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6 years ago
Okay, I guess we now know which of the two trolls above is nicespice, and which is dougster :)
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6 years ago
-->"I can’t believe cattle calls do much to generate income for the club. "
I dunno Cash, most of the time after a cattle call, close to 100% of the girls sell dances (due to the 2-for-1 promise)... and who knows how many of those girls get their customer to keep going after that. I honestly have no idea whether it generates marginal extra money for the club, or whether it's just driving dances that would have eventually happened anyway, but not beyond belief that it's a little jumpstart.
Of course, the joke here is, in nearly every club that does this, they cut the songs short on the 2-for-1, so it ends up being more like 1.5 for one at most. The clubs just can't abide the idea that the customer might be pleased at the experience he's getting, for the extra 60 seconds. Just reinforces the idea that management cares just as much about "hustling", as they do about business.
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6 years ago
Paul... okay, that's weird. My strippers would always say, "I have a customer already, sorry", and walk back to me. I don't understand why your girl isn't doing that. She's for some insane reason obligated to go with any customer who asks? Sounds fishy.
In my fave club, if the girl was in a VIP, she didn't have to go up for the cattle call. So if the timing worked out, I'd take her into the VIP just as the girls were getting notified of the cattle call; they always seem appreciative for getting "saved" from it.
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6 years ago
Paul, I don't think I've ever been hanging out with a stripper, she's gone up for the cattle call, and then didn't just come down and straight over to me for the 2-for-1 if that's what I wanted (sometimes I didn't want a dance right then, and I'd just tell her to get a dance with someone else and then come back). Why can't the girls just come back to you after the cattle call, and at least give you right of first refusal?
All the girls I know despise the cattle call and find it demeaning. I have to admit I like the cattle calls as a way to see all the dancers at once. But in the clubs I go to, they only do them when it's crowded, and I only do slow dayshifts, so haven't seen one in years
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6 years ago
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LiwetIf she walks away smiling, you spent too much.
-->"For instance, if you used a really awesome condom with a girl, is it acceptable to put up an Amazon link to it in the review?"
I'm guessing someone has just been sponsored by Extra Small Condom Company
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6 years ago
-->"You need to keep your best strippers happy. Part of that is treating them well, like flexible work schedule. Another part is giving them an environment where they can earn, like letting them do what works for them in VIP and on the floor."
Mark, this is a good theory, but in practice (and I'm guessing some strippers can confirm), there are lots of very successful clubs where the strippers are treated atrociously -- but the girls stay, because they make so much money. "Keeping the best strippers happy", like anything else, isn't as simple as "you have to do X, Y, and Z". There is no general rule that in clubs that are super successful, the girls are treated the best (beyond $$$).
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6 years ago
On every forum I"ve been on, except this one, Monger = someone who sees escorts (or maybe goes to AMPs) only, it never means strip club patrons. This is the only forum I've been on where people sometimes use "monger" for strip club patrons. Still, I'd prefer verified/unverified PL, or even Clubber (apologies to the actual Clubber), or almost anything except monger. The fact that we're NOT mongers is what makes the conversation interesting here. Just some side bitching, in the end, it's in the "don't sweat the small stuff" bucket
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6 years ago
-->""It’s all about the stripper. Some managers know how to attract and keep good talent." then you go on to state "provide an environment where they can consistently earn." which one is it? The quantity and quality of the customer (provide an environment where they can consistently earn) is equally as important as the dancers.... good quality dancer will go where the money is to be made. Chicken vs egg argument."
I think that's right on. This is clearly a feedback loop. My gut feel is that the stripper side of the equation is a bit more important, but it is absolutely the case that no matter how well the strippers are being treated, the hottest ones will follow the money even if they're not treated well. Customers do go where the attractive strippers are, but they also go where they are getting the experience they want. I've seen examples of all of these: clubs with not so hot strippers but draw lots of customers, clubs with hot strippers but don't draw lots of customers due to the experience (these eventually often eventually end with not-so-hot strippers), clubs that treat the girls really badly but have hot lineups because the girls make so much (that is, the club is drawing high spending customers). There's a lot more going on than "it's only about the strippers", it is definitely more than that, even if the strippers are the most important ingredient.
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6 years ago
-->"Escorts where I live with similar looks to the strippers I like right now charge anywhere from $300 to $600 an hour, and usually booked very tightly. Last two strippers I saw both wanted $200 for an OTC meeting for as long as we felt like."
You've made some points that fit my experience as well.
While it's true that it's possible to pay less for a meh-escort vs a hot stripper (say, $200 vs $350-$500+room), escorts that are stripper hot are charging $600-$1000 in this area. So, it is not true, at least in my area, that for similarly hot women, escorts are cheaper than strippers absolutely. And when you factor in time -- 1 hour strictly timed (often MINUS shower time) for an escort, vs typical 4 hours to overnight for the stripper -- it's not even in the same ballpark when judged as cost per hour
So, depending on the area, and assuming you want similar hotness in the stripper and the escort, OTC is more fun and less expensive, often absolutely, and always cost/hour. The only advantage the escort has in price, is if you are willing to go down a couple notches in looks ... then, there are definitely lower-cost escort options.
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6 years ago
If you hadn't tipped her, you can be sure you would have been mentioned during the airing of grievances
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6 years ago
-->"I'm friends with my ATF on Facebook and it is definitely her main account but there's no references to stripping anywhere on it. Its just her normal life."
The millennial strategy here is: Facebook is for family (and friends, including straight-laced friends), so they're relatively more mild and paint a picture of just a regular girl. Snapchat and Instagram are for friends only, and wild or sexy pics/stories will show up there. Snapchat DM is for sexting. Has been a very consistent pattern the past 5+ years
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6 years ago
-->"You forgot to break out the code book for today and see that L1 service is washing his car windows and L2 was checking the tire inflation on his spare"
What's the code for checking my oil. If you know what I'm saying. And I think you do.
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6 years ago
-->"With every fave I've had, social media is mostly for seeing her pics."
I should back out of that a little, it sounds a bit too passive. Yes, Instagram, and her snapchat story, are for seeing her pics. But the real benefit of snapchat is that the girls seem particularly generous and care-free about sending pics to just you; partially because of the illusion of "he can't save it"
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6 years ago
With every fave I've had, social media is mostly for seeing her pics. Everything else, from making appointments at the club, to casual conversation, is done through texting.
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6 years ago
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founderslip a dollar in her g-string for me
gmd-->"This thread seems to have (d)evolved into a graphic illustration of why light moderation might not be a horrible idea, irrespective of any intent to keep strippers around."
I just peeked in this thread for the first time; mostly keeping away because I feel like as long as founder steadfastly refuses to implement the one tool that actually works on forums and even reddit subs (which is absolutely his right), this is all navel contemplating. Guys are doing backflips coming up with a zillion methods, many of which trolls can work around, all to get around the fact that the one thing that could actually work is already ruled out.
Ish-->""If it bothers you that much use ignore for the aliases that bother you most."
The ignore feature does nothing for new and potentially good contributors (both dancers and customers) who come here and see a hot mess of trolling and juvenile drama. Also, it makes some threads indecipherable when unblocked users are interacting with blocked users. "
Exactly all of this. I can't imagine how many potentially interesting contributors have been scared away by the forum as it is. "Just use ignore" has, in my experience, never worked on any internet forum, ever -- but the folks who are enjoying trolling love to say it.
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6 years ago
Do not enjoy escorts. Love strippers and strip clubs.
Escorts vs Stripper OTC: Strippers are hotter, OTC costs far FAR less for time spent, I've already met the stripper ITC and know I'm crazy about her -- seeing how close an escort looks to her pics is always a surprise (not in a good way), and strippers are far less professional (in a very good way) in their interactions, OTC far more fun with drinking, partying, SCing, and other carrying on. There's exactly one advantage of an escort: she'll be there at your appointment time, with the stripper you never know if she'll show.
There's no real comparison of escorts vs stripper ITC: the two experiences are miles apart. I just happen to love being in a strip club, I like that I can (and do) make it a social event and SC with my buddies, etc.
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6 years ago
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aham5I've got a bad feeling about this.
According to every stripper I know, which girl the bouncer sends over is heavily dependent on which girls tip him best. In a busy club, especially on weekends, many girls will be cultivating working relationships with the bouncers. Basically, you're tipping him to send you his business associate. He may do some pattern matching -- if you ask for a big-bootied brunette, he might not bring you his spinner blonde, but the big-bootied brunette who he DOES bring, will be the one who has the best business relationship with him (i.e., the biggest hustler), not the "best" girl. It's a sucker move to think the bouncer is your friend in the situation where it's a new club; he's a guy who (understandably) is looking to make some $ both from you and the girl. Ditto everyone else in the club.
Equation changes if you're a regular who spends some time building up connections ITC. I've gotten very good advice from bouncers & managers in that case.
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6 years ago
-->"Am I the only one who just doesn't care if there's a financial element to girls' motives? "
I don't mind. Hell, I depend on it, otherwise I might have 0 stripper FWBs ever. In fact, it's probably often a factor, to some extent or other, in all relationships.
The "I have feelings for her and I need to know for sure" guys might have a different view. And, BTW, I'm pretty open that I really really like all my CFs and ATFs, quite a bit... it's just not romantic love
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6 years ago
Right. FWB and/or dating does NOT mean she doesn't also have a financial motive. If the question is, can you FWB or date a stripper if you're her customer first, my answer is: that's the ONLY way most 50 year olds will get to FWB or date a stripper, and even then, the odds are low. But if the question is, is she in love with you romantically, just for you? Well, that's not likely regardless of whether you PUA'ed her or regular'ed her into the relationship: your $, stability, and lifestyle is at least part of the attraction.
I'll say again, the answer to OP's question is: if you have feelings for a dancer, you shouldn't even be asking this question, you should be running. The reason I made my point about regulars is because of the PUA and pimp nonsense that's repeated here -- for any lurkers, you don't have to believe that stuff
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6 years ago
Every stripper I've become friends-with-benefits or borderline dated, I met and spent money on her in the club, and was arguably her regular before we transitioned. I know any number of folks who have similar stories. In all cases, I did feel pursued by her early on, beyond just a stripper pursuing her ATM.
For the most part, I view the guys saying "once you pay you can never be anything but a customer" to either be just regurgitating PUA lines or otherwise just don't have enough SC experience to know otherwise. In fact, the notion that the typical 50-ish PL here, could possibly meet a stripper anywhere but the club, and have her spend time on him initially without some payback, is what seems to be downright delusional, or something only a PUA client could believe. Maybe for a handsome 25-year-old guy, going into the club and not spending money on her could work, I dunno.
That said, my handful of experiences are all pretty much "by accident", they just happened, and may well never happen again. I certainly didn't look for them. But more importantly, Muddy9's original question was around a dancer for whom you have "feelings"; that's the "here be dragons" part of the map. If you have feelings, break it off and find something else to do -- the whole discussion should discouraging him from ever going back
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6 years ago
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SubramanCar key and wallet dating your sister
-->"i have not called a dancer yet..."
Good, no dancer in the universe wants you to call her. Text only, heavier on business to set up ITC or OTC
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6 years ago
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SubramanCar key and wallet dating your sister
-->"If you have a strippers number and text her about meeting ITC, how quick do expect a response? Do you take crickets as her being too busy?"
I think "Expect" is the wrong word, it makes it sound douchey. My experience is that it varies by stripper quite a lot, some just in general respond to customers more quickly than others. If it's crickets, it could be because she's busy, or because she can't be bothered right now, or because she checked the text and decided to respond later but then forgot about it (and because she's a stripper, her phone is always getting blown up, so by 6 hours later your text is 3 pages down in her text app and she never sees it). In the case of ATFs where there's a long time confirmed business relationship, they tend to either respond very quickly, or else it's a crapshoot as to whether they respond hours later or not at all. With strippers who I've only seen a few times, it's all over the map
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6 years ago
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SubramanCar key and wallet dating your sister
che, you're preaching to the choir. You aren't thinking that tusclers are the guys blowing up strippers' phones? I imagine most of us find it the best way to get the experience we're looking for (in my case, to the point that I'm not interested in building up a stripper/regular thing with a stripper who won't give me her #)
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6 years ago
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SubramanCar key and wallet dating your sister
Yeah, I'm with you GMD -- I don't ask until at the end of our first visit, so if she's refusing after we've done VIPs, etc, it's a different ball of wax. I don't blame the girls for doing some basic qualifying first
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6 years ago
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SubramanCar key and wallet dating your sister
-->"I'm not sure I'd be totally turned off by a "no, but I'm here on Thurs-Mon" kind of a response. It does put her in the "maybe I'll see her, maybe I won't" category. I'm not really going to "plan" on going to see a stripper who may or may not be there and may or may not be available. At best, she may be a consideration to go to one club over another or maybe make a stop on my way back from somewhere kind of thing. If I do go, and she's there, and we have a good time, and she gives me her number, I may text her next time I'm looking for a good time. "
That's pretty much exactly where I am. Knowing her schedule is of little help. First, strippers miss their scheduled days very commonly. And hey, even if I tell her, "Oh, you're workign next Wed? great, see you then", well, things come up at work and I might have to change days; if I don't have her number to text her, now I'm the flake. She's opportunistic until she gives me her #. And there are so many strippers who give their #s, there's a pretty good chance I'll already have an appointment with someone else, when I run into her next.
-->"I don't do snapchat/facebook/instagram, so I can't really comment on those. A few girls have asked me to add them on those platforms, but mostly after we've been exchanging texts for a while. Very few have offered it up initially as an alternative to txt. "
Seems to be more common in places like Vegas, where every hot girl wants to "build her brand". But I do run into it even out here. I'm fine being on her brand snapchat or whatever; but the real dividends come if she promotes you to personal insta/snap.
-->"the vast majority of the money I've spent on strippers has been a direct result of me having her number. In some cases I initiate, in some cases they do. But in any case, most of my SC $ are spent after a txt exchange. So, those strippers are definitely making money because of giving out their number."
Me too, but definitely selection bias for me -- I've specifically consciously chosen to run my PL life via appointments; so nearly every $ I spend money on is a stripper whose number I have, and I rarely spend money on a stripper who doesn't give me her number when I ask.