Beating the tip parade?
Most of the strip clubs around here (NJ) love doing the dollar parade with unenthusiastic dancers.Was wondering if y’all here just give out dollars to all the women that come by, or only limit it to a woman you’re interested in.
I was doing the former so I wouldn’t come off as a cheap ass but after going a few times and spending money for nothing really, looking for some ways to beat the parade without Coming off a rude cheap ass since some of those women are really persistent.
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Now I get it if you're wanting to save your dollars for dances and it's a tradeoff. I lived those days, too. Back then I had a set amount I'd spend on the tip walk and if I didn't find a girl I wanted by the time I'd gone through it I'd leave. Unless I went with friends, but we figured out which clubs we could bullshit in for a while and not be out $100 just on tips.
To me it's not worth the heat to skip a girl because you don't know who else she knows in the club.
Usually when it gets like that I’ll have a 20 bill and tell them I’m waiting on change or need change or go to the bathroom but it only works a few times.
ordering and eating food will work.
when a girl is approaching you and you're already standing just walk a circle around the bar to back where where your were originally standing. by then she should already have passed by that spot.
if you smoke cigs take a break outside.
best way oeverall is to stay away from the barside and hang out at the background.
That said, I just build it into my pricing for the visit. I tend to tip $3 a dancer. I use it to get something for my money and engage the girls in a quick conversation if I want them to come sit with me. It’s easy to do by pulling the tip out and holding it in your hand but not putting it into their garter while you try your rap. If it’s a girl I’m not interested in, I just hand over the tip quickly so they move on. I’ve seen guys refuse to tip and they quickly get marked and the word spreads among the dancers. I hope those guys like the food because no dancer is going to go out of their way to approach them once they are marked.
McNulty is leaving out the part where he sways the tip in front of their eyes to hypnotize them. Make sure you guys do that and come back to let us know how it went.
What happens when your change doesn't come lol? Some of these girls take shit really personal and I think I'd rather just take the hit for telling her to go away than get caught in some elaborate (for a strip club) lie. It's crazy when a girl decides you're her best shot at dollars and is watching you from afar, then comes back later and tells you all the stuff she noticed while club stalking you.
I basically tip when I feel it is merited. I don't give in to tipping tactics that put pressure on the customer. Tips are supposed to be discretionary. So if a dancer is expecting me to tip, I will only do it if I was going to do it anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MBoQTeP…
if i gave that girl a 20, right away she would take most of the singles around her waist and count 18-19 singles and then hand those over to me. i would only agree to this if that girl was my type and would lead me to the lapper room after her stage stint was over.
There are clubs w/ a modest tip-parade; and then there are clubs where the dancers def take advantage.
NJ clubs seem to have a rep for too-much of a tip-parade. I live in Miami where some of “the extra-Cuban-heavy” clubs have gangsta-style tip-parades.
I don’t like a tip-parade but I will “usually” try to adjust to the culture of the club – what I don’t let happen is to be taken advantage of and be taken for a $ucker.
If the dancer comes around after her set I don’t mind giving a small-tip – what happens in Miami, and perhaps other tip-parade-areas; is that you have dancers circling the club continuously asking for tips and you can be hit by the same dancers ever 15 or 20 minutes all night long – if I get approached for a tip by one or two girls every-song (meaning the girl that just got off-stage and perhaps the one b/f her); then I’ll likely acquiesce – what I won’t do is be tipping 4,5,6,etc girls every damn song – in some of the Miami tip-parade-hustle clubs you can be tipping every 15 damn-seconds to where one can’t even sit back and relax w/o having to reach into your pocket every 15 seconds – fuck that shit – that is taking advantage and the dancers KNOW IT and do it b/c they know most custies are easy to manipulate.
I stopped being a tip-parade-trained-monkey long ago – my M.O.:
+ depending on my mood – I may tip most girls when I first get there – but by the time they come around a 2nd-time I just say “no thanks I’m good”
+ or; depending on my mood: I won’t do the above and just say no-thanks right off the bat and only tip the girls I’m interested in
The obvious reality is that the more PLs give-in; the worst it only gets and the more of an expectation that is built in – again this applies to clubs that take-advantage of the tip-parade where one is having to tip multiple (3 or more) girls ever single song even if they haven’ been on stage right b/f their tip-parade – and of course if one is sitting at-the-stage then one should be tipping the dancer(s) performing on-stage (which makes it tricky for NJ clubs since the stage is inside the bar and seems most NJ clubs are small w/ mostly bar-side sitting basically meaning one is sitting stage-side).
In summary:
+ I tip every -dancer if I’m sitting stage-side (but I mostly care about dances and will rarely sit stage-side)
+ if a club has a tip-parade, I will try to blend-in if the dancers are not taking advantage, meaning only the dancer that got off stage is doing the tip-parade – if I’m getting hit by half-a-dozen dancers per song; forget-that; I stop tipping and only tip the dancers I’m interested in
Clubs w/ abusive tip-parades are IMO counter-productive for custies – i.e. the more girls make on stage or w/ tip-parades, the less they may be apt to wanna give dances or even-good-dances if they can make a decent-amount tip-parading all-night-long and thus can avoid having to grind and be groped.
w.r.t. being seen as “cheap” – for one; girls know they are taking advantage (in clubs w/ excessive tip-parades) – most know if a custy puts his foot down that he is not necessarily being cheap but just not being a sucker – I’ve been in excessive-tip-parade clubs a good # of times and rarely have I not been able to get dances when I want from who I want even if I haven’t been tipping – it may take being a bit pro-active in approaching the dancer and/or someway letting her know you’re interested in dances – IME rarely will a dancer say no to dance-$$$ b/c you didn’t tip the tip-parade (again b/c they know it’s a hustle) – and if she’s not willing to take my dance-$$$ ($25/dance) b/c I didn’t tip a buck or two during the tip-parade then I rather not deal w/ such a dumb-dancer.
And yeah Casa Diablo is the biggest hustle club here and it starts with the $2 bills only bullshit. I avoid going to Casa and any of the Johnny Diablo Clubs because of the hustle and also I've NEVER met a dancer that had anything nice to say about Johnny. He's a well known sleaze bag amongst the stripper community out here. I'll take my business elsewhere TYVM.
Rather than pass out a bunch of one-dollar bills, I think I would prefer a higher entrance fee with the money from me and the other customers divided up among the girls. You couldn't have that higher entrance fee, though, unless most of your strippers are attractive. Customers would balk at paying a high entrance fee to go in and look at unattractive girls and then would just not show up. Another alternative would be for girls to make their money off lap dance sales. The stage performance is just a customer audition so the customers can look at the girls and pick out the one they want for socializing and lap dances. Most of my local strip clubs don't have tip parades and seem to follow that model.
The stage is behind the bar. The customer cannot go up to the stage to tip a dancer. He must wait for her to come down from the stage and walk the inside of the bar to get tips. I don't know any customer that is upset when a dancer comes down after her set and collects tips.
The problem is the abuse of this by dancers. Usually, two or three dancers that have not danced in a while will be working the bar for tips. Often it will be more. Each dancer makes numerous rounds. Each hits the customer up for a dollar for this tit, then that tit, her ass and mustn't forget the kitty. As soon as she leaves, the next dancer is in your face. Within a few minutes the first one is back in front of you. This can go on nonstop for hours in some clubs. A guy that doesn't say "no" can spend fifty to one hundred in an hour on the tip parade.
Some may flash a nipple or let you cop a feel of her tit. Others do nothing but walk up and squeeze their tits together or hold out their hand expecting several dollars for no show, no interaction. It is not uncommon for women sitting at the bar to get up and start the parade whenever a new customer walks in. Three, four, five dancers in bikinis that haven't been on stage in over an hour are pushing for tips.
how do i handle it, "i'll gladly tip you after your set, come back to me". "No thank you, i haven't seen you dance yet." "i've already tipped you a few minutes ago" Do they get upset? sure, some do.
I haven’t found a way to avoid it. Although the suggestion from ratdog is a good one. I’ve eaten and not been asked for tips - so that is likely the reason.
I mentioned a few months ago that I saw a guy trying to avoid it - and he was somewhat successful. When a dancer he wasn’t interested in stopped by he would look at his phone (and not look up). It became a waiting game with some dancers, as they would continue standing, and he continued looking down! Finally he would shout - “Go away!” - and the dancer would move on. It seems like a good way to get labeled as an asshole.
It's really just a regional thing. Dudes should be able to tell just by looking around what the club culture is. Sometimes it's just a miss.
When I was in Louisville I walked in a club and offered three dancers a drink because two girls talked me up right away but I wanted the third who was hanging back. $100 later I was sitting there laughing at myself on the inside, but could have had any girl in the club in any room I wanted after the first few minutes. That wasn't a tip walk issue, but I try to roll with the rules of the road wherever I end up.
https://youtu.be/xNotHLA8afU
But it sounds like what you guys in NJ are describing as a tip parade is a little different than Miami's tip parade. I'm not familiar with those clubs. For stages behind the bar with a girl who goes around that bar and collects from the people sitting there, that's not what I picture when you say tip parade. If you can avoid it by simply not sitting at the bar, I consider that more like just as sitting in the front row of the stage. In Miami, the tip parade involves a girl going around to every customer in the club to get a tip. They're obviously both often abused by dancers, so they have that in common.
In certain parts of the Northeast (Queens, NJ, Philly, B'more, 1 club in Boston, 1 club in CT), clubs use a format that I haven't seen anywhere else in the country, with the main stage either behind the bar or in the middle of the floor with the bar wrapped around it. In these places, it's common for girls to do tip walks along the inside of the bar. It's also often hard or impossible to avoid sitting at the bar because many of these places provide (no doubt by design) little to no seating elsewhere.
It sounds easy enough to deal with. Just throw each girl a buck, right? That's easy enough when one girl is up at a time and does a single tip walk at the end of her set. The problems in some places though are twofold: First, some of these clubs will throw 4 or more girls up on stage at a time. Second, in some of these places the girls will do multiple tip walks within a short timeframe. When both of these things are happening at the same time, cash burn rate starts to become a real consideration.
IME Millstream and G2K, by way of two examples, were notorious for running the behind the bar tip parades on all cylinders. I don't know how Millstream is now, but it's calmed down at G2K a lot simply because there are less people now. When this shit is happening in high gear, it starts to get very expensive very quickly. Really it leads to better dancers subsidizing the weaker ones because it becomes much tougher to target your money to the girls you like.
So with all that said, I see where the OP is coming from and it's a valid issue where he clubs.
You're free to your opinion, but nobody is obligated to agree with you. Don't like it then post somewhere else.
Personally I hate subsidizing fat, old and/or ugly dancers. I'll often do it in those places as the path of least resistance, but sometimes a girl is just so fucking bad that I refuse out of principle.
I don't give a fuck if her feelings are hurt or if she stands there waiting. It's not my fault that she can't stop double fisting Little Debbie snacks.
I don't give a fuck if her feelings are hurt or if she stands there waiting. It's not my fault that she can't stop double fisting Little Debbie snacks."
^ The only way I could agree with this more is if you added in shitty attitude dancers. If you somehow manage to offend or annoy me, which isn't very easy to do, within a 15 second interaction asking for a tip, I'm refusing too.
That sucks if that's how all the clubs are in that area. It's not just the cost aspect that annoys me about it here, its the distraction part too. If I'm sitting with a girl and she is called on stage, in a non-tip parade club its normally a 15 minute or so absence and then we get back to it. At a place with a tip parade, it's easily twice that. At that length, I'm fighting off new girls wanting to sit down or getting bored and wanting one to, thus starting the whole thing over again. Even if I do manage to keep the same girl with me for a while, we're constantly distracted by a passing girl on her parade, or when they notice you're not paying attention, any random bitch whose desperate enough to walk by and ask for a buck. It's just an overall shitty experience, it would probably drive me to SB or Escorts or something.
These discussions would be much easier to have if people stop telling experienced club goers they're wrong for not doing things the same way. I spent a lot of time at Millstream and McDoogals in Baltimore last year. At Millstream the dancers will walk to every single person in the club no matter where they are sitting looking a tip, but only after they've done a stage set.
They're typically pretty good at knowing who was there and who wasn't there because the main floor is small and the stage is bar height. Can you refuse to tip? Sure you can, the dudes only really get bounced for groping the girls on stage. But the girls are hustling constantly and you can't always tell who's in what clique on your first visit. Why piss off the friend of the dancer you actually want by waiving her off? You save a few bucks (that's really all were talking about) and then spoil your visit. I've paid a stripper the price of a dance to go away when I needed her to move stat (to get the dancer I wanted sitting in her place), so a couple of bucks is cheap lol.
At McDoogals if you're at the bar you're going to get hit twice by each girl, and there are usually 1 to 2 girls per set. Most guys will do $1 per round, so that's $2 per jukebox song every song. Girls I'm not crazy about get a dollar, girls I want time with get more because it's a big ass bar and you've got guys spending on stage, lappers, and rooms. If you're not at the bar you don't usually get hassled, but it's a small club and most of it is the wrap around bar.
If you make one girl's night they talk a lot and you're marked, so just make sure you maintain the $1 a trip and you're ok. I pissed off a dancer on her birthday and a whole clique gave me the cold shoulder for a couple weeks til one decided she wanted my money. The birthday dancer got her tips but kept hassling me for a dancer and I finally said no thanks. This probably where someone is staying "you stood you're ground, good on ya" but that's not how the stripper brain works. The way that story got retold is I didn't take care of a girl on her birthday and that was a dick move lol.
I wrote something I didn't post about Johnny A's in Paterson, NJ and it's tip situation during my visit. I'll see if I can dig it up. That's a club where I saw 4 or more girls up on stage all at once and it was the middle of dayshift.
I agree mostly, which is why I limited my opinion to the local clubs I know best. Wall summed up the culture here. Mill usually has no cover, no parking charge and good food and drink specials most of the time. McDoogals is an $8 or $16 cover weekedays/ends and is byob. Yeah, you have to pay a buck a dancer, but they aren’t soaking you in some of the ways clubs usually do. That’s why I’ve rationalized it as obligatory. It’s just the way the comp structure works for the dancers and it’s not all that much money.
In several of the NNJ clubs I’ve patronized, the setup is very much as Rick Dugan describes. The clubs usually aren’t large, and the bar and stage (behind the bar) take up enough space that there isn’t much space left for tables or booths.
I’m sure you can just sit and tell the dancers no each time they come by, I’ve never tried that, but there’s nothing wrong with holding your ground. I consider it a reasonable component of the cost of hitting a club. If I spend $500 on a club outing - there will likely be $40 going to the tip parade, maybe $30 for drinks, and $400 to dances (and the remaining $30 going home in my pocket).
But I'm also glad that the clubs around me don't do this.
-massages are good if there is a massage girl. Dancers won't come up to you for a tip while you get one.
-dancers who try to get second round of tips I will get up b4 they get to me and go for a bathroom break.
-if there is seating anywhere but the bar sit there
-if the bar allows you to stand. Then stand off to the side
-if you have to tip make it worth your while too. Never just let them take if from your hand. Have them do a little butt shake or something. They are getting a tip for service not for existing. Also use it as a chance to vet a girl you might be considering a dance with.
I'm not into stage shows at all. Especially now a days were girls don't even dance anymore. They just do the two step next to the pole. I just want dances from dancers I find attractive or like.
But when it gets extreme it can be really bad. Gallagher2000 was an extreme example of this. They could have 5 girls do a tip parade, not once but twice, in a 3 or 4 song set. They would literally wait in line at each guy as they went around the bar. On a busy night the cash burn rate at the bar was easily $100+/hr, on top of the expensive drinks and any extra tipping one did to girls that one really liked. Over the years I lost count of how many times I walked out of there surprised to find that I was $500-600 down for next to nothing.
I found Johnny A's to be similar. Now they sometimes only had 2-3 girls on stage instead of 5, but some of those girls would hop off the stage multiple times during a set to collect tips. The cash burn rate got high in a hurry.
I'm sure that G2k and JAHP weren't the only ones either, but just the ones I experienced. In some places it can really get out of hand.
You dont need to tip especially if theres an entrance fee or food drinks required
If you just want a hooker go to the blade. It's like some of you just want that and complain about everything the club is about. You make yourselves look bad by not tipping. It's not making a stand when it's an expected part bof the experience
Personally if it’s the norm for where you are at I’d just give only a single dollar if you aren’t wanting to actually tip but feel obliged. As long as you didn’t sit at the stage and watch I don’t see that as rude. You could also maybe try to go dip into the bathroom to avoid the girls. If it’s really busy your absence will likely not be noticed.
If I remember right, I think some dude got a little carried away with slapping a girls ass and got kicked in the face with a stripper heel, the ensuing lawsuit led to ending the practice. They still have the little metal poles above the bar the girls used to use for support though.
I stopped going to lookers, and AJ's because they are ridiculous with the tip parades.
It would be one thing if the dancers were doing an actual show, but they just move side to side and maybe shake their asses half-heartedly before scrounging for tips.
I actually had a laugh the other day at Johnny A's because a dancer was talking to me how most girls liked going there compared to breathless since they can make enough money for the night without doing any dances or vip because of the parade.
These days I dont have the time for the mind games. I honestly wouldnt go to clubs where you feel the tip parade is a hassle. Most clubs where girls rely on tip parades do so because the girls arent any fun in the back. A good dancer should be able to make more giving lapdances in the same amount of time as dancing on stage. I dont club much anymore but the clubs i gravitate are the ones where the tip parade is highly beneficial as it enables you to ask the girl for dance.
The few clubs with fun dancers in the back with high tip parades can be easily solved by grabbing a girl for a dance instead of paying the same cost in tips. But if you want to sit at the bar for 2 hours and watch the scenery then there is a cost to it like everything in life.