Who here goes to strip clubs and stay sober?

hotgirlsplz
spend too much on dancers šŸ¤Æ
How's that going compared to before when you used to get messed up at the clubs? LOL

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wallanon
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5 months ago
I don't get drunk in clubs anymore. Still have fun.
hotgirlsplz
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5 months ago
What's better? High mileage lap dance sober or...? :)
whodey
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5 months ago
I've never been one to get drunk at a club, even when I was in my early 20s. When I would get drunk it was either to celebrate or to take my mind of my troubles. If I'm at a strip club there are plenty of naked girls to either help me celebrate or take my mind off of my troubles so why would I need to get drunk when I could just have fun with the girls.

Plus, getting drunk can lead to you forgetting what you were doing while you were drinking and I want to remember the fun I have at the club. It's about 50/50 if I have any alcohol at the club, but when I do it is usually no more than 2 or 3 drinks over a couple of hours.
whodey
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5 months ago
"What's better? High mileage lap dance sober or...? :)"

Sober is better 100% of the time, you want your mind sharp to process all of the pleasure you are experiencing.
JamesSD
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5 months ago
I only club sober
hotgirlsplz
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5 months ago
Great stuff boys. Gonna take this mindset with me for the rest of my trip.
CJKent_band
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5 months ago
@hotgirlspls

I will play along and comment on your discussion.

Q: Who here goes to strip clubs and stay sober?

A: I do go to strip clubs and stay sober.

Q: How's that going compared to before when you used to get messed up at the clubs?

A: No comparison, I donā€™t drink and advise people to not to drink and drive or post or text while intoxicated.

Being Sober enables you to be fully aware and in control of your needs, wants and desires, and allows you to be able to handle any situation accordingly.

Being stone cold sober has worked for me, for good ITC to transition to OTC, I just build a trusting relationship with a girl I like, make sure she knows I am a respectful reliable gentleman, safe, clean, discreet, and fun, funny. (Think Edward (Richard Gere) from the movie Pretty Woman).

A respected simple question sometimes is all that is required: Would you be interested in meeting outside the club, we can have a better, more comfortable experience, and you donā€™t have to share money with the club?

Just remember; donā€™t fall in love with a stripperā€¦

Keep in mind the Russian proverb:

ā€œPeople greet you according to the way you dressā€¦
And say goodbye according to the way you behave"

And follow subraman advice for Strip Clubbing:

1. Don't be an asshole

2. Don't be a little bitch

This is the full Article:

https://tuscl.net/article/49689

Also Remember that:

ā€œIn this country, you gotta make the money first.

Then when you get the money, you get the power.

Then when you get the power, then you get the women.ā€

~ Cuban refugee Tony Montana (Al Pacino) in the movie Scarface (1983)

So even if you have money you still have to be or be perceived as a powerful person.

I would refer you to Demosthenes (384 ā€“ 12 October 322Ā BC)
~ Greek statesman and orator of ancient Athens.

1. We have courtesans for the sake of pleasure.
2. Concubines for the daily health of our bodies, and
3. Wives to bear us lawful offspring and be the faithful guardians of our homes

In this list is the Greek view of woman in the classic age.

In todayā€™s world Demosthenes would say:

We have:

1. High end escorts, centerfolds, actresses, models, Strippers (ITC OTC) etc that provide PSE/GFE for the sake of pleasure.
2. Mistresses/Sugar Babies/Concubines; etc, for the daily health of our bodies.
3. Trophy Girlfriends/Wives to bear us lawful offspring, and be the faithful guardians of our homes.
4. Realistic Sex Dolls/Gynoids/Fembots, and Internet Porn and Instagram/Onlyfans ā€œModelsā€, for kicks-and-gigglesā€.
5. Street walkers and crack whores for when you are horny, drunk, high, depressed, bipolar or just plain stupid and crazy, poor and miserable and canā€™t afford anything else.

However even street walker and crack whores wonā€™t do ā€œbusinessā€ with you if you behave like an a**hole from their own perspective.

It is up to you how you want to practice this Hobby.

Let just be careful out there; donā€™t drink and drive or operate heavy machinery or text or post while intoxicated.
hotgirlsplz
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5 months ago
Damn son. Fire post.

Lol I'm going sober. Wow. And aimming to get to bed at a reasonable time.

Won't blow through another few hundreds ugh and I gotta get back to working hard on my own shit. Good reminder.
Studme53
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5 months ago
I like to drink, but never get drunk at a strip club. One or 2 beers tops.
Muddy
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5 months ago
I usually like to hit a few clubs if Iā€™m out there so I donā€™t want to be drinking and driving. The only time Iā€™ll drink a little bit is if I can club hop on foot (San Francisco, Manhattan, Vancouver etc.)
DandyDan
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5 months ago
At one point, I had heart and liver issues, so that was the end of my drinking. Also, I drive myself everywhere, so I have to because of that. If I go down to Des Moines, at least the BYOB clubs there sell pop and energy drinks.
TCabot
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5 months ago
Getting drunk in the strip club is like a prey animal rolling over for a predator and letting itself get eviscerated. Those girls are vicious and will drain your money without remorse if they get a whiff of your guard being down.

Iā€™m always sober in the club. Plus, I take my drink with me to the restroom to ensure nobody tampers with it.
rickdugan
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5 months ago
I can't imagine clubbing without cocktails to provide a warm glow over the evening, lol. When I go out, I want the full fun experience. šŸ˜

With that said, I'm not as young as I was when I joined this site 15 years ago. I've already had to scale back a lot due to life circumstances and I'm no longer free of the medical issues which commonly pop up as one ages, so my days of a Jack in one had and a stripper's ass in the other my be numbered.
rickdugan
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5 months ago
In one hand lol.
skibum609
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5 months ago
I used to pound a few on the ride to and drink a lot in the club. After a lifetime of drinking out of control, which is a genetic defect in all males on my dad's side of the family, starting last October, I began to no longer like drinking. Not a choice, just now down to 1-4 beers in a trip to the club, instead of 1-4 in the car and one every 20 minutes in the club.
In my age group the combination of an 18 year old drinking age and easy sex in the 70s caused a lot of us to associate drunkenness with sex. In college I probably had drink sex with 50 -60 women an sober sex with 2. I admit I like the club less and less as time goes on because without alcohol its just not the same for me.
Dolfan
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5 months ago
I'll absolutely have a few drinks if I'm there a few hours, but nothing even approaching drunk. I've probably been drunk at a strip club before, but it was in my early 20's and I don't really remember. I can't really compare. Getting wasted in the club has no appeal to me, especially seeing some of the dumb shit drunk guys do in there.

I've always been one to have a few drinks, but never one to get particularly drunk. As a teenager, sure, but by the time I was 25 that was out of my system.
skibum609
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5 months ago
I recall a visit to the old Inner Room on a golf trip 20 years ago where I was so drunk that after getting high in my car, while walking back into the club I hit the door frame. I don't mean I brushed it. I slammed into it and had iI been an inch to the right, I'd have taken a straight shot on the nose. Capped it off by getting stopped for going 60 in a 30. Jocked my weed, spoke to the cop, he tried to give me an easy way out of the speeding, I thanked him and said I appreciate it, but I come down here all the time and know it was a 30, I was just too busy lying about my golf game to notice. He let me go without even a warning. When I got back to the condo we got out and I heard something fall. My buddy picked up my bag of weed which I had jocked. At that point I realized that the only reason I wasn't in jail is the cop never asked me to get out of the car. I also learned that while jocking weed is great when you wear briefs, when you are commando, it falls out when you stand up.
I learned a valuable lesson and totally changed my......lol that's lie. I learned jack shit and still lead the league in police interactions as the 50 warnings in my glove box will attest.
crosscheck
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5 months ago
When I go the club, I have one drink or beer and then switch to water. One, my best friend is a drunk driving lawyer and I know how much he costs. Two, I haven't gotten drunk in about 7 years now anyway because I just can't handle hangovers anymore.
twentyfive
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5 months ago
I havenā€™t gotten drunk in years, when I go to a club I enjoy a beer or three, Iā€™ve cut back over the years. My alcohol consumption is rather minimal nowadays, I feel better, sleep better, and have better energy. A drink is enjoyable, too many drinks are debilitating.
shadowcat
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5 months ago
I quit drinking alcohol completely 15 years ago. I never had a DUI or a problem but I could tell it was affecting my life in a bad way. Sex is better now but even back in my drinking days I never drank in a strip club until the end of my stay. After I had had my fill of dancers and just wanted one for the road.
skibum609
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5 months ago
I've tried about 250 drunk driving cases in my career. Went 97-3 in the last 100 and learned zero from my client's fuck ups. There's a secret to not getting caught drunk driving: Don't get fucking stopped in the first place and if you do, it's just a traffic stop, unless you fuck up. Even then, shit happens. Some people slur their words, that is a killer. Unless I am up in the .35 range no one can ever tell if I am drunk. In fact, the police around here stopped videotaping (before the law changed) because someone who blows a .12 will appear 100% fine on a booking tape.
I get the not drinking thing, but I used to love it. The weed? I plan on dying while smoking it.
gothamyte
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5 months ago
The way I remember it: local politicians wanted to dissolve all the strip clubs in the county. So one year, to achieve that, they thought: what if we made it nearly impossible for these SC to renew their liquor license, all the SCs would have to close due to losing money from lower liquor sales. But it backfired. The SCs one after the other dumped serving liquor at their spots altogether. And patronage actually increased. Dudes who stopped going to the strip clubs returned now that there was no alcohol and no vomit everywhere and drunken fights and DUIs. The strip clubs started offering more juice and sodas and dudes were grabbing that. Dudes and dancers were digging the changed atmosphere of everyone being sober, now both dancers and johns were clear-headed. The county politicians regretted this backfire. I'd how I remember it.

To this day some of those SCs that are still open still don't serve alcohol. I remember how overjoyed some owners were that area SC owners were all dropping the alcohol licenses and saving money from that process and headaches. It's how I remember it...
Hank Moody
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5 months ago
I drink in clubs most times unless itā€™s a weeknight early in the week. Iā€™ve not been drunk but definitely loosened up. It adds to my experience of it being a social activity. To each his own.
Studme53
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5 months ago
Re drunk driving - thereā€™s nothing you can do about smelling like alcohol, no matter how sober you appear. Granted, it helps if you appear sober but aggressive cops will take in borderline case that reek. BTW - everyone tells the cop they had ā€œtwo beers/drinksā€

I donā€™t gamble drunk either. Had a bad experience with that at my bachelor party and learned my lesson. Iā€™m still pissed at my brother for letting that happen.

Puddy Tat
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5 months ago
If it enhances your experience, and you won't drive impaired or ruin the club atmosphere, go ahead. If it detracts from the experience don't. Why complicate it?

I'm a dayshift guy, but as a rule, the earlier I go, the less I drink, and vice versa. I can enjoy a club stone child sober, but 2 drinks is better, and getting sick or wasted kills it for me as it just want to either puke or sleep.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/1341228951ā€¦
Jascoi
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5 months ago
ā€I can enjoy a club stone child sober, but 2 drinks is better," explains me pretty well.
ilbbaicnl
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5 months ago
I generally just get bottles of water, or nothing at all. Occasionally, I'll get one drink. I rarely drink in general. I'm pretty prone to hangovers, even get them from edibles. My Cuban fav nags me to drink with her. I told her I have to stay sober, in order to resist the urge to do things to her that she doesn't want me to do. Hopefully that isn't really true, but why risk it. Also, it feels like a huge waste of money to me to get drunk on bar booze rather than store booze.
Jascoi
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5 months ago
opps... scratch out 'child'. insert *cold* i need to read things more carefully.
Studme53
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5 months ago
^ ha ha - glad you corrected that - sounded creepy
Dolfan
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5 months ago
Thinking about it now, I'm kinda surprised there isn't a no-smoking, vegan food and wheatgrass bar serving strip club in Miami somewhere. I bet if they had hot chicks, they'd still do good.
twentyfive
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5 months ago
^ vegan no smoking, sounds good, no wheatgrass
LOL
gSteph
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5 months ago
Haven't drank in 10+ years.
Sometimes have a cannabis gummy ahead of time, but not sure it increases the pleasure cause tits and all that touching kinda redlines the pleasure meter either way šŸ˜€
Puddy Tat
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5 months ago
I'm good there are vegan strip clubs (in Portland, natch). In case you want tits with a side of sanctimony.
rickdugan
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5 months ago
===> "Re drunk driving - thereā€™s nothing you can do about smelling like alcohol, no matter how sober you appear. Granted, it helps if you appear sober but aggressive cops will take in borderline case that reek. "

This is why I always choose a club near a highway entrance, preferably one that is not near an entertainment district. My house is also near a highway entrance, so my goal is to have almost no local road exposure on my drive home. I also check the DUI safety checkpoint announcements for Jacksonville just to be doubly sure.

It has been my ample experience that the highest exposure to potential DUI pullovers involves local police on local roads. At least around here, highway patrol is unlikely to pull over anyone going less than 15 miles over the limit or so impaired that it is obvious by their driving.

Heck I won't even drive an OTC date home if it means a lot of local road exposure. I call her an Uber instead, lol. Then, once she's whisked away, I pop onto the highway and head home at a comfortable and unhurried speed limit +10 mph.
skibum609
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5 months ago
I never drink while gambling, not even at kitchen table, low-stakes poker. Strip clubs are more weed events now because I drink less, not because I smoke more. Since florida is retarded and lets people smoke inside, I can vape my weed at my table which is just so fucking awesome.
My physician, who knows my true history cannot believe I am disease free, but is truly amazed at my resting heart rate of 55 at my age. I am the luckiest fuck in history, in health, but the opposite in cards, as indicated by someone bluffing an all in with 2/7, me calling the asshole with KK and a 227 flop sending me home.
crosscheck
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5 months ago
I may have one drink while playing poker as well. One drink loosens me up a bit and I actually play better. Any more than that negatively affects my play, so I don't do it.

My problem is not leaving the table after I get tired. I've lost far more money at the table playing tired than playing while drinking over the years.
TCabot
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5 months ago
I think caffeine is the only acceptable stimulant at a club. Coffee, tea, or a Red Bull (most likely the latter as former two donā€™t seem to be on offer at clubs).

Mostly I just order bottled water.
DrStab
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5 months ago
I may have a beer or two. My budget is for the ladies.
WiseToo
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5 months ago
I don't drink and I've met dancers who also don't drink. We get along just fine and can concentrate on what's important - sex.
Book Guy
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5 months ago
I'm counter to most of this thread. I drink and deliberately get buzzed.

I go to strip clubs in order to be marginally inebriated. I am not interested enough in the girls, or in spending money on privates, unless I am feeling warm about it due to some alcohol. For me that is two, perhaps three cocktails, each at one shot of premium liquor like Jack Daniels. So that's three shots over the course of the entire evening. I do not enjoy more. I also do not enjoy less. Halfway into the second drink I start to want to interact with (and grope) the strippers.

I don't tend to drink alcohol anywhere else. It's not that I am officially abstaining on any organized program, I'm just not very interested in alcohol for any other reasons. I have one wine at the neighborhood Christmas party. There are hard ciders in the back of my fridge that have probably been there five or six years.

I do like fine beers, but only as a gourmet experience, and will have a properly pulled vom Fass Stout or Bock with the proper chef's meal if called for. But otherwise I have no reason to drink beer at all, especially not North American rice-fake-beer, especially especially not the greenish yellow piss-water sold as beer at strip clubs. Almost no Lager or Export brew has ever pleased me, not even the original Budweiser at the Budvar Budejovicky in Prague.

Then there is flavored liquor. Schnapps-type, in particular. A story. I used to go to that Pony place in Memphis, around the year 2005 or so. ("Pink Pony" was its name? Maybe? Can't remember.) Tons of stellar-looking girls, really just a lap-dance factory, lots of OTC available, ultimately got shut down for too much drugs and prostitution in about 2010. Anyway. They allowed bottle fee, so I'd arrive after along drive from my home well South of there with a fifth of Jaegermeister. I would usually share it with the girls or give it away to a table of college kids later in the night. But one evening I didn't pay attention and instead finished the damn thing all by myself. I genuinely did not realize how drunk I was until.

Until I awoke, in the driver's seat of my car, which was facing the wrong direction in the middle of one of those six-lane suburban Memphis major roadways. I had been awakened by the sound of my tires screeching because, as I passed out while driving, I had somehow rotated the wheel enough to spin a 180 donut. The road was empty. I was next to a defunct Wal-Mart. I shakily parked my car, used the standing (functional!) pay phone to call 911, from which the operator sent a taxi cab instead of an emergency crew. I quit Jaeger and drunk driving and lived to tell the tale.

Hey Skibum609 I used to try to defend drunk driving cases. Here in the New Orleans area nearly all turn out to be roughly indefensible, but the clients are required to have an attorney present when they plead to a misdemeanor. At the time, I was doing it essentially as a "favor to the justice system" to be present and get my name remembered at City court. I would mail the client a bill for an hour or two of work and only expect that half or a third of them would be paid.
misterorange
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5 months ago
When I was 16 I came home so drunk I was literally bouncing off the walls going to my room. My mother angrily asked, "Waddaya think ya gotta get drunk to have a good time?" I answered honestly, "Yes I do." Now I won't say I've never had fun without drinking, but I ALWAYS have more fun when I do. Except for at work or when riding my motorcycle, I pretty much get shit-faced all the time. Out with friends, in the club, or home alone, you can bet I'll be hitting the bourbon pretty hard. Prefer Manhattans, but only home made or at a select few places that know how to make a good one.
Manuellabore
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5 months ago
If I'm home and hitting the club in the afternoon, I either drink tonic water or have one or two drinks with a dancer, usually in VIP.
If I'm on the road and don't have to drive back to the hotel (I actually pick hotels that are walking distance from the club--Hello Hilton Providence), once I've gotten my rocks off I'll sit and drink till last call
PoundKing
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5 months ago
2 drinks right off the bat then 1 drink per hour. i'm at my best socially and sexually with that routine
EastCoaster
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5 months ago
My drink of choice in a SC is bottled water. I gave up drinking alcohol more than 30 years ago, but not because I had any problems with it. I just never liked it -- not the taste of it, not the effects, and not the empty calories adding to my middle-age spread. I just thought, "Then why am doing this?"

Now I spend all my money on LDs and extras and never have to worry about driving drunk or getting scammed into using my credit card to buy that grossly-overpriced bottle of champagne just to have a chance to touch some girl's boobs. That seems like a pretty good trade off to me, but to each his own.
skibum609
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5 months ago
BOOK - Where I practice was the last state in the union to go to .08% as the standard, as well as the last state to pass a "per se" law. A bt reading of .08, or back in the day .1, created a rebuttable presumption of under the influence, which could be rebutted by visual and oral testimony. Combine that with this state being truly fucked up about handling alcohol and it was easy to get people off f or a long time here., although once they stopped videoing booking it got harder.
A friend of mine had a client who actually got his case dismissed in a very creative manner. He apparently broke into the storage area of the police station and stole all of the booking tapes. Hs and about 150 other cases had to be dismissed.
crosscheck
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5 months ago
Ski - of course the other thing defense attorneys (and drunk drivers) have going for them in Massachusetts is that you can refuse both the breath test and the field sobriety tests and it cannot be brought up at trial where in about 48 of the 50 states it comes in as evidence of consciousness of guilt.

Yes, you automatically have your license suspended for 180 days, but the prosecution is left with an exceedingly weak case of "I smelled alcohol, his eyes were glassy and basically he looked drunk to me."
Call.Me.Ishmael
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5 months ago
I almost never drink booze at strip clubs. Particularly day shifts.
skibum609
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5 months ago
I agree Cross, but the idea that those laws are considered constitutional has always amazed me. They all seem to violate the fifth amendment, no matter how courts wrestle with language and justification.
stripperlover777
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5 months ago
šŸ“± šŸ“± šŸ“± I Wouldn't Drink Alcohol @ The Strip Club Unless I Had A Designated Driver & Even Then, It's Safer To Not Drink @ All.
So, If There Is Drinkin' Goin On, I Will Revert @ YouTube & Watch The Strippers There āœ”ļø
Book Guy
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5 months ago
Skibum & Crosscheck -- ok so when he erased all the drunk driving tapes he was able to get out of the drunk driving prosecution, but then didn't someone bring charges of trespassing, burglary, tampering with evidence, obstruction of justice, ...

I guess with breathalyzers, the courts have found no problem with the self-incrimination (5th Amend.) issue, by reasoning that the defendant isn't TESTIFYING against himself, but rather, the scientific data (and the officer who collected it) is testifying against him. So goes the theory as I understand it. I do see that this reasoning is kinda thin, but not half as thin as a lot of other pin-head dancing angels in our jurisprudence. Or was there something else you were finding wrong about it? When I'm wearing my Civil Libertarian hat I object to the very idea of any officer ever invading my bodily autonomy by taking samples of my blood or breath or brainwaves. Sphygmomanometer my ass.

As for the science, one thing I've learned is that "slurred speech" and "glazed eyes" and "what you look like" are rather un-related to blood-alcohol level --you can have high BAC and no glazed eyes, or vice versa. Furthermore, neither is necessarily a guarantee of impaired driving skills -- some people with low-ish BAC have greatly reduced reflexes, other people with relatively high BAC don't see much detriment to their reflexes. Changes to the detriment level can be due to tolerance developed over time, or due to such factors as the most recent hours' diet, mental activity, and exercise. None of it is 1-to-1, it's all generalizations. The assumption that 0.08% is significantly blotto is useful for hiding the subjectivity. It looks scientific because it has a number and a percent sign in it.

Now would you like to discuss the scientific evidence behind fingerprints? :P

@stripperlover77 I can't figure out what you're trying to say, there's too much Uppercase and too little punctuation.
rickthelion
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5 months ago
^
Book Ape, what you have to understand regarding Skifredo is that the statement ā€œUnless I am up in the .35 range no one can ever tell if I am drunk.ā€ is not the flex he thinks it is.

The issue is that Skifredo is a demented glassy-eyed loser that got so enraged one day that he blew a fuse in his brain. Itā€™s not that he has a rickish tolerance of alcohol itā€™s just that he acts like his BAC is 0.35 when he is stone cold sober.

Also, the Stripperlovingape is just tryinā€™ to say that he doesnā€™t drink at the club and that if he was drinking heā€™d stay home and watch strippers on YouTube. Not sure where the YouTube stuff came from. I mean reallyā€¦if he wanā€™t to jack it he should just watch porno like non-weirdo.

Now where the fuck is my drivinā€™ whiskey? This rick has places to be an stylinā€™ suits to wear when he gets there. ROAR!!!
Puddy Tat
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5 months ago
@fellow felid, Everyone thinks no one else can tell when they're drunk. Bragging about your alcohol tolerance is no longer cool once your age begins with a "3."
Book Guy
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5 months ago
I like that line from some comedian or other (Eddie Izzard?), we tend to think of drinking as getting invisible. A little buzzed means nobody is looking at me, and really wasted means nobody can see me even if they are looking at me.
galabad
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5 months ago
Not into getting stupid drunk anymore and the buzz I get from getting a hot dance from a sexy dancer is better than the buzz I get from any drink. Unless there is a drink minimum, I am spending my money on the women directly not the alcohol. Well unless the lady wants a drink, of course.
goldmongerATL
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5 months ago
Now I prefer to get the dancers drunk. Leads to better mileage.
bang69
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5 months ago
I don't drink.
5footguy
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5 months ago
"Now I prefer to get the dancers drunk. Leads to better mileage."

ding ding ding, we have a winning answer ^^
blahblahblahs
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5 months ago
When I bike, kayak, take the subway or arrive by seaplane, I get my drink on. If I drive or arrive by helicopter I enjoy unsweetened ice tea.
hotgirlsplz
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5 months ago
Jesus Christ gents, hahaha it's become a discussion more about your drinking habits and the political debate of drunk driving HAH! Just playing. Thanks for sharing y'all.

Anyways, love the engagement.
guy2222
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4 months ago
I used to drink a lot at the strip club and never remembered shit the next day, but the effects on my bank account made it clear what happened.
Now after months of being sober completely, I only get a seltzer water and lime at the strip club. The waitress would look at me funny but I would get her and the other girls drinks.
skibum609
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4 months ago
Book - Just because I know he committed the crimes, why would you assume anyone else, especially the Police, know what he did? I wrote about something I know, not something other people know. The alleged reason is that a B.T. requirement is constitutional is that driving itself is a privilege subject to reasonable restrictions and not a right.
Book is right about how people show they're under the influence. My wife slurs her speech after 2 drinks but would pass a b.t.. I never slur, can do all the field sobriety tests, remain glib and found the horizontal Gaze Nystagmus test can be gamed as well. It's inadmissible here without expert testimony and therefore not used, but other states use it. Police interaction is also weird. Back in my heavy heavy drinking days i can list 5 stops and police interaction where I figure the b.t. would be .25 - .4
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