Working on the new site...

By the way, this discussion post and this comment were posted on the new site.

Why not? It'll be an interesting experiment. Will there be a way to go back and see what was deleted? Some apps allow that.

I like the idea. I might say something out of anger toward another member. After thinking about it, I might think my post was out of line. I would like the ability to take it down.

Not a bad idea BUT set a time limit. Perhaps of 30 mins

Delete their own post or their own comment on a post?

Hey Founder quick question are you like a one man operation or do you have a team? I always wondered that.

Delete posts and comments? Think that's a good idea?

I don't know about setting a time limit. What are some reasons for limiting the amount of time?

If posting something to a public forum carries a mandate that public should be able to read it, then those posts should also have an attached burden of personal responsibility. Free speech principles include the consequences of exercising free speech. Meaning, if someone isn't going to think before they post, then that's their responsibility. If you post something that you regret, then you suck it up and apologize.

No deleting comments or threads.

I'm for deleting posts and comments.

^


Straight up, if iceydougee is for it you know it's a bad idea. He'll just use it to deny/erase the previous lies he's been caught saying.

I'm with Ishmael, if you posted it live with it!
Only exception would be an edit button with a short time limit to fix misspellings etc but you already said no edit button so just leave it be.

@CallMeIshmael

There is a flipside to that: preserving privacy. People may not be aware that the public parts of this site are indexed by Google and other search engines and may not want what they post to be quite that public.

In the EU I think that any citizen there has the right to request that removal, so Founder may not have a choice in the matter.

Do you think I have to listen to the EU? I seriously doubt it. Their only recourse is to censor my site in Europe. Neato.

I agree with CMI: Part of free speech is being responsible and accountable for what you say. I would only support a minimal time frame to correct minimal typos and the like.

@founder

You wrote and I quote:

“I’ve been working really hard on the new site.0

Pics and Vids or it hasn’t happen.

:D

Good Job, Good Job.

The reality is that nobody can't really delete anything permanently from the Internet once it's uploaded there…

So don’t bother.

Also; “ Everything on this site should be considered a work of fictoon.

So don’t worry, be happy.

:D

"People may not be aware that the public parts of this site are indexed by Google and other search engines and may not want what they post to be quite that public."

That doesn't mitigate personal responsibility for what you post online, both in terms of what you post and where you post it. If one of the principles of this site is that posting to a public forum means that the public should be able to read it, then the person doing the posting should understand that speech carries consequences.

It's interesting that founder has taken the stance that there can't be a two-way block on this site because he believes in free speech and transparency. But, is now contemplating giving users the ability to selectively revise their posting history. I'm interested in other perspectives, but those two stances don't seem congruent.

"In the EU I think that any citizen there has the right to request that removal, so Founder may not have a choice in the matter."

TUSCL users can message Founder directly to request a post or comment removal. They can also request that their entire account be deleted. The EU authority has normally gone after sites like Amazon and Facebook with regards to such things. I struggle to see the EU setting its sights on TUSCL.

"I don't know about setting a time limit. What are some reasons for limiting the amount of time?"

TUSCL already has content gaps where posts are replying to ignored users. There could also end up being gaps where somebody got poster's remorse and deleted something that already had replies.

If you aren't going to have an edit button I don't think there should be an option to delete a post either. Some users will just use it as a defacto edit button and just delete and repost their comments.

Let people have to deal with the repercussions of their angry posts. It's not like there are any real repercussions for what is posted on here anyways. The only repercussion would be a hit to your reputation with a bunch of anonymous perverts on a strip club site. If you can't deal with that make sure you think before you post.

Also, whenever founder posts one of these threads, am I the only one who thinks of Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown?

I say go for it, and change it if you want to. My guess is you’re tired of being asked to take stuff down from members and this would eliminate the need to honor those requests.

Founder: what problem are we solving by adding delete?

I say all or none. Full edit w/delete or leave it as-is w/o delete.

I’m against it unless there is a short time limit to correct for things like spelling/grammar mistakes that are noticed after posting (to improve post quality). Without a time limit long-running, informative and interesting discussions such as “A Strip Club Saved My Life….” could be lost.

@booji boy: "In the EU I think that any citizen there has the right to request that removal, so Founder may not have a choice in the matter."

Yes, they do, but for a company based in the U.S., with servers in the U.S., the best they can hope for is to simply block the site.

As for deleting, I'd say "yes, but..." It's much less problematic than editing without any history, but maybe only during a certain time period, or before a certain number of people respond, or only for verified members, or maybe only VIP?

I don't think it's necessary, and the trolls will never delete their own posts anyway, but I suppose it's not a bad thing.

The way-back machine will probably pick it up anyway.

In the old days, if two dudes had a disagreement they'd settle it with a pistol duel. The loser would be dead and never heard from again. We should have a virtual duel option, where 2 people can challenge each other, and the other members vote on which one gets their profile deleted forever.

Not in favor of delete capability. Concerned that users would delete reviews or create gaps in old discussion threads.

Soem sites have like a minute to edit/delete I think that could be a good compromise.

Can we just have a button to delete anything that DScrub writes ? ))

Being able to delete posts and comments is common on most sites.

Yes let's allow us to delete comments and threads. 👍

I can see the trolls abusing the ability to delete their posts. Make them stick. Errors can be corrected in follow up posts.

Honestly you are the best judge of this but sounds reasonable. You reconcile all the feedback and if most of those are recalcitrant posters then yea...put it in their hands

I think if two guys get in a big fight here, they should be transported to another planet where they have to do physical combat only using objects found on that planet. I got this idea from Star Trek.

^ That was a great episode.

I cast another vote for time limited delete. Maybe an hour during which you could fix a typo or I’m even fine if you think better of what you said and want to delete it. But, people say some really fucking outrageous shit on here and in almost all cases they shouldn’t be able to run from it and revise history. Founder has always been good in special one off cases like when Juice stupidly got doxxed after he died but those revisions should be the rare exception, not the rule.

I agree with whoever compared founder to Lucy pulling the football out from under Charlie Brown, y’all are Charlie.

Didn't dumb fuck 25 say he was done and we'd never hear from the troll again?

Agree also with time limited delete. There have been times, for example, that I've cut and pasted something into the window, and noticed JUST before I posted it that it included something personal I didn't want there. If I hadn't caught it, it would've just been out here forever. There's other reasons to have quick second thoughts also IMO. An hour-limited delete would be welcome.

Some of the trolls have their own reasons for wanting to delete posts from way in the past, part of the reason I don't want delete. But I'm hoping in this epic new site there will be some sort of effective troll control

This does feel like a tease, like the one about posting IP's with every post.

Not a fan of delete, certainly not after any significant time has passed. It'll turn into Twitter where people are grabbing and posting screenshots of dumb posts/tweets for posterity. And instead of jackasses bumping old threads incessantly they'll be posting links to screenshots of old posts.

I'd be in favor of a "Delete my account and all content" option though. I'd be nice if doing so left some trace in discussion threads and review comment threads to indicate missing comments due to an account deletion. If someone wants to use that to delete one stupid post, that's fine, I'd think to the collateral self damage would be enough of a deterrent to keep it from being misused too often.

But I like finding mistakes in grammar and spelling in my posts and not being able to fix them. Edit button? We don't need no stinking edit button.

I’m on Team No Delete, on the grounds of accountability & coherence (keep the record complete). And I agree that every new tool just gives the abusers a new toy to continue their abuse. I’m happy with the “mute” function, even tho it makes it so I can’t understand many comments that’s MY choice after I’ve weighed the cost of blocking a turd’s posts (which are usually value less). But letting the turds delete their mess only after wiping it in our collective face is too much power in their hands.
Brief window to edit makes more sense.

I'm for allowing a short window to correct comments for spelling or grammar. I think if people can delete their old comments, they will be less likely to think about what they are saying in the first place. That wouldn't be a good thing.

Most of the things in my life I regret were unintentional. One time here I didn't laugh at someone's joke, and he got a little condescending and implied I didn't tell him it was funny because I was too stupid to understand it. I got a little nasty with him and actually drove him off the site for several months. He finally came back. In no way do I want to create a hostile environment here and drive people away. A delete button wouldn't help me because I'm sometimes not aware I shouldn't be saying something.

Deleting posts is common on most sites. I'm also for bringing back when the inability to post on old threads. It's a discussion boars not an archive of outdated rants.

An edit option would be good but make it time limited. Like 10 minutes.

+1 for locking threads after a period of time. 30 days might work. I'm tired of idiots resurrecting ancient threads.

Titties

Posters should be able to delete a post or comment. Shit happens, people may not originally write or edit as "gracefully" as they should.

But I suggest when something is deleted you leave a notice/marker stating there was a deletion. For example: "This post/comment was deleted by it's author, HerbTCat."

I would favor a limit of an hour or even a few hours, with a note that there was something there and deleted. The downside is a troll starting some shit, sitting back to watch the shitstorm and then deleting the post.

Does it extend to reviews?

It may be worthwhile to automatically lock a thread after 15/30/60 days. If somebody needs to resurrect it they can start a new one and reference the old one.

Here is something radical that you probably won't do - if enough people put someone on ignore, vote them off the island!

I just realized you cannot see your own pending reviews, so there is nowhere to go to delete them.

So if we had a delete button, I could copy the previous post, delete it, paste it into a new post and edit it :-)

Just to mention, while I'm for a time-limited delete, this is basically putting lipstick on a pig, if the main problem of trolls running every thread off course doesn't get addressed. Why do anything if that doesn't get addressed?

Every 3 months we have a vote to “deputize” a member and give him power to ban and delete spam. See how it goes. Maybe make it three members and two out of three on a decision goes through.

Gotta disagree with that one Muddy.
It will turn into a popularity contest and just because someone is popular it doesn't qualify him to decide what is and isn't spam and what should or shouldn't be deleted.
Whether we agree or not Founder should be the decider of what stays and goes on his board and the truth of the matter is I've disagreed with many of his decisions but they should still be up to him.

TheeOSU: I don't think it matters how exactly it's accomplished, but making marginal improvements like delete isn't going to improve the board in any substantial way and honestly, not worth the work. Of course Founder should be the decider, it's his board, no one disputes that. But the internet has shown over and over, either there's some content moderation of some sort, or it turns into a place where trolls (or in this case, one single troll, over and over) can take every single thread off course -- this board is the living example. Founder could be the moderator but he's said often he's not interested, he could appoint moderators but he won't, he could give a two-way block so members can at least keep their threads on track but he gave that to us before and then took it away with an explanation that boiled down to "it worked and gave you troll free threads, so now I'm removing this feature".

^ Goes to my point which I’ve made numerous times founder just likes the drama, what else needs to be said.

Allowing deletes will encourage baiting way beyond what happens now, then the bait gets deleted and the thread becomes incoherent

I vote don’t do it unless it’s allowing a short corrections window.

Same with edit if that ever became a thing, for the same reason.

Another argument for a short term edit function is the mobile experience. Text boxes have tiny text and don't stay within the width of a mobile window, and the submit button is a wide image just below the text box. Its very easy to misread what you've typed or submit before you're ready.

623: that's a fine point. The kind of thing drewcareypnw mentioned, the case I mentioned, etc... typically you re-read your post and notice the mistake almost immediately. If we can't get an edit button, even a delete with a 3 minute timer would give guys who make a mistake in posting a safety mechanism, and not allow the "delete the bait" shenanigans. On the other hand, as I said earlier, "delete the bait" is a troll tactic, and I'm hoping any new site would address the trolls first and foremost, before giving us fun new extra features

Locking threads and allowing a delete function will lessen the trolling on here.

^^ but then what site would you go to post, since virtually every post I’ve seen you make is a trolling post?

I'm against deleting.

Quite a few online forums have "preview post" function that allows you to see how your post will look format wise. I have found that function helps me catch areas and avoid the wall of text problem.

I think we should have a preview function rather than a delete function.