article comment
2 months ago
You should read a very similar article I wrote about 8 month ago about ATFs. It is an economic issue though. With leakage to digital, the supply of dancers has shrunk esp since the pandemic. When supply decreases but demand stays, prices go up. So in places with big baller high rollers, the same GFE with ATFs exists. The PL money and highest quality of dancer motivates both to remain in the polyamorous extras filled relationship. But unless you can afford that first class service, you’re getting shitty economy service. (Remember the david spade snl skit with the flight attendants saying buh bye). The transition has been hardest on middle class PLs who used to be able to find ATFs and get GFEs much more frequently when first class was cheaper. What Amazon did to shopping malls after 2007 might be the story of what OF did here after 2019.
article comment
4 months ago
Just want to +1 RiskA and Book Guy. The article is great on covering LDK mechanics, but there is another dimension around attitude and the ATF psychological experience. RiskA's comment about girls who can play us like fiddles rang so true and still sometimes messes with my head (yes pun intended that messes by one head messes with the other one).
On one extreme is a hot ROB who has you at full mast outside VIP, but then due to the ROBIsh behavior turns you off. There's nothing more infuriating or frustrating than a ROB.
On the other extreme is the CF/ATF who seems to say and do all the right things. The emotional fiddle play starts outside of the VIP with cuddling, flirting. Inside the VIP, its the right goldilocks balance of intense and seemingly limitless two-way contact with the right grind pressure at the right time. Its the unnerving and yet intoxicating feeling that an ATF can literally play your mind and body. A memorable LDK starts before the VIP and lasts after the VIP, because of the emotional engagement.
I wish there was more discussion and understanding around the emotional addictiveness of this fiddle play dynamic. I'm still lost as to whether LDKs are about carefully engineering control or about blissfully losing it.
discussion comment
5 months ago
Sheesh, really didn't expect confusion/controversy on mileage definition since its discussed so frequently here: https://tuscl.net/discussion/55178
Appreciate the comments with recent pricing, which was the intent of the thread. Really appreciate comments citing location too because it would be interesting if the recent inflation was much higher in some places than others. I'd guess it's worst on the west coast and northeast, but that's the intent, to understand how much the average pricing has actually gone up.
discussion comment
5 months ago
To respond to requests for more clarity, a simple explanation of the 6 levels might be to map it to the classic mileage dispater codes:
L1 - Low Mileage - One-Way - Dispater 017
L2 - Medium Mileage - Second Base - Dispater 013-016
L3 - High Mileage - Second and a Half Base - Dispater 006-012
X1 - Very High Mileage - Third Base - Dispater 004-005
X2 - Ultra High Mileage - Third and a Half Base - Dispater 002-003
X3 - Super High Mileage - Home Run - Dispater 001
The six level system is simpler than the Dispater system, but is a bit less specific and granular. I could be convinced that L3 and X2 should be broken out further, but it's a tradeoff between specificity and simplicity, and not that relevant to the original question about rough post-inflation costs today.
Ferdinx's point about a $7 service now being $21 was exactly the point I was getting at. I posted a review about a place where the hottest dancer asked for $14/min for an L2 (Posted CSRP was $7/min so I declined but with regrets). It's hard to tell if you're getting ROBd with such aggressive price inflation.
article comment
a year ago
Excellent article with great practices. Strategic seating is a great point. An experienced PL can walk into a club and find it's "blind spots" immediately. The blind spots are the places where you are not exposed to the dollar parade or are sitting in front of the locker room, and yet have full view of the stage and the seats. Pillars and other architecture can be helpful with strategic seating, because it's possible to sit in a way that you can see everyone but everyone cannot quickly spot you in the open.
article comment
a year ago
Great article. I wrote a similar one a while back: https://tuscl.net/article/59040
Despite a 3-4% decrease in number of clubs per year, there is also a 5-6% increase in costs.
It's not about prudes, it's just a vicious economic cycle.
By 2030, the US will have a quarter less clubs, entry cover will be $75, and average VIPs will be $800-1000 per hour. Dejavu and Rick's will become the Pepsi/American/Mariott and Coke/Delta/Hilton of clubs across the US.
As PLs price out and there is more OnlyFans/VR over time, clubs will close, and DJV and Ricks will jack prices up even further. So get your fill today or open a brokerage account to keep up with the prices.
article comment
a year ago
+1 to mogul. There's obvious shit like attractiveness of girl, comfort of the couch/chair/bean bag, music, lighting, bouncer attitude, etc. But it's the GFE factor that creates memories that last forever. The eye contact, devilish grins, playful ribbing, heavy breathing and moaning in your ear, that's what leads to a lighter wallet and lighter balls.
article comment
a year ago
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minnowAny place that interests me.
Wingman can be fun, as long as it's for the right reasons. You are not going to get more mileage per $, because of a wingman in the same way that can happen in the real world. The wingman is just another source of entertainment when you're not busy with a girl, given that much of the time in a club is often waiting time. My preference is meeting wingmen from a list so the relationship with the wingman itself offers the same anonymity as the relationship with the dancer. There's no sense of embarrassment from stories back in the real world and there's no competition. Just a bunch of guys with the same intentions and attitudes out for fun.
article comment
a year ago
You raise a great topic and I'm curious if your drive-in music is similar or different to the music you prefer during a LD? Undoubtedly, the anticipation of the drive-in is a huge part of the experience. Part of it is the uncertainty of whether you will score with an ATF or whether you will strike out with bad luck. Men are clearly animals of adventure and risk, and the drive seems to capitalize on that in some way.
My choice of drive-in music is very different. For me, I replay songs that I've heard inside the club during my best LDs/VIPs. The best 10/10 experience I ever had happened when they were playing Wiz Khalifa's Shell Shocked from the TMNT movie. She was literally synced with the beat of the song. To this day, I shudder whenever I hear that song, because it reminds of an experience that I've never had since then. Likewise, I often play the same playlist on the drive back, reliving some of the best moments from the night.
Good post, music definitely matters, pre, during, and post being in the club. The music is sometimes one of the few things you can take between "the real world" and the club, though, I still remain confused which of the two worlds is actually real and which one is fake.
- Barer bones Vegas club but fun can be had if you're patient
The black light is definitely an issue post-VIP in this club. :) Can you describe anything else about the dancer since you can't remember her name? How could she be spotted? Height, chest, style of hair, tats? Thanks for the good review.
review comment
2 years ago
CSRP is $140/15 minutes, $250/30 minutes, $400/60 minutes.
One dancer told me her invoice to the club for 30minutes was $100.
Market adjustment/Inflation makes actual prices 20%-60% above CSRP.
A 10 will charge around 100% above CSRP.
Have a game plan before you go in. Good luck!
review comment
2 years ago
The mileage and looks that were available for half of the cost back in 2015 and 2019 seems like a dream compared to today. Every detail from the music to the setup in the back was radically better a few years ago. It's hard to tell if it's temporarily blip like 2017 or if a 3 decade long era is coming to an end permanently.
review comment
2 years ago
One of the most accurate review titles and reviews here. So it appears due to new internal policies and inflation, that dance prices are now free-floating rates. So every dancer quotes her own rates. The $20/140/250/400 is just the baseline rates. A smoking 10 can charge $40/250/500/800 for the same amount of times. $800 for an hour is getting pretty steep, but such are the times. The result is a huge YMMV factor. There was always risk of getting a ROB, but now you might have paid twice as much as the base rate for a hottie who ends up being a ROB too. So YMPMV (mileage and price may vary).