There are often negative comments made about strippers on this discussion forum. I thought I would share a few positive thoughts. I see them as co-equal partners in a business transaction. It takes both parties to make a deal. We mongers provide $$ and the strippers provide a service. That service includes one or more of the following: eye candy (a beautiful body to look at in some level of undress); touch (we touch them they touch us at various levels of intimacy); entertainment by dancing; they listen to our sad stories about wife’s and girlfriends, work troubles. We have many arrrangements in our lives with service providers, doctors, lawyers, plumbers, etc. We generally do not demean those relationships, neither should we do that with strippers. I for one are happy they are there to provide that service, because when I am with a pretty woman who is paying attention to me it makes me feel more alive.
You're stating the sky is blue - if there weren't strippers with good qualities most vets here would not have been strip clubbing for years and many would not have faves.
There is a selection bias. What is there to post about if things went well? We post about the bad experiences and bad strippers because they are interesting.
I wouldn't call any of them "bad" If she's ugly to you or you don't like her and still spend money on her, that's on you, not her. And only butt hurt tricks pissed off that they didn't get extras call girls "ROBs"...
Like anyone, whether you're with good ones or not its on you.
Strippers are my fave providers in the sex industry, and OTC with strippers my favorite overall experience. Perhaps more fun to talk about their foibles, sure.
Man you wanna come on and here and try to lecture some people, go write a review. That’d be like walking into McDonalds and talking about the food at that location to the employees and manager without ordering. Gtfo
My doctor, hairstylist, personal trainer, massage therapist, and nutritionist are all very attractive and pleasant young women. They all pay attention to me and provide me some type of service. I also pay each of them, per service, considerably less than I pay my ATF DS stripper. I wonder if I should drop my ATF DS stripper and just do other things.
I agree with you FishHawk, generally they make you feel happy to be alive, and the sky a bit more blue. And as a non-extra clubber it's pretty easy to keep it positive, because not that much $ is involved. Most complaints seem to involve bigger $ for bigger 'rewards'.
All I have to say is that I absolutely adore strippers. They give me a release from day to day stress. Not that I have stress, but if i did, they help me relieve it. Life and death decisions are no different than any other really.
I'm talking about the guys who approach strippers in a sterile way like service providers....the way you view someone will often dictate your interaction with them.
Almost all of the strippers I've met have been incredibly unique and intelligent people. I don't know why some of the men on here have such a bad opinion of them.
I don't have a bad opinion of them. I was just showing the other side of the coin. If you don't recognize that other side you are opening yourself up for a lot of heartache and financial distress.
It wasn't your intention but the OP came off as slightly condescending and slightly lecturing - many on here have been at this for years - the way it came off was as if you were trying to enlighten Eskimos about ice fishing - again seems you were just trying to start a discussion
CC99 they have a bad opinion coz they want them but can't have them. They're not dumb enough to believe that paying them for dances and sex means anything to them other than money from guys they'd never give the time of day to. That makes them bitter so they convince themselves that strippers are evil. Truth is, they're the joke of the club coz everyone knows which hoe is finessing them. But they don't want to believe that coz they think they're insiders and have the upper hand at the club. Hardly any of them understand SC and stripper/hoe culture. They don't know the mindset.
I've bought dances from or hired 16 strippers and escorts in my life now. Most of them I made several repeat visits to and was at least a semi-regular. I've never really had an issue with a sex worker. I think the problematic strippers and escorts are a pretty low number. Even if the next stripper I bought a dance from was an asshole, that'd only be a 6% asshole rate which is pretty low.
All I know is that I am going to have fun this week with some strippers. Either AUSTIN, TX. or SALINA KS. Either or , I will absolutely have a fucking BLAST!!!!
Strippers are kind of like auto repair shops. Some perform amazing service for a reasonable price. Others will overcharge for what little they deliver.
It is what it is. There is a solid majority here though who are amiable enough however.
My guess is it's a human nature thing. Yesterday, CC took the time to look into the average # of posts from the most active users. The top two who are currently most prolific are SJG and Icey. And both users who disdain other members on this board and consider a lot of conversations a circle jerk.
Yesterday, CC took the time to look into the average # of posts from the most active users. — Beta Cuck, I can’t believe you do these things when you’re in college and should be smashing as much as you can. SMH.
Dancers and custies have opposing agendas/priorities/needs, so there are gonna be misunderstandings - dsncers complain plenty about custies but we both obviously need each other
Strippers as a group can have all the things we complain about -- low emotional IQ being the most clearly nearly-universal thread, but poor judgement, inability to keep commitments, and others -- but still be awesome people who we enjoy being with. As has been pointed out, it's a bit more fun to vent about the negative, but their positives can be awesome, and I genuinely like every one of my CFs and ATFs, to the point that I've kept in touch with several, years after they "retired".
An interesting fact: if you go onto SA discussion forums, you will find many experienced SDs refuse to even consider the (very many) strippers on SA trying to be SBs. Why is that? Well, the SDs have exactly the same experience with strippers that we do here, literally the exact the same characteristics; but most SDs are looking for something different than a PL going on an OTC, so are less likely to accept it. This isn't just a tuscl thing, experiences on other SC forums are the same, and beyond into the SA forums, and beyond that, anywhere guys who have dated strippers talk.
None of which negates the fact that they're often fun, interesting, charismatic, sexy, charming, and full of life.
No I'm not, I'm done trying to convince him, Pistola is just an ignorant person who will never try and put himself in another person's shoes and understand their life. Either that or he's just lying and trying to look cool.
But things might be looking okay after all. I can't say for sure if this will last, but at the moment, I feel content for the first time in a very long time.
@subra I have to say, having had some experience with non-stripper SA girls, the quality of the experience with a stripper OTC is usually not nearly as good. Strippers, even the not off-puttingly high-hustle (by stripper standards) ones, are too steeped in the culture of hustle to really fuck a customer like a normal girl.
Also, the cycle of mutual contempt ("gameless loser, has to pay for it"/"dumb whore, has to sell it") is the worst thing about the sex industry for both sides of the transaction. The fact that SA allows both parties to rebrand (and pull the wool over their own eyes, to some extent), and thereby escape that cycle is why, when it works, it works so well.
-->"@subra I have to say, having had some experience with non-stripper SA girls, the quality of the experience with a stripper OTC is usually not nearly as good. Strippers, even the not off-puttingly high-hustle (by stripper standards) ones, are too steeped in the culture of hustle to really fuck a customer like a normal girl."
Just: I 100% understand having those feelings. In fact, as I've said, the rap strippers get on SA forums is identical to the one they get here. And for get reason: we're all experiencing the same thing, even when it's a stripper trying to put on an SB facade. Low-EQ, heavy hustle, poor judgement, etc, is a generalization, but as generalizations go, that picture is painted across various groups, even SA SDs who have no preconceived notions.
All of that said, I like OTC better .. or, as I've said in the past, my SA experience has taught me that what I was doing with my ATFs is pretty much identical to an arrangement. She's my ATF because she's not in super hustle mode, and while I enjoy the stability, intelligence, education, and freshness of the classic college SB, that just doesn't seem to scratch my itch -- I like the impulsiveness, partygirl vibe, seduction abilities, lean-all-the-way-into-her-sexuality, and contagious energy of a stripper. Not that there's any reason to choose, I've been indulging in SA and OTC for the past several years.
... and I'm willing to put up w/ stripper flakiness, etc., those downsides are well worth the upsides for me. Arrangement with a stripper is a pretty fun ride :)
LOL IceyLoco knows all about paying a stripper ho "GF". Quotes...
"Yeah, Im fine with the sugar daddy aspect. Im not naive to think she'd be with me if I were broke."
"Don't care where I met her and have no problem spending the money, its not an issue."
"And I agree, its really weird that she would cut off the $$$. You'd think she'd want to push it. And at this stage while I know itll hurt in the long run, Id be down with it. She knows I'll spend it on her.It was pretty much like we were living in a hip hop video...materialistically, it was there for her. Designer shoes, bags, clothes, the best weed, expensive restaurants. She grew up poor and likes fast money..."
"Im hoping if nothing else, she misses the money. She won't find this elsewhere...it was a lot. A few hundred a day, some days over a thousand."
"... I'd even be fine with it just being about money if she just stays and acts normal."
Truthfully, Subraman, I think you'd find more real party girls at a college bar. Strippers are really unique in that they are sort of party girls and also sort of not. The girls at college bars are actually unabashed hardcore drinking party addicts though. If you specifically want a fantasy girl of your dreams though or think you'd have trouble picking girls up in a college bar I can understand that. I'm not trying to be like Icey I just thought I'd let you know.
CC: One of the stories I like to tell: I had slept over my ATF's place, and when I woke up, I heard her stripper roommate arguing with her boyfriend. I don't remember exactly what it was over, but the BF was angry over something she (the roommate stripper) had done. She either cheated on him, or partied with other guys and put it on her snapchat, or something. She hangs up the phone, looks at us, and says, "He's dating a stripper, he knew I was a stripper. If he wanted someone who just stayed home, he should get some soccer mom. I'm a stripper, what does he expect".
That, truthfully, summed up all my experience with strippers -- actual experience, not pretending to pimp them or get them hooked on drugs or beat them, not pretending to be "bout dat life", not being on a forum at 22 and pretending I know about strippers. I've hung out with my ATF -- she stopped both stripping and charging me money, some years ago -- and her stripper friends a zillion times. They are, unlike what Icey claims, exactly how I described, and that is a fundamental part of their personality, and frankly, it's why they chose stripping in the first place. Yes, of course, they are very different than their SC personas, but that part -- the poor decisions, the low EQ, the heavy partying, the flakiness etc. -- that's a constant, and real. They're constantly bitching about each others' flakiness. And also why, despite being so gorgeous and desirable, they aren't all getting trophy husbands/boyfriends. I've had multiple FWB, I've seen all the SDs with experience with strippers as SBs, I've talked to guys with stripper boyfriends -- across a whole bunch of groups who are unconnected, this is all consistent. No one who hasn't had such experience should be trying to lecture otherwise.
Yes, of course, there are other party girls besides strippers. And, of course, it's just a generality -- I'm sure that just like not all software engineers are nerdy, not all strippers are as I described. Not hard to believe nicespice his higher EQ and isn't a flake, it's just a generality. But I have to tell you, it's true there are a LOT of nerdy software engineers.
None of this is trying to be mean, or pose to look cool, or whatever. But there's a reason, across multiple unconnected groups like stripper boyfriends (actual stripper boyfriends, not pretend ones), sugar daddies, etc., we all tell practically identical stories.
I've actually always believed you to be one of the most credible sources on this forum. I wasn't saying that to support Icey's claim about it all being a persona and stuff like that, its more about what I've personally noticed. From what I've seen, they are kind of party girls, I'm not denying that a lot are to a certain extent. It obviously makes sense that quite a few of those girls are attracted to stripping but its also a bit of a mixed bag because of their bohemian personalities. To me, it seems like a lot of strippers have multiple personalities. Not like in a mental disorder way, but that a lot of them have several sides to their personality and that one side of their personality is a party girl, but that there's more personalities in there. Like there are strippers that can switch from ultra-sensual seductresses to a girl who just wants to eat cheetos on the couch. Or you have NinaBambina who is a stripper but has only slept with like six or seven guys. A lot of people describe these contrasts as "personas" but I'm not entirely sure if they are personas or if the dancer is literally tapping into a different personality. I also think it might be exhausting for them to be in one personality for too long though and that's why they want to be in very contrasting situations.
The difference between the strippers and the girls in college bars is that I think that most of the girls in college bars are completely, 100% hard drinking party girls. They don't have this multiple personality thing, that is thru and thru who they are and what they dedicate the majority of their free time to doing. Personally, I think the multiple personality thing is a lot of what attracts me to strippers because I want to learn more about them. The multiple personality thing makes them so unique as a person that it interests me a lot. I don't know if you know what I'm talking about here, or maybe that's the reason you want to be around them too, but I do think that the girls at college bars are actually more dedicated to being party girls than most strippers are.
Cc: I agree, people are complex. And strippers are people. Well, most of them :)
I do agree college girls can be hard partiers -- I've met a few like that on SA. Not surprisingly, when I do go for non-strippers, I'll pick a partygirl college girl over a serious college girl every time. No disrespect to the guys who choose otherwise, like I said, I 1000% understand it. But partygirls scratch my itch these days, love strippers but any partygirl'll do in a pinch
CC: anyway, apologize for going non-linear on you, I addressed some points you weren't arguing at all.
Anyway! This thread is in DEFENSE of strippers. And I'll say it again, I fkn love them. At their best, they're Fun, interesting, beautiful, sexy, seductive, funny, complex, challenging, hard partying, and passionate. Whatever their downsides, I love their upsides. And backsides. And frontsides.
Of course girls vary, but to claim that your limited experience paying a hooker lets you know what strippers are like is asinine.
I've grown up with girls who became dancers, have pretty much mostly dated dancers since I was 17. My first real girlfriend stripped with a fake ID. I've known these girls on a more intimate level.
Liking to party or getting high doesn't define them as people. A lot of that is just escapism from shit situations. They don't have "multiple personalities" they just get good at compartmentalizing different roles they play in life. And they're not gonna be themselves around tricks for the most part.
I know a girl who always plays up being a party girl,bohemian free spirit, whatever. In reality she's struggling to pay rent for her family. Another comes off as slutty and sexual but has only had sex with one person in her life. One comes across as the ultimate bad bitch and looks like her life is perfect but is an anxiety filled girl who just wants someone to vent to and hold her.
You guys paint these girls with such broad strokes, you really don't see them as just human beings. I think you like focusing on the party girl aspect coz it makes you think you're fucking a party girl not a hooker.
Not seeing them as human beings: troll who pretends to be a pimp, advocating drugging them and beating them
Seeing them as human beings: person who sees them as people, has actually gotten to know them, well enough to appreciate them for who they are, and who sees some commonality between them, just like all groups have commonalities. E.g., many software engineers are nerds. the majority of internet trolls are miserable lonely people.
"Its in your best interest to take control of her drug use from the start. Make sure she does the minimum to get fucked up." "Never ask her to do shit. Tell her to do it." "Its about control." "Don’t be afraid to discipline her. Eventually you’ll have to. Be manipulative with her feelings." "She’s not happy with herself and never satisfied, she’s always looking for a quick fix and fast satisfaction." -- the definition of someone who doesn't see someone else as a person lol
Wait, what's that last one again?
"She’s not happy with herself and never satisfied, she’s always looking for a quick fix and fast satisfaction."
^ LMAO @IceyLoco is that why you posted all this about your stripper ho "GF"? By your own logic you are a delusional trick.
"Yeah, Im fine with the sugar daddy aspect. Im not naive to think she'd be with me if I were broke."
"Don't care where I met her and have no problem spending the money, its not an issue."
"And I agree, its really weird that she would cut off the $$$. You'd think she'd want to push it. And at this stage while I know itll hurt in the long run, Id be down with it. She knows I'll spend it on her.It was pretty much like we were living in a hip hop video...materialistically, it was there for her. Designer shoes, bags, clothes, the best weed, expensive restaurants. She grew up poor and likes fast money..."
"Im hoping if nothing else, she misses the money. She won't find this elsewhere...it was a lot. A few hundred a day, some days over a thousand."
"... I'd even be fine with it just being about money if she just stays and acts normal."
He never gets embarrassed no matter how much he gets slam dunked. I continue to insist this is a troll from our past. No way an actually stripper is spending this much time, for so many weeks, getting slam dunked so badly, and sticking around. Of course, some might argue that the hysteria and non-stop contradictions read female. Not me though. Not me.
Lie. That was not about "hoes" -- who are people too, BTW -- but very specifically and clearly about strippers. But in thise case, The title of the thread you wrote was "If you really want to date/manage strippers". These are all statement about strippers, how to hook them on drugs, intimidate them, advocating beating them, how to manipulate them, and generalities such as them being unhappy with themselves. Disgusting objectification. Luckily we here who enjoy strippers are here to set you straight.
"The number one thing you need to do to fulfill her needs is to make her dependent on you for as much as possible. You basically have to manage her life. Its what these bitches crave"
And all I said was if she hits you hit her back...
Giving them drugs is a good way to build rapport....usually just weed. And yeah if you date a girl who does coke, control how much she takes or at least try to so she takes as little as possible.
And yeah, you want a woman to get hooked on you emotionally. And with a lot of young girls that involves knowing how out to play mind games these days.
Yup, women living unstable lives crave strength and stability in a man. Someone to make her not worried about her shit.
But I take it your idea of interacting with women is paying them to fuck and pretending its more.
No, you didn't say any of those things. You even clarified in later replies on drugs -- control her with them, get her hooked, not "control so she takes as little as possible".. And went into detail to manipulate them emotionally. And no, you clearly did not say "if she hits you hit her back". All of those are lies -- the lies of a troll who looks at women as non-human objects. Again, the rest of us, who actually like strippers, are here to call out your lies, contradictions, and misogyny. See, when your entire knowledge of pimping is by watching Pimps Up Hoes Down, you get all kinds of confused and write the wrong thing on the internet.
Make your mind up about me though, you're all over the place grasping at shit out of context just so you can attack me for the sake of attacking me.I could say anything and you'd still be a bitch coz you get off on a few dumbasses in here riding your dick when you do it
And it was 100% about strippers, not hoes, starting with the title, in all caps. You don't like being caught in your contradictions. And treating prostitutes this way is no better htan treating strippers in any case -- only the mind of a warped, miserable troll could come up with that post.
^ LMAO @IceyLoco is that why you posted all this about your stripper ho "GF"? By your own logic you are a delusional trick. You should practice what you "preach". And be consistent about it. LOL you're all over the place grasping at your own shit!
"Yeah, Im fine with the sugar daddy aspect. Im not naive to think she'd be with me if I were broke."
"Don't care where I met her and have no problem spending the money, its not an issue."
"And I agree, its really weird that she would cut off the $$$. You'd think she'd want to push it. And at this stage while I know itll hurt in the long run, Id be down with it. She knows I'll spend it on her.It was pretty much like we were living in a hip hop video...materialistically, it was there for her. Designer shoes, bags, clothes, the best weed, expensive restaurants. She grew up poor and likes fast money..."
"Im hoping if nothing else, she misses the money. She won't find this elsewhere...it was a lot. A few hundred a day, some days over a thousand."
"... I'd even be fine with it just being about money if she just stays and acts normal."
... you're at home, alone, friendless and miserable. Every study of internet trolls comes to the same, pitiful conclusion on what trolls are like in real life. Enjoy!
I'd like to offer you my management services -- when we're done, you'll have like, no friends. But you will have a meth addiction and a black eye, so there's that!
@IceyLoco posted -> "So go and keep on paying hookers and telling yourself its really more...you're fucking party girls *cough* *cough*"
^ LMAO just like you with your "GF"...
"Yeah, Im fine with the sugar daddy aspect. Im not naive to think she'd be with me if I were broke."
"Don't care where I met her and have no problem spending the money, its not an issue."
"And I agree, its really weird that she would cut off the $$$. You'd think she'd want to push it. And at this stage while I know itll hurt in the long run, Id be down with it. She knows I'll spend it on her.It was pretty much like we were living in a hip hop video...materialistically, it was there for her. Designer shoes, bags, clothes, the best weed, expensive restaurants. She grew up poor and likes fast money..."
"Im hoping if nothing else, she misses the money. She won't find this elsewhere...it was a lot. A few hundred a day, some days over a thousand."
"... I'd even be fine with it just being about money if she just stays and acts normal."
Nah, they get their shit together and start functioning. Save up money, get more discipline and don't waste it as soon as they get it...Stay away from drugs as much as they can...
"Don’t be afraid to discipline her. Eventually you’ll have to. Be manipulative with her feelings. When that works it means you have her mind and her heart. If you beat her she’ll just be afraid of you. That’s a bitch move unless you really have to. If she fucks with your main bitch keys your car gets violent with you, then slap the shit out of her. One of the best ways to fuck with her is to make sure she knows you have side bitches."
"Turn the conversation to drugs. Hook her up with whatever she’s into. Better yet, get high with her. Downers, weed and coke are OK, they won’t kill you."
- Looks matter. If she isn't the type of bitch who would go out with you in every day life, then a stripper bitch is definitely not going to date you. You need realistic expectations. Fortunately, if you’re ugly you can work on your body.
- Your bitches are a direct reflection of who you are as a man. Respect is everything.
- Don’t give a fuck if she’s single or not. It doesn’t matter now a days.
- Act confident. By that I mean be direct about what you want and always back your words up with actions. Consistency in your words and actions makes you look confident and gains her trust. This in turn makes her more submissive. This consistency is what gets her addicted to you.
- You're going to have to spend money. It will get her attention and make her notice you ITC. Don't get dances though. Learn shit like making flowers and hearts out of bills and give her a few hundred dollar bills just because. These bitches associate everything with money. Their self worth is linked to how much money they get for their looks. Affection, happiness, anything positive, its expressed with money. Its just how the stripper life is. These are bitches who are viewed as commodities so they act on it. She will accept everything. Whats different when she likes you is her reaction to it. She’s gon feel special and treat you like a king, start doing shit for you in return. Ie buy you groceries, clean your place, cook for you, do her hair and nails how you want them, dress like you want her to, shes going to want to share shit like that with you. But remember, this is a very temporary stage. The goal is to get her interested enough to get hooked, eventually she’ll be the one giving you money cos she’s just going to associate it with her liking you and that’s how she expresses it. The number one sign of you having won her over is her giving you money. When you get there, you know you’ve made it. There’s nothing like a hot bitch giving you a grand in pussy or perfume scented bills on the regular.
- Never be a trick. If you pay her for sex with money or pay her for dances regularly, she will never respect you. You’re paying her to provide what a man should be able to get without paying for it like that. A lap dance here and there is OK, even a VIP room session. But it should never be a regular thing. Its desperation and that makes you weak in her eyes. You want to spend money being a provider and making her feel secure. Not being a trick.
- Never approach her like a customer. Tell her you like her ambition. That you love the way her eyes light up when she sees that $$$ but its cool cos you love fast money too. Tell her that her hustle turns you on cos its so cute and then give her some tips. Show her you’re a bigger hustler than her. Tell her she missed out on tips by not paying attention to someone at the stage, or how some guy was checking her out and she missed the $$$, that she shouldn’t get lazy and needs to be on top of her game. Make her see that if she gets with you she can be on a winning team. Be supportive of her grind and hustle and make her see its part of your vision and dreams with her. Trying to change her or make her quit her hustle is the worst thing you can do at this point.
'course, he cut out the best parts of his advice on how to treat strippers:
"Its in your best interest to take control of her drug use from the start. Make sure she does the minimum to get fucked up." "Never ask her to do shit. Tell her to do it." "Its about control." "Don’t be afraid to discipline her. Eventually you’ll have to. Be manipulative with her feelings." "She’s not happy with herself and never satisfied, she’s always looking for a quick fix and fast satisfaction." "The number one thing you need to do to fulfill her needs is to make her dependent on you for as much as possible. You basically have to manage her life. Its what these bitches crave" "If she fucks with your main bitch keys your car gets violent with you, then slap the shit out of her. "
Thats with a lot of women but once the strip club lifestyle gets a hold of them, you have to be her rock of stability and not take any crap. They crave that. Women in general do.
I still think icey is a girl, and the pimp persona is role playing some dude who pumped and dumped her back when she was attractive.
I want to address this frame she frequently employs, "If she really liked you..." Or, "How to make her really like you." I sincerely do not want that. A girl I met on SA said, after I fucked her a few times, that she wanted to keep seeing me without the arrangement, and I faded out on her. I have plenty of love and friendship in my life, what I want more of is sex with pretty young women, and NO ENTANGLEMENTS. And your ways to make her really like you suck, first because they cost more than just paying for sex, and second because it sounds like they take a really long time. My time is committed to other projects. I want to make plans, have a little fun, and GTFO.
^ she's absolutely a woman or one trapped in a man's body. Other observations:
- She comes to the defense of strippers 100% of the time whenever an issue is raised between a PL and a customer. Her posts in this thread are just an example.
- She is obsessed with denigrating PLs that pay strippers for anything sexual, in particular tricks. No average guy PL (i.e. excluding san_jose_creep) would ever do this. Sure, guys have other opinions of other guys and how they like to mongering, but for the most part they don't obsess about how another PL chooses to interact with strippers. By contrast, IceyLoco is extremely obsessed and has gone as far as paying for VIP access on TUSCL for the sole purpose of calling out 'old tricks'. Only a bitter and angry stripper ho would be like this.
- It's difficult to do a fake pimp persona, and that's where Icey is cringeingly bad
- But I don't think it's hard to do a female persona. I think any of us could do a passable one, if we were the trolly type. So I'm not so quick to say "female" here.
- Icey changes tactics depending on the thread. Basically, the algorithm is: take the opposite view of whatever the thread majority view is, and/or side with SJG or Nicole or whoever the predictably most-unpopular-view member is. Icey really doesn't have any point, other htan to maximally disrupt threads and cause chaos -- which is remarkably similar to a toxic troll who stage-managed his exit from this site -- but only someone delusional would think is not around in some form. This forum was/is his life. Even where it's pretty trivial -- like the name Chastity for a stripper -- Icey's view is 100% predictable, great name. Unless all the rest of us had loved that name, in which case, his view would have been "terrible name".
- Icey sometimes falls out of both pimp and female character, and reads just like any other male keyboard nerd here.
All in all, for me, occam's razor = toxic male troll from our past, not some chick who is trolling.
@Subra have you considered that she could have been that toxic troll from the past as always a woman, even back then?
Also if she's really a man it is a very (very) effeminate one. It makes sense that an angry and bitter gay man troll would have the same issues if not more than she has.
Not every guy on here trolls strip clubs for hookers. In fact there are more threads here from guys who would like more from the club than there are from guys who just go there looking for a hooker.
Getting a girl isn't hard... Its possible to make her hooked and catch feelings within seeing her like 5 times. But again, depends on what you have in common and how you connect.
I'm not really a troll, but I have done some pranking before.
SirLDK is blocked by more people here than IceyLoco or SJG is because he's actually a real troll. All he does is harass unpopular members of the board by copying and pasting the same personal attacks to irritate you without addressing any of your actual points. There's no point in having a discussion with him. He one time said trolls with multiple accounts are amateurs and that the best trolls are those who pass themselves off as contributing members to the forum. That's pretty much what SirLDK does, he looks kind of like a contributing member but make no mistake about it, he's a troll.
As much as i want to say something bad about strippers, i really can't. The vast majority of strippers that I've come into contact with have always been kind and interesting and entertaining to talk to. I chalk it up to having excellent customer service. Something i no longer care to have, honestly.
People with excellent customer service more often than not will have nothing but bad things to say about their customers though. And i sympathize. But i think that's where the bad rap comes from. You see strippers here, or on stripperweb talking bad about mongers, assigning terms like PL, unless you have a tough skin, it's no wonder strippers are looked down on.
Unless, you're speaking of just the general population's perception of strippers. I'm pro sex workers. I advocate for safe work environment for these girls. And I'm incredibly sympathetic to what they have to put up with from their customers. The general public just as an all out negative perception of strippers that's completely baseless
Although the bad things to say about their customers thing happens occasionally, I've found that its not as common in the service industry as some people think it is. I think what happens is that a service worker (or sex worker) will complain about one specific customer and then people sort of take it to mean they just dislike all or most of their customers when its actually just venting about that one specific person.
I think the vast majority of stripper customer complaints are about being stiffed. Either guy can't pay for his dances and promises to come back, or girl drinks with a guy for an hour and he eventually just buys 2 $20 dances.
-->"^@Subraman explain the use of ugh or even better try to say it out loud in a voice that sounds male then get back to me ;)"
The way I explain that, and cardi b, and jersey shore is ... any guy pretending to be a girl would say such things. In fact, it's all so obvious that no way a female who was trying to hide being female, would say those things. It's someone pretending they're female; no female trying to be male persona woudl say it
Strippers are usually indifferent to customers. They're pretty good at shutting the club out when they're in their private lives. But I think they hold overall negative views of the men they come into contact with at work.
CC99 it amazes me how you pull numbers out of your ass. How in the hell do you know that more people have SLD blocked than SJG or Icey? Here's the answer: you don't. Stop making shit up just to fit your narrative.
I have never heard of "Car Keys and Wallet Dating" used in a sentence other than SJG. I also have never heard that term in the real world, ever. Am I missing out on something here or is that a huge tell.
Before Icy Loser comments I have dated plenty of girls when I was single and have had a few fuck buddies in the last few years.
Can somebody tell me where the hell that term cam from or is this some kind of made up phrase?
It's not a tell. Just like Icey is misdirecting you all with manufactured female writing, he has multiple times misdirected with saying things SJG says. I have my theory and I'm sticking to it :)
@CC99 - Sorry I have to disagree with you about SirLDK. He is an awesome guy who has given me an others here a ton of useful advice and legitimate guidance. You say he attacks "unpopular" members? I would say that he is attacking "unwelcome and unwanted" members who continually act in ways that go against the community. There is a big difference and if you keep down the path you're on you'll end up in that category as well.
You guys consider SJG unwanted and going against the community though. To me, he is one of my favorite members here. Yes he challenges me but I honestly find myself looking forward to the time of the day that he posts to see what he'll say. Sundays are kind of boring because I know he never posts on Sundays.
The hatred towards him on here is unwarranted. He has his own opinions and he sticks to them, but that's about it, the "troll" designation isn't accurate. And believe me, through PMs, I have experienced the fullest extent of his stubbornness, but I still like him. I doubt anyone here has PMed with SJG as much as I have. This forum really wouldn't be the same if he left.
SirLDK... Is just very annoying. There's a reason he is the first person here I have put on ignore.
If strippers were just strippers there wouldnt need to jump around from "clean" clubs to dirty clubs. they do this because they run out of customers to exploit. thats why they get negative comments
@TFP I called Beta CCuck out on the same BS as you just did - about how he will use any piece of anecdotal "data" and use strawman arguments in order to support his own myopic narrative and subjective world view. He doesn't even understand his own ignorance on it as well.
Basically, I just like to make trolls butt hurt for being trolls. And IceyDodo just proved I've met that goal. LMAO.
@IceyDodo have you noticed that nobody is attacking Papi_Chulo or TFP for having a different opinion in this thread? The only reason you are supposedly persona non grata is because you are a bonafide troll!
@IceyDodo my bad I was referring to a different thread regarding Papi_Chulo and TFP. But my point is the same. There's no circle jerk or anything like that. Just don't be a troll and you won't be persona non grata.
@Cristobal >However, if you really don't have experience or first hand knowledge of an issue, it's probably better to not comment just for the sake of commenting.<
When has that ever stopped an idiot from displaying their ignorance lol
-->"@IceyDodo have you noticed that nobody is attacking Papi_Chulo or TFP for having a different opinion in this thread? The only reason you are supposedly persona non grata is because you are a bonafide troll!"
^ Shit SJG, Icee, CC, and whole gang of uninformed idiots post on just about everything no matter how trivial and always try to threadjack every conversation the first two are trolls unquestionably CC is like that little kid at the adult dinner party that wants to be the center of attention. His parents never disciplined him and he just doesn’t realize how bratty he is.
Nobody in real life has ever really referred to me as bratty or anything along those lines. I've been accused of being too moralistic, too obsessive about certain topics, and that I can be argumentative. That just about covers it though.
It's not really thread jacking. Every successful thread will organically move to new topics if that's the direction it is heading in. By your definition, all of my threads get "threadjacked" but I've never cared if that happened. You have to let threads take a new direction if that's where it's heading in.
I've had a lot of people, not just SJG and IceyLoco tell me they think I make a lot of good threads. Sometimes it's good to bring a kid to the dinner party because they ask questions the adults haven't thought of before.
We're uninformed idiots coz we're not a part of your echo chamber circle jerk. OK
Thread jacking is when the geriatric circle jerk club takes over a thread for the sole purpose of attacking people with differing opinions and experiences. Or maybe they have dementia and act out online.
Sometimes the adults tolerate bratty behavior still you act like you are an entitled little brat, Seems to me y’all think you’re so entertaining, that we are dying to hear your opinions on everything and anything.
The point of a forum is to share opinions and find out other people's. Disagreement is often a major part of that and is sown into the fabric of any forum with an active user base.
I've never really paid much attention to the age of the person I'm talking to. I'm on another forum where I'm one of the older members actually. It doesn't feel that different though besides the fact that it's for a very different hobby so people's views on things are very different. Still I'll talk to a 16 year old the same way I talk to a 21 year old or a 50 year old.
^ perfect example of threadjacking and trying to make yourself the center of attention Now let’s get back to praising strippers for their many positive attributes
^ As stated, CC is an extremely passive-aggressive troll and he continues to provide examples, ad nauseum.
Also I LOL every time I think of IceyDodo paying for VIP access on the site for the sole purpose of trolling what he called the "circle jerk". ROFLMAO she actually PAID out of pocket to threadjack!
SirL: admit it, some little part of you must admire the dedication to the craft of trolling! Like I've been saying, it actually didn't totally surprise me -- it's consistent with my claim that this is an old troll, for whom trolling this forum is the high point of his life, and price of VIP is nothing in order to get a diversion from his everyday loneliness and misery. I just don't see any run-of-the-mill SW girl doing that.
That's really not threadjacking because you made the topic about me "being a brat." Truthfully, I don't know why you have this much of a problem with me because I'm pretty nice to you whenever we do talk. I don't believe I've ever insulted you. I am very opinionated but that's pretty much it, I disagree with SJG on things all the time but I still like him, I still enjoy talking to him.
But yes, if there's something we can agree on, its that most strippers have a lot of very positive character traits and attributes. I think I will always have a soft spot for strippers given many of the sweet girls I've met who were one. I can say for sure that our lives would not be the same if they didn't exist.
@Subra being amazed and flabbergasted is more accurate with me than admiring. I feel a little sad for her too.
Also I've always been open to the possibility of your theory on "her". I totally see your point about her being a past troll, but note that I never claimed that she's a run-of-the-mill SW girl. She's just as obsessed about trolling as you who you surmise her to really be. And I just think writing style is hard to fake when you cross genders. So that is why I still have high confidence that she's a woman or at the very least she's a highly effeminate man. Regardless, I'm glad we are aligned in that she's a troll and has always had that intention. Plus it's just fun game to figure her out.
CC I don't have a problem with you you just don'tb like hearing the truth, I've tried to give you hints many times but you ignore them, repeatedly, so here is some criticism, that is constructive, I'm not trying to tear you down, you are doing that yourself very well. You got yourself banned once and haven't learned your lesson you are heading towards becoming a complete outcast, like SJG and Icee the trainwreck if you don't learn to listen, remember god gave you two ears and one mouth, that tells you that you should listen twice as much as you talk.
@twentyfive you gotta realize that Beta CCuck is lonely and depressed like san_jose_creep and so he's always yearning for someone to engage in conversation with him and have an pointless argument for pointless arguments sake. He wants conversation/argument with anybody and everybody that will have it with him. No matter what you say to him he's gonna nitpick it and consider it "scintillating conversation". Bank on this.
Maybe you're right I kinda hoped he was just a misguided kid, that needed some mentoring to be OK, but it appears that he's beyond my ability to help, still it's totally disrespectful on his part to continue threadjacking this conversation, that IMHO makes him a spoiled brat especially after it's been pointed out to him.
^ I tried to actually help and engage him once too but I realized his mind is closed to his own myopic and subjective world view. Then he trolled me and eventually blocked me.
Hit ctrl + f and type in "cc99" you'll find that at the beginning I am on topic and after that I am just responding to other people mentioning me. There's no threadjacking going on.
So 25 basically admitted he wants this to be an echo chamber for old tricks
TBH I think a lot of them are jealous of CC99. Its inane to hate on him for liking and doing the same things they do... They're jealous he's young enough to do it without viagra, without cheating on a wife, and will be mongering at least 30 years after they're dead....
And TBH IceyDodo keeps trolling like she did when she joined. LOL she sounds like she has no issues with a young trick like Beta CCuck but if it's an old trick it's a different story. LMAO @ the hypocrisy!
-->"he wants this to be an echo chamber for old tricks"
To stir the pot a little, I'll tell you that the first time I started seeing the term "echo chamber" thrown about, it was when the troll activity was at a high, and we were arguing with founder about whether the site needed moderation. It came from none other than nicespice, evidently panicking that her 25 troll accounts would get shut down :) It eventually got picked up by some of the other trolls, it is in fact only a term used by the trolls here for the most part, and as you can see, Icey still uses it. Food for thought for those of you who think there's a female stripper behind Icey
^ You mean you create a strawwoman argument so that you can troll.
Don't confuse you being outed as a troll with anything else. It's that simple and has nothing to do with any circle jerk which is the strawwoman part of your argument.
What I specifically said about echo chamber... —— “If this site ever turned into an echo chamber, then I will just go back to hanging out more often at the tumblr echo chamber with fellow strippers. And while there is more reliable content quality, the echo chamber makes for a strong misandrist bent that I find off-putting.
...and btw tumblr doesn’t do much with moderation either. But strippers I guess are better at ignoring trolls? Or maybe it’s the format of the site that makes trolling harder?
So I think moderation is dicey. But here are some alternative ideas:” —— As for that comment I made back then. I was concerned about moderation specifically because moderators are individuals.
And on this board, many individuals (me included) will get all bent out of shape over one style of trolling but have a “live and let live” viewpoint of another troll.
For example, if I was a moderator I may have a particular bias against misogynistic posts and get more delete/banhappy over that.
If Papi was a moderator he may have a bias against the idea of locking down dancers against all circumstances.
If muddy9 was a moderator he may have a bias against those who advocate against customers who give overactive lapdances.
Etc.
...But as it turned out, having a separate VIP board I guess created some kind of change anyways, perhaps symbolic. But even that wasn’t fool proof as the Dugan/DocE beef proved.
Then when others (DC, SJG, pistola) complained about the echo chamber aspect, I didn’t participate in that.
^ooh and I should have included Icey and Trap in those parenthesis. Idk how I forgot the most obvious example.
Now that I think about it, I didn’t think I was the one who coined this phrase. But if I really did, then holy cow! In light of SJG telling me that I was “aiding the trolls” and Icey claiming that “I manipulate these tricks into trolling”...then that would elevate me into a troll nirvana realm. Smash that like button! xD
Some next level detective work, Spicey! :). You didn't coin the phrase "echo chamber" but definitely were the first one to say it here, after which a very suspicious range of characters picked it up and repeated it, echo chamber style!
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They're people, treat them and view them like human beings...
Amen!
Like anyone, whether you're with good ones or not its on you.
but more often than not they are also flaky, make terrible life decisions, lie to your face, take drugs, ...
And I'm not nearly as jaded as some of the others on here.
It wasn't your intention but the OP came off as slightly condescending and slightly lecturing - many on here have been at this for years - the way it came off was as if you were trying to enlighten Eskimos about ice fishing - again seems you were just trying to start a discussion
My guess is it's a human nature thing. Yesterday, CC took the time to look into the average # of posts from the most active users. The top two who are currently most prolific are SJG and Icey. And both users who disdain other members on this board and consider a lot of conversations a circle jerk.
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Beta Cuck, I can’t believe you do these things when you’re in college and should be smashing as much as you can. SMH.
An interesting fact: if you go onto SA discussion forums, you will find many experienced SDs refuse to even consider the (very many) strippers on SA trying to be SBs. Why is that? Well, the SDs have exactly the same experience with strippers that we do here, literally the exact the same characteristics; but most SDs are looking for something different than a PL going on an OTC, so are less likely to accept it. This isn't just a tuscl thing, experiences on other SC forums are the same, and beyond into the SA forums, and beyond that, anywhere guys who have dated strippers talk.
None of which negates the fact that they're often fun, interesting, charismatic, sexy, charming, and full of life.
No I'm not, I'm done trying to convince him, Pistola is just an ignorant person who will never try and put himself in another person's shoes and understand their life. Either that or he's just lying and trying to look cool.
But things might be looking okay after all. I can't say for sure if this will last, but at the moment, I feel content for the first time in a very long time.
I have to say, having had some experience with non-stripper SA girls, the quality of the experience with a stripper OTC is usually not nearly as good. Strippers, even the not off-puttingly high-hustle (by stripper standards) ones, are too steeped in the culture of hustle to really fuck a customer like a normal girl.
Also, the cycle of mutual contempt ("gameless loser, has to pay for it"/"dumb whore, has to sell it") is the worst thing about the sex industry for both sides of the transaction. The fact that SA allows both parties to rebrand (and pull the wool over their own eyes, to some extent), and thereby escape that cycle is why, when it works, it works so well.
That said, I give her credit when she proves my low expectations to be undeserved. And that has happened often enough.
They're people. Maybe not the best decision makers. But still people.
My experiences with new-to-the-job strippers are all over the map. Some fantastic. Some not fantastic.
I have to say, having had some experience with non-stripper SA girls, the quality of the experience with a stripper OTC is usually not nearly as good. Strippers, even the not off-puttingly high-hustle (by stripper standards) ones, are too steeped in the culture of hustle to really fuck a customer like a normal girl."
Just: I 100% understand having those feelings. In fact, as I've said, the rap strippers get on SA forums is identical to the one they get here. And for get reason: we're all experiencing the same thing, even when it's a stripper trying to put on an SB facade. Low-EQ, heavy hustle, poor judgement, etc, is a generalization, but as generalizations go, that picture is painted across various groups, even SA SDs who have no preconceived notions.
All of that said, I like OTC better .. or, as I've said in the past, my SA experience has taught me that what I was doing with my ATFs is pretty much identical to an arrangement. She's my ATF because she's not in super hustle mode, and while I enjoy the stability, intelligence, education, and freshness of the classic college SB, that just doesn't seem to scratch my itch -- I like the impulsiveness, partygirl vibe, seduction abilities, lean-all-the-way-into-her-sexuality, and contagious energy of a stripper. Not that there's any reason to choose, I've been indulging in SA and OTC for the past several years.
"Yeah, Im fine with the sugar daddy aspect. Im not naive to think she'd be with me if I were broke."
"Don't care where I met her and have no problem spending the money, its not an issue."
"And I agree, its really weird that she would cut off the $$$. You'd think she'd want to push it. And at this stage while I know itll hurt in the long run, Id be down with it. She knows I'll spend it on her.It was pretty much like we were living in a hip hop video...materialistically, it was there for her. Designer shoes, bags, clothes, the best weed, expensive restaurants. She grew up poor and likes fast money..."
"Im hoping if nothing else, she misses the money. She won't find this elsewhere...it was a lot. A few hundred a day, some days over a thousand."
"... I'd even be fine with it just being about money if she just stays and acts normal."
That, truthfully, summed up all my experience with strippers -- actual experience, not pretending to pimp them or get them hooked on drugs or beat them, not pretending to be "bout dat life", not being on a forum at 22 and pretending I know about strippers. I've hung out with my ATF -- she stopped both stripping and charging me money, some years ago -- and her stripper friends a zillion times. They are, unlike what Icey claims, exactly how I described, and that is a fundamental part of their personality, and frankly, it's why they chose stripping in the first place. Yes, of course, they are very different than their SC personas, but that part -- the poor decisions, the low EQ, the heavy partying, the flakiness etc. -- that's a constant, and real. They're constantly bitching about each others' flakiness. And also why, despite being so gorgeous and desirable, they aren't all getting trophy husbands/boyfriends. I've had multiple FWB, I've seen all the SDs with experience with strippers as SBs, I've talked to guys with stripper boyfriends -- across a whole bunch of groups who are unconnected, this is all consistent. No one who hasn't had such experience should be trying to lecture otherwise.
Yes, of course, there are other party girls besides strippers. And, of course, it's just a generality -- I'm sure that just like not all software engineers are nerdy, not all strippers are as I described. Not hard to believe nicespice his higher EQ and isn't a flake, it's just a generality. But I have to tell you, it's true there are a LOT of nerdy software engineers.
Obviously a freudian slip. Guys with stripper GIRLfriends. Big fella.
I've actually always believed you to be one of the most credible sources on this forum. I wasn't saying that to support Icey's claim about it all being a persona and stuff like that, its more about what I've personally noticed. From what I've seen, they are kind of party girls, I'm not denying that a lot are to a certain extent. It obviously makes sense that quite a few of those girls are attracted to stripping but its also a bit of a mixed bag because of their bohemian personalities. To me, it seems like a lot of strippers have multiple personalities. Not like in a mental disorder way, but that a lot of them have several sides to their personality and that one side of their personality is a party girl, but that there's more personalities in there. Like there are strippers that can switch from ultra-sensual seductresses to a girl who just wants to eat cheetos on the couch. Or you have NinaBambina who is a stripper but has only slept with like six or seven guys. A lot of people describe these contrasts as "personas" but I'm not entirely sure if they are personas or if the dancer is literally tapping into a different personality. I also think it might be exhausting for them to be in one personality for too long though and that's why they want to be in very contrasting situations.
The difference between the strippers and the girls in college bars is that I think that most of the girls in college bars are completely, 100% hard drinking party girls. They don't have this multiple personality thing, that is thru and thru who they are and what they dedicate the majority of their free time to doing. Personally, I think the multiple personality thing is a lot of what attracts me to strippers because I want to learn more about them. The multiple personality thing makes them so unique as a person that it interests me a lot. I don't know if you know what I'm talking about here, or maybe that's the reason you want to be around them too, but I do think that the girls at college bars are actually more dedicated to being party girls than most strippers are.
I do agree college girls can be hard partiers -- I've met a few like that on SA. Not surprisingly, when I do go for non-strippers, I'll pick a partygirl college girl over a serious college girl every time. No disrespect to the guys who choose otherwise, like I said, I 1000% understand it. But partygirls scratch my itch these days, love strippers but any partygirl'll do in a pinch
Anyway! This thread is in DEFENSE of strippers. And I'll say it again, I fkn love them. At their best, they're Fun, interesting, beautiful, sexy, seductive, funny, complex, challenging, hard partying, and passionate. Whatever their downsides, I love their upsides. And backsides. And frontsides.
I've grown up with girls who became dancers, have pretty much mostly dated dancers since I was 17. My first real girlfriend stripped with a fake ID. I've known these girls on a more intimate level.
Liking to party or getting high doesn't define them as people. A lot of that is just escapism from shit situations. They don't have "multiple personalities" they just get good at compartmentalizing different roles they play in life. And they're not gonna be themselves around tricks for the most part.
I know a girl who always plays up being a party girl,bohemian free spirit, whatever. In reality she's struggling to pay rent for her family. Another comes off as slutty and sexual but has only had sex with one person in her life. One comes across as the ultimate bad bitch and looks like her life is perfect but is an anxiety filled girl who just wants someone to vent to and hold her.
You guys paint these girls with such broad strokes, you really don't see them as just human beings. I think you like focusing on the party girl aspect coz it makes you think you're fucking a party girl not a hooker.
Seeing them as human beings: person who sees them as people, has actually gotten to know them, well enough to appreciate them for who they are, and who sees some commonality between them, just like all groups have commonalities. E.g., many software engineers are nerds. the majority of internet trolls are miserable lonely people.
"Its in your best interest to take control of her drug use from the start. Make sure she does the minimum to get fucked up." "Never ask her to do shit. Tell her to do it." "Its about control." "Don’t be afraid to discipline her. Eventually you’ll have to. Be manipulative with her feelings." "She’s not happy with herself and never satisfied, she’s always looking for a quick fix and fast satisfaction." -- the definition of someone who doesn't see someone else as a person lol
Wait, what's that last one again?
"She’s not happy with herself and never satisfied, she’s always looking for a quick fix and fast satisfaction."
LOL!
"Yeah, Im fine with the sugar daddy aspect. Im not naive to think she'd be with me if I were broke."
"Don't care where I met her and have no problem spending the money, its not an issue."
"And I agree, its really weird that she would cut off the $$$. You'd think she'd want to push it. And at this stage while I know itll hurt in the long run, Id be down with it. She knows I'll spend it on her.It was pretty much like we were living in a hip hop video...materialistically, it was there for her. Designer shoes, bags, clothes, the best weed, expensive restaurants. She grew up poor and likes fast money..."
"Im hoping if nothing else, she misses the money. She won't find this elsewhere...it was a lot. A few hundred a day, some days over a thousand."
"... I'd even be fine with it just being about money if she just stays and acts normal."
Lie. That was not about "hoes" -- who are people too, BTW -- but very specifically and clearly about strippers. But in thise case, The title of the thread you wrote was "If you really want to date/manage strippers". These are all statement about strippers, how to hook them on drugs, intimidate them, advocating beating them, how to manipulate them, and generalities such as them being unhappy with themselves. Disgusting objectification. Luckily we here who enjoy strippers are here to set you straight.
"The number one thing you need to do to fulfill her needs is to make her dependent on you for as much as possible. You basically have to manage her life. Its what these bitches crave"
And all I said was if she hits you hit her back...
Giving them drugs is a good way to build rapport....usually just weed. And yeah if you date a girl who does coke, control how much she takes or at least try to so she takes as little as possible.
And yeah, you want a woman to get hooked on you emotionally. And with a lot of young girls that involves knowing how out to play mind games these days.
Yup, women living unstable lives crave strength and stability in a man. Someone to make her not worried about her shit.
But I take it your idea of interacting with women is paying them to fuck and pretending its more.
... for teaching me I should manipulate strippers with drugs and their feelings
... for teaching me to call them bitches and I should manipulate them because they feel bad about themselves
... for teaching me to objectify people
instead, I'll continue to treat them as people, and let misogynistic women-objectifying trolls troll... and fake pimps, fake pimp walk LOL
"Yeah, Im fine with the sugar daddy aspect. Im not naive to think she'd be with me if I were broke."
"Don't care where I met her and have no problem spending the money, its not an issue."
"And I agree, its really weird that she would cut off the $$$. You'd think she'd want to push it. And at this stage while I know itll hurt in the long run, Id be down with it. She knows I'll spend it on her.It was pretty much like we were living in a hip hop video...materialistically, it was there for her. Designer shoes, bags, clothes, the best weed, expensive restaurants. She grew up poor and likes fast money..."
"Im hoping if nothing else, she misses the money. She won't find this elsewhere...it was a lot. A few hundred a day, some days over a thousand."
"... I'd even be fine with it just being about money if she just stays and acts normal."
... you're at home, alone, friendless and miserable. Every study of internet trolls comes to the same, pitiful conclusion on what trolls are like in real life. Enjoy!
So go and keep on paying hookers and telling yourself its really more...you're fucking party girls *cough* *cough*
^ LMAO just like you with your "GF"...
"Yeah, Im fine with the sugar daddy aspect. Im not naive to think she'd be with me if I were broke."
"Don't care where I met her and have no problem spending the money, its not an issue."
"And I agree, its really weird that she would cut off the $$$. You'd think she'd want to push it. And at this stage while I know itll hurt in the long run, Id be down with it. She knows I'll spend it on her.It was pretty much like we were living in a hip hop video...materialistically, it was there for her. Designer shoes, bags, clothes, the best weed, expensive restaurants. She grew up poor and likes fast money..."
"Im hoping if nothing else, she misses the money. She won't find this elsewhere...it was a lot. A few hundred a day, some days over a thousand."
"... I'd even be fine with it just being about money if she just stays and acts normal."
https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php…
"Don’t be afraid to discipline her. Eventually you’ll have to. Be manipulative with her feelings. When that works it means you have her mind and her heart. If you beat her she’ll just be afraid of you. That’s a bitch move unless you really have to. If she fucks with your main bitch keys your car gets violent with you, then slap the shit out of her. One of the best ways to fuck with her is to make sure she knows you have side bitches."
"Turn the conversation to drugs. Hook her up with whatever she’s into. Better yet, get high with her. Downers, weed and coke are OK, they won’t kill you."
- Looks matter. If she isn't the type of bitch who would go out with you in every day life, then a stripper bitch is definitely not going to date you. You need realistic expectations. Fortunately, if you’re ugly you can work on your body.
- Your bitches are a direct reflection of who you are as a man. Respect is everything.
- Don’t give a fuck if she’s single or not. It doesn’t matter now a days.
- Act confident. By that I mean be direct about what you want and always back your words up with actions. Consistency in your words and actions makes you look confident and gains her trust. This in turn makes her more submissive. This consistency is what gets her addicted to you.
- You're going to have to spend money. It will get her attention and make her notice you ITC. Don't get dances though. Learn shit like making flowers and hearts out of bills and give her a few hundred dollar bills just because. These bitches associate everything with money. Their self worth is linked to how much money they get for their looks. Affection, happiness, anything positive, its expressed with money. Its just how the stripper life is. These are bitches who are viewed as commodities so they act on it. She will accept everything. Whats different when she likes you is her reaction to it. She’s gon feel special and treat you like a king, start doing shit for you in return. Ie buy you groceries, clean your place, cook for you, do her hair and nails how you want them, dress like you want her to, shes going to want to share shit like that with you. But remember, this is a very temporary stage. The goal is to get her interested enough to get hooked, eventually she’ll be the one giving you money cos she’s just going to associate it with her liking you and that’s how she expresses it. The number one sign of you having won her over is her giving you money. When you get there, you know you’ve made it. There’s nothing like a hot bitch giving you a grand in pussy or perfume scented bills on the regular.
- Never be a trick. If you pay her for sex with money or pay her for dances regularly, she will never respect you. You’re paying her to provide what a man should be able to get without paying for it like that. A lap dance here and there is OK, even a VIP room session. But it should never be a regular thing. Its desperation and that makes you weak in her eyes. You want to spend money being a provider and making her feel secure. Not being a trick.
- Never approach her like a customer. Tell her you like her ambition. That you love the way her eyes light up when she sees that $$$ but its cool cos you love fast money too. Tell her that her hustle turns you on cos its so cute and then give her some tips. Show her you’re a bigger hustler than her. Tell her she missed out on tips by not paying attention to someone at the stage, or how some guy was checking her out and she missed the $$$, that she shouldn’t get lazy and needs to be on top of her game. Make her see that if she gets with you she can be on a winning team. Be supportive of her grind and hustle and make her see its part of your vision and dreams with her. Trying to change her or make her quit her hustle is the worst thing you can do at this point.
"Its in your best interest to take control of her drug use from the start. Make sure she does the minimum to get fucked up."
"Never ask her to do shit. Tell her to do it."
"Its about control."
"Don’t be afraid to discipline her. Eventually you’ll have to. Be manipulative with her feelings."
"She’s not happy with herself and never satisfied, she’s always looking for a quick fix and fast satisfaction."
"The number one thing you need to do to fulfill her needs is to make her dependent on you for as much as possible. You basically have to manage her life. Its what these bitches crave"
"If she fucks with your main bitch keys your car gets violent with you, then slap the shit out of her. "
I want to address this frame she frequently employs, "If she really liked you..." Or, "How to make her really like you." I sincerely do not want that. A girl I met on SA said, after I fucked her a few times, that she wanted to keep seeing me without the arrangement, and I faded out on her. I have plenty of love and friendship in my life, what I want more of is sex with pretty young women, and NO ENTANGLEMENTS. And your ways to make her really like you suck, first because they cost more than just paying for sex, and second because it sounds like they take a really long time. My time is committed to other projects. I want to make plans, have a little fun, and GTFO.
- She comes to the defense of strippers 100% of the time whenever an issue is raised between a PL and a customer. Her posts in this thread are just an example.
- She is obsessed with denigrating PLs that pay strippers for anything sexual, in particular tricks. No average guy PL (i.e. excluding san_jose_creep) would ever do this. Sure, guys have other opinions of other guys and how they like to mongering, but for the most part they don't obsess about how another PL chooses to interact with strippers. By contrast, IceyLoco is extremely obsessed and has gone as far as paying for VIP access on TUSCL for the sole purpose of calling out 'old tricks'. Only a bitter and angry stripper ho would be like this.
- It's difficult to do a fake pimp persona, and that's where Icey is cringeingly bad
- But I don't think it's hard to do a female persona. I think any of us could do a passable one, if we were the trolly type. So I'm not so quick to say "female" here.
- Icey changes tactics depending on the thread. Basically, the algorithm is: take the opposite view of whatever the thread majority view is, and/or side with SJG or Nicole or whoever the predictably most-unpopular-view member is. Icey really doesn't have any point, other htan to maximally disrupt threads and cause chaos -- which is remarkably similar to a toxic troll who stage-managed his exit from this site -- but only someone delusional would think is not around in some form. This forum was/is his life. Even where it's pretty trivial -- like the name Chastity for a stripper -- Icey's view is 100% predictable, great name. Unless all the rest of us had loved that name, in which case, his view would have been "terrible name".
- Icey sometimes falls out of both pimp and female character, and reads just like any other male keyboard nerd here.
All in all, for me, occam's razor = toxic male troll from our past, not some chick who is trolling.
Also if she's really a man it is a very (very) effeminate one. It makes sense that an angry and bitter gay man troll would have the same issues if not more than she has.
Getting a girl isn't hard... Its possible to make her hooked and catch feelings within seeing her like 5 times. But again, depends on what you have in common and how you connect.
You have some serious troll hunting skills.
Your analysis are spot on.
Is CC a troll or just PPL?
Regarding CC...yes!
Re: CC, I thought so too.
I wanted cooberation...lol
I'm not really a troll, but I have done some pranking before.
SirLDK is blocked by more people here than IceyLoco or SJG is because he's actually a real troll. All he does is harass unpopular members of the board by copying and pasting the same personal attacks to irritate you without addressing any of your actual points. There's no point in having a discussion with him. He one time said trolls with multiple accounts are amateurs and that the best trolls are those who pass themselves off as contributing members to the forum. That's pretty much what SirLDK does, he looks kind of like a contributing member but make no mistake about it, he's a troll.
I've read much of what @SirLapdancealot writes and I tend to agree with much of it
No big deal either way:
Live and let live.
Monger (or don't) your way, and I will do it my way.
People with excellent customer service more often than not will have nothing but bad things to say about their customers though. And i sympathize. But i think that's where the bad rap comes from. You see strippers here, or on stripperweb talking bad about mongers, assigning terms like PL, unless you have a tough skin, it's no wonder strippers are looked down on.
Unless, you're speaking of just the general population's perception of strippers. I'm pro sex workers. I advocate for safe work environment for these girls. And I'm incredibly sympathetic to what they have to put up with from their customers. The general public just as an all out negative perception of strippers that's completely baseless
Although the bad things to say about their customers thing happens occasionally, I've found that its not as common in the service industry as some people think it is. I think what happens is that a service worker (or sex worker) will complain about one specific customer and then people sort of take it to mean they just dislike all or most of their customers when its actually just venting about that one specific person.
LMAO CC thinks I go after anybody that disagrees but that is patently false. I only troll trolls.
The way I explain that, and cardi b, and jersey shore is ... any guy pretending to be a girl would say such things. In fact, it's all so obvious that no way a female who was trying to hide being female, would say those things. It's someone pretending they're female; no female trying to be male persona woudl say it
Before Icy Loser comments I have dated plenty of girls when I was single and have had a few fuck buddies in the last few years.
Can somebody tell me where the hell that term cam from or is this some kind of made up phrase?
The hatred towards him on here is unwarranted. He has his own opinions and he sticks to them, but that's about it, the "troll" designation isn't accurate. And believe me, through PMs, I have experienced the fullest extent of his stubbornness, but I still like him. I doubt anyone here has PMed with SJG as much as I have. This forum really wouldn't be the same if he left.
SirLDK... Is just very annoying. There's a reason he is the first person here I have put on ignore.
And you say this based on what...?
Personal opinion...
IceyLoco is a troll and he (or she...) knows it. Who is it? Meh. Who cares. But whoever is sitting at the keyboard is a twat.
SJG is also a troll, but he doesn't know it (Cue "I see dead people..." quote from 'The Sixth Sense'). Also, creepy as fuck.
CC99 is not a troll, but begs for a lot of the abuse he gets. Also, whether you call it 'pranking' or 'trolling', it's being a dick.
SirLapdancelot... not a troll in general, but trolls selectively.
@IceyDodo have you noticed that nobody is attacking Papi_Chulo or TFP for having a different opinion in this thread? The only reason you are supposedly persona non grata is because you are a bonafide troll!
@cc99
Agree or disagree with the community is never my issue.
It's all good fun.
However, if you really don't have experience or first hand knowledge of an issue, it's probably better to not comment just for the sake of commenting.
For example, I was given advice on SGs in TJ by someone who has never been to TJ or been with a SG.
>However, if you really don't have experience or first hand knowledge of an issue, it's probably better to not comment just for the sake of commenting.<
When has that ever stopped an idiot from displaying their ignorance lol
LOL...
I know but I thought @CC might get it... Lol
Lol..."like a little kid at the adult dinner party that wants to be the center of attention"
That's too accurate, imo.
It's not really thread jacking. Every successful thread will organically move to new topics if that's the direction it is heading in. By your definition, all of my threads get "threadjacked" but I've never cared if that happened. You have to let threads take a new direction if that's where it's heading in.
I've had a lot of people, not just SJG and IceyLoco tell me they think I make a lot of good threads. Sometimes it's good to bring a kid to the dinner party because they ask questions the adults haven't thought of before.
Thread jacking is when the geriatric circle jerk club takes over a thread for the sole purpose of attacking people with differing opinions and experiences. Or maybe they have dementia and act out online.
I've never really paid much attention to the age of the person I'm talking to. I'm on another forum where I'm one of the older members actually. It doesn't feel that different though besides the fact that it's for a very different hobby so people's views on things are very different. Still I'll talk to a 16 year old the same way I talk to a 21 year old or a 50 year old.
Now let’s get back to praising strippers for their many positive attributes
Also I LOL every time I think of IceyDodo paying for VIP access on the site for the sole purpose of trolling what he called the "circle jerk". ROFLMAO she actually PAID out of pocket to threadjack!
That's really not threadjacking because you made the topic about me "being a brat." Truthfully, I don't know why you have this much of a problem with me because I'm pretty nice to you whenever we do talk. I don't believe I've ever insulted you. I am very opinionated but that's pretty much it, I disagree with SJG on things all the time but I still like him, I still enjoy talking to him.
But yes, if there's something we can agree on, its that most strippers have a lot of very positive character traits and attributes. I think I will always have a soft spot for strippers given many of the sweet girls I've met who were one. I can say for sure that our lives would not be the same if they didn't exist.
Also I've always been open to the possibility of your theory on "her". I totally see your point about her being a past troll, but note that I never claimed that she's a run-of-the-mill SW girl. She's just as obsessed about trolling as you who you surmise her to really be. And I just think writing style is hard to fake when you cross genders. So that is why I still have high confidence that she's a woman or at the very least she's a highly effeminate man. Regardless, I'm glad we are aligned in that she's a troll and has always had that intention. Plus it's just fun game to figure her out.
^ ROFLMAO!!! You are incapable of even seeing all your own issues. Kinda like a brat. LOL
You got yourself banned once and haven't learned your lesson you are heading towards becoming a complete outcast, like SJG and Icee the trainwreck if you don't learn to listen, remember god gave you two ears and one mouth, that tells you that you should listen twice as much as you talk.
This is a classic example of your myopic and subjective way of thinking. It's kinda immature and bratty. LMAO.
TBH I think a lot of them are jealous of CC99. Its inane to hate on him for liking and doing the same things they do... They're jealous he's young enough to do it without viagra, without cheating on a wife, and will be mongering at least 30 years after they're dead....
And TBH IceyDodo keeps trolling like she did when she joined. LOL she sounds like she has no issues with a young trick like Beta CCuck but if it's an old trick it's a different story. LMAO @ the hypocrisy!
To stir the pot a little, I'll tell you that the first time I started seeing the term "echo chamber" thrown about, it was when the troll activity was at a high, and we were arguing with founder about whether the site needed moderation. It came from none other than nicespice, evidently panicking that her 25 troll accounts would get shut down :) It eventually got picked up by some of the other trolls, it is in fact only a term used by the trolls here for the most part, and as you can see, Icey still uses it. Food for thought for those of you who think there's a female stripper behind Icey
Don't confuse you being outed as a troll with anything else. It's that simple and has nothing to do with any circle jerk which is the strawwoman part of your argument.
https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php…
The prequel that inspired js69’s thread (somebody making a joke that wasn’t well received):
https://www.tuscl.net/app/discussion.php…
What I specifically said about echo chamber...
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“If this site ever turned into an echo chamber, then I will just go back to hanging out more often at the tumblr echo chamber with fellow strippers. And while there is more reliable content quality, the echo chamber makes for a strong misandrist bent that I find off-putting.
...and btw tumblr doesn’t do much with moderation either. But strippers I guess are better at ignoring trolls? Or maybe it’s the format of the site that makes trolling harder?
So I think moderation is dicey. But here are some alternative ideas:”
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As for that comment I made back then. I was concerned about moderation specifically because moderators are individuals.
And on this board, many individuals (me included) will get all bent out of shape over one style of trolling but have a “live and let live” viewpoint of another troll.
For example, if I was a moderator I may have a particular bias against misogynistic posts and get more delete/banhappy over that.
If Papi was a moderator he may have a bias against the idea of locking down dancers against all circumstances.
If muddy9 was a moderator he may have a bias against those who advocate against customers who give overactive lapdances.
Etc.
...But as it turned out, having a separate VIP board I guess created some kind of change anyways, perhaps symbolic. But even that wasn’t fool proof as the Dugan/DocE beef proved.
Then when others (DC, SJG, pistola) complained about the echo chamber aspect, I didn’t participate in that.
Now that I think about it, I didn’t think I was the one who coined this phrase. But if I really did, then holy cow! In light of SJG telling me that I was “aiding the trolls” and Icey claiming that “I manipulate these tricks into trolling”...then that would elevate me into a troll nirvana realm. Smash that like button! xD
LMAO the irony in this statement is palpable.
Trish is rite