GUAC is EXTRA

guacamole is extra in some restaurants.

Well - you would need to state what is is he wanted to see if he was asking for too much - o/w one is just dealing in suppositions

^^ did not understand, sorry, some typos and mixed up words

As an old white guy, I hope you don’t paint us all with the same brush. Would love to see a $20 dance. All dances in this town start at about $40 although you sometimes can negotiate.
BTW, love your new avatar 😝

@papi_chulo does it really matter what it is? It's her body, she only has one of it, so she has her right to charge whatever she wants for whatever extra people want. NOW will everyone agree with her prices and will she accomodate to the masses vs her own self-indulgence? maybe, maybe not But that's up to her whether she wants her business to rise or fall.

Ty FishHawk. I try not to stereotype people. TRY. I also have NOTHING against doing a $20 dance. Nothing. I also have nothing against a $40 and in Seattle we did sell $40 dances but they included allll the touching and then some. If Pensacola has anything going on I’ll go there but I haven’t heard much about it.

Understand too, sometimes the club makes the dance prices because they take a cut, sometimes they make the prices high because they want to encourage a certain kind of patrons to attend and to discourage a certain kind of patrons from coming. And sometimes the girls control the prices.

Kick them.in the nuts PSD

If that don't work I will dump a load for you

I don’t think my expectations are too unreasonable here, I’m not new to this job and I’m not shy, nor entitled but cmon.

Mack I’ve never kicked anyone in the nuts unless they asked me to lol.

Interesting. Do you think this just something with the regional economics?I mean is it a younger community with high earners and maybe not much of a coveted retirement area. In other words the retirees there may not have as much discretionary income as maybe other vibrant retirement areas?

I don’t know what “there” is because I mentioned two locations and not sure which one you’re talking about.

I guess either or both. Just thinking there may be a reason these old white guys are soo cheap.

As a white guy approaching middle age, it all makes sense to me. I always see how far we can push the boundaries on a table dance or lap dance, and am often told we need to upgrade for that. It's up to the dancer, whether she can convince me an upgrade will be worth it.

Upright, you should remember these old guys are on a tight budget. A lap dance today may mean no viagra tomorrow. Lol.

lol @ Gammanu. But are the old white guys on the west coast are a different breed?

I guess my point is that regional demographic difference may be explained by economics

Not asking someone to pay more than the going price, just do more dances. If you want to do xyz, spend at least $100.

The OP is too vague to really comment about intelligently. What does “ something somewhat extra“ mean? I can say wouldn’t pay $100 for a dance unless it was solidly into extra territory.

Not asking for you to pay $100 for a dance.

Spend $100, for $100 of dances.

PSG said "There is a belief on this forum that the older white gentleman should be the target customer..."

Not entirely surprising on a site mostly populated by older white guys.

^^ smart, that’s true.

Here in the dirty south from WPB to Miami a lot of what you described goes with the territory there are a few more strict clubs but you’d be better off asking for intell on specific clubs or areas than just trying to figure it out piecemeal

“ Spend $100, for $100 of dances.”

So I guess you’re saying spend $100 for 5 dances if you want to get touchy-feely. Sounds reasonable I guess, depending on the club. I know lots of clubs in the South where full contact is expected and the norm for a single dance. Others not so much.

PSD... I suspect that you're running into something that is either regional or club-specific. In Rhode Island, the standard lap dances are pretty high mileage. Lots of contact and mutual touching pretty much everywhere.

So, without knowing what you consider to be "extra territory", it's hard to say whether the problem is with your customers, or if you're dancing in a club where the dancers provide *a lot* for $20.

And in other news... your boobs are great.

PSG said "There is a belief on this forum that the older white gentleman should be the target customer..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g30nwCp…

Young Man Blues

Oh, well, a young man
Ain't got nothin' in the world these days
I said a young man
Ain't got nothin' in the world these days

Well, you know in the old days
When a young man was a strong man
All the people, they'd step back
When a young man walked by

But you know, nowadays
It's the old man
He's got all the money
And a young man ain't got nothin' in the world these days
I said
Ain't got nothing
Got sweet nothing

Everybody knows that
Everybody knows that
Everybody knows that a young man ain't got nothin'

Ooh, yeah
Everybody knows that a young man ain't got nothin'
In the old, in the old days
Oh, in the old days
Everybody stepped back when a young man walked by
They stepped back
They stepped back
They stepped back
They stepped far, far back, yeah

Have pity on the young man
They ain't got nothin' in the world these days, I said
They ain't got nothin'!
They got sweet fuck-all!

Yes thank you guys for all your comments and for being thoughtful and not just shrewd.

I am not just referring to one experience in one club. And, will say again, it’s not my first time dancing, I’m not entitled as a dancer, I’m not shy.

I’m not Cuban either, ok, but I get what guys are coming to the club for. 👍🏼

If this is a reoccurring thing, then perhaps find a way to gently explain what *you* do for $20. Might save both parties from frustration and awkwardness.

BabyDoc, great reference! I know The Who covered that song, but what blues artist originated it?

Them dang "Old white guys"

It is unfortunate when entertainment provider and entertainment consumer are too far apart on expectations. (My only knowledge is from reading on here, but) regional (or club) differences are considerable, ranging from air dances to 'I've got a great story to tell the guys'.

I hear your frustration. I've no helpful advice; only that if you danced in my town, I'm sure we could enjoy a $20 dance or a $100 worth of them while staying within comfort limits.

(I, too, like your avatar)

Ty, another thoughtful comment.

PSD, you’ve been dancing for a while and have been to different locations. I’m taking it that the basic notion is that you’re running into guys who want a lot but want it on the cheap, whatever it is they want. And that the expectation for cheap services comes from the older crowd too, not just the young guys.

Yeah, that’s frustrating if I’m understanding you correctly. Hopefully it’s just a bad stretch of tougher customers and things improve for you. From a customer standpoint I certainly want to get charged fairly but I understand that works both ways.

My expectations w.r.t. dance-mileage are w/e is typical/the-norm for a club - down-here in SoFlo typical dance-mileage is two-way-contact (her grinding, the custy touching T&A) - that is the norm in the clubs I go to and why I go to them - if it's a club where that type of mileage is not available, or dancers want a commitment of $X to be able to touch then that's usually not the club for me since I'm into variety and trying as many dancers as possible and I don't wanna commit to $100 on any particular dancer just to get what is considered in my clubs as basic/typical mileage - I also don't wanna commit to $X upfront b/c if IDK the dancer, I don't wanna get locked-in-to $100 worth-of-dances w/ a dancer that I don't like the way she dances.

So clubbing in SoFlo means one gets a 2-way-contact dance for every dance w/o having to commit to X upfront - having said that, I'm cognizant that time-is-$$$ for dancers and when I get a dance from a dancer is w/ the expectations I am gonna do at least 2-dances unless I don't like the dance, and if I don't like the dance and intend to stop at 1, then I minimize my touching and likely don't do any touching at all - so I go in expecting to do 2 at least, and not uncommon I do more if I click w/ her, but I won't commit to hard X # ahead of time in order to get what I'm used as typical dance-mileage in my clubs.

@Meat72

Mose Allison. He said the Who’s performance at Leeds was the best rendition ever or something to that effect.

PSD, come back to south Florida. Forget those OLD white guys. Middle aged ones are a lot more fun. :-)

Bump what warrior said. It's all about us Young Millenlials. We'll pay the good bucks to play. I got dem abs and illunet moneis. Holla at cha boi!

Warrior 😘 agree
Huntsman 💕 thank you for your nice comments
Papi 👍🏼 Gotcha, I think my dances are on par for what you’re describing and that’s why I’m frustrated, I think I’m giving decent dances.

Depends what everything means exactly I doubt it means EVERYTHING right that’s kind of crazy. Often times when i take girls dancing I take them to feel them out yes pun intended. If the first dance is lame, low mileage they aren’t gonna see dance #2,#3,#4 etc. Rarley would I ever think well lets just spend $100 and hope for the best. But look I look at the original post and think yeah she’s talking about me but I’m just conceited enough to think not that there is even anything wrong with that but even that I’m giving my dancer the *honor* to have me being into them

Thanks BabyDoc!

Front Room Make Out Session, w/ feeding her money.

Buying dances is a chump's game. Save booths and back rooms until it is time for your own pants to come down.

SJG

^^^ Fuck off SJG!
https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/30/rea…

^^^^ Meat72, on the toilet, one hand on his cell phone, the other hand holding up the crinkled copy of the US Constitution that he is going to use to wipe his ass.

SJG

^^Lmfao, chump!

Trump is living rent free in your head, which is a lot
Of real estate!

https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/30/rea…

SJG... you do realize that the OP is a dancer, right?

I suspect what PSD is referring to are those old guys that think a 20 spot entitles them to stick two fingers in her vagina or one in her ass, suckle her nipples like they're nursing, try to shove their tongues down her throat like she's the high school sweetheart from 50 years ago., etc., etc..

PSD, you have every right to have boundaries and if a guy doesn't like it then so be it. It sounds like you are working in a place where this stuff is so common that guys have come to expect it.
That's a tough spot to be in. The only solution might be to move to a better club and/or area to work.

Good luck.

Don't get into that situation. Front Room Makeout Session. Save booths and backrooms until it is time for your own pants to come down.

SJG

Rickdugan
Yes. And yes and yes and yes.

I agree with Papi on this one. If it's just grinding and two way contact which is USUALLY par for the course in the clubs I visit I wouldn't expect to have to string 5 dances together to continue that level.

But occasionally I do try to push the envelope. If the girl seems open and kinda freaky after a few dances I see if she'll let me feed. I know that's a bit extra and THAT usually gets me the response that I'll have to take her to VIP to do that. Or she'll contort her body in a way where it's clear she's not comfortable with that. Of course I cease and desist if she starts the contortions. As for the VIP offer I usually take them up on it if I've enjoyed their dances so far. I would also have no problems commiting to a longer block of dances to get that increased contact. Nothing like a great pair of boobs in my mouth.

Front Room!

Buying dances is a chumps game, and it creates problems with mismatched expectations.

Front Room is more fluid, only goes as long as both parties are consenting.

SJG

It gets old seeing how often women go after the older white guys with preference. Some of us minorities haven't totally ruined our reputation but we are still lesser priority, more often than not.

Everybody's already said it but I echo - your body, your rules. That's all there is to it.

I can't imagine spending a whopping $20 or $40 and thinking you have free reign. These must be some high rolling $60 spenders!!!

^^^^^ Front Room, it always works better there!

Buying dances is a chump's game.

SJG

DenimChicken said "It gets old seeing how often women go after the older white guys with preference."

Oddly, I'm okay with it.

Front Room is totally fluid, no standing agreements about anything.

SJG

So @PSD, what *is* the going rate for guac? 😈

I didn’t say I go for older white men, I actually said that I don’t discriminate. Blatantly said that. I said this forum believes that’s who dancers should go for.

^^^^^ PSD, I agree with you, lots of people posting about how dancers should respond to them, cause they presumablly have money, and generally bitching about dancers.

My view is that you just have to let dancers do what they do, can't tell them who they should respond to. And where possible, best to approach them yourselves.

SJG

I didn't mean that PSD does the old white guy preference - just it's dumb how often that's the 'guidance' given. Especially reading how many old broke dudes on here give their reviews....scared to even spend a few hundred.

In my personal experiences I've seen it as well. Often women walk by me and go straight for old white guys or will talk to my white friend - while I'm sitting there with 4 figures ready to spend in my pocket.

"I didn’t say I go for older white men, I actually said that I don’t discriminate. "

Actually, you said that you do discriminate but neglected to share what category you discriminate against by being human. Not askin', just sayin'.

@PSD, that avatar pic has got me craving some of your guac🤤

I'm gonna go make it rain at Chipotle in your honor

WCG

He gonna make it rain American Pie style in a burrito, y'all.

^^Hopefully i remember to get the hot salsa on the side this time😫😫😫

WCG

DenimChicken I see you and I have the same type of background and thus, club experience.

I don't blame the dancers though. I mean I would think if dancers cherry pick customers it would have to be because of being reinforced. If more old white dudes are the main group spending money then sure, those would be the guys they'd want to hit up first. Meanwhile if black/minority dudes are being gropey cheap asses then I expect things to be tougher for me when I step foot in there. It is what it is. In the end I still end up having a good time so I can't be too mad about not being approached by the best girls right away like the old white guys do.

The market will bear what the market will bear. PSD can set her rate at whatever she feels is appropriate. I 100% support that. If it’s more or less than what others in her area will charge the market will figure it out. If she’s the hottest girl in the club she should charge a premium. If she’s not, offer a discount. If she can’t get any takers at the price she’s offering in the market she’s in, she might have to move to another market. It’s all under her control.

PLEASE READ THE COMMENTS. I am not increasing the price of the dances, unlike a lot of girls. I am saying buy $100 worth of dances, if you are expecting to do *a lot.* in your dances, and I think that is pretty fair.

I will talk to anyone in the club, I discriminate against one type of person because they typically smell unpleasant and they forcibly try anything and everything in a dance, as in, I am fighting these people off and saying hey please don’t do that, and they are still trying to do whatever to me. If you consider that discriminating then okay. My assumption has been that it is a cultural thing and tbh I do not want to go through that when I do a dance. So ok, if that makes me discriminatory, label me that.

The only other reasons I will not talk to someone are:

I go over to them and they stink and/or are dirty
I go over and they are a dick to me, I say “Okay I hope you have a good time!” And get up and leave
A friend tells me the guy was very inappropriate in the dance or tried to rip her off or I have had that kind of experience with a customer in the past and recognize him

Other than that, I will talk to anyone and I don’t discriminate *except.* with one type of person.

^ that’s reasonable.

But who/what is that one type of person?

^^Minnesota Vikings fans

WCG

Yes thank you for allowing me to vent, I do mean it as a discussion topic too though, sorry if it just came off as complaining.

The group is Indian men, since everyone keeps asking. I have to fight them off, like you know when you’re pushing on something and your arms are shaking? Like a guy trying to kiss me and I’m pushing so hard against him that we are both shaking and he still won’t give up. In what world is it satisfying to have human contact with someone who is fighting you off? I can only think of one circumstance and it’s illegal!

^ yeah that’s not cool 👎👎

PSD, as far as I'm concerned, you have the right to "discriminate" against whoever you want. You're not selling toaster ovens or cars. You're selling a certain level of closeness and access to your body. Nobody has any inherent right to touch you or be touched by you and you don't have to justify your choices to anyone, period.

All of the jerks here must have put me on ignore bc I’m blown away at how supportive these comments are. Lol.

Man, thank you, men. 😢

@PSD Through trial and error and experience with strippers many of us here have learned to respect a stripper's limits. It really is pointless to push them. I'll move on and take the first dance at a loss if my expectations for one dance don't match up to hers. The best scenario always is when both parties are getting and doing exactly what they want. Anything less is a waste of time and money.

"If she’s the hottest girl in the club she should charge a premium."

McNulty fell off the wagon again.

"It really is pointless to push them. I'll move on and take the first dance at a loss if my expectations for one dance don't match up to hers."

Don't push, yes. Don't negotiate? That's a hard no. If you're like McNulty on a bender and pay any price if the gurl is the hotness, then you're busting the curve and going broke like a mark. I get to the point being made, just putting that out there for suckers.

And yh, this thread is all about physically aggressive customers (and apparently smelling like curry). So that's obvious not to be forcing hands and other stuff where dancers don't want them cuz Rick Dugan will fight you. And it's also uncool.

Almost forgot what I was going to write about. So this dancer who I got two dances with the other night before kicking her off (because she was weirdly rocking on bony shins that were digging into my thighs) stops by my table next time I show up. Her dances were so bad I actually told another dancer, which I almost never do. She leads off with the name of the dancer I replaced her with and her opinion of the dances she gave me. I noticed she'd stayed up on the VIP level by the bar the whole time I was there, but wasn't paying attention to her paying attention to me.

Anyhow, she was asking about dances and I'm thinking about the bony saws she calls her shins. But then I say what the hell after I saw her on stage because she's spinner hot with a beautiful face. This time she walks me straight to the kill box booths in the back of the VIP area and starts doing a pretty exceptional grind. No shins. Then spends the next few songs half-lecturing me on all the things I should have tried to get her to stop "being naive". Then I reminded her that the first thing she told me when we spoke the first time was all she does is dances. Then she says that's true, but she makes exceptions.

In the #MeToo era, dancers need to clue dudes in on what they're open to because we're not trying to be the subject of a multi paragraph rant or more. I'm ok missing something the first time around to not get jammed up with a misunderstanding, especially if I'm on home turf. PSD's not wrong about the grope mongers, not at all. But if she's in a permissive market then it's going to be a rough go.

LMFAO PSD I've heard that about Indian men who want the highest mileage but are super cheap. The same with Asian men around here, dancers have told me so pretty funny stories.

lol! Yeah my least favorite demographics are Indian and Arab customers. Not to say I've never had decent customers from those demographics- but it is quite rare.

WCG

LOL! Gotta agree with that one! Go Pack, Go!

LD

"Go Pack, Go"

:Stares Mostertly:

Yeah. The 49ers and especially Mostert were way better than the Pack this year - but that’s what being a fan is all about (and WCG was talking about the Vikings ;))

@TFP - I hear ya. It's all part of the game.

In regards to Indian and Arab customers - I can't help but think where there is smoke there is fire...it seems like quite the coincidence when literally every dancer I've talked to mentions how consistently they are bad customers. I'm also focusing on a few specific states so who knows around the country.

if they know your safe (not LEO) is important, and girls like customers that respect them, that is how i roll, and i tell them it is no problem if they leave to another regular customer if they want to.

I personally don’t mind Indians. But yes dances often tend to be more of a mini duel. And many have on odd fetish for physically squeezing tits like it’s a stress ball. Have to be prepared to constantly switch positions to get away. And they like to try to haggle dance prices. But they are just such brainless and fast sale group ime that it’s tough to not go for them...at least for me. Especially if there’s a whole table of them and if you dance for one, prob gonna dance for all of them.

I have a similar opinion of Mexicans.

^ what about negros? ☺️

I notice the Old White Guy tends to act more as described in the OP if club regs in the Texas cities I’ve worked at. Unlike the ethnic minority group I just mentioned who actively enjoy the cat and mouse aspect, this group tends to frown more at being denied. 🙄

@lurkingdog sorry I just couldn't resist throwing that in there. Tbh our games against the Packers in the playoffs for the last decade I consider payback for the way Favre used to shit on us game after playoff game in the late 90's/early 2000s.

Now to get somewhat back on topic, I've seen quite a few threads about Indian customers being troublesome for the exact same reasons PSD listed. I just used the search option and sure enough, I saw at least 3 that I remember seeing. One was even a link from a Stripperweb thread where the OP was the top 10 customers to not approach. I think number 10 was plainly labeled "Indians" and then proceeded to say exactly what PSD did.

https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=4452…

https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=5082…

https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=4383…

@govikings I consider black customers a wild card. For most of them, I’m just not their type. But the ones who like me tend to like me very well 😁

^ that's called 'yellow fever'. It can make you crazy. 🤪

I know I'm being stereotypical, but I have to believe that PSD would be most black guys type.

PSD would you say that's the case?

I don't mind if a stripper holds back a bit on her mileage during the first song. As long as it continues to ramp up and gets to frequent one way contact on my boner before the end of it I'm usually good with this during the first song. By the second or third song if it doesn't get to good two way contact in the crotch area and I can't grab and rub her tits and ass, I will usually end all future business. This is based on the general standard in my experience in Portland, San Francisco, Phoenix, and Albuquerque.

^ and Seattle.

Cultural norms are thing. But I've also clubbed with Indian dudes who were cool. Arabs I can't really say I've clubbed with, but if it's people I'm with and knew being dicks I'd tell them to cool it. Respecting the girls isn't that hard.

Did GoVikes say negroes? Is this Django Unchained? lol

What seems “cool” to you has to do with sitting at a table and talking, because you’re not involved in the dance with the cool Indian dudes. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Yes, black dudes do like me. Two of my top five best customers of all time were black dudes. One was a foot fetish guy and one was an older gentleman who cane to see me about 2-3x per week and I genuinely cared about him and him for me. Aside from those two, the only place I’ve ever been where a black customer actually buys dances from me has been Penthouse Club in New Orleans. But I’m from Seattle and customers are primarily not black so bear that in mind.

Asian dudes don’t always like me, I don’t notice many others who do or do not like me.

Not many black guys in Seattle? I would have never known. All I know about Seattle is Amazon, rain, Bill Gates, and those fucking God damn Seattle Seahawks. And also now Pinksugardoll :).

No longer living in Seattle. ✌🏼

Guac-orrhea is extra,,,,,,,,,,no thanks.....i will pass

@PSD so you're now a Florida resident? If so, lucky Florida guys.

When I order a pink taco, I expect the guac to be included.

@pink

He came to see you two or three times per WEEK? 😯

And I thought I was addicted!

"What seems “cool” to you has to do with sitting at a table and talking, because you’re not involved in the dance with the cool Indian dudes."

I'm not saying you don't have problems with Indians guys. But I will say you don't know who I know, and there's more Indian men than there are people living in the United States. There's plenty of Indian guys who might go to clubs that none of us has met, and maybe some of them aren't dirtbags. It's called math.

My personal experience is no less valid than yours because I'm on the demand side of the equation. Different yes. Less valid no. The friends I used to club with had manners, because if they didn't we wouldn't club together and probably wouldn't be friends.

I wasn't equating my experience to anyone else's, but it's worth considering that condemning an entire population because of a rough go with the H1B nerds around Seattle is a little dramatic. This thread was set up as personal venting and that's cool. But it *is* a personal thing you've put out there for discussion.

Most of us aren't going to feel as strongly about it as you do.

My comment is buried well back in the thread now, but to clarify I was just saying the market will sort itself out. If a dancer wants to charge extra for extras, fine. If she wants to say “for that, you need to do a minimum of five dances” that’s fine. I may like or not like the price or service. I have the option to say yes or no.

I prefer clubs and dancers where the prices are consistent across all dancers and the mileage is good. I’m just not going to tell someone what they should ask for. I provide feedback with how much I spend and whether I will repeat.

if it is green, dont eat it