No, being old and white doesn’t make you the customer almighty automatically

…unless you are actually spending money.

I was going to reply in another thread but figured that the subject deserves its own space. And I quote:

—>“It's also completely logical for pretty young females to not want to spend their time with boring old men and to want to spend it with charming young good-looking guys. I understand that. If they do that, though, they should not expect the men they shun to pay for their college with their taxes. “

I’m addressing this because this isn’t the first time I’ve seen these types of comments on the board.

I will let you guys in on a secret: younger guys spend money at the clubs as well. Especially for us dancers who prefer to work the room and not just sit with one guy for a long freaking time in the hopes of a larger sale. Younger males hate socializing, so I can start saying “hi” and they are often immediately ready for a dance soon after. Including at clubs where the dance price is $40 or $100 for a single song. Younger guys I’ve also noticed tend to say less stupid things, such as bragging about their money and pitching outside the club services…without wanting to spend. Or other entitled nonsense.

The main downside is some guys closer to my age definitely have a barely legal fetish which makes things weird. Like a couple of them I accidentally tell them my age because I was drinking and not thinking or something and their interest in me suddenly goes way cold. So I have to remember to lie. Whereas a lot of older customers actually prefer my age. It’s annoying, but at least the fast sale potential is still there as long as I’m lying.

Gen Z guys I have even less beef with. They are the most straightforward guys of all. They either spend immediately or the most straightforward furniture. Except a lot of them are so nice I actually feel guilty when I act like if they buy more dances I might consider going on a date with them. Unlike a lot of older customers, I think they believe me. 😐 (but if he’s from the club I’ll go out with a 23 year old over a fellow 29 year old anytime—why do guys born closer to my year have to be weirdos?!)

A lot of them also tip more on stage. One time I was at a club, and there was one older white guy there sitting at the stage. There is no tip there so I walk by and do a pole spin. There was a whole group of 20/30something year olds, like maybe 5 of them? Collectively they probably put like $50-$70 on stage throughout my set? Naturally, my attention was on them. I peek behind occasionally and see no tip money. Cool, will keep talking to/motorboating/etc the guys tipping me. . Finally on the last song I see $2, so okay I’ll walk over and briefly acknowledge (figured if he was actually going to tip this late, maybe he was going to ask for a dance)). I smile and briefly do a mini dance and then he screams out “oh finally, you can actually get away from these young guys!” I had no words for him, so I immediately walked back. Asked who wanted a dance. A couple of them would end up getting some.

Older guys often require more time and attention, and push back against “wanna dance” type of stuff. So sorry, if I’m in a crowded room and I’m overwhelmed by people and I’m absolutely going to prioritize the likely quicker sale. I talk to older guys plenty, at slower times. Granted, older customers are more likely to become regulars and be a stable source of money in the future, I’ll admit that. But of all the old white guys I’ve interacted with who have turned into regulars that’s probably like less than 1%? That’s a numbers game I’ll play when I feel like playing, thanks. There are more than plenty of slow shifts out there to make that happen.

…fellow dancers are encouraged to comment on this thread because I’m sure our opinions are all over the map here.

111 comments

  • Warrior15
    2 years ago
    Did you just need to vent ?
  • nicespice
    2 years ago
    Yep, I am venting at somebody else’s venting. And if I remember that individual poster’s discussion history correctly, then he comes in the club and drops $100 biweekly anyways. But thinks dancers should pay attention to him for being an old white guy over a 20something.

    Ooh! And while I’m still in vent-mode, I just remembered the time I was actually pretty busy that day. There’s one older white guy at a table and yeah I can see him checking out my stage set the two times I went up while he was there. But other people (30something year old Mexicans) would actually walk up and tip me, and I’d ask for a dance and they would say yes. So I happened to be busy that day.

    Then when I finally free up, he makes eye contact with me. I walk over to him. Then he lectures me that he was waiting for me to approach him this whole time, but he has to go now. He really showed me 🙄 Um sir, if you were looking at me me then couldn’t you tell that I was occupied? I have no problems dancing for customers who have melanin
  • psycho_trick
    2 years ago
    another syphilis_spice rant. yes, young dudes are easier marks. duh. fuck off troll.
  • psycho_trick
    2 years ago
    lmao. nobody cares about your pot-bellied stretchmarked complaints/insults troll. take that shit to reddit and whine.
  • Warrior15
    2 years ago
    Do you feel better now ?
  • psycho_trick
    2 years ago
    i love this place. lulz.
  • Muddy
    2 years ago
    Psycho trick the dancers are cool man we really gotta end this beef with y’all. It went side ways at one point let’s just have a heart to heart PM apologies all around and it’ll end today.


    @Nice Maybe surface money I could see but I ain’t buying you can dig deep on a Gen Z guy like you could an older dude barring your not in some weird tech city, which you actually were in at one point. That dance that 20 year old kid just gave you was his hot pocket money for the week he just said fuck it on.
  • mark94
    2 years ago
    Strip clubs are businesses. Strippers provide a service. Everything that happens once you walk in the door is a business transaction. If you accept that, there can be a lot less drama involved in frequenting clubs.

    The correct response when a service provider doesn’t meet expectations is to shrug your shoulders and find another provider. Shit happens.
  • whodey
    2 years ago
    If we are going to be ranting, what's with all the focus on either old geezers or young guys?

    What about us middle age guys in our 40s or 50s? We can offer some of the best aspects of both the old geezers and young bucks. We have more disposable income than the 20-somethings and we are in more of a rush to get dances than the retirees since we have other responsibilities to attend to so we don't need the hour long slow sales pitch. This can lead to either a series of multiple dances or a more lucrative VIP room session with just a minimal sales pitch.

    Who am I kidding, the dancers probably lump anyone like me who is 40+ into the old geezers category.
  • georgmicrodong
    2 years ago
    @nicepsice: your comments about younger guys spending more immediately matches what I've been seeing lately as well. The youngest guys seem to make a decision, whether it's to spend or decline, pretty fast. The next age bracket seems to take a little longer to decide, but seems more amenable to saying yes, and spending some more. It's us older guys who want to spend the entire night talking for a $20 tip and offer marriage and vacation getaways instead of dances and VIPs. One of my favorites mentions this fairly often. She objects to the youngest crowd because when they find out she won't fuck for free, they lose interest, so she actually has to work harder (as in act not irritated) to make additional sales, where as the older ones aren't as focused on getting "free" sex.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    Tuscl is the first I ever heard about old white men being such great customers.

    From what I've known they have a reputation for being cheap and overly demanding. And many are laughed at. Girls will make fun of girls who put up with them.

    And ones I've seen come in during dayshift. Try to spend as little as possible. Want ldks and leave or fall asleep.
  • psycho_trick
    2 years ago
    "heart to heart PM apologies"

    fair enough muddy. but it won't be that easy. the she-trolls i bash drew first blood and i'm having a great time discouraging bad dancer behavior.
    i'll accept sincere public apologies and no further disrespect to men on this forum. otherwise i'm just getting started and it's only gonna get worse. this is a one-time offer (but i'm betting they actually loving the attention).


  • docsavage
    2 years ago
    "Yep, I am venting at somebody else’s venting. And if I remember that individual poster’s discussion history correctly, then he comes in the club and drops $100 biweekly anyways. But thinks dancers should pay attention to him for being an old white guy over a 20something."

    You quoted me so I assume you are referring to me here. Anyone who wants to can click on my name, look at my comments, and see I don't think strippers should pay attention to me just because I'm old. They should pay attention to me if they want my money, but they are free to ignore me if they want.

    In the last discussion I posted here, I mentioned I let a stripper keep her robe on during our lap dance because she was cold. Look it up. Does this sound like a demanding old man? My current favorite recently told me she always has a feeling of relief when I walk in the door because I never cause her any trouble. Many commenters here would consider me a "chump" because I spend money and only expect lap dances. I club in a city in which strippers often get fired for doing in the club extras and I like strippers and don't want to see them get fired so I don't ask for that.

    In my last comment you quoted from, I expressed sympathy for young people and the country they are inheriting. I have not seen you show any sympathy at all for people who are forced to pay for the college degrees of others. I'm totally used to that sort of thing. People who support themselves instead of expecting others to support them never get any sympathy or appreciation. Unfortunately, every year there are fewer people who are self-supporting. This is leading us into an economic crisis. The only future choices we have now are whether we have runaway inflation or have something like the Great Depression but worse.
  • conan_mac_morna
    2 years ago
    $100 for one song? That song better be Beethoven's 9th. :P

    As a painfully self-aware old(-ish per Whodey's description) white guy, I have to agree with Spice's rant. I tip well (staff and dancers) and am polite to everyone, and have been told repeatedly that I'm unusual that way.

    Also, as Mark said, it's a business. Do you (the general you) go out of your way to antagonize your waitress or HR rep? Not if you have any sense of self-preservation. Treat SWers the same, fellow PLs.
  • rickmacrodong
    2 years ago
    Nicespice all the stuff you mentioned about needing time and attention, becoming a stable regular etc applies to me but im in my 20s.


    “Except a lot of them are so nice I actually feel guilty when I act like if they buy more dances I might consider going on a date with them. Unlike a lot of older customers, I think they believe me. 😐 (but if he’s from the club I’ll go out with a 23 year old over a fellow 29 year old anytime—“

    How do you act like you’d go on a date with them if they spend more? Also how do you know they want this? Ive spent thousands on strippers, would spend thousands on certain pornstars and escorts but wouldn’t consider dating them in an exclusive relationship. Are there actually people buying dances from strippers thinking that it’ll help them date the stripper or something? That’s laughable and sad.

    The only relationship id enter into with an escort pornstar or stripper would be a secret open relationship. My family and professional contacts don’t know about it, and it’s open


    Icee I thought the older men are bigger spenders and the indian asian men stereotype is they spend less?
  • steve3000
    2 years ago
    A general comment - I suggest that everyone try to have fun on their strip club visits. Sometimes they can be boring and uneventful with little dancer contact. Waiting for dancer attention can be disappointing, but getting butt hurt over it is just making your visit worse.
  • rickdugan
    2 years ago
    I just don't understand why the old guy cares so much. If anything he dodged a bullet by not being approached by a girl with those preferences.

    All information is good information. A wanna dance girl is usually a wanna dance girl for a reason, IME most often because she struggles with prolonged interactions. Girls who gravitate to younger guys are also telling you something about their motivations and preferences. Be grateful when these girls don't try to fight their natural preferences - IME rarely do interactions with emotionally challenged dancers go well.

    A club crew is always going to be comprised of various personality types and sometimes they'll skew a certain way. When a night is not going how you hope, there are always other girls, other clubs and, in the worst case, other nights.

  • twentyfive
    2 years ago
    All this dislike directed at old white guys, just remember your turn is coming you young whippersnappers will eventually get older and be the new generation of old white guys, except for Iceefag he’s not going to survive to become and old white guy, it’s more likely he’s gonna be dead before 40
  • Jimmybigtits
    2 years ago
    We older white guys with money have plenty of advantages in the club. Guys don't get so butthurt when a dancer who is an active participant and thoughtful comes here and says things you may not want to hear. As Rick says, information is key and IMO worth it's weight in gold. It saves me time being observant and picking up on dancer preferences.

    And why the hell would some of you event want to drive dancers away from this forum?
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    It's about time geriatric tricks stopped being treated like sacred cows on here
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    And it's not about age but about sets of behaviors attributed to them that are commonly seen
  • rickmacrodong
    2 years ago
    Icee what behaviors are commonly seen in them? What does it mean if a younger guy is showing those behaviors?
    Btw it is racist to say X race person acts this way.
    Its ageist to say it about someone’s age but at least everyone goes through the age stages
  • Warrior15
    2 years ago
    BTE, Icey is simply trying to start an argument. It's best just to ignore him. No one really takes anything he says seriously. In fact, many have simply put in on Ignore. I just laugh at him.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    No. I'm being honest. Outside of this forum old white guys have negative reputations in clubs. Cheap snd demanding. And those on here match that.

    Dancers get laughed at and called broke for being desperate enough to deal with them coz they're time wasters.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    The d7mbasses on here acting like old white guys are all rich and so in demand by dancers are delusional
  • motorhead
    2 years ago
    The fatal flaw in Icee’s stereotyping old guys as cheap is that ever once in a while a dancer is going to find a whale. That holy grail of a guy that spends over $1000 per visit, sometimes substantially more. Takes dancers shopping, trips to Florida or Vegas. Whether it’s 1 in 10 or 1 in 30 or 1 in 100, I don’t know but the odds of finding a guy in his 20’s doing the same is probably close to zero
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    Adults don't engage in concrete 6jinking unless they're severely retarded. You must be to assume I said every single one.

    This is my favorite thread nicespice is just saying what I've said about old tricks since day 1
  • TheeOSU
    2 years ago
    ^

    Question homie, what's concrete 6jinking?
    You're coming off as severely retarded lulz
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    Obviously the women who work in strip clubs want money. They are all dolled up and out there, and they expect to get it. If you don't want to hand it out, better to go someplace else.

    Sometimes it may seem that what they want is excessive. Well that is just the market. We need more strip clubs, or better these Private Party / Membership Club Venues.

    If on the other hand you are prepared to engage with strippers, and you like strippers, then by all means. Buying dances is a Chumps Game, but money was invented for handing to women. So pick the one you want and try to get her on the fast track to the bedroom, with of course FRMOS and then the backroom maximum. If you have planned what you are going to say to the girl of your choice, you should be able to make everything happen with her with a minimum of talk time. You'll have plenty of bedroom time to talk to her between rounds soon.

    And FWIW, in the organization I am building the women are always extremely well taken care of, and they have been fully trained and initiated as sex slaves. They know that they are to make you know that you are King of the World and that all women are to give you sexual pleasure.

    Thanks Nicespice for starting this thread so that the various parties can air their views.

    SJG

    Emily Williams
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX00cSNw…

    Archie Bell and The Drells
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agclATD-…
  • TheeOSU
    2 years ago
    ^


    Speaking of severely retarded........
  • nicespice
    2 years ago
    Because Icee is Icee, I’ll just put out the disclaimer that I’ve already said my regulars are mostly old white guys 🤷🏻‍♀️ And I’ll put out another disclaimer that if a dancer is the type who refuses to do single dances and goes for higher spenders ($500 minimum) exclusively, yeah stick to the old white guy demographic and also stick to the clubs set up for that as well. And said dancers do a good job of filtering out the dudes with a special-white-guy complex already (plus also the customers without a complex—but they happen to have a lower budget, but that’s fine too).

    But I’m a laid back type, and while I wish I was more of a pushy biatch like that I am not. So no all-or-nothing demands from me. But in turn, I expect the same treatment from customers. And I have no problem with customers of all types of demographics.

    Btw my definition of “old white guy” for the purposes of this thread is like…45 or 50? Yes, I get that’s technically middle aged, but that’s old enough for somebody to develop a “I deserve extra special treatment because I’m an older white person” complex if they are going to have one.

    And in response to an earlier comment, yes Gen Z will spend. Maybe not 1k, but $100-$400 is not uncommon. I don’t question their source of money but I assume it’s from their parents. Which is fine with me.
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    ^ Generosity, Charm, let a FRMOS proceed. Front room maximum, the back room maximum, the out the door with her ASAP, and regular beddings to follow.

    She will be getting groomed for the organization. Meeting other people will be key. Then setting up an interview with a panel of the women, then with a panel of the men.

    She does not have to agree to this right off. Could take years. With some they will be reaching stripper/escort retirement age when they decide to accept. That will be fine.

    But hopefully she will eventually decide to go along with it, and then her formal instruction and sex slave initiation can be set up.

    Going our way will always be better than anything she could likely come up with on her own. Better than Sex Work, Marriage, or Entrepreneurship on her own.

    SJG
  • nicespice
    2 years ago
    Ooh thanks ThirdEyeBlind for bumping the other thread that had white people self-congratulating themselves for being white and “just repeating” that they heard some dancers talk smack about certain ethnicity minority customers. (Plus Icee making racist comments against Indians) Great tie in for this thread. 😁
  • rickdugan
    2 years ago
    ===> "Btw my definition of “old white guy” for the purposes of this thread is like…45 or 50"

    Well that probably captures almost everyone who participates on this board - definitely including me. 😉

    Not I certainly understand being comfortable in my own skin and generally confident in a club, but I certainly have no sense of self-entitlement. I don't spend even a second wondering why any girl decides to focus on younger dudes and/or just "wanna dances" me. I do notice it, but beyond attaching a mental "not worth my attention" tag on her and then moving my attention elsewhere, I don't give it much thought. Not only because she doesn't want my attention anyway, but because she's probably not going to be around the club long anyway. The next time I see her, I almost always remember the "not worth my attention" tag - though often not why lol - and proceed accordingly.
  • rickdugan
    2 years ago
    There are just too many girls who are eager for decent spenders to waste even a little energy worrying about those who aren't. Again I just don't get it.
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    Most strip clubs the girls are responsive to a little bit of money and attention. The high dances prices nicespice is citing, I am sure they are real some places, but I don't think they are universal.

    The most difficult clubs to get the girls off script are usually DV, like their San Francisco flagship Centerfolds. But it still can be done.

    As far as guys thinking they are customer almighty, that is not good. In strip clubs money is essential. But if you select and approach the girl you want, there is a good chance she can really be opened up to you. It might take time, like at DV centerfolds, and that makes it take even more money. But it generally still can be done.

    Guys are just dumb in that they decline to approach dancers, and they get shunted into buying dances, mostly because they have never thought it through.

    Generosity yes, but buying dances no.

    SJG

    Great White
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oe-aPYs…
  • nicespice
    2 years ago
    Granted, I might have been there on an off day, but Emperor’s did strike me as a slower paced kind of club. Kinda like dayshift at my home club. Not a negative judgement from me, and I do work during the day at my home club and that’s the club I’ve clocked the most shifts in cumulatively at this point. But at Emperor’s the two times I went back with a dancer, we had the dance area to ourselves. So I’m sure dancers who want a faster pace (especially when trying to cover expenses right away after having booked somewhere for a week or two) easily filter themselves elsewhere.
  • Muddy
    2 years ago
    Is it also possible the West coast is just weird as hell?
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    The west coast is normal. Your bigot ass is weird as hell.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    Old white tricks on here think they're special lil snowflakes lulz


    Most of their discussions are bitching about dancers not being hoes not doing what they say and complaining about prices
  • rickdugan
    2 years ago
    Nice, I've clubbed in a lot of places. Emperor's in just one club among many. But Emperor's is often very busy on weekend nights. That Friday night was unusually slow. But I'll admit that I do tend to prefer slower nights, which does flavor my approach.

    But also consider this: Most clubs in most places are slower on weekday nights. If a girl is going to make a consistent living from any club, she can't just count on one or two busy nights a week. That's OK for dayjob girls and tourist dancers, but not so much for those who dance F/T. This is especially true now, with business travel still depressed and a lot of guys still not going back to their offices in bigger cities.

    So when I encounter a dancer who struggles to interact with guys or who otherwise doesn't seem terribly motived, my mind immediately slots her into that "dayjob girl/tourist dancer" bucket and moves on. She won't be around for long anyway, so she's not worth my attention. I don't even do it consciously anymore - it's pure reflex at this point. I prefer to direct my spending to girls who seem committed to what they are doing.
  • nicespice
    2 years ago
    —>“You quoted me so I assume you are referring to me here. Anyone who wants to can click on my name, look at my comments, and see I don't think strippers should pay attention to me just because I'm old.”

    You have literally brought up, “young guys” more than once. Unless I’m confusing you with somebody else…?

    @Muddy I’ve had positive experiences with zoomers in in multiple states. In Portland tho even with them I had to slow down on the young guys there. Yeah, I know I said what I said about student loan discharging in that other thread but if I’m in the club but you know what disregard what I say and I 100% want crybaby progressives to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and believe in hard work and they have no rights to demand forgiveness.

    The most mind boggling personal experience I had with zoomers was in this college town where I happened to go to school several years prior. And I danced out there for the heck of it. I remember how my fellow students were back then when I was out and about on campus or house parties or regular bars. Can’t compare strip club behavior apples to apples because I wasn’t dancing back then, but from what I saw those those guys were a whole different breed of male than my peers. Like if I had been born 5-9 years younger, I don’t know whether I’d have even started dancing because somebody might have just been waaay too sweet and I’d be in some kind of loving relationship and discouraged from dancing in the titty bar in the first place. Idk.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    Rick a girl can easily live off of one or 2 busy nights a week. Many do it.
  • VanessaM
    2 years ago
    All my big spenders are in their early 30’s . They’re the most fun. They are not perverted. They don’t push my boundaries
  • rickdugan
    2 years ago
    ^ Icee, maybe once upon a time, but right now "busy" doesn't mean the same thing as it used to. What I'm hearing pretty consistently from the girls now is that a lot of guys in the clubs does not necessarily equate into a lot of spending. A lot of the guys who file into the clubs in groups on Fri and Sat nights are not spending a lot on the dancers. Sure there is more stage tipping, but selling dances is another matter.

    Also, seasonal considerations exist everywhere. Summer is slower in a lot of areas, as are some holiday periods. There are also times when clubs are slower than normal on a weekend night due to other local events, such as sporting events, concerts and other entertainment events.

    Net-net relying upon two nights per week for your living rarely works out for long. If a girl can't find a way to earn during slower periods, she's going to be in trouble sooner or later.
  • ilbbaicnl
    2 years ago
    @nice If there are clubs where you can make a benjy a song, why would you ever dance anywhere else?
  • ilbbaicnl
    2 years ago
    To avoid potential vein popping, I don't think nice is saying she avoids older customers. I think her main point is, she doesn't buy the "you're dumb cause you'll get the most money eventually with the old guys" OCS (Old Customer Shit). A young guy with money in hand is worth two old guys with money potentially hidden in their (un-landscaped) bushes.
  • rickdugan
    2 years ago
    Ilb, I'm sure your intentions are good, but I think that each guy can read her posts for himself and draw his own conclusions. I wouldn't characterize anyone's reaction thus far as "vein popping" so maybe we can also avoid the drama queen stuff. Just a few thoughts.
  • ilbbaicnl
    2 years ago
    @nice why would you hesitate to go out with a guy who's 5 to 10 years younger, if you feel like you'd potentially click with them?

    To be honest, I'm skeptical that the percentage of men creepy around strippers dropped from 50+% to 0% between Millenials and Zoomers. One trick is to say you're tired of getting dogged at the bar/Starbucks/the mall/wherever. Would he please come with and hang with you so you don't get hit on. Less risk of drama if it turns out no chemistry if the date is a non-date.
  • ilbbaicnl
    2 years ago
    Fuck, I use to only have to wish I was 35 years younger. Now nice made me have to wish I was 42 years younger.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    Rick. Yeah there isn't as much money being spent jn clubs now as before. Not even as much as a few months ago.

    But a girl can make enough money working one or two days a week. I guess it depends where you are and the club but it's very doable.

    A weekend in Vegas is good. And in la working a party night or two can make a girl 2k a week easily.

    Of course the girl has to look good and hustle
  • rickdugan
    2 years ago
    Icee, most of us are not in Vegas. Stop speaking as if you know what is happening around the country. A $1k night would be a big reach for many girls in many places right now.
  • rickdugan
    2 years ago
    And even when it was more common, see what I posted above about variable seasons and special events. A girl cannot plan to consistently make a living on 2 nights a week so stop posting stupid.
  • rickmacrodong
    2 years ago
    Icee what do you mean by the girl has to hustle?

    Remember the club also takes a cut.
    Even making 1k on a friday or Saturday night is difficult for a lot of dancers. An above average friday or Saturday is 1k. The average might be $500 a night on weekends.

    Icee why is there not as much being spent now vs a few months ago? Whats changed?
  • blahblahblah23
    2 years ago
    Thank you for that post.

    I was wondering if some old white guys acted weird and entitled with me for being an "undesirable" white foreign looking bitch but nevermind. Seems a lot of them are weird with every type of girl.
  • blahblahblah23
    2 years ago
    I used to commonly have 1k nights but not these days. I havent been back at the club in a minute, but pdx only has a few places that is even possible regularly and they are almost all high mileage to me. Just my worthless 2 cents.
  • ilbbaicnl
    2 years ago
    I wonder if Trump ever went to a strip club and made it rain pages of top secret government documents. And then got mad, cause the strippers were more interested in the dollar bills the young guys were throwing.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    Rick small town clubs aren't the norm and everyone here talks about their environs.


    Blahblah thats in a lot of places. Clubs with weekly parties are the best money makers. And touristy ones during conventions etc. Girls are getting used to less money though. Which is fucked up.
  • ATACdawg
    2 years ago
    @whodey: "...we are in more of a rush to get dances than the retirees..."

    More of a rush? Heck, I'm 71! I could keel over any minute now! 😜
  • 48-Cowboy
    2 years ago
    Thanks for the validation Nicespice! Boomers are ridiculous and super entitled. They all think they need their baba and binky
  • rickmacrodong
    2 years ago
    The wanna dance girls may not have conversational skills. When i said no to a wanna dance girl she put her face and nose right up to mine then looked me in the eyes while saying why not like a bratty schoolyard bully. I think she was almost as tall as me. I eventually got a dance with her and she was super excited pulling my hair like crazy. She was very thicc and curvy and when she would sit on my lap the weight was almost too much to bear im guessing she weighed 190 or more
  • rickdugan
    2 years ago
    ===> "Rick small town clubs aren't the norm and everyone here talks about their environs."

    Actually you're wrong Icee...yet again. As someone who has clubbed all over the country and researched their locations in almost every state, I'd be surprised if 10% of the clubs listed on this site are in what anyone would consider to be large urban markets. The rest are scattered in small cities and towns all over the country.

    But even in those large urban markets, you'd be foolish to pin your existence on 2 shifts per week, especially now for all of the reasons discussed above. IME almost any girl who is dancing that little either has a vanilla job to supplement or reduced expenses (living with relative, in school with room and board covered, etc.).
  • skibum609
    2 years ago
    Nice Spice deserves a medal for making the day for the two little bitches: Icee and Faggot Cowboy. Wah, bitches. Anyone who thinks money doesn't talk; everywhere; is an idiot. This is supposed to be entertainment, not a lifestyle. Bad economy coming and young males always bear the brunt of it. So, fucking glad.
  • skibum609
    2 years ago
    By the way, thanks for the validation? Softer than puppy shit. What kind of total nothing comes to a strip club board for validation> Gee, thanks for the validation, how manly lol.
  • 48-Cowboy
    2 years ago
    ^ oh goody! You will be dead soon. Good riddance
  • MackTruck
    2 years ago
    I'ma clean up dis tred because everyone loosing DER shit!!!LMFAO 🤣😂😂😭😭
  • MackTruck
    2 years ago
    If you lost your mind you got shit for brainz
  • rickmacrodong
    2 years ago
    Rick I think ilbaicln has you blocked.

    Btw what about the side hustles and side businesses? Is it something every most strippers have going on. It seems like the ones with a decent enough side hustle are less likely to offer OTC? Also someone I know claims strippers are unable to do regular jobs. What’s the reasoning for that, like a retail type job shouldn’t be that difficult it just doesn’t pay much
  • twentyfive
    2 years ago
    As a proud Boomer I say you’re only as old as the gal you’re fucking, Gawker you’re my hero same as Jack Slash, Shadowcat and a bunch of other great men that keep on keeping on to the dismay of these young whippersnappers that just can’t keep the pace My generation is still too dog and weak assed threads like this keep proving my point.
  • twentyfive
    2 years ago
    Should be top dog, not too dog
  • Hank Moody
    2 years ago
    IDGAF what old or young guys are like. I go to the club to have fun and the only person whose fun I care about is mine. Being unapologetically selfish is one of the best things about strip clubs, if not THE best thing.
  • mark94
    2 years ago
    It’s like the classic psychology experiment where people choose between
    1 They get money but somebody else gets more
    2. Nobody gets anything

    A surprisingly high number choose 2
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    Rick. Tuscl listing are off to say the least and the reviews are repetitive and pointless. How many times does a club need to be described?

    But I know girls making a nice living working one or two nights a week just doing weekly parties at clubs. They can make up to 6k a week doing those but average like 3k. That's in LA.

    In Vegas a weekend at a touristy club can be enough to not have to bother with the week. Although that's probably going to change depending on the economy the next few months. But the vegas mantra seems to be pussy sells
  • FishHawk
    2 years ago
    As an old white guy I have been wondering how to respond to this thread. In many ways nicespice is right a lot of us older guys because of our job experiences where as we worked our way up the ladder are used to people deferring to our wisdom and experience. In a strip club the rules are different. The baseline is exchange is our money for the dancers time and entertainment. Our wit and charm can make the experience more enjoyable but without money there is no experience.
  • TheeOSU
    2 years ago
    'I was once a young guy in the club and I was often ignored, keep in mind this was 15 years ago. I probably spent more then than I do now, mainly because I drink less and take fewer trips.'




    That's interesting, so is this why sj turned sjgay?
  • Papi_Chulo
    2 years ago
    Just as custies have a preference for a particular type of dancer (age; build; ethnicity; personality; etc); one would assume dancers also have a preference for a particular type of custy – just like certain custies don’t necessarily go for “the hottest girl in the club” for various reasons; likewise some dancers may not go for “the custy that looks like he’s got the most $$$” for various reasons – there’s something to be said w.r.t. feeling more comfortable w/ the dancer/custy.

    Having said this, both from reading SW in the past, and dancers I’ve talked to, as well as my personal experience; overall I’ve heard more complaints w.r.t. younger guys – such as:

    + they are at the club more to party than to spend

    + the younger-guys tend to be the ones that wanna ask for (real/nonpaid) dates

    + I’ve often heard from dancers that older-guys tend to be more respectful and younger guys more aggressive – of course this is not universal but it is part of nature that younger-males will usually be more aggressive in general


    I’ve posted in the past that I started SCing somewhat-regularly at age 30 and how if I hit a particular club or a particular time where there were older guys, that is was more common for me to be passed-up for the older guys (assuming we were both dressed the same – actually pre-TUSCL I would dress better in the club usually business-casual).

    I also think that most of us that have been clubbing for a good # of years, we likely tend to spend more in our later years for various reasons (more established economically and in our careers etc; usually more established financially overall in life; i.e. college debt is likely a thing of the past; the older guys have already owned a home for many years and not trying to save up a big-down-payment for a home; etc).

    This doesn’t mean that dealing w/ older-custies doesn’t have any downsides – at the very-least there is a generational-divide - as an older-custy one is not only older but one will usually think/feel differently that when in his 20s - older custies also grew-up in a different (pre-hip-hop) era w/ different social-norms thus many younger-dancers may have a hard-time understanding older-custies and vice-versa.

    At the end of the day, just like there isn’t a specific type of dancer for all PLs, there isn’t a specific type of custy for all dancers – some dancers can’t stand the young-guys; and some dancers can’t stand the old guys – a strip-club is not a perfect ecosystem and it's a bit of a no-man’s-land and as long as P4P remains illegal I think most clubs will continue to be a crapshoot when it comes to functioning at their best.
  • AaaaaAaaaaaa
    2 years ago
    Idk I’m sorry but I’m gonna have to disagree with you here. Before Covid, I used to get less younger guys, but I do get more now. I would say overall older guys (that are seasoned to strip clubs) are more respectful to me. Although, there are assholes of all kinds and many different flavors, but I do prefer the older men generally. It is interesting how Covid affected strip club demographics because I haven’t seen a lot of my former regulars, who I’m pretty sure died or are disabled now. Now, it’s more so gen x or younger, but older men are typically more respectful from my experience. I’ve stripped for like 8 years now. I’m still more of regular gal though. I can talk for awhile when someone’s interesting, and I’d rather get to know someone more instead of doing a quick hustle. It makes me feel more comfortable. We may be in different club environments though. Lol.
  • gammanu95
    2 years ago
    As a middle-aged white guy (who believes fairness, consideration, and moderation is key in all aspects of life), I am so sick of entitled old people. White, black, male, female, these fucking old people who think they are owed something is outrageous. Retirement age should also be a metric for annual driving evaluations. I have never seen any demographic who are so slow and dangerous behind the wheel!

    They really do seem to think they should be able to get whatever they want on demand. They are actually every bit as bad as Generation Z. Every boomer should be paired with Gen Z, maybe add in a Millennial, to see who kills the other or offs themselves first. That would clear the way for us Gen X'ers to actually get shit done.
  • Cashman1234
    2 years ago
    The original post is a good rant. I understand that point. If you are a customer and you get annoyed that a dancer doesn’t approach you, and you’ve done nothing beyond eye contact - that seems passive aggressive.

    In my view, a customer can talk with a dancer to tell her he wants to buy dances - or he can tip her so she knows you like her stage work (hoping she will come by so you can buy dances from her.
  • queencarmen
    2 years ago
    I read some of the comments but not all because my lil brain is tired (it’s 7:30 am) but it must be subjective because I would rather dance for a 50 year old white dude over any Gen Z’r and I am a Gen Z’r. But then again I kinda love the daddies hehe oops :) they are more clean too like young guys can be stank breath nasty basement dwellers but also 75 year olds can also be having that halitosis so tbh idek if age matters. As long as u smell good and have money I’m ready LOL
  • Muddy
    2 years ago
    ^^^Hey queencarmen I already bought the dove soap and I'm at the atm right now.


    And nicespice I feel like those weird anime guys, like heaving, they must fucking love you. I don't think that crowd would be older.
  • nicespice
    2 years ago
    So I’ll just say shout out to Muddy and heaving for taking my extra harsh comments about their cohort with grace. 👀

    As for weird anime guys. Yeah some love me. Some are pedo dudes who follow red pill stuff and believe women go through menopause at the age of 25 or something. And some would just be really offended I haven’t watched any Dragon Ball Super episodes yet despite that the show has been done with for four years now
  • skibum609
    2 years ago
    I never thought going out for a beer and a fondle could be so complicated.
  • Jascoi
    2 years ago
    “No, being old and white doesn’t make you the customer almighty automatically
    …unless you are actually spending money.”

    nicespice, you are right.
  • rickdugan
    2 years ago
    ===> "I never thought going out for a beer and a fondle could be so complicated."

    It isn't. Or at least it shouldn't be.

    This is nothing more than a thread started by a girl looking to rationalize how she manages her extreme coping limitations ITC and too many old dudes who are taking it far too personally.

    Unfortunately this same behavior plays out in clubs all over the country on any given night. Almost every girl has some number of girls with different coping challenges. It often plays out in who they choose to approach or if they bother to approach anyone at all. But instead of recognizing this for what it is, we hear endless complaints about girls who prefer young guys, or are "locked down" by regulars, or who sit on their phones, etc., etc.

    Granted nice's limitations are just...extreme, but it's still nothing more than a variation of the same underlying issues. Rather than fixating on it, guys would be much better off just acknowledging saying "go yee forth" and focusing their efforts on the girls who want to be fondled by them. But to each his own I suppose.
  • rickdugan
    2 years ago
    That should have been: "Almost every <strong>club</strong> has some number of girls with different coping challenges." LOL
  • wallanon
    2 years ago
    "As long as u smell good and have money I’m ready LOL"

    queencarmen for president.
  • RiskA
    2 years ago
    Yay free markets: the OP can choose her customers as she deems fit, and if she loses $, it’s on her (unless/until she asks for a bailout, then getting shit is the price tag). Maybe her business model succeeds, or maybe her regulars don’t like it & take their business elsewhere. Her choice to make. I’m older & a polygamous “regular” type, and I find plenty of willing sellers. I happen to be white, but it’s only green that really matters in this setting.
  • ilbbaicnl
    2 years ago
    Dancers who work the "maybe you're my Mr. Right" hustle probably find it easier with younger guys. If you're going to do it with the older ones, you have to get the DJ to play that "guys my age don't know how to treat me" song every damn time you're on stage.

    A relevant thing with this is when the PL assumes dancers have no self-respect. There's the judgmental flavor and the pitying flavor. Maybe older PLs are more likely to make this assumption. Maybe younger PLs are more likely to be the pitying/white knight type.
  • nicespice
    2 years ago
    To the comments that were some variation of “who cares?” as a comment—there are only some I believe. One of them is shadowcat. Why shadowcat? Because he didn’t post in here 👀
  • rickdugan
    2 years ago
    @Nice: One doesn't have to be personally offended by dancers' time allocation decisions to find it an interesting topic. We are almost all affected by it in one way or another.

    For example, many of us have sat with a girl who is getting ye ol' death stare from some desperate jerkoff with a few 20s burning a hole in his pocket. Then there are the guys who try to hide their impatience, but you can see them constantly looking over and sometimes they get so desperate that they eventually try to interrupt.

    Then there is the girl who has historically avoid you for one reason or another, but the club is slow as fuck and she realizes that if she wants to make any money she needs to switch gears. So she makes the attempt, but you can tell from her body language and difficulty in communicating that she's not in her comfort zone. There's nothing worse than those "I want to chew my own arm off just to escape the bear trap" moments with those types of girls. I try to be as nice as possible, but I inevitably send them away quickly.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    Dancers tell me I'm the perfect customer. I spend. I don't act like I've never seen a girl. And they like fondling me lulz I like the look on their face when I give a big tip for nothing 🤑
  • gammanu95
    2 years ago
    My aunt & uncle had a dog named Carmen.
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    In my organization, very little will depend directly on me. Other people will be empowered to make the vast majority of decisions.

    So if we learn of a strip club dancer and decide that we want her. Well select some to try a crack at her. We will send guys with a prove track record of getting to women. We will try to figure what kind of a guy she would go for. We will even find guys of am MBTI compatible with her.

    If she rebuffs one, he will be debriefed for what he learned about her and what his impressions are.

    Then send the next.

    One way or another, someone will get to her.

    And then very soon she'll be getting instructed and measured for her first set of slave uniforms.

    She doesn't ever have to even meet me. I'll be looking for those I can move into administrative roles anyway.

    SJG

  • Mate27
    2 years ago
    ^^ that makes no sense. You’ve been spouting off about the organization you’re building for 10 years and so far anytime you say why it Still has t gotten off the ground you come up with some sort of bullshit excuse, that sociopaths always have to justify they’re psychopathic behaviors. The only reason why Founder hasn’t banned SJG is because this way we know where the crazies are hiding out, and this place gives the crazy idiot like you something to do instead of focusing you’re time and energy raping women in their sleep.
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    Sjgs org is like a pimp network lulz
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    No pimp network, nothing like that, no money for sex.

    The Org is coming along fine. Mostly I want to have it going well during my life time and with plans for orderly succession. It takes time, because it relates to social, political, and financial power.

    And if there is a strip club dancer that we want, we can make it happen. Soon she'll be getting measured for her first set of slave uniforms.

    SJG
  • Mate27
    2 years ago
    ^^ keep in mind your word on here is as good as your internet connection during the pandemic.
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    Keep in mind that I know I am talking to noise makers only.

    SJG
  • Mate27
    2 years ago
    ^^ more ad hominem attacks from left wing radical idiots.
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    left wing radical idiots is an ad hominem.

    The people that are idiots are the neoliberals like Gavin Newsom.

    SJG
  • 48-Cowboy
    2 years ago
    Look at all of you dumb old fucks... Nicespice said old white guys are not the end all be all customer, UNLESS THEY ARE SPENDING MONEY! Then all you old fucks start on on justifying your age and get defensive... Lmfao 😂😂😂

    Either you are

    1) admitting you are too broke to spend money at the club

    2) Have no intention of spending and you like to string along those poor dancers with the little carrot of the belief that they will make money, then you plan on pulling the rug out from under them.

    3) Your reading comprehension is at elementary school level because Nicespice went harder after us millennials than boomers.

    Go back to school boomers. You flunked out

  • 48-Cowboy
    2 years ago
    ^ you shit on the swimming pool? Not surprising with you wearing sparkly butt plugs all of the time
  • skibum609
    2 years ago
    ^Biggest pussy on the site making Icee seem tough. You are just a little jealous, punk bitch. I see your screen name and I think: Village People. You making ten dollars an hour yet bitch?
  • 48-Cowboy
    2 years ago
    ^ it all makes sense now. I don't really remind you of the Village People. You are a big fan of them and have a big crush on all of them. You must have been a groupie and were denied by the cowboy villager and he broke your heart. Now you and desert scrub should go play dress up.
  • 48-Cowboy
    2 years ago
    I had to Google the village people...
  • skibum609
    2 years ago
    ^ I am very surprised you have the ability to use google. Very impressive ....for you.
  • 48-Cowboy
    2 years ago
    ^ not as impressive as an old white boomer to know how to use google
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    Recruiting, screening, approving, and initiating in my org cannot depend on me, not beyond the very beginning. Otherwise growth would be too slow. Others will be deputized to do this. And this also applies to the case of learning of a stripper who is a little bit hard shelled that we have decided we want to get.

    SJG
  • Icee Loco (asshole)
    2 years ago
    So you actually haven't done anything in a decade
  • san_jose_guy
    2 years ago
    Noting except regularly shot gunning trolls. I'm finding that I need to do that daily.

    SJG
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