be out there, to underpay her for her time. Imagine there was a way for customers to post bids for the girls, that the girls could see on their phones. So on a slow night, she might still be content to sit with you all night for a few hundred (most of these guys are not really "whales"), but on a night she can see that there's thousands out there, you're going to have to pay up. I'm not suggesting this would ever be implemented, it's a thought experiment. How does it make you feeeeeeel? Finally, to end on a positive note, I'm honestly curious what you talk about with them for hours. In 20+ years of SCing, I can count the strippers I've actually enjoyed talking to on the fingers of one hand, and not drop my beer. Is it just you telling "funny stories," and her "laughing?"

Wait a minute, who's fucking these girls, you or me? I've fucked dumb ghetto whores like you (never fucked one twice, of course), and sure, there are dumb ghetto whores on SA, but they stand out, because they're so inarticulate, so it's easy to avoid them. But there are also girls on SA who are not dumb ghetto whores. And there is no end to the ways that girls like that are BETTER than dumb ghetto whores. More fun to talk to, more fun to fuck, more fun when it's over. It's my dick that's going into them, and I'm TELLING YOU, they ARE better quality. That's the thing. The people you resent because they have things you wish you had? They have those things because they're BETTER than you.

@icey A dry-aged porterhouse and a filet-o-fish that's been lying in the gutter for a week are both "food," but each offers a profoundly different culinary experience.

Are you founder? Does he object to this discussion topic? Maybe you should go make your own website, then you can boss people around to your heart's content.

In my experience, for every 3 meet & greet dates you make, 1 girl shows up. At this point I don't even think about heading out the door until she confirms via text that she's on her way. I tried double booking a few times, but honestly it's just too much trouble. Even so, SA is the highest quality experience of paying for it I've ever had, rivalled only by high-end FBSM. Compared to SA girls, OTC with strippers is generally a lot less fun, in my either. PS IceyLoco's commentary in this thread is classic Dunning-Kruger: dumb ghetto whore can't comprehend that some girls aren't dumb ghetto whores.

For what it's worth, IceyLoco seems like a girl to me. I've never met a guy who was so insistent that some strippers aren't whores.

This is not a problem I've ever had, because in two decades of SCing, I can count the strippers I've enjoyed talking to on the fingers of one hand, but I might have said something like, "I'm not bullshitting you, I really am going to buy some dances, but I like to talk for a while first. I'll tell you when I'm ready. If you have somewhere else you need to be right now, you can go, and come back when you have time to talk, but I'm not going to pay you for dances when you're not dancing." That's more or less what you're thinking, right? So say that. If she doesn't go for it, you're no worse off than you were with your approach. But a baby stripper is quite likely to follow your lead if you sound like you know what you're doing.

FBSM is an artisanal hj.

FBSM is an artisanal hj.

@Subra, FBSM is only really available in a few cities. And let's not kid ourselves, the cops would still call it a trafficking bust even if the girls were all American.