Does this change anything ?
Preliminary results from the official autopsy claimed Floyd, 46, had not died from strangulation or asphyxiation. It blames his death on a combination of heart disease, 'potential intoxicants in his system' and being placed in restraint by police officers
That's like saying if you punch a senior citizen and they lose their balance and hit their head and die, that it was b/c of their old age and losing their balance and not the punch
I heard today that there are police departments that warn against that type of constraint and some even ban it b/c it can be dangerous and potentially deadly.
Well this is one way to stoke the fire.
The cop was clearly in the wrong. The question is on what level crime can he be convicted. Murder ? Manslaughter ? Involuntary manslaughter? That’s where the autopsy is relevant.
The social justice mob will turn it into a murder first degree, if they get what they want. Thats going to be easier to get off scott-free than manslaughter.
@mark94: Actually it's not relevant unless it clearly exonerates the cop, and this result doesn't do that. In MN, the facts we know so far still warrant a murder charge.
@chessmaster: These two men apparently knew each other because both worked security at a club there and their shifts overlapped. It may actually be first degree murder depending on whether that's relevant to what happened.
I have a better question. Why do any of us care ? While this event is tragic and the police officer was in the wrong, why does this have ANY impact on anyone outside of the man's family ?
I was discussing that with a friend yesterday. We were curious is the autopsy would show his cause of death to asphyxiation (compression of the chest), strangulation (compression of the airways in the neck), blockage of the carotid arteries, or some damage to the neck. Do you have a link to that article?
If, in fact, Derek Chauvin's knee on Ffloyd's neck did not kill Ffloyd, then it would only remove the murder charge. It was still unnecessary in every way after he was handcuffed and restrained. No matter how violently someone resists arrest, you can handcuff them, hobble them, and put a spit bag over their head.
People still need to cool down and let the investigation continue and all facts come to light. Riots breaking out all over America will only result in more pain and suffering during an already painful time.
The cop is a scumbag the protesters and those who support them are in fact, scumbags too and not a bit better. George Floyd was a scumbag and won't be missed; the cop who murdered him (second degree) is a scumbag and should be tried and executed, but won't because its only first degree murder if you're ignint.. He won't be missed. Looters should be shot; arsonists should be shot; those blocking traffic maced and beaten.
Force was excessive. He was in handcuffs and under restraint. Hopefully they throw the book at the other officers. The only way to eliminate this problem is to also punish those who allow it to happen
Imprison all the voters who by electing Democrats to positions of power put the people in place who caused this.
Here’s a link. The author is an attorney in Minneapolis.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the report concluded he died of COVID 19.
I just want to know "What The Fuck" is wrong with those other three cops involved here, that none of them intervened in any meaningful way. Not even to say hey man that's enough, the four of them deserve to hang, what ever Floyd did, they were not supposed to be judge jury and executioner, these cops need to be reined in and made to pay a price, they as much as any outside agitators incited a riot and for their actions they need to answer.
This officer, evidently, was a bad apple with a long history of excessive force complaints.
25, one of the three cops actually did try to get the other cop to stop. At least, there is a report to that effect. Also, George Floyd said he couldn’t breathe while he was standing next to his car.
But, let’s not let the facts get in the way of your version of justice.
@Mark, My version of justice c’mon man that a total cop out if these guys didn’t know they were being filmed and an issue was going to be made about this situation than they deserve to be prosecuted for being terminally stupid. Either way this is something that could have been avoided with a normal modicum of common sense.
Mark, your sources of news seem to be unique, since I haven't heard any of this myself. I for one, trust the mainstream media most of the time and distrust Russian bots.
@mark94 when thoughts like "should i post this bullshit topic?* come to your head. view the link below. When you think blaming the rioters on what happened view the link below? If you think a future news article which noted he George received detention in middle school for playing hookie makes the officer's action ok please view the link below. Get it?
Loper : My source is the Hennepin County Medical Examiner. Yours is the mainstream media, which has been perpetrating hoax after hoax to further a political agenda.
NJBalla: I said none of the things you claim. I simply posted facts from the Medical Examiner that contradict whatever fantasy you have constructed to fit your politics. Of course, you’d rather no one challenge your viewpoint since can’t defend it factually.
Just to be clear, it appears that the cop likely did something that deserves jail time. But, until we have all the facts, we don’t know the truth.
Meanwhile, thugs and criminals are destroying hundreds of businesses providing jobs for hundreds of innocent, hard working people supporting their families.
Mark you do have all the facts, Floyd could have been, raping, or on a shooting spree, before he was placed on the ground. At that moment where the police officer sits on him for over 8 minutes and floyds telling the officer he cant breathe is murder. Flip the switch, for example if Floyd is sitting on the officer, would the officer be justified in shooting Floyd? the sources where you get your news are doing an outstanding job of programing you. you clearly dont have independant thought.
Why isn't this in the political forum?
Only a buffoon would call any of this shit protesting.
Salty: I never said the cop was justified. I continue to believe he is guilty of........something.
But, there is still so much we don’t know. The meme that a racist cop, aided by three other racist cops, choked a black man to death has led to riots across the country. But, we now know that some of that meme is wrong. George Floyd was not suffocated. There is still so much more to be learned. Was the cop racist or simply someone with violent tendencies ? What role did the other three cops play ?
My main point is, before we burn down our cities and declare that violence justified, let’s take a few days to gather the facts.
^ Who the fuck is calling the violence justified, you need to stop spinning this there is a reason That this shit is spiraling out of control part of the reason is those Cops were not arrested immediately if the actions had been reversed Floyd would have been sitting in a jail cell from the day that this incident happened
“Why isn't this in the political forum?“
I posted it in the Front Room as a news item. But, the discussion very quickly became political. That happens a lot these days. Going forward, any topic other than blowjobs will likely become political and I guess I should just start there.
^You are the reason it became political with you everything is political
“Who the fuck is calling the violence justified“
The mainstream media has been filled with people saying the “protesters” actions were understandable.
No man they are saying it’s understandable not justified big fuckn difference that’s just your politics spinning yarns
Do we need a definition of what "political" is ? There has been no discussion of Left or Right in this thread. But are racial issues considered to be political ?
im surprised the riots/looting didnt start sooner, due to how the government was enforcing an unconstitutiknal quarantine. Floyds death was the spark needed to start the brush fire.
Actually, I don't need someone else's definition of politics imposed on me. Or the attempt, rather. The "left" and "right" is an arbitrary, artificial construct to make concepts easier for people to grasp. It's obvious that the majority of this thread is deeply political and off topic.
At least poledancer was able to make her post referencing the Minneapolis incident topically relevant to a strip club forum.
“ Who the fuck is calling the violence justified”
Trevor Noah said that the looting taking place following George Floyd’s death is the result of the “social contract” that America has broken with the black community.
Black people “watch time and time again how the contract they have signed with society is not being honored by the country that has forced them to sign it with them,” he said. Noah also blamed law enforcement for the widespread violence: “If the example the law enforcement is setting is that they do not adhere to the laws, they why should the citizens of that society adhere to the laws when the law enforcers themselves don’t?”
Old people need timeouts, too!
^ So now Trevor Noah is the mainstream media as well as the spokesperson for all black folks SMH Try a little compassion and honesty man enough with the spin
25, I remember you putting the spin on COVID cases being mostly found in the US and far surpassing other #s found in other countries, and you stating those #s were facts. Project much?
What you’re putting words in my mouth I don’t think that your reading comprehension skills are up to par
Bad cop get a ton of complaints and nothing happens. Average joe gets a few complaints on the job and his ass is out the door.
I guess Rick dugan and several other members can’t read either, because they called you out on your spin of the #s too. You stated the facts were that the US has more cases than any other nation, which is true, but what was left out was the under reporting of other nations. I don’t want to waste anyone’s time bringing up the link, but what is true is everyone has a bias to spin, in all cases.
“ Who the fuck is calling the violence justified” Nobody with any common sense is calling the violent protest justified, but senseless people are.
Cardi B - "Too much peaceful marches, too much trending hashtags and NO SOLUTIONS! The people are left with NO CHOICE" "Seeing people looting and going extremely outraged, it makes me feel like, 'Yes! Finally! Finally motherf---ers is gonna hear us now. Yeah!' And as much as people is so against it, at this point I feel like I'm not against it." wjla.com/news/entertainment/cardi-b-takes-to-social-media-to-speak-on-nationwide-protests-death-of-george-floyd
@Meat Rick Dugan trolls me every chance he gets and twists everything I say to make an argument I’m telling you that I never claimed what you’re saying
Whether it was underlying conditions that caused his death, or the knee to the neck, bottom-line is he was alive b/f he got the knee to the neck and breathing and walking.
w.r.t. what they charge him with, like chessmaster mentioned, if they go for the max, it may be harder to get the complete jury to agree to the max charge so more of a chance he gets off - but one would think w/e they charge him with that a jury will find him guilty if anything b/c they will fear the backlash of a non-guilty verdict (no matter the specific charge).
"... Why do any of us care ? ..."
Everyone should care when there is an injustice done especially when a life is lost due to that injustice - there are plenty of bad-apples in police-departments and one day we or someone we love can suffer a similar fate - just b/c one does not know Floyd personally IMO does not mean one should not care.
^ he was a human-being and got his life taken from him and it didn't have to happen - not caring means changes are not made and it continues to happen
Ironically, I was just wondering why it us taking us so long to get to the moon this week. Imagine if society just treated each other with respect and focused on the bigger picture. Drop the cop off in Antarctica and lets figure out how to get to Mars.
@Papi. 👍👍
Geez @Meat it’s still true what I said we have about a quarter of the reported cases in the world despite having about 4.5 percent of the world’s population what’s your problem so take out the numbers that you don’t believe we still have a way disproportional rate of infected folks stupid circular reasoning that y’all practice stupid as fuck
@Warrior. "While this event is tragic and the police officer was in the wrong, why does this have ANY impact on anyone outside of the man's family?"
Because the system (initially or entirely) doesn't recognize that the officer was in the wrong and doesn't deliver an appropriate punishment for their wrongs, and because of that, the officer could keep his badge (or have no problem obtaining another), continue the brutality to other people, and get off with little repercussions. You'll have no idea if the next cop you interact with will be the next Derek Chauvin.
In fact, this was not Derek's first foul play: pbs.twimg.com
Sources that support: mercurynews.com
People care because the silence and the "at least it's not me" outlooks combined with the ridiculous criminal justice system has convinced these 'bad apples' that they'll have no consequences to worry about when they go too far on their next victim (who may or may not be you or someone you care for). And people get fed up when the warnings they've been giving about these officers for the longest time go ignored and nothing changes. When ignored, the brutality goes on, and the protestors greatly increase their measures to be "heard".
If you want to put yourself in George's family's place and simply reject any sympathy or help from the mass of witnesses because you believe you can argue against the system all by yourself and deal with the mental and financial costs of pain/suffering from the completely avoidable loss of your family by yourself, the outreach and the message that "the police officer was in the wrong" will be NOWHERE near as big.
Fucking low-class protesters - they are protesting against violence all the while inflicting violence- fucking low-lives; beyond stupid but that is what low-lives (to those protesters actually engaged in violence) - currently watching CNN and seeing cars being attacked by protesters trying to smash their windows and in once case the POS trying to open the car's door to pull out the protester - America is filled with so many POS's.
And hardly anyone in the media has the balls to call out the violence of the protesters - they are seen as "righteously angry" and thus giving them a pass w.r.t. their violence - un(fucking)believable
I have a hard time believing how violent protests in LA and Phoenix helps spread the message of change for injustice. It only provides fuel to the fire, figuratively too.
"... currently watching CNN and seeing cars being attacked by protesters trying to smash their windows and in once case the POS trying to open the car's door to pull out the protester ..."
Meant to type the lowlife protester was trying to open the car-door to pull out the driver trying to get past.
There are minority protesters everywhere attempting to peacefully voice out their pain and a demand to destroy injustice.
And then there are those kids that just want to destroy the windows of Five Guys under the guise that they're "protestors". They're not helping the situation.
Watching my local-news and seeing the "protesters" walking onto I95 and blocking the traffic and causing a major traffic jam and not letting cars thru - way to set an example by continuously breaking-the-law
If you think the protests are bad now, I don't even want to think about what it would be like if this piece of shit is somehow acquitted.
->@skibum: "The cop is a scumbag the protesters and those who support them are in fact, scumbags too and not a bit better. George Floyd was a scumbag and won't be missed; the cop who murdered him (second degree) is a scumbag and should be tried and executed, but won't because its only first degree murder if you're ignint.. He won't be missed. Looters should be shot; arsonists should be shot; those blocking traffic maced and beaten."
The intensity of the opinions expressed (shooting looters) sounds a lot like my grandpa. He vocalized many opinions about LE, one of which was that USA should adopt what was then red China's enforcement penalty re drugs (including weed) - that anyone caught possessing any illegal drug should be executed, no questions asked, regardless of whether possession or sale (and not sure if this was actual red China policy, but he was under the impression it was). He was an awesome guy, love my grandpa, but he was pretty extreme on some opinions - I remember him being displeased when I challenged him parroting Reagan's phrase about the Nicaraguan Contras being "freedom fighters" and me suggesting they were corrupt remnants of the Samoza regime.
Agree though with the Papi, Eve etc. comments about the violent protesters being stupid and not helping the situation.
Sorry if I'm repeating something already stated. At least in Atlanta, it was easy to spot Antifa anarchists. They worked the fringes, damaged property and police cars and started fires. As chaos ensued, the looters went to unprotected areas to steal. Neither the anarchists or looters give a crap about protesting or the core issues driving the anger and frustration. They are simply opportunist.
What I’m struck by is the obvious coordination of Antifa among all these cities. These “protests” did not spring up organically. They are too similar and too organized. The BLM protestors likely are local and spontaneous. Same with the looters. But, these Antifa guys standing behind the lines, coordinating movement on walk-in talkies, pre placing bricks for later protests, lobbing rocks and bricks over other protestors at the cops, are part of someone’s plan. I’d like to know who funded all the buses bringing Antifa to the target cities.
Another terrific thread, @Mark! As @Subra would say, awesome!!
I have this theory that if you get handcuffed, turned face down, and someone stands on your neck for 10 minutes it can kill you. If a video of the victim records him saying "I can't breathe" it might just be evidence that he can't breathe.
Just a theory, mind you.
@Warrior: "blah, blah....why does this have ANY impact on anyone outside of the man's family ?"
Just a guess, @Warrior, and after giving this careful thought (for 1 microsecond), I think, perhaps, black people are tired of being treated like human garbage.
So do Asian women who marry white men with a STEM degree who philander with women 30 years younger.
"So do Asian women who marry white men with a STEM degree who philander with women 30 years younger." hypergamy at its finest. fuck 'em-they aspire for that shit and eventually have to face the consequences.
"What I’m struck by is the obvious coordination of Antifa among all these cities."
Are people surprised when an ambulance chasing lawyer commercial pops on asking "have you been injured"? Or when "leaders" immediately go to shut strip clubs down when a completely unrelated event happens? Hello COVID. Don't be surprised that some people are waiting to take advantage of a bad situation and manipulate others who are prone to manipulation. Also consider that it's not just people throwing bricks and looting who can be misled.
"The devil's finest trick is to persuade you that he does not exist." - Charles Baudelaire, said better by Kevin Spacey and Al Pacino in a couple of movies.
"What I’m struck by is the obvious coordination of Antifa among all these cities."
No, it's not the least bit obvious and there's little evidence. Some are blaming groups on the far-right, others are blaming Antifa, others are blaming drug cartels. There's no shortage of unsubstantiated nonsense. Most likely this is enraged and misguided blacks. They should find a way to deal with their rage and, instead, VOTE.
The rioters are the useless people in this country called progressives. So funny to watch a preview of the future of this country with Democrats in control. The left is a worldwide embarrassment to humanity; yet nowhere near the disgrace called mainstream media.
Miami was supposed to open the beaches tomorrow but they will remain closed due to the violent protests.
Em i a bitch? as a law abiding tax paying citizen this pisses me off:
I follow the rules, but then these people, probably havent paid any taxes. the police is quicker to punish me a law abiding citizen then these clowns, because law abiding citizens will be stuck with the bill. Police need to step up and put these clowns in their place. Floyds killer is in jail already.
w.r.t. the violent protesters - from the pictures I've seen a lot of them are young white men and women which fit the profile of the Antifa types - not saying there is just one type of person committing acts of violence and taunting the police, but a lot of them seem like young white ultra-leftists types.
" from the pictures I've seen a lot of them are young white men and women which fit the profile of the Antifa types"
You've seen a few pictures of young white men & women which leads you to believe that they're "Antifa types?" What kind of nonsense is that? What if stated that young white men are likely to be white nationalists? Can anyone post a shred of evidence that Antifa is playing a dominant role? Because I suspect the Antifa references are pure, unadulterated, propaganda.
^ I said they fit the profile - most violent anarchist protesters in past protests have been young white people - whether these current protesters are those young-white-anarchists one can't say for sure, they don't go around announcing themselves and their affiliations when they are committing violent crimes
Got it. You don't have a shred of evidence that Antifa is behind tge rioting.
How do you know they aren't white supremacists they fit the profile as well and some how it seems more likely, I mean as long as we are trading stupid conspiracy theories LOL
It's an opinion - I'm not stating a fact - take your sugar-baby's dildo out of your ass
Ohh dayumn looks like I struck a nerve LOL
^ that wasn't for you - it was for the "let me argue for the sake for arguing" person above you
^Which one it seems like they're all like that LOL
^ let's just say it's a random member and leave it that
LOL haha
Dude has been arrested already. Hopefully the rioters and looters and property damagers can move on to the Fed Reserve buildings now.
(Dear government agencies: I’m just joking!)
@Papi: "I'm not stating a fact"
Well, that's the point I was making, dipshit. The Antifa conspiracy theory was also stated as a "fact" about 10 times (lost count) today by someone at the State Department.
Fuck off
This is my opinion based on previously having trouble breathing when on the bottom of a football pile or lifting weights without a spotter. The autopsy is probably accurate when it says "being placed in restraint by police officers" I do not think he died from the knee on the side of his neck. Try putting your hand on the side or back of your neck and pressing as hard as you can. You can still breathe.
When you are laying on your stomach and don't have your arms under you, it only takes 50-100 pounds on top of you before you have trouble breathing. The 2 officers where applying pressure to his back while he was on the ground being pressed against a hard surface which probably caused his death. I do not agree with the autopsy statement that he did not die from asphyxiation because it was clear that he was having trouble breathing due to the restraint by police officers.
"The 2 officers where applying pressure to his back while he was on the ground being pressed against a hard surface which probably caused his death. I do not agree with the autopsy statement that he did not die from asphyxiation because it was clear that he was having trouble breathing due to the restraint by police officers."
Yeah, thats a ufc move. They would never let someone hold their knee on another persons head and neck like that for 8 minutes.
Randumbmember proves why he is Randumb!
Antifa caught handing out cash to “protestors”. Or, do you want to argue this is a white supremacist ?
Mysterious piles of bricks appearing near protests
this is a bit more inspiring mark cnn.com
I'm watching my local-news and all they are doing is showing the protests - seems almost all millennials and on the younger side of millennials - many of the images I'm seeing in Miami seems many look in their late-teens to early-20s - they interview one young black chick and her message was "these are our streets; we're taking the streets"; while they block major highways and don't allow folks to do what they need to do and go where they need to go; fucking-morons.
I'm all for organized protesters with a sound-message - but most of what I'm seeing is a bunch of tatted-up looking losers that have never had any power nor success in their lives and now they think they have some power.
I can respect Martin Luther King style marches/protests where they obeyed the law and obeyed others' rights to go about their business (March On Washington, Montgomery Bus Boycott, etc) - but most of these current "protesters" are just fucking morons that think they know something and most likely don't know shit - seeing the images it seems a lot of them are just in the protest for the fun of it and to be part of the scene.
I'm all for protesting against police brutality but the looks of these protesters and their actions frankly turn me the fuck off.
“What we need in the United States is not division;
what we need in the United States is not hatred;
what we need in the United States is not violence or lawlessness;
but love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another,
and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country...”
~ Senator Robert F. Kennedy ~ Statement on the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. ~ Indianapolis, Indiana April 4, 1968
All these fucking anti-government/anti-police protests have never gotten anywhere nor accomplished anything going all the way back to the 60s - they may have a temporary effect due to their disruption but no lasting effect nor changes - as far as I'm concerned these "protesters" are not bringing anyone to their side nor convincing anyone of whatever message they may be trying to espouse; and I don't even think they have much of a message other than "yeah we're bad - we got power - we're taking over the streets" - they have no respect for the law nor the rights of drivers that need to get to their destinations.
There's a curfew in Miami at 8pm - let's see what happens.
Taunting police and screaming insults at them and blocking streets is not what gets me to take you seriously.
In the Miami protests almost all I'm seeing is people in their teens and early-20s that seem to just wanna be part of the action
Trump has declared Antifa a terrorist organization. That means, if Antifa members are arrested during riots, they face 5 years in jail. That should be a wake up call.
Anarchists/communists are usually smart as fuck - they are super-adept at "leading from behind" and often not getting their hands dirty - they are experts at agitating and riling up young people that are jacked up on emotions but lack comprehension of the bigger-picture and are often easily-manipulated and used as puppets - not saying all those protesters are being driven by anarchists but doesn't seem to be unusual in situations like these that anarchists types see an opportunity for their agenda.
On one hand, I'm seeing all these violent rioters that are doing nothing but stoking the flame and increasing the police intervention that they're trying to avoid. A few have been identified as undercovers (ie: dressed as civvies but found with bulletproof vests, hidden handcuffs, and a wire attachment.).
On the other hand, I'm also seeing lengthy footage on Twitter and Reddit of a few officers approaching and attacking the peaceful protesters that... really aren't doing much of anything besides sitting or standing holding a sign. People are saying they're being aggressive against reporters as well. What's also popping up is footage of cops stopping and arresting drivers that are out past the mandatory curfew that are trying to get home that may or may not have been part of the protest. How are you supposed to tell the police or prove where you're going if they're just going to pull you out of your car and arrest you anyway?
It seems both sides have some aggressors that aren't making the situation any tamer, and it's frustrating to watch.
There's a curfew in Jacksonville now too starting at 8PM. Protests have started here yesterday. During the daytime, it looked like everyone (over 1200 people) had their act together and gave a peaceful protest successfully. Then dusk came along and a few people stayed out for the evening while the majority of the protestors went home and started going buck wild on the cops, their vehicles, and some properties.
If everything was peaches and cream earlier, why resort to that?
White “protestor” tries to damage JR Smith’s vehicle. He chose poorly:
“Protestors” beat a woman with 2x4s as she begs them not to damage her business. Clearly, they were acting out of respect for George Floyd.
Antifa isn't a real organization. It's more akin to a philosophy.
Basically good luck legally proving membership. Trump once again is stupid.
That said, I hope the violent protestors and cops punishing peaceful protestors are both punished. This is America, peaceful political protest is literally what this country is all about.
"... White “protestor” tries to damage JR Smith’s vehicle. He chose poorly ...'
That's what these punks deserve - I imagine that punk may think twice b/f continuing with his "civil disobedience".
I think these "freedom fighters"/"protesters" are being given too much fucking slack - if you are breaking the law, you're not a protester, you're a fucking douchebag - I don't give a fuck how angry you are "or claim/pretend to be", doesn't give you the fucking right to break the law and there should be zero-tolerance for that shit - all these punks destroying others' property/business/etc, someone should go to their house and destroy their house and their car and then let's see how they like it; or block them from leaving their home when they need to go to work or do something else - most of these protesters are just f'ing fakes and f'ing losers that think they are more than they as think they are some fucking martyrs vs inconsiderate little-shits that think they know better than everyone else - def does not apply to all protesters but I'm less than impressed with all these "protests" even though I believe something needs to be done about doing away with the old blue-line and many old-school police tactics/behaviors that seem to still be part of many police departments; I just don't support the way the "protesters" are going about it - they need to do it by the book else they lose all credibility in my eyes.
Well - between Covid-19 and this; it's been a hell of a 2020 (and we're not even halfway thru)
Restaurant GM sucker punched by mourners of George Floyd. They are overcome with grief
“Antifa isn't a real organization. It's more akin to a philosophy.“
Well, whatever it is, Twitter just suspended it.
"What's also popping up is footage of cops stopping and arresting drivers that are out past the mandatory curfew that are trying to get home that may or may not have been part of the protest. How are you supposed to tell the police or prove where you're going if they're just going to pull you out of your car and arrest you anyway?"
Very carefully? TUSCLers would know to use their "nothing to see here" voice while smoothly explaining they were intending to do the right thing while appearing to be hovering around a do not cross line.
I will say something harsh. How much sympathy am I supposed to have for some guy who appears to have been driving impaired and therefore did not have concern for others well being?
Why is there so much rioting when the government has done the right thing in this case? Immediately there was universal condemnation of the cop (even from the president), the officers were fired and one has been arrested.
We also need better leadership from mayors and governors. They only make TV statements when they should be on the streets engaging with the protesters in person.
"How much sympathy am I supposed to have for some guy who appears to have been driving impaired and therefore did not have concern for others well being?"
I'd expect somebody who claims Baltimore to have a better understanding of poleeece/people death ratios.
Shoot the rioters and looters. If you like what you see, vote Democrat.
Shoot the right wing InfoWars crew that joined the rioting and looting to film themselves setting a homeless man's belongings on fire.
I’m not a fan of infowars, but I think it’s fair to point out their denial, backed by video
Lol is that why the homeless man was walking and shouting towards the infowars cameraman? Make it make sense.
He literally says to infowars cameraman, "what are you doing?! I live here!"
There is a crowd of young people in black cheering the fire. Essentially wearing the Antifa uniform. The camera guy is 30 yards away documenting what’s happening.
Two possible explanations
The homeless guy approaches the camera to get his message out.
Alternatively, infowars staged an elaborate hoax involving dozens of people dressed as Antifa protestors. The homeless guy realized they were all with infowars and he blamed the camera guy as their leader.
Ocham’s Razor.
The correct answer is 2. That is exactly what seems to have happened. No shit.
So the theory is blacks and progressives can't even riot, loot and burn correctly and need instruction?
They can't kneel correctly either. No form of protest is ok for blacks.
And, hm... looks like the independent autopsy says he died from asphyxiation due to sustained pressure. Shocker.
Lets see a lawyer who makes his living suing municipalities goes out and hires an "expert" and that is independent? Seriously? The "expert's credentials"? One year as Medical Examiner in NYC 41 years ago. Gets tougher every day to hire a qualified liar I guess.
Dude, it's clear as day on camera that the man's neck had a knee in it and the officer didn't stop even after Floyd repeatedly said he couldn't breathe AND STOPPED BEING RESPONSIVE. Oh, while handcuffed the entire time. It's on video, have you watched it? If you can't see that is flat out murder in front of your eyeballs, then you can't see.
I actually posted many days ago that I would charge the officer with second degree murder, and that was before this fraudulent autopsy came out, but the simple fact is that the second autopsy was performed by a paid cretin and wasn't independent under any stretch of the imagination. Only left wingers feel comfortable lying so brazenly, as if anyone believed a word they said. George Floyd was a piece of shit, but didn't deserve to die. The cop was a piece of shit and has been arrested and charged, The fake protests and the violence is total bullshit and proves democrats are simply unable to lead.
Two things can be true at the same time. The cop is a murderer. The looters are thugs. They all belong in prison.
Skimbum when you fuck your wife's dried up pussy do you keep you kkk hood on or off?
Rhetorical question. Lol I know the answer.
Nina you are just a stupid fucking cunt. Hope something terrible happens to someone you love.
Ok, klansman.
That remark, while typically ignorant, is acceptable. Part of your previous remark was not.
Ok, klansman who shoots out sawdust when he fucks his wife's dries up rotten vagina.
Too funny Nina. You have so little worth having in life, here's some charity: you win.
I KNOW.
We now have a little more info as a result of a press release from the Hennepin County Medical Examiner
The "other significant conditions" listed by the medical examiner were "arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; [and] recent methamphetamine use."
So, a guy with heart disease was using meth and fentanyl. Not the best decision.
Crime, like sports is for younger men.
HERES My charity to you Skibum....
You win!
"So, a guy with heart disease was using meth and fentanyl."
You can not spin this, MPD killed him
So MPD had Floyd under arrest and failed to render first aid...makes them look worse.
i would like to know more about the back story between floyd and that scumbag cop.
“So MPD had Floyd under arrest and failed to render first aid...makes them look worse.“
And, what would that first aid look like ? A guy with heart disease was using meth. Do you understand how dangerous that was ? Meth causes a spike in blood pressure and a racing heart. If he was in an ER, they would do blood tests. Echocardiogram. Maybe angioplasty surgery. But, the cops were supposed to administer “ first aid”.
^ So kneeling on his neck is your definition Of what is a good look SMH Fuckn guy is dead yet you keep characterizing him as less than human you people attacking a dead man are idiots
Narcan only counters the effects of opioids. It has no effect on methamphetamine. Zero.
“ So kneeling on his neck is your definition Of what is a good look SMH Fuckn guy is dead yet you keep characterizing him as less than human you people attacking a dead man are idiots“
Nope, never said that. The one cop acted criminally. He deserves to be punished.
On the other hand, George Floyd put himself in a very dangerous situation. Taking meth with heart disease. Possibly passing a counterfeit bill. Before you put him up for sainthood, recognize that he made some bad decisions that contributed to his death.
I’m not putting anyone up for sainthood the fact that you are trying to create extenuating circumstances is not goin unnoticed SMH
The logic behind these riots requires a belief that -All cops are racist and corrupt -All people of color are victims -Anyone who is successful must be corrupt -The solution is to burn it all down
I’m not “creating” extenuating circumstances. I’m pointing out that reality is much more nuanced than the simple meme being used to justify violence.
I don’t believe that all cops are racist I do believe that it is tooeasy for racist cops to escape justice because of the type of system it is, (not racist) bureaucratic But that’s typical of the type of posts that you make every single one has a political slant to it and you get your information from what I consider to be questionable sources
HERES My charity to you Meat72....
You win!
But my meat will always be bigger
HERES My charity to you BBBC....
You win!
The protests are nothing more than the way certain communities show why they fail. No successful community would support George Floyd and denigrate Ben Carson
Y'all really are more upset about a football kneeling peacefully than a cop, on camera, kneeing a black guy to death. Flat out murder on camera. But when Kaepernick kneeled, he was worse than the cop and you racists were switching to New Balance instead of Nike. You are blatant racists if you're giving other reasons why this guy died besides being murdered by the cops. Reevaluate your pathetic, disgusting, klansmen lives. I'm SO happy I don't live with that type of hatred in my heart. I must be awful to carry around that racism. Pray for yourselves. God bless!
And, what would that first aid look like ? A guy with heart disease was using meth. Do you understand how dangerous that was ? Meth causes a spike in blood pressure and a racing heart. If he was in an ER, they would do blood tests.
Well maybe putting Floyd in a patrol car and taking him to the hospital. PD does not have to wait for EMS..a patrol car is an emergency vehicle equipped with lights and sirens.
Nina saying she isn't hateful just proves she's a bigot and a liar.
So, reporting on the Medical Examiner findings makes me a blatant racist. A pathetic Klansman. But, not to worry, Nina is praying for me. There is no hatred in her heart. Absolutely not.
Nina is a victim. She is entitled to say whatever she wants. Those who disagree with her need to shut the fuck up. They have no right to point out inconvenient facts. Hate speech !! It’s right there in the First Amendment: Free speech, unless Nina determines it’s hateful.
Nina: “Now go, clean the maggots out of your wonderful wife's pussy! Hurry up!“
Now, that’s a statement from someone with no hate in their heart !
"Nina is a victim. She is entitled to say whatever she wants."
I'm a victim? Of what? And yes I'm entitled to say whatever I want, look up the first amendment, stable genius.
"Now, that’s a statement from someone with no hate in their heart !"
You're right, it is.
Now keep explaining how I'm a victim and complaining that I have first amendment rights. Come on boy. Do your job.
And I thought the stuff they are showing on the news was violent
Boy? Racist comment by an ignoramus.
Nina: You seem to be lacking in self awareness as well as an understanding in logic. You spew hateful rhetoric while accusing others of being hateful. You tell others they have no right to share their thoughts, then claim an assault on your First Amendment rights. In psychological terms, that’s called projection. Accusing others of your own flaws.
"Boy? Racist comment by an ignoramus."
Calling a white dude a boy is racist now?
Boy, oh, boy...
My bad, I thought you wanted equality. Kind of pathetic that you whine when you aren't treated equally and whine when you are.
You whine all the time like a yappie tiny lapdog, shut the fuck up.
I'll give credit where its due as well. This one started off great...then took a nose dive as some folks just can't help themselves!
Ya caught me.
No judgement. I get it, very easy to fall into
The funniest part is when folks get called out for it and clutch their pearls. Like come on dude(s) you ain't gotta lie to me. Have your feelings and stick to them but please don't try to lie to me and present your feelings as facts
That's not as funny as those uninvolved in a conversation who are so self-important they have an uncontrollable need to chime in with their pretend facts.
What?
He's probably talking about me... he tends to do that.
Wrong again Nina. probably should have paid attention in High School.
High school is boring.
You are uncouth.
What?
Nothing funnier than a stripper with a thesaurus.
It's called having a vocabulary.
Nothing funnier than a Skimbum whose wife's name is MaggotPussy.
I come up with new things and you stand pat with the maggot pussy (admission) comment. Are you really an adult?
You come up with "new things"? I thought you were 84, not 12.
Neither, in fact today begins the 4 year countdown to full retirement age, 4 years exactly.
Question: does skimbum's penis shoot out dust into his wife's maggot pussy?
Second question: Who cares? Ain't nobody fucking either one of them!
Oh Boy, a TUSCL riot......
For fucks sake, do you guys even know you’re arguing about old news? The Hennepin County Med Examiner REVISED THE OFFICIAL AUTOPSY REPORT YESTERDAY. Cause of death? Heart attack while being restrained by police. HOMICIDE.
The drugs and heart disease are called “other significant conditions.”
So BOTH autopsies say the cops killed him. All you amateur doctors can post 200 more times if you want to argue about whether it matters.
Source (it’s half a page): content.govdelivery.com
Despite your huge ugly mouth Nina you couldn't fit my load into it. Do you fuck anyone for free or is it just cash and venmo?
"do you guys even know you’re arguing about old news?"
Yes, I was aware of the revised report. The question is whether these other side findings will be enough to keep the cops out of jail. Don't be surprised if there's no conviction.
That was weak skibum, you're just fantasizing over me again with more sexual acts. That's probably why your wife (Mrs. Maggot Pussy) called me a cunt. What woman in her 80s would want a man fantasizing over AND simultaneously arguing with a woman in her 20s? Does your wife have a penis as well?
At this point, I think the over/under is that one cop will be convicted of manslaughter and the others found not guilty. If so, will the riots be dialed up to 11 ?
I assume the other 3 will be found guilty of something for just standing around and not doing anything (but IDK what that would be) - plus at some point it seemed two of the the other cops were also on Floyd's back.
We haven’t heard anything from the cops so far. A good defense lawyer will come up with a good story. I’m not saying they are innocent but you never know what a jury will do. After a week, or a month, of riots in Minneapolis, they just need to find one juror who wants to nullify the verdict.
^ if anythingb/, c most people are fairly ball-less - I would assume when in doubt they would find them guilty of something b/c of fear of the "protesters" - but having said this, IMPO they should have done something to protect Floyd.
Nina you seem barely literate, and have come up with nothing new. Out of pity for you and derision for your loser community I will stop now.
Cool.
Homicide doesn't equal murder. Homicide can be justifiable. i.e the killing of a person in circumstances which allow the act to be regarded in law as without criminal guilt. A perfect example is the justifiable homicide of Michael Brown. It doesn't apply here imo, but if a jury found that Mr. Floyd faked a medical condition by falling down and claiming he couldn't walk/get into the cruiser, they could find that the officer was justified in ignoring the "I can't breathe comments". Still seems like second degree murder to me, but it could be used to justify a lower charge such as voluntary or involuntary manslaughter.
This is funny, Skibum609 and his side bitch duking it out on the board. Nothing like an entertaining lovers quarrel 👏👍
Ty. We'll be here all week.
Imagine if TUSCL had it's own reality show and this was one of the segments that boost up the ratings.
^ all we need is for Jerry Springer to join as moderator
Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!
I think Morton Downy Jr. would have been more fun RUH RUH RUH
But I can't get my Jerry Beads from Morton. ):
^But all Jerry had were fake, staged fights, on the Morton Downy Jr show those fights were the real thing, any one remember Roy Innes vs Al Sharpton or Geraldo Rivera vs Curtis Sliwa damn that was reality TV not the sissy stuf they try to pass off on us now LOL
Yeah skimbum, I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that not every homicide is murder. That's why "justifiable homicide" is a legal term.
This cop murdered that man. There was nothing justifiable about it, whatsoever.
@mark94 and @skibum,
Me and my boys are starting a GoFundMe for Officer Chauvin to help cover legal expenses.
Can we count on you?
What Chauvin needs is a white Johnny Cochran to save his ass
Nina and skibum sitting in a tree...
K I S S I N G...
OH WELL, YOU KNOW FHE REST OF THE STORY
Are your serious^ for how long can you hold your breath under water? the police officer is kneeling on his neck with his hands in his pockets. floyds also cuffed