Comments by samiel

Was it day shift or night shift?

Confirmed with a manager that the back dance area is closed off until 7pm every day.

For day shift, I doubt any club beats Baby Dolls in that area right now. I'm a member of the Bucks clubs and their day shift is okay. I can't comment on too many others since I don't get out to that area much. I'll check about the closed off area for you. Night shift, I'd say most clubs in that area will be busy on Friday and Saturday, but the cheap cover and $20 dancers and number of dancers make Baby Dolls very appealing in general.

@Subraman - Most of the clubs I go to are extras clubs, but most of the girls I've had FS OTC with I never did FS ITC. I think the more I've done ITC with a girl, the less I've done OTC with them for some reason. Maybe there are girls who generally do more ITC than OTC and vice versa?

@5footguy - ultimately you're most likely right about the $1500/hr girl. I think it's like seeing your favorite porn star and getting a chance to fuck her for $1500/hr. It probably wouldn't be great sex, but maybe you'd regret seizing the opportunity.

@azdd - I once had a super hot experience with a dancer ITC and got super horny and went to see another dancer at another club who I was super into but would never do anything extra since she had a bf. I was so horny that I offered her $1K, but she still declined. She was nice about it though, lol. It's funny that I hear a lot of dancers throwing around $1K in conversation with other dancers, but will actually do it for $300 no problem. I think the better looking dancers who have no problem making $1K a night are the ones who might have a very high OTC rate. I almost pulled the trigger on an absolute fantasy girl who wanted $1500/hr. I didn't bite, but I do regret it at times because I've only ever seen one other dancer who was better looking to me.

Muddy, 10% is pretty darn good since you generally don't have time to become a regular. That's why I originally put in a three month window. For me, I probably won't even ask about OTC until I've seen her a couple of times. If the budget was $1K the number would be much higher. I know quite a few girls who won't do OTC for $500, but would definitely do it for $1K.

I think she went to prison for a drug-related charge and/or parole violation. She actually became a house mom after getting out. Still not back to dancing as far as I know.

I would definitely discuss any deal breakers before meeting OTC. At the very least I discuss whether it will be FS or not. For sure discuss if there will be anything sexual involved or not. Some girls will just do OTC dinner and nothing else. I usually try to see a girl ITC a few times before bringing up OTC. Then I'll ask, "would you be comfortable meeting outside the club?" From there I might go as far as "would you be interested in meeting at a hotel" if she seems into it. It's definitely a feel thing, but if she's down for a hotel, I'd try to ask "what are you comfortable with" or "what are you not comfortable with" somewhere in the conversation. Generally I find out if she's okay with kissing long before OTC. The "comfortable with" question usually helps you figure out if she has a deal breaker without being too specific about certain acts. This has been my experience at least.

I had a dancer I liked go to prison and come back. Many get regular jobs and come back every once in awhile.

My deal breakers are generally: Kissing - I enjoy it, so if they don't kiss it's probably a deal breaker. Mutual Oral - Same deal. Hourly Rate - Hate the hourly model. Beyond that, I'm generally fine with everything else.

Have you seen the stuff that gets past? For sure it would be approved! :)

Updated numbers from dancers and other club met. Nude - 6 Not nude - 3 So the majority believe no panties equals nude dance price.

Well so far every dancer I have asked has said as long as she's not wearing panties, it's a nude dance.

Second or third time has been best for me as well.

Just be friendly and not a creep. It helps if you're friends with the other waitresses. At the club I frequent, you can buy off the waitress for $100/hr. That just gets her off the clock. Better to just offer her $100 for dinner. I've been to dinner with many waitresses. I would say they are more receptive to a dinner date than your average Hooters girl or Olive Garden girl. They see and acknowledge regulars more IMHO. Sex is a whole other thing though.

Are you sure you're reviewing the right club? Bucks Wild is BYOB. Sounds more like you went to Bucks Cabaret.

I went this year and prices were all over. Girls quoted anywhere from $20 on up.

I think there are many variables. The main one for me is if she came and sat down of her own accord or if you asked her to sit and chat with you. If she just came and sat with you, I feel that you're not obligated to tip her if you don't want to. If you ask her to come sit with you, a tip is definitely expected I believe. Sometimes I'll ask a girl to come sit with me and if I don't like her, I'll just say "it was nice to meet you" and tip her $5. There are many more variables, like is the club slow? Are you in VIP? Do you want her to stay with you? If the club is slow, but not totally dead, I'd tip $1/minute. If it's dead, I'd just feed her some $1 bills over the course of the conversation. If it's busy, you may be costing her money, so tip appropriately.

At some point we may discuss ITC or OTC. If she does neither, it doesn't bother me. If I like her, I will continue to see her.

12 I think. Sadly she moved to another city.

If she's always busy, I just try to see her another day. Or just avoid her in the future if she never makes time.

When my son went to a children's hospital I saw the hottest women I'd ever seen. Lots of young women go into nursing and want to work with children. The older, bitchy women work at regular hospitals, but can't cut it at a children's hospital.

Honestly I like have a relationship with a girl who is open to trying new things. The current girl I see the most is super open to going clubbing with me, so I still get to see new dancers and such.

Honestly I usually pay up front and I've screwed maybe 2-3 times out of a large number. Those 2-3 times were "first time meeting" girls who I had never interacted with before. Now I don't do anything ITC or OTC without an established relationship/trust.