Comments by Book Guy (page 5)

@ww yeah I glanced thru the reviews you're right, "Nobody comes to Chicago for the stripclubs". LOL. What's the closest driving destination with good clubs? It can't be that you have to go all the way to Inkster / Detroit, can it?

I think most of these stories aren't "simping" they're just "having a good time at a price." The mis-impression, of believing the girls "really liked" the customer, was there; but I don't consider that being a full-on "simp." For me, "simp" would mean, actually shelling out way too much money and effort, on the utterly false understanding that you're paying a proper amount and that the girl and you really do "get along" in a civilian way, that she doesn't just want your money. So, to "simp" isn't the same, as hanging with four dancers at the bar and buying their drinks, IMO. Many of us have done that. But we don't expect to date them without paying for their time, or somehow believe we're not "paying customers." Paying for their drinks may even be required at some clubs. There really aren't many really simping stories on this thread, it seems to me. I'm trying to come up with my own most simping past behaviors. I actually had the advantage of knowing about TER and CER and (IIRC) TUSCL -- The Erotic Review, Canadian Erotic Review, and this site -- very early in their appearance on the internet. Throughout the 1990s I was associated with major universities so I had very early internet access. I did go to just a few strip clubs before I read about them on the internet, but not many. I guess I got lucky, because the ones that I attended without internet advice were high-service anyway; and then I could use the internet to avoid the rip-offs and really maximize my experiences. This means I was basically inoculated against simping at strip clubs early in my clubbing. I'm sure I simped, probably very badly, in some other type of context -- civilian dates, or at some non-strip-club places, or something. But I'm not coming up with good stories in my recollection.

There have been semi-official TUSCL meetups in the past. I recall intending to go to one (IIRC it was to be in Detroit) but something at work got in the way at the last minute. On another occasion, I heard from a few mongers in person via TUSCL PM system when I was in Tampa Bay area in 2017 or there-about, but we never managed to actually encounter one another. We missed each other partly due to reticence on my part, partly on theirs; I went to one or two of the clubs they suggested but nobody matched their descriptions. There's somewhat a distinction between a different ways of meeting. There's a "meetup" where everybody has agreed, well in advance, to dedicate a given weekend for a trip across the country (usually via airplane flight) to a particular city and set of clubs (dunno if "meetup" ought to be the official term, call it whatever you want). Then there's a more individual encounter, where two or three given mongers contact one another last-minute via personal-messaging. I'd like to schedule something for the Pompano Beach area. I need an excuse, and I need cover, so if anyone's going to be there, help me out. I don't play golf so that won't be a plausible excuse. Some kind of conference or community service project or something ...

I'm hit her, yeah, but not my ideal. So I'd want a low-ish price, which I suspect is not her target market.

Logged in just to be the first to point out Biden's withdrawal, but two of you got here before me. Anybody want to travel with me to Chicago? Shit's gonna be interesting! What are the clubs like in Chicago? I used to live there in the 80s, but hadn't taken the pill yet ...

@RonJax2 exactly, looking forward to the effort-post. :) I saw a few weeks ago someone (can't remember) comparing four body-types. There was A1 thin but soft, A2 thin but toned, B1 chunky but soft, B2 chunky but (supposedly) toned. I found only A2 attractive. Most respondents were discussing whether B1 and B2 were adequately distinguished, whereas for me, they were simply overweight. I recall in the early early days of the internet, literally 1995 or 1997, there was a website called baberank or something like that. You were on dialup, you had to watch the pictures load slowly. Bzzzzzzpongpong-ooooeeee remember that sound? Anyway, the owner would post Playboy models and we'd all vote and the new ranking (cumulative, with an all-time leader and weekly and monthly leaders) would arrive next week. I was a regular participant. Shae Marks was the leading all-time when the site got busted for copyright infringement. It would be great to try to set something up like that again.

I am OK with the typical Latina appearance, but it's not my preference. The short waist, short neck, typically thicker ass, and so forth, aren't the body type I would ideally prefer. Among Latinas, I'd have to say that generally the Colombian attitude seems most preferable to me, as long as I actually have my stereotypes right. I don't complain about the mercenary attitude of most Cubans, I just know it's what I'm going to get and work within those restrictions. Here in NOLa I think we have all the ugly Cubanas. There are usually about 20 dancers on a given heavy night at the clubs I might frequent, among with there might be 5 or 8 Cubans, but they're all fat-assed and waggly. They're short and can't walk in tall heels and have a sort of squat set of haunches that remind me of those Gnome characters from World of Warcraft. Stumpy. These women are not just Latina, they're specifically Cuban. I go much more for the lithe ballerina look, so I haven't given them the chance to dance for me. I honestly think most customers really don't want to, except for the fact that they're reliably high-service.

Regarding the first "simp." Yeah, simp. I might pay a $1200 fee for a longer session with someone who both (a) looked physically close to my ideal and (b) clicked inter-personally with me. For that amount of money, the session would require full service and multiple pops. If she wants to charge that much for only one go, I'm not going to hire her. And I'd have to already have some degree of established rapport before agreeing to the session, so that I knew she and I had an inter-personal click already. I think the biggest disappointment with the simp guy is the disparity. The problem isn't that he had a good time for a high price -- he's allowed to do that. The problem is that, as implied by the OP's knowledge of the situation, the simp could have gotten so much more for that price or for a lot less. If the going rate was that high, maybe he's not a simp. The going rate was a lot lower. That disparity between what most guys COULD get, as opposed to what the one guy DID get, is what gets me to call him a simp. Regarding the stolen-back money ("stolen"? remunerated?) reported by @ReadyToMonger. I think that's very risky, though I'm glad you got the ultimate victory, getting the money back and then some. Generally anybody who promises X, and knows the customers reasonably expect X, should therefore deliver X. Messing with that time-honored system puts you beyond the pale. Personally I wold have been worried that they would know my car license plate, would find me, and would sic their mob friends on me. That kind of direct-theft isn't really approved by the tough types of people who run clubs. I have had a few tangential experiences with club security, just watching them deal with other people, and I'm sure it would not be polite. Ideally you should have left town because you didn't live there, and should have been driving a rental.

@RonJax2 if a 10 is so-and-so number of standard deviations from the norm, what is a UNIT? Seriously, you sound like you understand statistics. When there's a UNIT of deviation, what does that represent? If the "ideal" weight for a particular height is (f.e.) 120 pounds, and therefore we assign 10 value to 120 pounds, what do we assign to either 115 pounds or 125 pounds? Do we assign 9.5s, or 9s, or 8s? I have a hard time figuring out HOW FAR a given standard deviation should go. I can't apply statistical analysis accurately. I have a more intuitive way to do things, generally. I like 10s, but I never see them. I always want to fuck 9s and 8s. 9s can be dumb as bricks, I don't care, they're hot. 8s need a little bit on the ball. The 7s are sometimes disappointments visually, but the can improve my demeanor by means of their behavior, attitude, intelligence, etc.. It would take a lot of cajoling and ideal interaction for me to be interested in a 6. 5s and lower aren't dancing, 6s shouldn't be.

Yeah I'm not too impressed with "testimony before congressional inquiry panel" style. They don't tend to get much done except perform their talking points and then demand the witness do better next time. Does anyone on this TUSCL board have actual security and policing background? It seems to me, but I'm extremely uninformed, it seems to me that this was a serious screw-up. They seem to have left entirely unsecured, an elevated building, 150 yards from the podium, and ignored a disheveled young male in battle garb walking around looking for a good place to shoot from? I don't think the politicians are "motherfucking trash," a lot of them have come from a background in something apropos (community service or business, f.e., of one sort or another) and started out with a genuine desire to "fix things" and do what's best. Lots of local-level and state-level politicians whom I know really view their political service as a necessary headache -- they're like, "well, damn, the good people of Bumblefuck and Tweezernips need my help, and if I don't do it, then that asshole lunatic Mergus McTweedy is going to get reelected because he's running unopposed and he'll just screw things up even worse. I could go home to a nice quiet retirement off my fifty million I made in business, but instead I gunna occupy a four-year span of my life with committee work and ground-breaking ceremonies and excruciatingly detailed accounting spreadsheets for the Federal Elections Commission oversight." What happens after all that good intention, though, is that they get there and can't work within the established, entrenched systems. There's no way to cut through. They don't have the authority to simply overturn required procedures. At least, that's my perception. We're too big and have been around too long and even the good people admit that the juggernaut is VERY hard to redirect.

Puddy, I agree with most of your analysis of, f.e., what's wrong with the Democratic party, historically and at present, what needs to be done for a variety of national concerns and problems, what Biden did wrong with the border, especially the problem with identity-politics and woke-ness taking precedence over policy-making, etc.. Yup, all with ya. I just don't see that Trump has demonstrated any reason for me to believe Trump will do those good things. If he gets elected and then he will, in fact, do those things, like he says he will, and he has good plans for accomplishing those things, then yes, more power to him, I'm glad for him and for the country. I hope he would if he does get elected. But, sadly, I don't buy it. He's lied his way this far, he's led an insurrection, Project 2025 makes clear what the real agenda is. He talks a good game, full of falsehoods, is my impression. After having listened to him and his verbal style, sentence by sentence tone, and over-all off-script rambling, I've got serious concerns about his mental stability. I've heard the shrinks say he ticks all the boxes for various disorders and now I believe them. I can't defend Biden, he may be too old, I'm not saying here that either is necessarily a better choice. I'm just indicating my distrust of Trump, based on past record and, now, based on present affect style and perception of psychological malady. Example. I'm not averse to (f.e.) a bipartisan border deal, but Republicans have consistently squelched that idea, especially when Biden came up with one. If Trump will command his minions to vote in favor of their own bill, rather than (as he did) commanding them to torpedo it, then good, we'll get a bipartisan border bill. I would hope that this would happen, and I don't really care who gets the credit. I'm a "liberal" about immigration (I don't believe that there's a flood of criminals and drug dealers, f.e.) but I'm well aware that our border system is screwed up and needs significant congressional legislation to fix it. I simply do not have much faith that Trump will actually do this. I haven't seen anything that says "you can trust me to do those things", only things that say "this should be done" and "I'm an excellent choice to do those things." So you see my conundrum. I'm not posting here to argue about who is better, I'm just explaining the single specific point that I don't trust that the good stuff will be done by Trump. Sounds great in isolation, spoken in advance; but hasn't made me believe he'll actually do it. Sure sure they're all advertisers, they're all liars at heart, why would I distrust Trump more than any other choice? Project 2025, past record, insurrection.

I pick the spinner. According to the internet, Lynda Carter was 5 foot 9+ inches (176 cm), 122 lbs (55 kg) Bo Derek was 5 foot 3+ inches (160 cm), 125 lbs (57 kg) Lynda is much taller but slightly lighter in weight, so the internet claims. But in all the pictures I could find, Bo looks like she has weight distribution roughly equal to or less than Lynda's, so, presuming Bo is shorter, she must have weighed less than Lynda. Available data is therefore indeterminate. I would have to get private dances before I could really make my final choice.

I found it rambling and psychotic. I had never listened through an entire Trump monolog before. He's clearly deranged, the cooing voice and the weird compulsive lying. Economy claims? False. Immigration claims? False. European war claims? False. Justice department claims? False. But I didn't know he did it so blithely, as though he were completely comfortable making such an ass of himself. The claims for improving on inflation, border, growth, flashpoints, are all good plans. I hope whoever gets elected will do those things. I didn't really get much of a sense that Trump knew how to do them, just that he intended to "make everything better." I think that's the OP's point, that there weren't really many policy statements, just aspirations. It's OK to aspire, the great unwashed mass of people need aspirational leaders. But vagueness only takes me, personally, a little distance. The rest of the distance is going to have to be more ... umm ... factual. I personally don't support Biden very strongly, and I'm on good record here saying I'm frustrated as heck with the Democratic party (for about two decades now!). But Trump ain't doing much to bring me along to his side. Also hello Project 2025 run screaming

Yeah being alone at the exact time that something debilitating happens can be a very bad situation. I knew an older guy around here who never really had any health problems, but he had no kids, his wife had died a long time ago and he had lived alone for a few decades. He was active in his church but, knowing him and his attitude, he was also probably mongering with the best of us PLs. Never spotted him at a local strip club but I wouldn't have been surprised. I would run into him when we both used to do live-model figure-drawing whenever someone in the arts scene organized a model. He used to regularly announce that he had never taken medication and he hoped never to have to. I hadn't seen him in a while, his church checked in on him because he was missing, turns out he choked to death in his own kitchen. Just having dinner probably, though there were some reports that he had also had a stroke. It seems like a damn stupid, very frustrating way to go. So like the OP in this thread, I worry a bit about that sort of thing too. I don't really think that having a wife is an adequate trade-off, given all the other ancillary implications of that kind of relationship, but having a help-mate in the old-folks' house when you're ageing is certainly one of the advantages. I've wondered if it would be possible to build up an Epicurean center of some sort. Eight or ten like-minded people who all own a small bungalow-house, and then nearby in the center there's a group-sized dining hall and communal living center. If you get to pick all your friends to be at this location, it sounds great. If you are stuck in this location by your family and you don't get to pick your cell-mates, it sounds like prison. Or like a typical senior citizens' rest home. In my Epicurean imagination, we'd gather to watch the Euros and the World Cup, we could go off on monger trips either together or on our own ("gone fucking" placard left on the front doorknob), and we'd cook interesting meals and sit around and shoot the shit in the pleasant moonlit evenings by the pool. I would like to be able to organize it but I don't have the money to build the whole damn thing, and the only people I know who would want to be part of it happen, damn my luck, to all be older women. Like, High School or College classmates, they're OK people, but the constant mongering that I intend to insert into my retirement would put them off I'm sure. Or even if it didn't, I don't think I would want to share the details with them anyway.

I absolutely disagree with Chris Rock, I think you SHOULD be the old guy at the club, just don't be the old guy who ACTS OLD at the club. Don't try to fit in with the young kids, don't try to dress like the latest style, but do determine what is timeless enough that it applies to you and to the young kids. For fashion, generally, a black suit with narrow-ish lapels is a good guess. Something that crosses age boundaries. Now figure out the behavior to go with it.

I find them all to be miserable movies. Obvious, predictable, too short, too dependent on cliche, never a surprise in the bunch, just as bad as porn except the girls aren't naked.

Hey yeah, ya know what, I agree 5footguy, real 10s don't work in strip clubs. I'm going to have to re-calibrate my entire rating system. Do you think that maybe in the past they did? Maybe in the 90s when high-service stripping was the biggest money a girl could get on looks alone, maybe then there were 10s in the strip clubs? I dunno, gotta reconsider ...

Sophia not Sunny ... got confused there ...

Question of which language she speaks -- most Byelorussian and Ukrainian people I know (in civilian life) spoke Russian growing up, either as a first language or, less often, as the necessary second language for schooling and career. I have a friend who is a mathematics professor from Minsk who doesn't understand Byelorussian well enough to read it. ("Byelorussian" "Belarus" which one is right nowadays?)

I am a "Progressive" (Left Wing) voter. But I agree, working-class Americans have been much better woo'ed and won by the current Republican party than by the current Democrat party. I would want, in my ideal world, that the Democrats did both (a) a better job at fulfilling the needs of working-class Americans and (b) a better job at advertising that they have done so. Currently they don't. In theory, it's upside-down. In theory, the Republican party, whose platform claims to be working towards (among other things) small government and for private-property rights, should essentially privilege capital (business and ownership) interests over labor interests. In theory, the Democrat party, whose platform claims to be working (among other things) via large government towards restrictions on business, should essentially privilege labor interests over capital interests. Neither party is playing by those theories. Social conservatism, the woke-versus-antiwoke divide, and so on, mean that the Republican party rightly gains the support of many working-class citizens. They'd be unhappy, in the Democrat theory, if some of their social-welfare checks went away and their employers were more and more free to extort greater work for lesser remuneration from them. In theory, to that pitfall the Republican would argue, that a "rising tide lifts all ships" and therefore if the businesses are benefiting then the workers will see that benefit in better wages and working conditions. In theory. I vote Left with much chagrin. I am profoundly disappointed in the way that the Democrat party has abandoned the Labor movement and working-class interests in favor of the "elite" cadre of insider policy-makers. I understand why labor leaders see the Republican party as a better choice for themselves right now. What accounts for the change? Historically, when did it come about? Who's to blame for the Democrats losing Big Labor? Or can you just credit long-term Republican strategy and intelligent cultivation of their base?

Only if you're dancing.

On the subject of rating the girl, here's what my own numbers mean. First, I try to tell myself "there is no such thing as a 10 in reality." The 10 is an ideal in the mind's eye. I give the hottest girl at the hottest club on the hottest night, ever, about a 9.5. Then I adjust everyone else downwards accordingly. I also think that MOST viable strippers are in the 7, 8, and 9 range. Girls who are 6s and below are simply not stripping. In general, if the whole human female population were plotted on a bell curve with a standard deviation type distribution, I believe any human who fell into that curve's 50th or 60th percentiles would simply be NOT A DANCER. You could fix the NOT A DANCER problem by saying that you're rating the girls who are actually in the club, in which case you could assign a full distribution. The ugliest would be the 1, the hottest the 10, and you'd work your way inwards from there, perhaps redistributing toward the middle (as in bell curve example, above) or perhaps giving a linear distribution. I don't think this (comparing strictly to girls within the club, not to everybody) is very sensible, but it might be something which other guys are doing, or even if they don't think they're doing it, they might be assuming parts of it within their calculus. Essentially, I believe I "know" what most people's range of 9s and 8s are. There are standard characteristics, but variation within the model. I think when you get to 7 or lower, it's much more idiosyncratic to the viewer. Also, ever noticed how frickin' wonky the women's assessments of each other tend to be. Aside from extremely long-term strippers who have learned, probably through difficult experience, what most guys respond to, I believe most women really focus MUCH more on face and make-up than most guys do. I look at body. People on this thread attest to looking at body. I prefer much much skinnier than most women admit. I think most men on this board, even those men who say they prefer hefty or solid or non-skinny women, are choosing within a much lower range of body-fat than most women would guess.

Had a disappointing time in Clearwater. Had an enjoyable time in Pompano. YMMV.

Assuming your premise and not questioning the set-up behind the question my answer would be roughly that I prefer the enthusiasm with lesser looks. I assume you mean, better service or better looks? But I would really have to define the terms before I could answer completely. For "enthusiasm" I'd rather have a woman with whom I really click. Over-the-top fake-seeming enthusiasm annoys me, but if it's performed in a way that I get along with, then I tend to enjoy it. For a reduction in looks, it depends on what the reduction is. If the body is flabby or fat or loose, then a lesser level of looks will be a deal-breaker and I'll reject her, regardless of whether we click or whether she's enthusiastic. But if the thing that makes her less than perfect is something which, to me, is innocuous, like having a non-standard face, or having very small natural tits to the point of being utterly flat, I would be delighted to enjoy her charms. So, it depends on what type of looks detriment there is. In fact, the reduction in the original question, from a 9/10 to a 5/6, is simply not a question that arises for me. I don't think I've allowed many 5/6 to dance for me ever. I'd have to have a 6/7 or maybe a 7/8 as a bare minimum in the first place. What do you mean by "5/6", someone who is so ugly she shouldn't be dancing, or one of the girls who is excellent looking but doesn't have golden-pussy syndrome?

In my experience, small town strip clubs can have miserably ugly "Wal-Mart waddler" girls or attractive "Daisy Duke" girls. Depends on the club. I pretty much got into this hobby out of a kind of boredom. I needed the bright blinky lights. Maybe it's ADHD or a similar brain condition, basically it's dopamine-seeking and a demand for excess stimulation. I can't survive on just a little stimulation, I have to go get excess of it until something "clicks." I guess I could have gotten into rave-dancing at warehouse clubs, it's somehow similar, you immerse yourself in an enveloping sound-wall and an enveloping lights-barrage until you zone out and your head goes to a different space. I really miss that, the clubs don't do it for me any more. Most have less loud music, less appealing music without tunes (it's all rap, now; rap can't immerse you like something synthesizer / melodic can), not as much of a whiz-bang lights show. I like being in the dark like a sensory-deprivation tank, but with all the excess lighting tricks and sound noises barraging me. So, as Muddy said, people get into it out of a kind of boredom. It's all about over-stimulation. Same with the girls -- who really needs to see forty-eight tits when he can see just two, as long as the first two are nice? But somehow for some reason even if the first two are nice, nevertheless I need to see the forty-six remainder anyway.