OTC Conversion Rate

You’re a bigger man than I am, which is saying a lot.

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Depends who. I gotta be honest OTC would be easy if one were to ask every stripper. But most of us ain’t doing that. I only ask super hot girls that would you only see one in awhile. Sometimes I’ll ask just below that aswell just to see.

Of that group probably 70% are not interested. Most of that is ouright no’s they just don’t roll like that. But some of that she’ll admit to me if she knew me more or was a regular (which I never am to nobody nowadays) About 30% are open to it but then it comes to down to price. Some of which are fucking crazy. I would say maybe 10% I end up around. At this point if it’s exactly what I’m into, im more inclined to just overpay to make it happen because it’s pretty rare thing for me more and more. Tbh usually I actually just opt for a new batch of strip clubs adventure to see if I can do better. Im very grass is greener type guy. Sometimes I’m right but sometimes wrong then I’ll kick myself because I probably won’t be able to be back for a while.

As far as price goes. I feel like it has been try to keep 3-5 but it’s becoming more 4-6. Which gets me way pickier about the whole thing.Theres just this point where you go past 5 and my dick says “Wtf did that bitch say?!?!”and it goes soft.

Muddy, 10% is pretty darn good since you generally don't have time to become a regular. That's why I originally put in a three month window. For me, I probably won't even ask about OTC until I've seen her a couple of times. If the budget was $1K the number would be much higher. I know quite a few girls who won't do OTC for $500, but would definitely do it for $1K.

It goes without saying the OTC conversion rate will increase by orders of magnitude as the offered price increases. Here in S. Florida at $4-500. you should be at about 35-50% and over that the conversion rate will probably go as high as 65-75% as long as you’re not creepy. If you find yourself lagging the percentages I’m stating you need to take a hard look in the mirror and figure out what’s going wrong with you.

Samiel commented that he knows girls that won’t do OTC for $500, but would do it for $1K. I’ve been thinking about that issue lately. I typically spend a couple grand a month on LDs and an occasional repeat OTC with a regular, usually at the $500 price point. I have several “unicorn” strippers that have declined OTC, that I would be willing to pay $1K for OTC-GFE-FS. I’m considering making offers at the $1K level, and if any of them take me up on it, just limiting my LD activity to spend the same amount for that month. For my unicorns, I think they would be totally worth $1K, at least once. YOLO!

@azdd - I once had a super hot experience with a dancer ITC and got super horny and went to see another dancer at another club who I was super into but would never do anything extra since she had a bf. I was so horny that I offered her $1K, but she still declined. She was nice about it though, lol. It's funny that I hear a lot of dancers throwing around $1K in conversation with other dancers, but will actually do it for $300 no problem. I think the better looking dancers who have no problem making $1K a night are the ones who might have a very high OTC rate. I almost pulled the trigger on an absolute fantasy girl who wanted $1500/hr. I didn't bite, but I do regret it at times because I've only ever seen one other dancer who was better looking to me.

Of the girls I ask, 85% or so probably follow through. I can't comment on the non-FS percentages. I've never asked to take a stripper to dinner as a paid activity. If I'm asking, it's for sex but it's just implied (and universally understood) and I'm not specific about it when asking. I almost always stay under $400, I don't suspect my numbers would change much if I bumped it up to $500.

But that comes with some caveat's. By far most significantly is that I live in a very, very, extras heavy area. Many of these girls will fuck ITC, so OTC is much less of a stretch than other places. I also know the bartenders & the people who look after the rooms in the clubs I frequent. I know they tell new girls I'm a good/safe customer, which I'm sure helps. Lastly, I'm pretty selective. When I'm asking I usually know the answer already.

If I included girls I found hot & wanted to take home but didn't ask because I was confident they'd either not be interested or would have prices beyond what I'd be willing to pay, my percentage would plummet. Not all the way to 10% but maybe 50% at $500. I'd guess success rate would likely follow the dollar amount, as in $300 would get 30% all the way through to 750 getting 75% success rate. It would probably break away from the 1:1 relationship below/above those points though; I'm not sure it would ever get much above 75%-85% unless you start talking indecent proposal kinda cash and under $300 it'll start to trail off real quick unless you're targeting real bottom of the barrel girls.

One other note, around here at least, prices and answers are super seasonal. In the summer, when there aren't many tourists in the clubs and when a lot of the people who derive their income from tourism are cash-strapped, prices drop considerably and willingness increases considerably. Not only will no's become yes's but girls who wanted $400 will volunteer to take $300 to get you to say yes.

^ the other part of your comment about being a known quantity was probably the most important aspect of getting OTC in our region. Like yourself I also am quite friendly with many bartenders and managers, and usually a good word from them generally goes a long way towards establishing trust.

The known factor may be very large, and probably explains my low success rate. I travel for business and generally limit my clubbing to out of town when I have a room I can safely bring a lady back to. Because I’m not in the same areas very often it limits my ability as a repeat customer.

That being said, I too have heard some insane numbers quoted to me - one woman asked $1000 up front for the hour, another wanted $650. That’s after we’ve spent a couple of hundred in VIP. Hard pass. At that price point I can get my choice of escorts.

I usually pay about $400. Conversion rate is about 80%. Like someone else said, I don't usually ask unless I think it's a "yes" already. I have blown $500 on a couple of occasions for OTC which was a total waste of time and money. No passion, mechanical, no DFK. Have also had some amazing encounters which were unforgettable. Still prefer a $200 ITC which features everything except a bed and a view.

@samiel
"I almost pulled the trigger on an absolute fantasy girl who wanted $1500/hr"

A $200 meal is not 10x better than a $20 meal. The best $1500 slut in the world isn't 10x better than a good $150 one who knows what she's doing, in fact the expensive one is usually worse. She will be good at faking, because dudes who drop $1500 for an hour of pussy need to be fooled into thinking that they're amazing men who can please a "model" type girl. She probably also has more strict boundaries though not always.

But those who know what real passion is will appreciate the more subtle and sincere ways of the girl who likes/needs the money but who fucks for the excitement. Assuming you're well groomed, she finds you attractive, and that you are compatible. The money is on the table, but she wants to have at least one orgasm and would be very disappointed if you didn't cum. She knows how to fuck and she wants you to praise her for how she handles your dick. She loves taking good dick, not just your money.

The more you are willing to pay them, the less they will respect you, and the less they will want to, so, even if you can pull it off, she's not likely to be motivated. You tell a girl you will give her $1500 to do something with you that she will do with someone else for free, and the respect is gone. Women are more turned on by a man who says a firm but calm "no" than one who does everything she asks him to do.

@5footguy - ultimately you're most likely right about the $1500/hr girl. I think it's like seeing your favorite porn star and getting a chance to fuck her for $1500/hr. It probably wouldn't be great sex, but maybe you'd regret seizing the opportunity.

Right, I originally wrote but deleted something like, "the only time I'd pay that is for a celebrity so I could have bragging rights"!

Out of curiosity, are you guys pulling your OTC out of extras or non-extras clubs? I've always had more luck pulling girls out of NON-extras clubs -- but that's at least partially because I'm not interested in an escort-like OTC session (i.e., meet at the hotel for exactly an hour), and it seems like many girls at extras clubs either don't do OTC at all or else price it and time it like an escort service.

From non-extras clubs, typically I see a girl a few times before asking, and that definitely increases the chances of yes, IME. I'm also willing to back off from FS to BJ etc, and that too seems to get more yes's (and we tend to end up w/ FS anyway). I have had CFs where I regularly take them for drinks or lunch before or dinner after their shift, but I have never paid for that, it seems to be a side bonus of being a good regular.

^ I pull my OTC from all types of clubs, I’ve pulled from clubs like Vixens, and Scarlets, supposedly no extras possible, as well as known extras heavy clubs, we’ve had this convo in the past our styles are similar.

The girls I see OTC mostly come from extras clubs, given that most clubs in my area are extras clubs it's bound to turn out that way. But I don't see much difference in success rates from the clubs where extras are rare. Being choosy about who you ask and being a known quantity in the non-extras clubs are likely key parts of that result though. There's certainly girls who work at those clubs specifically because their personal boundaries don't include the sort of stuff that goes on in other clubs, identifying them and not asking them is important. There are plenty who work there for a variety of other reasons too, and they're more than happy to go home with customers who are discreet. Sorting them out isn't too hard, especially over the course of a few visits and some time sharing a few drinks and laughs.

I absolutely don't do the meet at a hotel for exactly an hour type thing either, just because a girl works at an extras club doesn't mean you'll get that sort of treatment. If anything, I see more of that from the non-extras club girls. At the extras clubs, doing a room is generally more about what you're doing than how long you're doing it for. You stop when the deed is done rather than when the clock strikes. In the non-extras clubs, they have no choice but to focus on time as there is really nothing else to signal conclusion. In my experience, the girls carry that with them.

I'd also add that that the whole grabbing dinner or drinks before or after work does seem to often be a precursor to OTC in the non-extras clubs, hinting at a desire to do that seems to be a way that many of those girls both signal their availability and vet customers. I very rarely see that with girls from the extras clubs, they might ask for a ride home to serve a similar purpose though.

@Subraman - Most of the clubs I go to are extras clubs, but most of the girls I've had FS OTC with I never did FS ITC. I think the more I've done ITC with a girl, the less I've done OTC with them for some reason. Maybe there are girls who generally do more ITC than OTC and vice versa?

"Being choosy about who you ask and being a known quantity in the non-extras clubs are likely key parts of that result though"

That's true to an extent, it's less common for me to develop CFs who I patronize almost exclusively in extras clubs, whereas in non-extras clubs I'm a serial CFer. I'm a known quantity both in the club and to the particular stripper as well

These computations for smex seem a bit convoluted for me.