I get ignored without having to be on an ignore list.
In all seriousness, unless it's an easy program, I wouldn't bother. I could not care less who ignores me and most of the time it would probably be a mutually beneficial ignore.
This is a community site. Hate to admit it but a little shaming can go a long way and enough visible ignores might get more people to question their behavior
No, you shouldn’t. Not out of any ethical or moral reason, but rather because it is somewhat of a contradiction. In real life, if you ignore someone you don’t put up a sign that says “I’m ignoring Mr. Smith.” In fact, you don’t do anything, that’s the whole point; you do not respond to another’s actions or words.
Let people discover the good ol’ fashion way that they are being ignored.
It's all the same information, but depending on how it worked it might not be so bad.
For example, I couldn't care less who ignores me. I suspect most don't. So if you mean a page that shows me who has me on ignore I think its a waste. But, in the hands of a troll, it may provide a list of targets to harass, so I'm not really for it. On the other hand, if I were to look at someone else's profile and see who ignores them, it might have some very small bit of usefulness. I'd think of it of the inverse of a trust.
Maybe a count would be a middle of the road option? As part of a public profile. So I'd have 4 Trusts and 13 Ignores or whatever.
No. If a user wants to share who is on their ignore list, that's fine. But it shouldn't be mandatory. Also, in this forum there's not going to be any shame associated in being ignored.
A possible middle ground... show how many users ignore a given user, but not the identity.
The problem might be (either way) that once a user / troll sees that they are being widely ignored by many, that's a signal for them to create another garbage profile.
After considering this seriously my inclination would be to have an ignore list similar to the trust list, not name who has you on ignore just how many.
I vote no. If I have someone on ignore, I just want to be done with them and they don't need to know. You would hate for someone you have on ignore to know that and start bad-mouthing you in other posts.
My initial inclination is a flat "no." I think CMI's compromise of showing number of ignores, but not who is ignoring who would be a good one. I'd be curious to hear what prompted founder to float this notion.
I do think some sort of system where if a person is ignored enough they are auto-ignored for people browsing the site not logged in would be good. That would encourage more positive behavior.
I actually like the idea, but I really wouldn't put too much effort into writing the program or whatever it is that you have to do. I would spend more time partying in Vegas instead :)
Anyway, a few people have suggested publicizing the number of ignores but keeping the identities anonymous. But wouldn't this actually encourage the trolls to keep creating aliases so that they can use their new aliases specifically to ignore their targets, thereby artificially increasing the number of ignores on a targeted account? I apologize, if this isn't possible, I wouldn't know personally because I've never created an alias.
Also, a quick side note: wouldn't it be easier for Clubber to just give us a list of the people he isn't ignoring?
Different issue, this is the discussions list for @FTS. He seems to have somehow gotten a thread started with no title, or something is wrong with it. Now way to get to it.
After considering this seriously my inclination would be to have an ignore list similar to the trust list, not name who has you on ignore just how many.
Except that you can see who trusts you.
But I agree with showing how many but not the names of who ignores you.
The only problem being that some of those loser trolls will take it as a badge of honor and try to get high score
After considering this seriously my inclination would be to have an ignore list similar to the trust list, not name who has you on ignore just how many.
Except that you can see who trusts you.
But I agree with showing how many but not the names of who ignores you.
The only problem being that some of those loser trolls will take it as a badge of honor and try to get high score
Who’d care? It would be like bragging about who has the lowest IQ lol
Pretty sure if they could see who put them on ignore, it would give them incentive to make more accounts exclusively to bother said person or people. They'd get a kick out of it.
I really don't see a compelling reason to publish an ignore list numbers or names. if founder truly has a bug to try some new website gimmick, then just publish numbers. Sheesh, clubber getting crotchety in his senior years. Several that he has on ignore, I don't see why. Londonguy??? He's one of the more levelheaded members around. Some of the others can be opinionated, long winded, or both. But several of the others don't engage in personal attacks, or spam the board.
"The problem might be (either way) that once a user / troll sees that they are being widely ignored by many, that's a signal for them to create another garbage profile." - I agree with Ishmael
I too like the middle ground approach where the number of ignorers is shown, but not names. Could be a wake-up call for some, and a victory lap for others.
I don't think it's a good idea for people to know they are being ignored. If they knew who ignored them, they are most likely going to continue to troll in order to increase their ignore rate. If they get ignored by too many people or by people that they look up to, they'll likely create another account and troll on that.
I should probably turn the other cheek, but I'm in a combative mood today.
I've been here 3.5yrs and @Clubber is famous for railing against political correctness because he thinks he should have the right to say what he wants without offending anyone. Then he puts 50 people on ignore and posts about it constantly. What an idiot.
I don't use the ignore button. What makes TUSCL an interesting place is the diversity and the fact that it's very lightly moderated. I think it's a mistake to take any further action, and it will just turn the board into a popularity contest with uniform group-think.
OTOH, this @Founders business and livelihood. It's certainly his call.
I am happy to have given many of you a chance to vent. As to why per who, that is MY business. If you wish to know why, ask the ignored to pass along that information. I tell those I've ignored why I did so. Well, except for the mouth breathers.
To bring this thread back to the original topic and be serious for a minute, I think a lot of "trolling" is better categorized as "people saying stuff other people don't like".
Trolling implies an attempt to get others to respond negatively. For example, I try to put "brilliant" or "ace" in my posts because it makes me laugh. If somebody else laugh then it is aces. If somebody else tolerates it but thinks it is stupid then fine. If somebody is so irritated by it that they have to put me on their ignore then that is what the ignore button is for.
I am not going to disrespect Clubber for PM'ing people he ignores. I don't get it. But I don't have to get everything everybody else does. I don't think he is doing it specifically to elicit a negative response (i.e., trolling). So for me it is "meh, his decision to do something I wouldn't do".
There are certainly folks that troll in terms of trying to get a negative reaction. If you can laugh at them despite their intentions then that's aces. If you don't like it that's what the ignore button is for! ;)
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last commentMight start something interesting;)
Is that your goal?
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Discuss. I'll lurk and watch
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I vote no; the more likely it is that a member gets ignored, the more likely it is that they shouldn't see a list of those ignoring them. ;-)#
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I get ignored without having to be on an ignore list.
In all seriousness, unless it's an easy program, I wouldn't bother. I could not care less who ignores me and most of the time it would probably be a mutually beneficial ignore.
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No. I think it would lead to more animosity.
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No - it should only be up to a PL's discretion whom he/she ignores
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It would be mildly interesting but overall I vote no.
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Yes you should.
This is a community site. Hate to admit it but a little shaming can go a long way and enough visible ignores might get more people to question their behavior
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Absolutely
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My goal is to top the list
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No, you shouldn’t. Not out of any ethical or moral reason, but rather because it is somewhat of a contradiction. In real life, if you ignore someone you don’t put up a sign that says “I’m ignoring Mr. Smith.” In fact, you don’t do anything, that’s the whole point; you do not respond to another’s actions or words.
Let people discover the good ol’ fashion way that they are being ignored.
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No....
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It's all the same information, but depending on how it worked it might not be so bad.
For example, I couldn't care less who ignores me. I suspect most don't. So if you mean a page that shows me who has me on ignore I think its a waste. But, in the hands of a troll, it may provide a list of targets to harass, so I'm not really for it. On the other hand, if I were to look at someone else's profile and see who ignores them, it might have some very small bit of usefulness. I'd think of it of the inverse of a trust.
Maybe a count would be a middle of the road option? As part of a public profile. So I'd have 4 Trusts and 13 Ignores or whatever.
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No. If a user wants to share who is on their ignore list, that's fine. But it shouldn't be mandatory. Also, in this forum there's not going to be any shame associated in being ignored.
A possible middle ground... show how many users ignore a given user, but not the identity.
The problem might be (either way) that once a user / troll sees that they are being widely ignored by many, that's a signal for them to create another garbage profile.
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All of what Ishmael said.
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I'll give you my answer, simply. My list:
juicebox69
rickdugan
jerikson40
staxwell
Alucard
dalex
SnackBox69
LunchBoxKing
juicebox666
Pootie
LordxBetty
juiicebox69
Dracula
BigTuna1
Troll_Defense_HQ
BagBoyJames
originaljuicebox69
.juicebox69
G2
Super_Mane
Gucci_Mane
juicebox67
blackpanther6
bang69
BonedBrother
RickyBoyDugan
Rev.Long
slaux.pas
Duke69
TheProphetJuice
just_the_nuts
crazyjoe
Missionary
26shikha89
Bigtallbonerboy
Wipemydirtydugan
thaJuicelayer
san_jose_gay
Rick_the_Bear
rickthevulture
ASharpton
skibum609
RandomMember
mikeya02
rickthelion
txtittyfag.
chessmaster
londonguy
whodey
zipman68
Teh_Donald
larryfishsticks
jakson.jz
txtittyfag
san_jose_guy
JimGassagain
BBBC
vincemichels
L1oydSchoene
txtittyfag12
Dougster
BurlingtonHoFactory
realDougster
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After considering this seriously my inclination would be to have an ignore list similar to the trust list, not name who has you on ignore just how many.
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I vote no. If I have someone on ignore, I just want to be done with them and they don't need to know. You would hate for someone you have on ignore to know that and start bad-mouthing you in other posts.
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I can't see what good it would accomplish
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I agree with ishmael. The only useful purpose this would serve is as a cue for the trolls to create another troll account.
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I think the one who does the ignoring should have the option of keeping it private.
SJG
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I agree with @25.... not a naming of names... but if someone has 50 ignores... it might mean something like 50 trusts means something.
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I agree with Ishmael. His last paragraph could be a big downside - as it could encourage the trolls - and there are enough trolls already.
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My initial inclination is a flat "no." I think CMI's compromise of showing number of ignores, but not who is ignoring who would be a good one. I'd be curious to hear what prompted founder to float this notion.
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I do think some sort of system where if a person is ignored enough they are auto-ignored for people browsing the site not logged in would be good. That would encourage more positive behavior.
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This forum has thrived because it is quite open, very little moderation or censorship. Maybe some do not like this, but most do.
SJG
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I vote no, especially if the ignore was made when it was understood to be non-public information
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I actually like the idea, but I really wouldn't put too much effort into writing the program or whatever it is that you have to do. I would spend more time partying in Vegas instead :)
Anyway, a few people have suggested publicizing the number of ignores but keeping the identities anonymous. But wouldn't this actually encourage the trolls to keep creating aliases so that they can use their new aliases specifically to ignore their targets, thereby artificially increasing the number of ignores on a targeted account? I apologize, if this isn't possible, I wouldn't know personally because I've never created an alias.
Also, a quick side note: wouldn't it be easier for Clubber to just give us a list of the people he isn't ignoring?
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I don't have any account on ignore, but for those who do it should be left to their discretion on whether it gets shared. That's my take on it.
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No thanks
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^^^^^ agreed. I have my ignored on my profile, because that is my choice. But others should retain the right not to post such.
SJG
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What wallanon said. NO.
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Different issue, this is the discussions list for @FTS. He seems to have somehow gotten a thread started with no title, or something is wrong with it. Now way to get to it.
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That this could happen would seem to be a bug.
SJG
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After considering this seriously my inclination would be to have an ignore list similar to the trust list, not name who has you on ignore just how many.
Except that you can see who trusts you.
But I agree with showing how many but not the names of who ignores you.
The only problem being that some of those loser trolls will take it as a badge of honor and try to get high score
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It's not needed - I don't recall anyone ever asking for this b/f
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I don’t think it would be a good idea. It would just cause the creation of more troll accounts.
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I know fishsticks (what a fucking pussy) has me on ignore. It would be interesting to see if there are any others.
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yes, wear it as a badge of honor
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Some people use the ignore people but they do not publicize this. I think it is best to let them continue to do this.
SJG
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After considering this seriously my inclination would be to have an ignore list similar to the trust list, not name who has you on ignore just how many.
Except that you can see who trusts you.
But I agree with showing how many but not the names of who ignores you.
The only problem being that some of those loser trolls will take it as a badge of honor and try to get high score
Who’d care? It would be like bragging about who has the lowest IQ lol
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^ and you put it past the trolls to have a low I contest?
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Did Papi try to vote 3 times on this ?
But I agree with him. I vote No.
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@flag I wouldn't put it past them but c'mon man its just imbeciles competing for smartest dog trick, really all it would do is make us laugh.
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I also agree I like the idea of seeing an ignore number but not names.
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Pretty sure if they could see who put them on ignore, it would give them incentive to make more accounts exclusively to bother said person or people. They'd get a kick out of it.
Is IP banning a thing presently?
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I really don't see a compelling reason to publish an ignore list numbers or names. if founder truly has a bug to try some new website gimmick, then just publish numbers. Sheesh, clubber getting crotchety in his senior years. Several that he has on ignore, I don't see why. Londonguy??? He's one of the more levelheaded members around. Some of the others can be opinionated, long winded, or both. But several of the others don't engage in personal attacks, or spam the board.
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I think founder is trolling.
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"The problem might be (either way) that once a user / troll sees that they are being widely ignored by many, that's a signal for them to create another garbage profile." - I agree with Ishmael
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I too like the middle ground approach where the number of ignorers is shown, but not names. Could be a wake-up call for some, and a victory lap for others.
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I don't think it's a good idea for people to know they are being ignored. If they knew who ignored them, they are most likely going to continue to troll in order to increase their ignore rate. If they get ignored by too many people or by people that they look up to, they'll likely create another account and troll on that.
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I say no. But agree a compromise would be to list the number of people who have you on ignore.
I have put people on ignore only to take them off later and a couple times I've accidentally put someone on ignore.
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I should probably turn the other cheek, but I'm in a combative mood today.
I've been here 3.5yrs and @Clubber is famous for railing against political correctness because he thinks he should have the right to say what he wants without offending anyone. Then he puts 50 people on ignore and posts about it constantly. What an idiot.
I don't use the ignore button. What makes TUSCL an interesting place is the diversity and the fact that it's very lightly moderated. I think it's a mistake to take any further action, and it will just turn the board into a popularity contest with uniform group-think.
OTOH, this @Founders business and livelihood. It's certainly his call.
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@founder I think it’s time for you to weigh in I’m curious as to why you started this thread.
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People should be able to invoke ignore with total privacy. The total count and this list should only be displayed as they wish them to be.
SJG
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I would be funny to have a top 40 list of most ignored.
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It would be funny, not I
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I am happy to have given many of you a chance to vent. As to why per who, that is MY business. If you wish to know why, ask the ignored to pass along that information. I tell those I've ignored why I did so. Well, except for the mouth breathers.
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I would be interested to know who else has me on ignore.
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Well, hard to ask them.
SJG
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@Clubber - I think you can safely take Alucard off your ignore list
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Seems like it would encouraging the sort of boring lame trolls who can’t get attention with healthy funny trolling.
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Thanks for all the input. Looks like I should implement it ASAP.
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^absolutely!
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"Should I make it so members can see who ignores them?"
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My list will be a who's who of TUSCL's Alt-right and neo-Nazis.
LOL!
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^^^^ That would be about 95% of our regular posters.
SJG
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^Poster child for nihilism.
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Definition of ni·hil·ism
ˈnīəˌlizəm,ˈnēəˌlizəm
noun
the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless.
synonyms: skepticism, negativity, cynicism, pessimism; More
PHILOSOPHY
extreme skepticism maintaining that nothing in the world has a real existence.
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I thought it meant he believed in kneeling.
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And I thought that stuff was just common sense.
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^^^^^ 25, there is so much you do not understand.
SJG
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Anyone remember what song this verse is from?
Bobbi joined a New Wave band
Changed her name to Bobbi Sox
Eloise, who played guitar
Sang songs about whales and cops
Terri didn't give a shit
Was just a nihilist
Ronnie was much more my style
Cause she wrote songs just like this
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Was it 88 lines or something like that ?
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88 Lines About 44 Women
Great tune!
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Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, at least it's an ethos.
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Yes, lopaw, by the Nails
A classic
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Bj99 has a brilliant point!
To bring this thread back to the original topic and be serious for a minute, I think a lot of "trolling" is better categorized as "people saying stuff other people don't like".
Trolling implies an attempt to get others to respond negatively. For example, I try to put "brilliant" or "ace" in my posts because it makes me laugh. If somebody else laugh then it is aces. If somebody else tolerates it but thinks it is stupid then fine. If somebody is so irritated by it that they have to put me on their ignore then that is what the ignore button is for.
I am not going to disrespect Clubber for PM'ing people he ignores. I don't get it. But I don't have to get everything everybody else does. I don't think he is doing it specifically to elicit a negative response (i.e., trolling). So for me it is "meh, his decision to do something I wouldn't do".
There are certainly folks that troll in terms of trying to get a negative reaction. If you can laugh at them despite their intentions then that's aces. If you don't like it that's what the ignore button is for! ;)
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