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10 years ago
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shailynnThey never tell you what you need to know.
Phoenix/Tempe/Scottsdale hands down. I'm a native of the area and got spoiled. Trying other clubs out in other areas seems like a bit of a waste, though I have found a few gems here and there.
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10 years ago
I generally like my ladies to be at least a C cup, but with that being said, hot is hot, and I don't generally turn down a hottie.
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11 years ago
The most $500, the least $0
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11 years ago
In my experience, if they're looking for a dinner/date, they're either inexperienced or looking for a boyfriend and using OTC as an initial way in. This is especially the case if they're single, over 30 and have kids. They're looking for an exit, and you're not the only guy they're trying out.
Just my 2 cents.
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11 years ago
I once had a dancer tell me that she has no problem with extras, even full service, she just happens to be extremely selective about who can have it.
I guess I didn't make her list.
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11 years ago
It depends on the AMP. In SF, there are several VERY nice AMPs that will pretty much provide as close to a girlfriend as you will get without actually having a girlfriend for $140-$160 plus the house fee. The facilities are really nice, really clean, and really quiet and private, and the girls are really hot and will pretty much do what you want. I've also had similar experiences in the metro phoenix area in AZ.
No matter where you are, there are plenty of run down shitholes that are subpar experiences, but there are also usually at least one or two gems that are the gold standard in the service department. This is what reviews sites like eroticmp and rubmaps are for, to filter out the crap and find the good places.
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11 years ago
In my experience, they either don't do OTC, or the say they do, but are total flakes, or they are professionals and not only do OTC, but treat it like running a business that is customer satisfaction oriented and are not only reliable, but consistent, and priced fairly.
You really want to find the latter type of lady. The first two aren't worth it. They'll usually drop hints as you buy dances from them and once you ask, they tend to be very professional and direct about it just like they would be if they were conducting any other type of business transaction. To break in, it helps if they know you have enough cash to even do such a thing. Usually, once they know you have enough cash to do such a thing, they'd rather meet you outside the club and have you just pay them directly instead of go through splitting the cash with the club. They might have trepidation if you're a local, so it also helps if you're an out of towner and already have a hotel room that you're staying at.
For my own experience, I've had dancers that I met for the first time that day totally tap it when they got off shift, I've had dancers that I didn't tap until I'd known them for several months and I mentioned it in passing and they pursued, though in those instances they were more interested in having a relationship with me and saw it as an in, and I've had dancers hint and talk about it but otherwise be total flakes, as well as dancers that either just don't do it or are so selective that they won't with me. As is always the case, YMMV.
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11 years ago
Yes there are Asians in Oregon. According to rubmaps, Oregon is a bit uptight about extras at massage parlors, but there has been word that fly dragon spa on NE 42nd ave in Portland will give a HE if you get the right girl and are a regular.
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11 years ago
I'm pretty active over at rubmaps.com. It's generally pretty reliable to scope out a place where you will at least get a handjob. They also have a forums section which is a fucking goldmine of information.
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11 years ago
I like to get her in doggie, then slap her suns with cock before hammering it into her vag. That usually gets a pretty good reaction from her.
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11 years ago
For me, being pushy and wearing glitter and perfume are pretty big turn offs
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11 years ago
Men go to AMPs to get serviced. Reason wise, it's not much different than going to a strip club except that the service provided is different.
He's not going because he wants to step out on you, he's going because he wants service. If you're gonna get upset with that, then I imagine that you'll get upset with him jerking himself off, which is just self service. As far as your relationship with him goes from his vantage point, he's just getting service. I realize that this is a slippery slope, but as long as he's not emotionally stepping out in you and carrying in an affair, going to an amp or stripclub is largely about meeting physical needs.
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11 years ago
Rubmaps.com is pretty reliable
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11 years ago
I haven't done Viagra or cialis, but have tried the natural alternatives. My experience: if you're planning to go on a binge it def shortens the reload time, but otherwise, I'd not take it if I don't need too
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11 years ago
@knightwish every once in a while I'll pre-pay a small amount up front, but I don't make a habit of it.
My stance is that you don't prepay for dances out on the floor, it is therefore absurd to pre-pay for private dances. Like I said, usually once the lady knows you're good for it, if she has half a brain, she won't make pre-pay an issue. If she sees the cash and is politely told she has to earn it, and still puts up a fuss, there's a pretty high likelihood that she is a ROB.
With that being said, I don't have an issue pre-paying with a known good, or pre-paying the room fee if there is one, but if you've negotiated a tip for extra service beyond the room and normal lappers, don't prepay it until you're happy.
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11 years ago
@bigtimer23 most dancers don't trust the customer and would prefer to get paid first so they don't get ripped off by the customer, and if they're a ROB it's a chance to get more money for less effort.
I show them the cash and tell them they can have it after it has been earned, otherwise I'm not interested. If they're not a ROB, or not stupid, they get to work and earn it, if they still resist, you still have your cash, so cut it short and walk out.
They're there for the money, the vast majority of them will change their tune really fast when they sense they're about to lose your cash. The ones that don't, don't stay in the biz very long because they can't cut it.
Sometimes you have to teach them a lesson in how it works. Don't be an asshole about it, but do the rest of us a favor and don't be a pushover either.
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11 years ago
Never pay first
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11 years ago
I have 2 right now, but have had several dozen in the past. Nowadays, having a number for her only means she sees you as a regular and wants it to be easy to coordinate meeting up with her, nothing more, nothing less.
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11 years ago
@rh48hr - that's what I kind of suspected. Not all the ladies there do extras in vip, but given it's price I kind of expect it.
The christies in Phx used to be that way too. They had upstairs VIP, which was more private, but still open, then the CR, which is where the real itc action happened. There was a naughty corner back by the CR that the ladies used to use for their regulars until the club stuck a camera there, then the naughty corner moved to the little cove by the bar. One of the wall lights there in the corner was always out which made it hard to see what was going on, so despite the fact that it was right there by the bar, between the bright TVs at the bar and the wall light being out, you could do pretty much whatever you wanted as long as you weren't being super obvious about it and everybody else would largely be oblivious to it. I haven't been there in a few years so I don't really know how it now, but that was how it was when I went.
The Tempe christies kind of has the naughty wall over on the far side of the stage from the entry door. Quite a bit of higher mileage there, but no real extras. If your lady doesn't move you to that wall for your dances, you're not going to get much mileage. Just beware, some of the chairs there have a camera right above them pointing down at the chair.
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11 years ago
I prefer Saturday or Monday early-mid afternoons. It's a little slower, there are less people and the daytime ladies are generally still on duty on those days, so extras are easier to come by since it's slower and there is less management keeping an eye out.
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11 years ago
@Lone_Wolf - thanks. I've decided that I'm going to try to OTC with the more liberal one of the two ladies. I think she'll be down with it if she knows it'll stay between the two of us. I don't really want a girlfriend from either one, just more than hanging out at the club enjoying the company.
My hotel is close to hiliters, so I'll probably hit them up as well as bsc before I leave. Before I moved, I had a number of OTC encounters from Hiliters. I just hope they've kept the quality up since then.
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11 years ago
Never wait. It may be busy for a good reason, but you're better off finding alternates.
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11 years ago
@Lone_Wolf - it depends on the girl. I haven't been to the Phx christies since late 2010, so I can't say anything about what it's like now, but back in the day when I was hitting that place every week, there where extras to be had. I've never gotten extras at the Tempe one, mainly because I didn't start going there until after I moved out of state and the two ladies I'm friends with started working there. Whenever I'm in town I go to see them, but I'm otherwise a new face. Where I live now, the closest strip club is an hour away in San Francisco, and they're meh at best. I can get way more action at a local AMP, so that's what I've been doing most recently.
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11 years ago
@Dolfan - thanks for the feedback. Finally a straight talker. Please don't assume every new person is a troll or leach. There are in fact people who just signed up and haven't yet had a chance to write about anything.
For the record, I'm not trolling or leaching, just new to this site. I haven't written any reviews because I haven't been to a stripclub since I joined a couple weeks ago. My upcoming Phx trip will be the first time that I can write about anything new, and I intend to do so, so keep an eye out. I'm also pretty active over on rubmaps with a similar username.
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11 years ago
Christies in tempe