George Floyd autopsy
mark94
Arizona
Does this change anything ?
Preliminary results from the official autopsy claimed Floyd, 46, had not died from strangulation or asphyxiation. It blames his death on a combination of heart disease, 'potential intoxicants in his system' and being placed in restraint by police officers
Preliminary results from the official autopsy claimed Floyd, 46, had not died from strangulation or asphyxiation. It blames his death on a combination of heart disease, 'potential intoxicants in his system' and being placed in restraint by police officers
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@chessmaster: These two men apparently knew each other because both worked security at a club there and their shifts overlapped. It may actually be first degree murder depending on whether that's relevant to what happened.
If, in fact, Derek Chauvin's knee on Ffloyd's neck did not kill Ffloyd, then it would only remove the murder charge. It was still unnecessary in every way after he was handcuffed and restrained. No matter how violently someone resists arrest, you can handcuff them, hobble them, and put a spit bag over their head.
People still need to cool down and let the investigation continue and all facts come to light. Riots breaking out all over America will only result in more pain and suffering during an already painful time.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2…
But, let’s not let the facts get in the way of your version of justice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Deg7Vrp…
NJBalla: I said none of the things you claim. I simply posted facts from the Medical Examiner that contradict whatever fantasy you have constructed to fit your politics. Of course, you’d rather no one challenge your viewpoint since can’t defend it factually.
Just to be clear, it appears that the cop likely did something that deserves jail time. But, until we have all the facts, we don’t know the truth.
Meanwhile, thugs and criminals are destroying hundreds of businesses providing jobs for hundreds of innocent, hard working people supporting their families.
But, there is still so much we don’t know. The meme that a racist cop, aided by three other racist cops, choked a black man to death has led to riots across the country. But, we now know that some of that meme is wrong. George Floyd was not suffocated. There is still so much more to be learned. Was the cop racist or simply someone with violent tendencies ? What role did the other three cops play ?
My main point is, before we burn down our cities and declare that violence justified, let’s take a few days to gather the facts.
I posted it in the Front Room as a news item. But, the discussion very quickly became political. That happens a lot these days. Going forward, any topic other than blowjobs will likely become political and I guess I should just start there.
The mainstream media has been filled with people saying the “protesters” actions were understandable.
At least poledancer was able to make her post referencing the Minneapolis incident topically relevant to a strip club forum.
Trevor Noah said that the looting taking place following George Floyd’s death is the result of the “social contract” that America has broken with the black community.
Black people “watch time and time again how the contract they have signed with society is not being honored by the country that has forced them to sign it with them,” he said.
Noah also blamed law enforcement for the widespread violence: “If the example the law enforcement is setting is that they do not adhere to the laws, they why should the citizens of that society adhere to the laws when the law enforcers themselves don’t?”
Average joe gets a few complaints on the job and his ass is out the door.
Cardi B - "Too much peaceful marches, too much trending hashtags and NO SOLUTIONS! The people are left with NO CHOICE" "Seeing people looting and going extremely outraged, it makes me feel like, 'Yes! Finally! Finally motherf---ers is gonna hear us now. Yeah!' And as much as people is so against it, at this point I feel like I'm not against it."
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w.r.t. what they charge him with, like chessmaster mentioned, if they go for the max, it may be harder to get the complete jury to agree to the max charge so more of a chance he gets off - but one would think w/e they charge him with that a jury will find him guilty if anything b/c they will fear the backlash of a non-guilty verdict (no matter the specific charge).
Everyone should care when there is an injustice done especially when a life is lost due to that injustice - there are plenty of bad-apples in police-departments and one day we or someone we love can suffer a similar fate - just b/c one does not know Floyd personally IMO does not mean one should not care.
Well here’s the thread twenty five and your wild conclusion to US COVID case #s. Your bias ran Supreme! #FACT
Because the system (initially or entirely) doesn't recognize that the officer was in the wrong and doesn't deliver an appropriate punishment for their wrongs, and because of that, the officer could keep his badge (or have no problem obtaining another), continue the brutality to other people, and get off with little repercussions. You'll have no idea if the next cop you interact with will be the next Derek Chauvin.
In fact, this was not Derek's first foul play: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZQlLIVUEAAG…
Sources that support:
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/30/m…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/20…
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/sto…
People care because the silence and the "at least it's not me" outlooks combined with the ridiculous criminal justice system has convinced these 'bad apples' that they'll have no consequences to worry about when they go too far on their next victim (who may or may not be you or someone you care for). And people get fed up when the warnings they've been giving about these officers for the longest time go ignored and nothing changes. When ignored, the brutality goes on, and the protestors greatly increase their measures to be "heard".
If you want to put yourself in George's family's place and simply reject any sympathy or help from the mass of witnesses because you believe you can argue against the system all by yourself and deal with the mental and financial costs of pain/suffering from the completely avoidable loss of your family by yourself, the outreach and the message that "the police officer was in the wrong" will be NOWHERE near as big.
Meant to type the lowlife protester was trying to open the car-door to pull out the driver trying to get past.
And then there are those kids that just want to destroy the windows of Five Guys under the guise that they're "protestors".
They're not helping the situation.
The intensity of the opinions expressed (shooting looters) sounds a lot like my grandpa. He vocalized many opinions about LE, one of which was that USA should adopt what was then red China's enforcement penalty re drugs (including weed) - that anyone caught possessing any illegal drug should be executed, no questions asked, regardless of whether possession or sale (and not sure if this was actual red China policy, but he was under the impression it was). He was an awesome guy, love my grandpa, but he was pretty extreme on some opinions - I remember him being displeased when I challenged him parroting Reagan's phrase about the Nicaraguan Contras being "freedom fighters" and me suggesting they were corrupt remnants of the Samoza regime.
Agree though with the Papi, Eve etc. comments about the violent protesters being stupid and not helping the situation.
I have this theory that if you get handcuffed, turned face down, and someone stands on your neck for 10 minutes it can kill you. If a video of the victim records him saying "I can't breathe" it might just be evidence that he can't breathe.
Just a theory, mind you.
@Warrior: "blah, blah....why does this have ANY impact on anyone outside of the man's family ?"
Just a guess, @Warrior, and after giving this careful thought (for 1 microsecond), I think, perhaps, black people are tired of being treated like human garbage.
hypergamy at its finest. fuck 'em-they aspire for that shit and eventually have to face the consequences.
Are people surprised when an ambulance chasing lawyer commercial pops on asking "have you been injured"? Or when "leaders" immediately go to shut strip clubs down when a completely unrelated event happens? Hello COVID. Don't be surprised that some people are waiting to take advantage of a bad situation and manipulate others who are prone to manipulation. Also consider that it's not just people throwing bricks and looting who can be misled.
"The devil's finest trick is to persuade you that he does not exist." - Charles Baudelaire, said better by Kevin Spacey and Al Pacino in a couple of movies.
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No, it's not the least bit obvious and there's little evidence. Some are blaming groups on the far-right, others are blaming Antifa, others are blaming drug cartels. There's no shortage of unsubstantiated nonsense. Most likely this is enraged and misguided blacks. They should find a way to deal with their rage and, instead, VOTE.
https://m.worldstarhiphop.com/android/vi…
I follow the rules, but then these people, probably havent paid any taxes. the police is quicker to punish me a law abiding citizen then these clowns, because law abiding citizens will be stuck with the bill. Police need to step up and put these clowns in their place. Floyds killer is in jail already.
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You've seen a few pictures of young white men & women which leads you to believe that they're "Antifa types?" What kind of nonsense is that? What if stated that young white men are likely to be white nationalists? Can anyone post a shred of evidence that Antifa is playing a dominant role? Because I suspect the Antifa references are pure, unadulterated, propaganda.
(Dear government agencies: I’m just joking!)
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Well, that's the point I was making, dipshit. The Antifa conspiracy theory was also stated as a "fact" about 10 times (lost count) today by someone at the State Department.
When you are laying on your stomach and don't have your arms under you, it only takes 50-100 pounds on top of you before you have trouble breathing. The 2 officers where applying pressure to his back while he was on the ground being pressed against a hard surface which probably caused his death. I do not agree with the autopsy statement that he did not die from asphyxiation because it was clear that he was having trouble breathing due to the restraint by police officers.
Yeah, thats a ufc move. They would never let someone hold their knee on another persons head and neck like that for 8 minutes.
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breakin…
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/its-…
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/us/flint-…
I'm all for organized protesters with a sound-message - but most of what I'm seeing is a bunch of tatted-up looking losers that have never had any power nor success in their lives and now they think they have some power.
I can respect Martin Luther King style marches/protests where they obeyed the law and obeyed others' rights to go about their business (March On Washington, Montgomery Bus Boycott, etc) - but most of these current "protesters" are just fucking morons that think they know something and most likely don't know shit - seeing the images it seems a lot of them are just in the protest for the fun of it and to be part of the scene.
I'm all for protesting against police brutality but the looks of these protesters and their actions frankly turn me the fuck off.
what we need in the United States is not hatred;
what we need in the United States is not violence or lawlessness;
but love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another,
and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country...”
~ Senator Robert F. Kennedy
~ Statement on the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr.
~ Indianapolis, Indiana April 4, 1968
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A2kWIa8wSC…
https://disrn.com/news/riots-destroy-30m…
On the other hand, I'm also seeing lengthy footage on Twitter and Reddit of a few officers approaching and attacking the peaceful protesters that... really aren't doing much of anything besides sitting or standing holding a sign. People are saying they're being aggressive against reporters as well. What's also popping up is footage of cops stopping and arresting drivers that are out past the mandatory curfew that are trying to get home that may or may not have been part of the protest. How are you supposed to tell the police or prove where you're going if they're just going to pull you out of your car and arrest you anyway?
It seems both sides have some aggressors that aren't making the situation any tamer, and it's frustrating to watch.
If everything was peaches and cream earlier, why resort to that?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/nba-…
https://mobile.twitter.com/AndySwan/stat…
Basically good luck legally proving membership. Trump once again is stupid.
That said, I hope the violent protestors and cops punishing peaceful protestors are both punished. This is America, peaceful political protest is literally what this country is all about.
That's what these punks deserve - I imagine that punk may think twice b/f continuing with his "civil disobedience".
I think these "freedom fighters"/"protesters" are being given too much fucking slack - if you are breaking the law, you're not a protester, you're a fucking douchebag - I don't give a fuck how angry you are "or claim/pretend to be", doesn't give you the fucking right to break the law and there should be zero-tolerance for that shit - all these punks destroying others' property/business/etc, someone should go to their house and destroy their house and their car and then let's see how they like it; or block them from leaving their home when they need to go to work or do something else - most of these protesters are just f'ing fakes and f'ing losers that think they are more than they as think they are some fucking martyrs vs inconsiderate little-shits that think they know better than everyone else - def does not apply to all protesters but I'm less than impressed with all these "protests" even though I believe something needs to be done about doing away with the old blue-line and many old-school police tactics/behaviors that seem to still be part of many police departments; I just don't support the way the "protesters" are going about it - they need to do it by the book else they lose all credibility in my eyes.
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breakin…
Well, whatever it is, Twitter just suspended it.
Very carefully? TUSCLers would know to use their "nothing to see here" voice while smoothly explaining they were intending to do the right thing while appearing to be hovering around a do not cross line.
Why is there so much rioting when the government has done the right thing in this case? Immediately there was universal condemnation of the cop (even from the president), the officers were fired and one has been arrested.
We also need better leadership from mayors and governors. They only make TV statements when they should be on the streets engaging with the protesters in person.
I'd expect somebody who claims Baltimore to have a better understanding of poleeece/people death ratios.
https://www.infowars.com/antifa-rioters-…
Two possible explanations
1. The homeless guy approaches the camera to get his message out.
2. Alternatively, infowars staged an elaborate hoax involving dozens of people dressed as Antifa protestors. The homeless guy realized they were all with infowars and he blamed the camera guy as their leader.
Ocham’s Razor.
And, hm... looks like the independent autopsy says he died from asphyxiation due to sustained pressure. Shocker.
Rhetorical question. Lol I know the answer.
The "other significant conditions" listed by the medical examiner were "arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; [and] recent methamphetamine use."
So, a guy with heart disease was using meth and fentanyl. Not the best decision.
You win!
https://www.narcan.com/first-responders/…
And, what would that first aid look like ? A guy with heart disease was using meth. Do you understand how dangerous that was ? Meth causes a spike in blood pressure and a racing heart. If he was in an ER, they would do blood tests. Echocardiogram. Maybe angioplasty surgery. But, the cops were supposed to administer “ first aid”.
Fuckn guy is dead yet you keep characterizing him as less than human you people attacking a dead man are idiots
Narcan only counters the effects of opioids. It has no effect on methamphetamine. Zero.
Fuckn guy is dead yet you keep characterizing him as less than human you people attacking a dead man are idiots“
Nope, never said that. The one cop acted criminally. He deserves to be punished.
On the other hand, George Floyd put himself in a very dangerous situation. Taking meth with heart disease. Possibly passing a counterfeit bill. Before you put him up for sainthood, recognize that he made some bad decisions that contributed to his death.
-All cops are racist and corrupt
-All people of color are victims
-Anyone who is successful must be corrupt
-The solution is to burn it all down
I’m not “creating” extenuating circumstances. I’m pointing out that reality is much more nuanced than the simple meme being used to justify violence.
But that’s typical of the type of posts that you make every single one has a political slant to it and you get your information from what I consider to be questionable sources
You win!
But my meat will always be bigger
You win!
Well maybe putting Floyd in a patrol car and taking him to the hospital. PD does not have to wait for EMS..a patrol car is an emergency vehicle equipped with lights and sirens.
Nina is a victim. She is entitled to say whatever she wants. Those who disagree with her need to shut the fuck up. They have no right to point out inconvenient facts. Hate speech !! It’s right there in the First Amendment: Free speech, unless Nina determines it’s hateful.
Now, that’s a statement from someone with no hate in their heart !
I'm a victim? Of what? And yes I'm entitled to say whatever I want, look up the first amendment, stable genius.
You're right, it is.
Now keep explaining how I'm a victim and complaining that I have first amendment rights. Come on boy. Do your job.
Calling a white dude a boy is racist now?
Boy, oh, boy...
You are uncouth.
Nothing funnier than a Skimbum whose wife's name is MaggotPussy.
Second question: Who cares? Ain't nobody fucking either one of them!
The drugs and heart disease are called “other significant conditions.”
So BOTH autopsies say the cops killed him. All you amateur doctors can post 200 more times if you want to argue about whether it matters.
Source (it’s half a page): https://content.govdelivery.com/attachme…
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Yes, I was aware of the revised report. The question is whether these other side findings will be enough to keep the cops out of jail. Don't be surprised if there's no conviction.
Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!
This cop murdered that man. There was nothing justifiable about it, whatsoever.
Me and my boys are starting a GoFundMe for Officer Chauvin to help cover legal expenses.
Can we count on you?
K I S S I N G...
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