SA. No shows?

To keep it real they are probably doing the same shit to you.

Girls, regardless of their jobs, are very reliable if they actually like you.

I have strippers texting me back right away even if I wait a day or 2 to text them. Its about you, not them.

Same with dates, never been stood up. Never used SA or anything though

Waaaay dick move. And if you're lucky enough to find two girls on SA who will actually show up, you don't want to fuck up your chances with the later one, since you might not get along with the first.

The universal experience on SA is an incredibly high flake rate. It's worse than strippers, IME. That said, most SBs will simply ghost during messaging leading up to the first meeting. But you might be having a great conversation, and then they'll ghost the day-of, or even just go silent a couple of hours before the date, and that's that. My best guess is that, especially the younger ones who are already conflicted, they get scared and disappear

That’s why I quit SA. Too many no shows, even after the girl confirmed plan the day before. And that’s not even counting all the ones that would ghost the minute I suggested an in person meet and greet.

A hoe not showing up to get paid..... Now thats something...

It's not like the girls are working together on SA. Punishing the second girl makes no sense so yea it is a dick move.

Girls on SA get hundreds of messages from different guys. It's a crapshoot even to get their attention due to that volume. If you are lucky enough to get a first meeting without her getting scared or she gets with another guy before you then you have gotten past the first hurdle.

About 15% are no-shows -- just an estimate. Current SB stood me up at meet@greet and I continued pursuing her against my better judgement. That was over 7 months ago and it's been a great arrangement. She's 21-yrs-old, long blonde hair, about 10% body fat, models swimwear and underwear.

I don’t plan my day around these girls. If I’m going out at night I’ll chill with them, if not I default to the strip club. Too easy. Nobody on SA is gonna fuck my day up.

Offer more money....

Screwing a girl over bc they do it too is not a good excuse.

Flakiness has to be taken into account as part of the P4P game.

itc and escorts tends to be more reliable... i guess.

Are talking about the initial M&G?

I've never been ghosted. The reason is I promise monitary gift usually 50 or 75 for showing up.

And yes, some feel that is pathetic but it's all about the cash with these honeys.

I'm going to guess there are several factors that might affect the no show rate. I suspect the 19 to 21 year olds are less reliable than the 26 to 29 year olds.

I completely agree with you guys about the dick move. I owned it. It's not a good idea, I recognized it.

I think a better backup plan will be just keeping a few numbers for a last minute booty call.

@@lone_wolf I'm not looking for just a meet and greet on the first date.

@icyloo I dont think the offered $ will matter ( much)

@muddy9. yeah sc will always be the fallback plan

-->"Are talking about the initial M&G?
I've never been ghosted. The reason is I promise monitary gift usually 50 or 75 for showing up."

Yah, initial M&G. I find if I can get her to show up to that, it's pretty smooth sailing... she'll continue to show up if the M&G goes well and we agree on allowance numbers.

I can imagine a gift making a big difference. At this point I'm not interested in doing so, even if it gets more girls to M&Gs... I'm happy with my current SA and OTC options, but maybe more importantly, it just rubs me the wrong way to pay for a meet and greet. Maybe I need to work on that with my therapist :)

Younger women and women new to SA flake more often, and I patronize both groups

I think money plays a role....and so does her attraction or connection to you. If you offer enough a hoe will always show up. So will a woman who is interested in you.

Not sure payment for M&G is the way to go - I can see women milking it and using paid M&Gs as their side hustle - if the M&G amount is small I don't see it as being that big a motivator in the first place and it may even make the PL look cheap - if it's a decent amount, they may show up just to get paid.

Yeah, as far as big ($100+) payments for a M&G, it is absolutely the case that that's enough for girls who are not serious about being in an arrangement, to use it as a side hustle. I've been talking about SA with strippers for a few years now, and several who I've gotten close with claim that's what they do... though I'm sure if they met a unicorn, they'd consider engaging. I doubt Lone Wolf's $50 is enough to attract that kind of girl though. I do wonder, though, that the fact that he's offering even that token amount is enough to convince the girls he's serious -- the SBs go through as much bullshit and flaking as SDs do, so they're as wary as we are

But you have to realize that whether a hoe shows up or not its not just because she's flaky. Their actions are calculated. If she doesn't show up, its coz she felt she had a better option.

Its bad enough with normal women or dancers, but never chase a hoe....

I have no time for a pre "arrangement " meet and greet. I have never asked anyone to just meet at the hotel room, I've always suggested dinner or drinks in public place to get to know each other.... with the fairly well implied understanding that we're going to the hotel room after.

In my experience, for every 3 meet & greet dates you make, 1 girl shows up. At this point I don't even think about heading out the door until she confirms via text that she's on her way. I tried double booking a few times, but honestly it's just too much trouble. Even so, SA is the highest quality experience of paying for it I've ever had, rivalled only by high-end FBSM. Compared to SA girls, OTC with strippers is generally a lot less fun, in my either.

PS IceyLoco's commentary in this thread is classic Dunning-Kruger: dumb ghetto whore can't comprehend that some girls aren't dumb ghetto whores.

I forgot, you're under the delusion that if she's white, young, calls herself a sugar baby and claims to be in college, she's not really a hooker LMFAO

Look, a hoe will invest in whatever she feels she can profit from. If she stands you up, its you, not her.

Same with any woman though, if she's really into you she lets you know, she'll be all over you. If she doesn't she won't.

-->"At this point I don't even think about heading out the door until she confirms via text that she's on her way. "

I have the same policy. Unless you savor being stood up, this is the way to go.

@31: "I have no time for a pre "arrangement " meet and greet. I have never asked anyone to just meet at the hotel room, I've always suggested dinner or drinks in public place to get to know each other.... with the fairly well implied understanding that we're going to the hotel room after."
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Yes @31, and you posted earlier about hooking up with four girls in the same week of your trip to Vegas. You should ask yourself why you're bothering with S(A) in the first place? Why not just call an escort? There are plenty of Backpage girls who've migrated to S(A) after SESTA-FOSTA and those are just the kind of girls who'll sleep with you on the day of the meet@greet. Generally the girls complain bitterly about guys like yourself.

Not picking on you @31 in particular; this is more/less the standard on a site like TUSCL. Hopefully one of these girls will report you and you'll get banned from the site permanently. I'm personally hoping S(A) never becomes a glorified Backpage..

@Icey: We've been through this before. SBs are in fact prostitutes and you get no argument from me. But there's a radical difference between some college student who's had a handful of partners in her life and an escort who sleeps with five guys a day with no screening. You and I understand the difference but you just won't shut up.

You've never met a college girl who fucks a few guys a day?

@random. Not picking on me, but you hope I get banned? C'mon.

Just because your moral compass points a few degrees off of mine? You and I are BOTH well outside what the general population of the US would approve of.

I think the ship has sailed as far as keeping the escorts and johns (with typical escort/john business models) off SA. It's flooded with them, hand-wringing won't do anything. And frankly, if the escorts and johns find each other, that's great, no skin off my nose; leaves the SBs for me.

The only place I might moralize is the johns who, instead of sticking with the obvious escorts, make false promises to SBs about wanting an actual arrangement, and then pump&dump'ing her. Hurtful to the girls, and then gets them all irritated on top of that. As long as you're up front -- looking for immediate intimacy, plus not promises as far as an arrangement -- I think it's back down to two people picking what's right for them.

@subraman I cant believe anyone would be untruthful in their conversations on SA. Not even the heifers that list their body type as athletic.

Chubbies need love too, man

Are you founder?

Does he object to this discussion topic?

Maybe you should go make your own website, then you can boss people around to your heart's content.

@icey A dry-aged porterhouse and a filet-o-fish that's been lying in the gutter for a week are both "food," but each offers a profoundly different culinary experience.

You're not getting a better quality hooker just coz she's on SA.

Wait a minute, who's fucking these girls, you or me? I've fucked dumb ghetto whores like you (never fucked one twice, of course), and sure, there are dumb ghetto whores on SA, but they stand out, because they're so inarticulate, so it's easy to avoid them. But there are also girls on SA who are not dumb ghetto whores. And there is no end to the ways that girls like that are BETTER than dumb ghetto whores. More fun to talk to, more fun to fuck, more fun when it's over. It's my dick that's going into them, and I'm TELLING YOU, they ARE better quality.

That's the thing. The people you resent because they have things you wish you had? They have those things because they're BETTER than you.

You're saying the average hooker is a "dumb ghetto whore" while hookers on SA, so long as they're white and have middle class mannerisms are superior to other hookers... Nice way of looking at it.

50% nonshow ( or cancel just prior )

My experience on SA is unless I am planning to at least meet within a few days once I make contact its a good chance she (or sometimes I) ghosts. I never ghost a planned meet but have been ghosted maybe 25%.

But my M.O. is to never promise anything on an initial meet other than dinner. I always give like a Starbucks gift card and maybe a little chocolate when we meet. I am not interested in high hustlers on SA, I can find that any day of the week in a strip club. I look for someone looking for something fun who is looking to expand her world of experience with a guy who will treat her right.

The hustlers slip away or ghost but frankly that's ok with me.