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Do you step in? Do you hold it down? Cost of doing business as some say. What’s your move?
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Do you step in? Do you hold it down? Cost of doing business as some say. What’s your move?
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So I would gently nudge “Let’s not go crazy on the first date” and then if I have to get to, I do t want to get to, it would have to be bad but I would have to get to “Uhh No Bitch” then so be it. I am not dropping OTC money on food. Fuck. That. Shit.
Putting somebody in that type of environment just to tell them to restrain themselves seems like an unnecessary set up for preventable drama. I get this thread is probably a joke anyways but this just sounds like a non-issue lol
C'mon @Mutty -- everyone knows you're famous for car dates in your 1998 Kia hatchback. And you throw in a bag of cheetos for good service.
Fancy - Olive Garden / Outback
Kinda fancy - Applebee’s
Not fancy - Buffalo Wild Wings
Sub-fancy - Chipotle / McDs drive-thru
Every take a stripper through the McDonalds drive-thru? Yes I have after closing down the club.
With the guide above you will never be in sticker shock over the bill. If you have a super fancy stripper like Nicespice then you may want to take her somewhere superior like Macaroni Grill.
try a local diner call it a day. u still gotta pay to play too.
plus whatever else the night brings. either keep in the club or car. keep it simple jeeez
I'm not taking a random stripper to a restaurant where I have to worry about what she orders. What's the point? She's putting out cause she's getting paid, not cause I charmed her pants off with fine dining.
I'm also weeding out those girls at the club pretty quickly. That's an area where Subra's "order for them" technique fails, but you can spot this behavior quickly at the club and you're out a single drink at 25-50 tops. I always give girls the leeway to do that and consider it money well spent when I quickly learn how they operate. You also don't incur the time or opportunity costs at the club; She can be dismissed as soon as she's had a few sips of her drink. I'm never gonna have any fun with that type of girl anyway.
Right? Kinda' like the 1920s, when the man ordered for himself and the lady. After all, what could go wrong with that? 😉
To the broader point, I can only think of twice in all the years I've been taking strippers OTC where I brought one to a restaurant nice enough to even make that possible. I was splurging a bit in each instance, so between the food and the wine the tab got up there, but not quite as bad as the OP's scenario sounds. I guess that if either one had decided to hit the caviar or the European white truffles, by way of two examples, I'd have taken the hit but would never seen her again after.
But as others have said, why bring a stripper to a restaurant that nice? To most of the girls that I meet now Longhorn Steakhouse if a fine dining experience. There are plenty of ways to impress without setting yourself up for that kind of problem.
Alright let’s say she’s a 9 or 10. Fucking hot as hell. It’s her favorite restaurant you were talking all about it before you got there. And now your talking over dinner on what’s gonna go down in bed. Although it may seem like a set up, no she’s down to fuck. And you know what when your in that situation, your not even thinking about the Bill your just thinking about what’s next. I think it’s tough.
I don’t want to sound too extreme with the scenario with the caviar but you get the idea it’s getting a little pricey. And @25 I wouldn’t take it so literally but I’ve seen a lot of places with mixed drinks maybe not shots per se but in the $25-$40 range those can add up big time.
Then all you can really do is take the hit. What else can you do? If you agreed to bring her to that expensive restaurant in the first place then it's on you. What's the alternative, tell her which menu items she can and can't order?
Then next time YOU choose the restaurant. You have all of Manhattan to work with. There are a plethora of wonderful restaurants in the city with ambience and excellent food, but without those stunning budget killing options.
I googled “farm-to-table New York City” and found this:
https://g.co/kgs/Y1KqNg
Good ambiance. Good location. $38 is the most expensive dinner entree item on the menu. $16 for a cocktail. Not saying it’s a place that you have to go to, just picked somewhere arbitrary for a quick example. Can easily escape $25-40 range mixed drinks even in Manhattan.
I like taking my OTCs to nice restaurants, especially if we've known each other a while. Good food with a hot girl is a simple pleasure I enjoy, so I always go to decent restaurants and decent hotels, and if she's an ATF we'll go to increasingly nice ones. That said, I agree completely with Rick that there are fantastic restaurants with amazing ambiance that aren't necessary $50 a shot. And, on top of that, I've just never had this happen, even though in places like Saratoga and SF there's plenty of opportunity for it... perhaps partially due to the fact that I'm not taking a stripper to a really expensive restaurant unless I know her well. This notion of "$75 a plate, you barely know the girl" isn't something that I'd do.
For me, I’d let her order up to a point and then say something like “save some cash for your after dinner gift” just to let her know she was ordering against her own interests. At least I hope so. I’d probably just be a pussy, say nothing and pay it.
@Nice you know what I really should do more research before but I’m kinda spontaneous sometimes where I’ll just be on a street and see a spot and say let’s just go here consequences be damned. And then you end up in a fucked up situation haha. But I don’t want to be doing research on my phone looking at prices with a chick I just met it breaks up the flow you know what I mean?
@Jimmy lmao I think that’s great answer and real one too.
cocktails and shots are almost never that price. A good port, cognac or whiskey might cost that much for a glass. i am not going to deny my date if i am ordering something like a 30 or 40 year old taylor fladgate. The proper thing to do is to help her pick.
I've only ever had one girl try to spend my money like that but she wasn't a stripper hoe. Just a hoe lulz.
You can have a great dinner date for under $300.
Fair enough, but all the same comments apply. There are plenty of nicer restaurants to be found in those areas that won't put you in that position.
Try some Pappy Van Winkle, Eagle Rare, Blanton's, etc.... For scotch even a crappy blend like Johnny Walker Blue will run you more than $50.
Secondly, if you cannot afford what is on the menu do not go there to eat. NEVER try to impress a girl you are paying. I took a girl to Ray's on the River here in Atlanta... She ordered Filet Mignon and a Lobster tail. She only ate one bite of the lobster, I asked if it was bad preparing to send it back, She said "I don't know, I've never liked seafood and I ordered that because it was the most expensive so I figured it had to be the best". These girls for the most part will be impressed with anyplace they do not have to unwrap their food.
Augustino's in hoboken. inexpensive and amazing italian. anyone will be impressed. getting a reservation is a bitch. I usually make one right after i eat for the next time
i've not had Blanton's... do you recommend it?
Compromise idea: search Yelp, Instagram, google reviews, weekly newsstand free publication in the restaurant review section, foodie blogs, etc for a bunch of places spread all over your territory that seems like it might be appealing and that you want to get around to trying eventually. Quick glance at the menu online for prices and eliminate if too expensive.
Have a document in your phone broken down by zip code or neighborhood or something. This is your food bucket list. When the time comes, pull out the document and pick something. Possibly let the date have input from the list.
But idk. I’m the kind of person who is dorky enough to enjoy the idea of making plans for something or putting lists together and when time comes not actually doing half the stuff I meticulously think of. But spending a day or two putting something together will probably help you, at minimum, be able to eyeball a place and intuitively figure if it’s to your liking or not.
But dates don't have to be expensive anywhere. If you want fine dining yeah you'll pay $$$. But you can find historic places. Popular holes in the wall. Yoi can create a vibe anywhere. You can do something trendy...most girls like trendy places.
But you have no reason to impress a hooker
I will say it’s not always the case. One stripper loved for me to take her to a nice dinner date because without me doing that, she never would be able to do that. She was appreciative of it, not doing it to take advantage. Probably not the norm.
Here’s how you handle a whore at Red Lobster. You go directly to the dining room. You stop at the tank - and make sure the whore looks directly in the face of a defenseless lobster - and you tell her how only a sociopath would order a lobster after that. If she actually orders lobster - make sure she doesn’t carry a knife in her purse (no offense to blah).
When you are seated - you notice the table is wobbly - and immediately use the drink menu to steady the table. You order drinks for the two of you - and you make sure to keep track of her drinking.
Also, Red Lobster is greasy broiled food. I recommend you push the Free Cheddar Bay Biscuits - to avoid a misfire later in the evening.
Your welcome!
"Nice dinner date?
C'mon @Mutty -- everyone knows you're famous for car dates in your 1998 Kia hatchback. And you throw in a bag of cheetos for good service."
^ Lmfao! What is your issue with car dates? Did you catch your ophthalmologist on a car date with another dude?
Also, you need to work on your spelling you smug prick. Op's name is spelled Muddy, not Mutty
Please don't give her any more false hope shailynn. It was bad enough when I had to let her down the first time. 😉
For the vast majority of them I'd have to agree, but they come in all different mindsets. There are definitely some girls who need to feel like an outing is about more than sex for money so that they "don't feel like prostitutes." That was the case with almost every girl I ever took out to dinner/drinks/etc. Funny I know given the realities of the situation, but sometimes one has to role with it if one wants the girl enough.
Get da $5 lapperz in were too
Smart talk
Come to think about it, she got me free pussy from her friend so I would pick up the $20-$30 tab. Clever.
congratulations my space geneious hat is off to u
Anyway, establish ground rules before meeting. "I have x to spend on dinner and the rest of the night. Whatever is left of that after dinner is yours to keep." If she wants money, she'd be a lot more cautious. And go during a happy hour if possible.
Well I did provide her bed and breakfast. Breakfast was about 1 PM though.
The second time a different friend needed to crash she just gave me a thank you BJ and slept in my spare room.
Both times all valuables were accounted for afterwards, which was my only hesitation :-)
My philosophy on this is simple: If you can't pay the freight, don't do the date. For example, if a guy brings a girl to an expensive restaurant, don't be surprised if she orders something expensive.
I haven't done any fancy dinner outings for some years now, but the few times I did I was prepared. But I DO sometimes bring "friends" to check out other clubs and when I do, I'm prepared then too Between a steady supply of $12-15+ fruity drinks and the tipping from my stack that they inevitably want to do to make friends and smooth things over with the home turf girls, it can get expensive. So be it. When I do this, I'm having fun too and I go in knowing what I signed up for.
And finally, when I feel like she's burned through what I'm willing to part with that night for non-sexual activities, I move the party to the hotel room for the finish. Easy peasy.
But if you're talking about guys who really just want to take the girls out with no backend payoff, then maybe they deserve what they get, lol. Those types of guys probably don't have the balls to have that kind of limit conversation anyway as they are often eager to please.
Just because that’s your experience doesn’t mean you have a clue to what anybody else’s relationship or arrangement might be.
Your ultimate goal needs to be to work through the pain of perceived rejection and move closer to that ultimate goal of acceptance and reconstruction. I'm rooting for you Nice - I really am.
===> ""I have x to spend on dinner and the rest of the night. Whatever is left of that after dinner is yours to keep." If she wants money, she'd be a lot more cautious. And go during a happy hour if possible."
The advice was quite obviously given in the context of a paid encounter, hence the follow-up question. Shorting a girl because she ate something more expensive than you wanted is rather difficult if a big reason for your payment is the after-sex.
But keep in mind too that my lens has a rather wide view given how many of these things I've done over the last 20 years. This includes girls who purportedly weren't expecting the money for the sex as much as their time, yet I noticed counted the money carefully at the end of the night. IME when you throw sex in the mix with a girl who you are already paying for related services, she tends to get a loss less relaxed about how her return on the interaction. So I'm going to remain skeptical about any story in which a girl is perfectly fine with having sex with a guy who is paying her for [insert here] and then gets shorted because her drinks were too expensive.
But the good news is that you're clearly starting to move from denial to anger, which is the next stage in the grieving process. That is a sign of healthy progression. Keep up the good work!
Rick
Years ago, there was one dancer that would text me out of the blue for coffee and a sandwich every so often if she was in town and killing time. She was interesting to talk to, and I guess she felt the same about me. Sometimes there was adult (paid) entertainment built around these meets, and sometimes not.
That still wasn't a date.
@Muddy: Sorry if our posts derailed this thread for you. It was an interesting topic.
RD
I was specifically addressing Wiffle's advice about setting a dollar limit for the night and then shorting the girl when she spent too much of a guy's money on food/drinks/etc. That is why I asked about the sex element, which I never received an answer on before you and nice suddenly waded in with the posting frenzy. My posts have been consistently on point - which is that sex changes the equation as to how easy it would be to adjust a girl's final payment downward.
I think you can make appropriate penance by having a friend write “Rick the Lion ROAR!!!” on your ass and posting a pick. Don’t be afraid to spread your cheeks for the perverts on this site. Just pretend that you’re auditioning for the backroom casting couch web site.
All will be forgiven. ROAR!!!
a special sexy lesbianese friend so there is no need for ms spice to learn to write using a mirror and most importantly so they can lez out afterward
your welcome for this geneious information
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