discussion comment
2 years ago
Dancers will feel no attraction because clients treat them like vending machines and over all are creeps.
But this is not always true.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
Wallon talked again about authority for forgiving student load debt. As I explained above I think the authority is there as Chief Executive, the original legislation make the government liable for the debt, and then also the only one who can authorize collection. So Biden just had to terminate the collection.
A ways up, motorhead posted
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I know this is gonna come across as another boomer “get off my lawn” post but this is an awful life lesson to teach these young kids
I graduated with zero student debt. I worked my ass off in hard, but well paying factory jobs each summer. I didn’t go traveling to Europe, I worked. I didn’t go to grad school until I worked long enough to fully fund my studies. My parents were working class, never went to college, so they contributed almost zero, except for allowing me to live at home rent free during the summers
Study, grab some scholarship money, there’s lots of small scholarships out there. Be a man and pay your own way
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“Two thirds of all student debt is held by women. Women are more likely to go to college and, once there, are more likely to major in fields that don't lead to high paying jobs”
Thank you Doc for making that clear. It’s interesting to tie threads together. In the satirical thread about a male room for TUSCL that turned serious, I pointed out that creating safe spaces for girls and young women does more harm than good.
Isolating them at a young age sends a message they can’t compete with men and further drives home the notion they’re not capable of taking STEM classes
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Google the article about the Gainesville Florida couple that paid off $190,000 of student loan debt in 27 months.
They worked their butts off, 15-16 hour days and made sacrifices
This should be the end of the argument
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Now college costs have skyrocketed, espeically in the private schools, and we have to dismantle this. But motor's example, especially the third on shows what is wrong with the present system, not what is right about it.
A couple paid off $190,000 of college loan debt, and by working 15 and 16 hour days.
Well first of all they should not have had that much debt.
Second, someone going to college is not expecting to be an Uber driver. They are expecting to be starting out on a professional career. Though there are some exceptions, most of the time this means a fixed salary with no extra money for longer hours.
So if they are doing stuff where they get money based on how many hour they put in, something has failed.
Now sure, working longer, harder, and smarter will usually get one favorable consideration for advancement, but it doesn't yield more pay in the short term.
I spent many years in situations where I was putting in as many hours as these people were, but I was doing it for professional advancement, and to maintain leadership in projects, not because it got me more money.
And likewise with moonlighting, if you are building a professional career, that will be seriously held against you as your motives are wrong. You don't care about professional advancement, you just want money. They will tell you to go try AmWay.
So motor's example is of what is wrong, not want is right.
Now his first citation:
Young people today are facing very high costs, and low pay. They do not need anyone lecturing to them about "hard work" or about anything else.
His second citation:
2/3 of college load debt held by women, and majoring in things which do not lead to high paying jobs. First of all college should not cost that much. Second, there are already vastly more people getting degrees which are presumed to lead to high paying jobs than there are positions for, so they end up doing other things. A college degree does not build you a career. If you want that you have to do that yourself, and there will often be little connection to what it says on your college degree(s).
People need to be vigilant, no matter whether they have go to college or not, had loans or do not, have paid them off or not, have a high paying job or not, they are not going to tolerate anyone who tries to lecture too them. And in the work place anyone who did that kind of lecturing or engaged in that kind of talk would be fired, not laid off, fired for cause and not eligible for unemployment.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
People have been getting rich off of the Reagan tax cuts, and this is wrong.
That money should be used for things like sending people to college.
So this change is good.
Those COVID bail out payments were idiotic. This is what is causing our currency to devalue. All the money did was prop up rentiers and mortgage lenders. The way we get it back is with upper income and large portfolio taxation. No one would have to pay this is they relinquished their income or liquidated their portfolios.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
I think a person is 'old' when they are out of it.
Decline of health may be a contributing factor, but it is not the key issue.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
It is a whole bunch of civil rights groups that have kept the pressure on Newsom and The Assembly deserve the credit for blunting this.
But the ideas are still on the table, and an Evil Overlord wanna be in Thomas Insel still walk the earth.
So there needs to be organized resistance to all facets of the Mental Health System.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
Gavin's Care Courts SB_1338 could pass today.
In my opinion though it has been largely neutralized, the the danger of advancing a psychiatric police state is still real.
The bill has had at least 5 large rewrites. And the last two were coming from Newsom's admiration.
It does not have to start until Oct 2023 in some counties and by Dec 2024 in all counties. And they have serious limits on who it can apply to.
Their analysis 8/26
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billAnalysisClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220SB1338#
The ideas are still dangerous though and so there needs to be organized resistance to this, and to the entire mental health system. People need to be taught to refuse any and all cooperation.
This does nothing to end homelessness. For that we simply need a Strong No Needs Test Public Housing Offering and Universal Basic Income. But that would gut the bottom end of the real estate industry and their harvesting. So seemingly, with Neo-Liberals at the helm, we are still ready to sacrifice a large number of people to drugging and therapist auditing, just to protect the real estate industry.
And if we want to intercede in the personal factors which place someone at risk of homelessness, we need to intervein before they find themselves in the situation that Darrell Steinberg's 13yo daughter found herself in, or that Susan Eggman's Aunt Barbara found herself in, being made into the family scapegoats.
https://sfbayview.com/2022/08/courts-are-never-places-of-care/
We need to eradicate the entire mental health system.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
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ilbbaicnlKeep it in my pants when I do OTC. If I were a stripper it would stand for I like big bucks and I can not lie.
Does sound like TJ has gotten really scary. I don't think it will say that way for long though.
SJG
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2 years ago
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motorheadFat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life
Yeah, since Miami they started moving to 10mm, at least for some stuff and for customs and border patrol. Stopping power, knocking someone down so they can't easily return fire.
SJG
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2 years ago
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ilbbaicnlKeep it in my pants when I do OTC. If I were a stripper it would stand for I like big bucks and I can not lie.
Got to do something in the time between rounds.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
Sometimes the new waitresses are more fun to interact with, not having ever been dancers.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
A girl who is dishonest or deceptive spreads ill will and the club will not want that.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
Most strip clubs the girls are responsive to a little bit of money and attention. The high dances prices nicespice is citing, I am sure they are real some places, but I don't think they are universal.
The most difficult clubs to get the girls off script are usually DV, like their San Francisco flagship Centerfolds. But it still can be done.
As far as guys thinking they are customer almighty, that is not good. In strip clubs money is essential. But if you select and approach the girl you want, there is a good chance she can really be opened up to you. It might take time, like at DV centerfolds, and that makes it take even more money. But it generally still can be done.
Guys are just dumb in that they decline to approach dancers, and they get shunted into buying dances, mostly because they have never thought it through.
Generosity yes, but buying dances no.
SJG
Great White
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oe-aPYsJA4
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2 years ago
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motorheadFat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life
Got a link to the original article?
The old Luck Duck cartoon, he finds money everywhere he goes, even in the beach sand. His pockets are overflowing with it. He tries to give it away but people refuse to take it.
https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?TID=356651
He was the opposite of Scrooge McDuck.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
^
If we want to intercede and do something about the personal factors which increase the likelihood of homelessness, we have to do this before anyone finds themselves in the situation Darrell Steinberg's 13yo daughter found herself in, or before anyone finds themselves in the situation Susan Eggman's Aunt Barbara found herself in. We have to interdict the family scapegoating before it truncates one's life options.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
escorts and high volume otc dancers more business savvy?
I don't know about more business savvy, but probably they lead more stable lives and are less likely to be involved with destructive / pimp relationships, and with drugs. And so they are able to bank their money instead of seeing it evaporate.
SJG
Emily Williams-I Say a Little Prayer For You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX00cSNwi08
discussion comment
2 years ago
Capitalism has been broken for 150 years, only large scale wars covering this up.
We need to go to Social Democracy, staring with Universal Basic Income and a Strong No Needs Test Public Housing Offering, and continuing with Medicare for All and Free College with College Loan Forgiveness.
SJG
Emily Williams-I Say a Little Prayer For You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX00cSNwi08
discussion comment
2 years ago
Club Orase? Can't remember the name, but it is one of the largest and outdoor oriented German FKK's.
On there web site there is some text of description.
It starts off, "Let me tell you want you will not find, a lot of people smoking soft drugs. Just look at the cars in the parking lot, most are executive and mostly senior level."
So I am not going to either support or challenge his position. But it is clear that he doesn't want "soft drugs". And he is using the language of the Netherlands for their legal marijuana. They talk of building a firewall between hard and soft drugs.
But at this club they really don't want soft drugs, and they claim there is not much of them, or even none.
At Membership Club / Private Party venues, there could be little to know drugs at all. Could already be very different from what Icee is describing of LA and Vegas retain clubs, as Drug Dens.
As far as how to solve this for the general population I do not know.
Religion, Mental Health, and Drugs and Alcohol always do seem to go together.
SJG
Emily Williams-I Say a Little Prayer For You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX00cSNwi08
discussion comment
2 years ago
They are ordinary women, in slut uniforms, and they will be ordinary women with you if you treat them that way.
Sure they are a nice site, not necessarily desperate, not anymore so than anyone else.
Stripper heels and slut uniform, walking right past police on foot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0d8FuTkb3U
SJG
Emily Williams-I Say a Little Prayer For You
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX00cSNwi08
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2 years ago
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CJKent_bandThe truth hurts, but if you accept it, it will set you free
^ Pentecostalism is one of the most toxic doctrines around.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
^ don't engage with them that way. Save back rooms until you really need them, like when your own pants are to come down.
And don't look for or accept LDK's. No BJ till completion until you know her and are already fucking her in your own bed regularly.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
^ Generosity, Charm, let a FRMOS proceed. Front room maximum, the back room maximum, the out the door with her ASAP, and regular beddings to follow.
She will be getting groomed for the organization. Meeting other people will be key. Then setting up an interview with a panel of the women, then with a panel of the men.
She does not have to agree to this right off. Could take years. With some they will be reaching stripper/escort retirement age when they decide to accept. That will be fine.
But hopefully she will eventually decide to go along with it, and then her formal instruction and sex slave initiation can be set up.
Going our way will always be better than anything she could likely come up with on her own. Better than Sex Work, Marriage, or Entrepreneurship on her own.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
Women are usually looking to guys for material, financial, and social benefit, they try to fuck upwards.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
MBOT = Michell Brothers O'Farrell Theater, started by Jim and Artie Mitchell in San Francisco, and the place contact strip clubs began.
And lap dancing was all front room and based on lap sitting. BUt how much more happened varied widely, but often it was better than what happens today when guys buy booth dances, and especially at Deja Vu.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
strippers are nice looking and they've mastered the methods of dolling up. If you want to engage, it might be expensive, very expensive, but you can't know that this will always be true. They are still human beings. If you want to know, there is only one way of finding out.
Most that I have known are still very ordinary and responding to the things that other girls do.
SJG
discussion comment
2 years ago
ilbbaicnl's acessment of FDR and Hoover and our economics is correct.
Student Loan forgiveness mostly brings people back into the economy.
The money that was not collected in taxes since Reagan should be recollected now. This will neutralize inflation.
SJG