I do. I am in that fragile category and the state has me in phase 1b for vaccinations. I'm just waiting to be told when and where. I'm anxious to get back in the game.
Can't imagine why not. It will be a long time until I am in a group which gets vaccinated, I think, but I'm likely to go ahead as soon as reasonable. Aside from simple lack of availability, and a few allergic or otherwise reactive people, are there other reasons why someone would not get vaccinated?
I’ll be at the front of what ever line they let me get in, as a senior I hope that is early on. Only a person who believes full on conspiracy theories wouldn’t. Note the “therories” in conspiracy theories.
I'm not in any risk catagory, so it won't be available to me for a while. And theoretically since I have already had Covid, I dont' need to. But I probably will anyway. I"m guessing around April.
And TJ, you probably already had it and just didn't know. Over 80% of the people that get Covid 19 are totally asymtomatic.
Yes but I won't get it for awhile, unlike my wife who while not a health worker is in the same union as the nurses and as such is considered essential personnel and probably gets it in a few weeks.
In general, I'm all for vaccination. This is a new type and I feel a bit rushed. I'm not in a high risk category at all. In a few months when its closer to being an option for me, I'll look at whatever data is available to me and make a decision. It's likely I'll get it, but I certainly won't be trying to skip ahead in line or even rush to be the first in line for general availability.
I am going to get it as soon as it is available for me. I am looking forward to the time that enough people have been vaccinated that we can began to live our lives fully again.
I’m planning on getting it. I’m not in a risk group so by the time I get it there will be a lot of additional data about its safety and efficacy from it being administered worldwide for 4-6 months. I’d get it tomorrow if that was available and am fine waiting my turn in line.
Typically get flu shots each year so no different w/ this. Initially was concerned about potential long term side effects but more I look into it the safer it appears.
I've already had it but I will probably get vaccinated eventually for work reasons. I won't be giving it to my kids though as I see no sense whatsoever in giving them a rushed to market vaccine for something that isn't dangerous to them anyway.
A survey of nurses in Southern California revealed that two thirds do NOT plan on getting vaccinated, at least not yet. The main reason is they think this vaccine may have been rushed through. I wonder what they are telling their patients.
^ Schwing
The UCLA survey found that the majority of workers felt the vaccines were rushed out of Operation Warp Speed.
Hmm sounds like a lot of folks don't trust this administration, I wonder why
Currently, the risks of the vaccine itself outweighs the risks of coronavirus. This is not only a rushed emergency vaccine, but is an entirely new form of vaccine manufacture. mRNA has never been used before, and the first use will be for universal vaccination under an emergency use authorization? No. I do appreciate all of you volunteering to be guinea pigs, however.
I'm waiting for a standard deactivated virus vaccine, with proof of long-term efficacy and safety against multiple strains of the virus. There is no conspiracy theory, just legitimate concerns regarding the long-term consequences of having something new and barely tested injected into me to overwrite my cells into creating foreign proteins.
Exactly, Longball! Only three months and only 600 people. This is too little data to determine safety and efficacy.
The best recommendations I have read are from people waiting 12-18 months after widespread vaccinations in their country of origin (to determine genetic complications) and country of residence (if the vaccine formulation differs), to have reliable data on safety and efficacy.
Remember, whether live attenuated virus or mRNA technology, efficacy maxes out at 94.5% for three months. That's best-case scenario. You will still have to wear a mask, you will still have to remain socially distanced, and you have no guarantee of immunity. Why put yourself at risk for crippling narcolepsy, Bell's palsy, autoimmune disorders, cancer, or prion disease? I'm not high-risk, so my odds are better against the virus.
Not until either 1 million have received it and I see it is safe or 5 years since inception, whichever comes first. Then, I will assess my personal immunity via blood IGM and IGG levels. If I have IGG to SARS-COV-2, then NOPE.
Nidan, having antigens to a particular strain of COVID does not guarantee immunity against that strain, much less other strains. CoVID antibodies decrease a to a level susceptible to reinfection within 6-8 weeks after recovery.
I had a discussion with my physician on this topic. The technology using mRNA has been in development for approximately 10 years. When the covid-19 bug hit they were ready to go very quickly and it was just a question of tweaking it and testing it in populations. Testing is where a dramatic increase took place in the scale of the tested populations and cutting down the red tape of approvals. This shortened the testing phase.
The medical community is taking it so naturally I feel comfortable taking it. Of course you can point to outliers who won't for whatever reason.
While I am not a high risk profile of being harmed by it I actually care not to infect others if I unknowingly become infected. I also have elderly parents. So yes I will as soon as it is made available.
MRNA technology has been around for 30 years and the woman doctor in Germany who designed the Pfizer vaccine has been working on it for decades. The only part that is new is using it in a vaccine.
There were 43k people in the Pfizer trial, about half of whom got the vaccine. There are additional other trials going on, both for the Pfizer vaccine and other vaccines.
Just the other day, I was thinking about my 3rd lap dance. Fantasia was leaning back against me and my hands slowly slid up her torso and rebounded off her underboob. She made a happy giggle noise. So my next slide up had a bit more momentum and my hands, for the 1st time, learned the glory of perfect boobs, each finger meeting her firm nipples.
And I thought of the first time Sunshine unbuttoned and pulled up my shirt and pressed her perky breasts against mine while purring on my neck.
And my last lap dance with its endless petting and caressing and prolonged session of mutual nipple play and wonderful grind that took me close to the edge.
Fuck YES, I’ll get the vaccine as soon as it’s available.
considering that there already is a remedy currently being used in several countries and working wonders in other countries why vaccinate? especially with a concoction that took less than a year to develop. don't vaccines generally take years to be effectively tested and developed before being sent out?
before you head off to the doctor's office youtube a doctor pierre kory.
Ivermectin or HCQ, or even something proven like remdesivir, is not a substitute for a vaccine. You won't stay on a preventive therapy forever, and even if you survive the infection, we don't know how long immunity will last or when the virus may mutate.
And if you're afraid that the vaccine was "rushed," they still ran trials in tens of thousands of patients who are getting watched like a hawk. This isn't a Trump vaccine, it's an industry vaccine. I'm in pharma and I'm more comfortable taking a vaccine than ivermectin or HCQ.
If you want to wait and see, mask the fuck up and stay distanced. Don't infect strippers and delay further opening.
Yes, but I'm in a marginal risk group, i.e. not a front line worker, no other complicating conditions. In addition, I'm not shy about saying I'll wait to observe others who get it before assessing my own risk.
say a pallet, case, etc arrives at a hospital. have a random individual pick out a box out from the delivery. open the box. open the vial and then fill up the syringe. and now instead of televising a frontline worker getting injected how about a deblasio, cuomo, fauci, gates, or anyone else of that ilk get shot up in front of the cameras?
Yes to vaccine, unless advised otherwise by my doctor.
I'm in the same age bracket as shadowcat and I also have a chronic health problem that puts me at elevated risk.
Also, in the past few years, I've had serious bouts of bronchitis sometimes not fully resolving for four or five months. Those experiences nullify any concerns about vaccine side-effects.
It's not correct to say the vaccine risks are UNKNOWN; it is accurate to say that the risks are not FULLY KNOWN and won't be, probably for several years.
So there's a degree of uncertainty, some people choose to accept it, others avoid it by rationalizing and foreseeing catastrophe to cover their fears.
The Pfizer phase 3 trial was on 22k subjects. Safety and efficacy was extrapolated from that data. Guillain-Barre Syndrome occurs approximately 2 per million in the annual flu vaccine. A serious adverse reaction occurring 1 per 250k, 1 per 100k, or even 1 per 50k might not have manifested in a 22k sample. Most serious adverse reaction to vaccines historically present within 6 weeks. I'm okay waiting my turn since I am not in any high risk category. With a larger pool of data Spring 2021, I will likely take it.
Currently, CDC is not advising convalescent patients on the vaccine because there is no data. Likewise for pregnant women.
Finally, this is a very individual decision, so I don't get the people who are down-voting responses whether one choses to be first in line or wait a bit.
The best you can hope for from a rushed, under-tested, and unproven injection is a 94.5% chance of immunity for 6-8 weeks. This is all published and documented by the manufacturer. No one has published information on resistance to various strains. It will be interesting to watch this unfold.
Gamma, I haven’t read the study, but is the immunity AT LEAST 6-8 weeks? I.e., they’d only been running the study for 8 weeks at the time it was published and so they can’t YET say how long immunity lasts? There wasn’t anything in the study where a person got the vaccine and then got Covid 9 weeks later, was there? If the antibodies from the vaccine are at all like those from having the virus and recovering, then it would seem (in my wholly nonmedical opinion) that the immunity is likely to last much longer than 6-8 weeks. It just hasn’t been proven yet because, time.
Read what I wrote. Even your minimal level of reading comprehension should he able to grasp it. If not, well, I stated a long time ago that you're too fucking stupid to waste much time on.
Even if it were to provide just 8 weeks of immunity, I'd take it. It would be one crazy 8 weeks.
OTOH, the producers are only going to promise what they can deliver or less. Like the restaurant that tells you it will be a 30-minute wait when they know it will be closer to 15 or 20. Under promise and over deliver equals a happy customer. If they had said 10 minutes, most would be going nuts after 11 minutes.
And for the record, I will be in line for the vaccine as soon as I am eligible. Got a pretty good bank stored up for not having been clubbing for 9+ months. Waiting for those three magic words, "Stick It In!"
In a few months we will have a longer timeframe for the Pfizer vaccine.
Odds are the protection has a fat tail. It's not a light switch where you are covered for 7 weeks then suddenly not. Odds are the protection starts to fade after a while. Likely we will need to do annual boosters like we do flu.
I suppose it's frustrating the vaccine isn't necessarily going to be an invincibility shield. But collectively the more of us are vaccinated the less it will spread, and it will cut risk.
I respect those who personally want to wait for more data. I have friends who were in the Pfizer trial and it treated them just fine, so for me the rewards greatly exceed the risks.
"Why are so many young "men" bitchier than women? Wah, you misunderstood my incoherent, devoid of fact post, Wah, I am young, wah"
Pure, crystallized, unfiltered, hilariously hypocritical, and unintentionally self referential post EVER on TUSCL. I got a good chuckle out of that one.
I haven't counted and statistically compiled the responses, but our responses seem to trend more towards taking the vaccine to resume the hobbying than larger national polls do. The last one I remember had 2 out of 3 planning to take the vaccine.
The most reasonable responses have been along the lines of allowing each person to make the decision for themselves. I remain unconvinced that the current data demonstrates a level of efficacy and safety that outweighs the risks of forgoing taking the injection at this time. If I were in a high risk group, I might feel differently.
The Oxford vaccine isn't far away from being approved by MRHA here in UK. When it is it will be a real game changer. It's significantly cheaper per dose and can be kept at ambient temperatures. The UK company making it has committed to up to 200 million doses for the U.S. already.
If you are only going to have the vaccine if it's free that's plain crazy. Anyway, will it not be free?
@london guy, it's not free, but it's already been paid for, with taxpayer dollars,
I'm still going to get vaccinated as soon as they make it available to the folks in my age group and status
Funny, I don't see many people saying, "Yes, I'll take it, because that will cause me to be less likely to infect other people." Rather, the responses seem to be more along the lines of, "I won't take it, because I am unlikely to get the disease myself for XYZ reasons (less contact, have already contacted, am healthy, know a lot of people who didn't get it, etc.)," or, "I will take it, because I trust the medical community and/or administrative systems in place so I know it won't harm me."
I kinda figgered the right way to think about it, is, whether or not you'll infect OTHER PEOPLE. All y'all who are NOT getting the vaccine for the above reasons, have you figured out how many people you have already infected or how many you will infect as an asymptomatic carrier? To me, it's about duty to fellow citizens. I want to be a good member of society. That's, of course, presuming that the vaccine is not dangerous, unreasonably risky, likely to be a failure at preventing transmission, etc.. If you have good medical reasons to believe that it actually won't be effective (at keeping you healthy; or, at keeping others healthy), maybe you know more than I do. But if your reason for not getting the vaccine is simply, that you don't feel that you personally are at a high risk to get the disease (or to suffer from it, if you do get the disease), then you're missing the point, I think. Maybe a lot of you who aren't interested in getting the vaccine actually would rephrase your reasoning to state something like, "I am unlikely to transmit it to anyone else," in which case, I'm sorry to have wrongly misread some of your statements, don't let me put words in your mouths. But if it's just, "I don't really think in terms of other people, I'm willing to take on the risk for myself and if that also increases the risk for other people then fuck them" then, hey, go live in a taliban-controlled place like Afghanistan or Mississippi OK?
If you think the vaccine is only about your own responses, then, I'd call you a shirker. In WWII my great-uncles and other relatives knew what to do about shirkers who didn't fulfill their duty to the regiment. According to their stories, those people just "happened" to suffer friendly-fire injuries that got them booted back to some other location. Don't want someone who isn't pulling his weight, still stuck in the middle of the unit. Trump has convinced most of the USA that selfishness is a national virtue.
Not sure if anyone on this thread actually fills that "shirker" definition but I felt it bears mentioning. Not a lot of people (in this thread, or, where I encounter people outside TUSCL all over, via internet or daily life) seem to be working on the understanding that epidemics are about group transmission. Who let these idiots get out of grade school with such an unclear notion of the social contracts under which we all live? Well, anyway ...
James isn't wrong. Facing the facts, the Oxford/AZ vaccine was not tested as rigorously and lacks the efficacy of the other two vaccines. It is more appropriate for the underdeveloped countries that lack the infrastructure necessary to meet the stringent storage and distribution requirements of the moderna and pfizer vaccines.
I also agree with JamesSD and Gammanu95. The the analysis of the AZ/Oxford was based on only 5,800 non-placebo participants in their phase 3. Showed 62% efficacy except for the 1,300 participants that accidentally got 1/2 strength in the initial dose. Nothing in those last two sentences should instill confidence.
I will be happy to take the vaccine when it is available to me. I invest not an ounce of breath or concern for others that choose differently. My choice is to reduce the risk of getting Covid-19 personally and hopefully eliminating my potential to pass it on to others.
"Aside from simple lack of availability, and a few allergic or otherwise reactive people, are there other reasons why someone would not get vaccinated?" I fully agree.
The allergic reactions are mostly due to the carrier (propylene glycol -- yes radiator fluid). Several other meds have it as well and winos drink it. By the way Covid is an RNA virus and this is an RNA vaccine -- I'd go with the vaccine in my cells instead of the living stuff that is trying to eat me.
Also, it is not safe to get COVID, even for kids and even if the symptoms are mild. Even if you don't die there are tons of arrythmias, cardiac vascular damage that can be life long, and neurocognitive changes (crazy people), and kidney damage. You are basically aged several years independent of how old you are now.
Woodrow Wilson (yes a president), got that one and he lost his marbles. Couldn't hold a thought after that. Some say the second world war is a result of him not carrying through with fixing Germany.
At present most of a million people have had the vaccine, and 20,000 have 6 mo follow up.
No. Not until its proven safe. The manufacturers are immune from law suits. It was pushed through too soon for political reasons. And the virus keeps mutating.
Woodrow Wilson was supposed to "fix" Germany? WW2 occurred because the treaty of Versailles required Germany to disarm, pay reparations and give up land. Rampant inflation made the mark so worthless (venezuela) that it made life in Germany unlivable. Wilson suffered from episodic dementia and it was caused by arterial sclerosis and not a vaccine, like the inane ant-vaxxers claim. Every virus mutates and the idea that people who party and have sex with sex workers now draw the line at a vaccine is actually pretty funny. My brother-in-law has been in intensive cae due to covid through 23 days and three surgeries. Bet if he was conscious he'd recommend the vaccine.
What's wrong, snowflake? Still can't admit when you are wrong? That would be a good New Year's resolution for you, just of one [very, VERY] many personal improvement projects you should work on. No need to thank me, I am here to help.
When I look at you Gam I see nothing more than a bug; a whiny, little bitch bug. The idea that being a bug is an improvement is very stupid. Then again, you are a very weak, stupid, little bug. You attack people like you're a 12 year old girl. Young "men" of today are like little girls from back in the day and it just makes you so damn mad you stamp your feet and cry. Go make fries little bug.
Answer my original question, plainly and without your usual hostility, aggression, and ad hominem attacks. Since you seem to be using your BiL's infection as a cautionary tale for others to take COVID-19 seriously and to be vaccinated, does that mean that you are now taking it seriously yourself? Are you advocating for vaccines but not masks, or have you begun to see the precautionary wiadom of wearing a mask?
Young men irrationally fear older males. No idea why since we didn't when we were young.i guess growing up in the internet age made those born male, grow to become fearful bitches. A real man wouldn't be so whiny game.
I am advocating for nothing. Pointing out that for some, covid-19 is deadly and should be considered when making a vaccine decision. Much more adult view than your retarded Donald Trump conspiracy theory stupidity. I think you're a lying sack of shit and a pissy little dick so I am hostile towards you.
You spew baseless opinion and bile, without any logical or rationale argument to back it up. I doubt you are a lawyer, and if you are, you must really suck at it. Of course you do, you tell us all the time how much you hate your job. You are more likely a sum-zero clerk or paralegal at best.
You have also publicly and proudly proclaimed yourself to be an worthless troll.
Finally, you claim to be an unabashed free market capitalist, but when you are not blowing every commie on TUSCL, you are taking it up the ass from them.
Go take your butthurt somewhere else, I am done with you.
Stupid phone aaargh... In any event I don't advocate for or against masks. Since 5/6 when I reopened my office everyone gets a choice to wear one or not. I don't. If I guy to a private business that requires one, I wear one out of respect for their right to set rules being the same as mine. Same as on Government property. Our 10:00 p.m. curfew? I ignore it. If I fly our of state I get tested when I come back. If I drive I don't. I don't advocate for or against the vaccine. I will get one and my wife is up for one in january. If others don't, its their business. One thing in all of this I find appalling; is those who feed us the bullshit that "we owe" it to others to wear masks for the common good. We owe tohers? You mean the same we owe them not to commit crimes or support those who do? The way we owe others to not take up more than our share of taxes by doing drugs, having children you neither want, nor can afford? The duty we owe each other to pay taxes? Work hard? G9ve to charity? Yeah, whatever.
You make me laugh Gam. I was done with work before noon, with my 7 hours in. I don't care what you think of me, the same way I don't care about other bugs. Kind of funny that your latent homosexuality reared its little head in your last post. Use lube when you spread em lol. You can't upset me little boy, its ski season and life is friggen awesome. By the way Blizzard Bonafides, Nordica speedmachine 120, and marker bindings. New set up for our February ski vacation.
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And TJ, you probably already had it and just didn't know. Over 80% of the people that get Covid 19 are totally asymtomatic.
I think I am in one of the late groups, so it may take several months.
In general, I'm all for vaccination. This is a new type and I feel a bit rushed. I'm not in a high risk category at all. In a few months when its closer to being an option for me, I'll look at whatever data is available to me and make a decision. It's likely I'll get it, but I certainly won't be trying to skip ahead in line or even rush to be the first in line for general availability.
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The UCLA survey found that the majority of workers felt the vaccines were rushed out of Operation Warp Speed.
Hmm sounds like a lot of folks don't trust this administration, I wonder why
I'm waiting for a standard deactivated virus vaccine, with proof of long-term efficacy and safety against multiple strains of the virus. There is no conspiracy theory, just legitimate concerns regarding the long-term consequences of having something new and barely tested injected into me to overwrite my cells into creating foreign proteins.
The best recommendations I have read are from people waiting 12-18 months after widespread vaccinations in their country of origin (to determine genetic complications) and country of residence (if the vaccine formulation differs), to have reliable data on safety and efficacy.
Remember, whether live attenuated virus or mRNA technology, efficacy maxes out at 94.5% for three months. That's best-case scenario. You will still have to wear a mask, you will still have to remain socially distanced, and you have no guarantee of immunity. Why put yourself at risk for crippling narcolepsy, Bell's palsy, autoimmune disorders, cancer, or prion disease? I'm not high-risk, so my odds are better against the virus.
The medical community is taking it so naturally I feel comfortable taking it. Of course you can point to outliers who won't for whatever reason.
While I am not a high risk profile of being harmed by it I actually care not to infect others if I unknowingly become infected. I also have elderly parents. So yes I will as soon as it is made available.
MRNA technology has been around for 30 years and the woman doctor in Germany who designed the Pfizer vaccine has been working on it for decades. The only part that is new is using it in a vaccine.
There were 43k people in the Pfizer trial, about half of whom got the vaccine. There are additional other trials going on, both for the Pfizer vaccine and other vaccines.
Cites:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/the-…
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-releas…
And I thought of the first time Sunshine unbuttoned and pulled up my shirt and pressed her perky breasts against mine while purring on my neck.
And my last lap dance with its endless petting and caressing and prolonged session of mutual nipple play and wonderful grind that took me close to the edge.
Fuck YES, I’ll get the vaccine as soon as it’s available.
before you head off to the doctor's office youtube a doctor pierre kory.
but wouldn't that be a more reasonable preventive/remedy over a rushed vaccine?
And if you're afraid that the vaccine was "rushed," they still ran trials in tens of thousands of patients who are getting watched like a hawk. This isn't a Trump vaccine, it's an industry vaccine. I'm in pharma and I'm more comfortable taking a vaccine than ivermectin or HCQ.
If you want to wait and see, mask the fuck up and stay distanced. Don't infect strippers and delay further opening.
say a pallet, case, etc arrives at a hospital. have a random individual pick out a box out from the delivery. open the box. open the vial and then fill up the syringe. and now instead of televising a frontline worker getting injected how about a deblasio, cuomo, fauci, gates, or anyone else of that ilk get shot up in front of the cameras?
I'm in the same age bracket as shadowcat and I also have a chronic health problem that puts me at elevated risk.
Also, in the past few years, I've had serious bouts of bronchitis sometimes not fully resolving for four or five months. Those experiences nullify any concerns about vaccine side-effects.
It's not correct to say the vaccine risks are UNKNOWN; it is accurate to say that the risks are not FULLY KNOWN and won't be, probably for several years.
So there's a degree of uncertainty, some people choose to accept it, others avoid it by rationalizing and foreseeing catastrophe to cover their fears.
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For most of you the risk of death or chronic disability is relatively low, so no big deal. ‼️
Currently, CDC is not advising convalescent patients on the vaccine because there is no data. Likewise for pregnant women.
Finally, this is a very individual decision, so I don't get the people who are down-voting responses whether one choses to be first in line or wait a bit.
OTOH, the producers are only going to promise what they can deliver or less. Like the restaurant that tells you it will be a 30-minute wait when they know it will be closer to 15 or 20. Under promise and over deliver equals a happy customer. If they had said 10 minutes, most would be going nuts after 11 minutes.
And for the record, I will be in line for the vaccine as soon as I am eligible. Got a pretty good bank stored up for not having been clubbing for 9+ months. Waiting for those three magic words, "Stick It In!"
Odds are the protection has a fat tail. It's not a light switch where you are covered for 7 weeks then suddenly not. Odds are the protection starts to fade after a while. Likely we will need to do annual boosters like we do flu.
I suppose it's frustrating the vaccine isn't necessarily going to be an invincibility shield. But collectively the more of us are vaccinated the less it will spread, and it will cut risk.
I respect those who personally want to wait for more data. I have friends who were in the Pfizer trial and it treated them just fine, so for me the rewards greatly exceed the risks.
One thing I will do is wash my hands!!!!!!!!
Pure, crystallized, unfiltered, hilariously hypocritical, and unintentionally self referential post EVER on TUSCL. I got a good chuckle out of that one.
I haven't counted and statistically compiled the responses, but our responses seem to trend more towards taking the vaccine to resume the hobbying than larger national polls do. The last one I remember had 2 out of 3 planning to take the vaccine.
The most reasonable responses have been along the lines of allowing each person to make the decision for themselves. I remain unconvinced that the current data demonstrates a level of efficacy and safety that outweighs the risks of forgoing taking the injection at this time. If I were in a high risk group, I might feel differently.
If you are only going to have the vaccine if it's free that's plain crazy. Anyway, will it not be free?
I'm still going to get vaccinated as soon as they make it available to the folks in my age group and status
I kinda figgered the right way to think about it, is, whether or not you'll infect OTHER PEOPLE. All y'all who are NOT getting the vaccine for the above reasons, have you figured out how many people you have already infected or how many you will infect as an asymptomatic carrier? To me, it's about duty to fellow citizens. I want to be a good member of society. That's, of course, presuming that the vaccine is not dangerous, unreasonably risky, likely to be a failure at preventing transmission, etc.. If you have good medical reasons to believe that it actually won't be effective (at keeping you healthy; or, at keeping others healthy), maybe you know more than I do. But if your reason for not getting the vaccine is simply, that you don't feel that you personally are at a high risk to get the disease (or to suffer from it, if you do get the disease), then you're missing the point, I think. Maybe a lot of you who aren't interested in getting the vaccine actually would rephrase your reasoning to state something like, "I am unlikely to transmit it to anyone else," in which case, I'm sorry to have wrongly misread some of your statements, don't let me put words in your mouths. But if it's just, "I don't really think in terms of other people, I'm willing to take on the risk for myself and if that also increases the risk for other people then fuck them" then, hey, go live in a taliban-controlled place like Afghanistan or Mississippi OK?
If you think the vaccine is only about your own responses, then, I'd call you a shirker. In WWII my great-uncles and other relatives knew what to do about shirkers who didn't fulfill their duty to the regiment. According to their stories, those people just "happened" to suffer friendly-fire injuries that got them booted back to some other location. Don't want someone who isn't pulling his weight, still stuck in the middle of the unit. Trump has convinced most of the USA that selfishness is a national virtue.
Not sure if anyone on this thread actually fills that "shirker" definition but I felt it bears mentioning. Not a lot of people (in this thread, or, where I encounter people outside TUSCL all over, via internet or daily life) seem to be working on the understanding that epidemics are about group transmission. Who let these idiots get out of grade school with such an unclear notion of the social contracts under which we all live? Well, anyway ...
The allergic reactions are mostly due to the carrier (propylene glycol -- yes radiator fluid). Several other meds have it as well and winos drink it. By the way Covid is an RNA virus and this is an RNA vaccine -- I'd go with the vaccine in my cells instead of the living stuff that is trying to eat me.
Also, it is not safe to get COVID, even for kids and even if the symptoms are mild. Even if you don't die there are tons of arrythmias, cardiac vascular damage that can be life long, and neurocognitive changes (crazy people), and kidney damage. You are basically aged several years independent of how old you are now.
Woodrow Wilson (yes a president), got that one and he lost his marbles. Couldn't hold a thought after that. Some say the second world war is a result of him not carrying through with fixing Germany.
At present most of a million people have had the vaccine, and 20,000 have 6 mo follow up.
I'm going to get it as soon as they let me.
Answer my original question, plainly and without your usual hostility, aggression, and ad hominem attacks. Since you seem to be using your BiL's infection as a cautionary tale for others to take COVID-19 seriously and to be vaccinated, does that mean that you are now taking it seriously yourself? Are you advocating for vaccines but not masks, or have you begun to see the precautionary wiadom of wearing a mask?
I am advocating for nothing. Pointing out that for some, covid-19 is deadly and should be considered when making a vaccine decision. Much more adult view than your retarded Donald Trump conspiracy theory stupidity. I think you're a lying sack of shit and a pissy little dick so I am hostile towards you.
You have also publicly and proudly proclaimed yourself to be an worthless troll.
Finally, you claim to be an unabashed free market capitalist, but when you are not blowing every commie on TUSCL, you are taking it up the ass from them.
Go take your butthurt somewhere else, I am done with you.