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5 years ago
-->"I have been threatened several times on phone calls and texts and on social media like Facebook."
Jack, the fact that this has happened not once, but several times to you, makes me wonder if you are being particularly indiscreet or choosing strippers with particularly crazy boyfriends or something!
I've never been threatened by a boyfriend. But I also never advise sleepwalking through life or not being situationally aware. I try to be aware of whether she has a bf, what their status is, how crazy he is, and to this day, at least with a brand new OTC girl, she typically doesn't even know the hotel, much less the room, until we walk into it.
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5 years ago
-->"I know that cell phone locations can be tracked but I assumed that the tracking software required permission of the phone owner. I'm probably naive!"
One way is he could install tracking software on her phone. I installed anti-theft software on my kids phones when they were younger -- and it twice resulted in us getting their lost phone back. But as kids they never quite put two and two together : if I could use the anti-theft software to see where the phone is, I could track them at any time :)
Beyond that, most carriers have some kind of family tracking plan that can be turned on by the account owner without permission of the phone holder. E.g., if the account owner turns on Smart Family by Verizon, now they know where you are, and the phone number of every incoming and outgoing text and call.
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5 years ago
-->"That’s the reason you never include personal or identifiable descriptions of your mongering, this has happened before and will happen again. Being smart means knowing how to keep your mouth shut or your fingers in this case. "
Yeah, graphic illustration about how you can kill your own golden goose. If you're not interested in protecting her so she doesn't get in trouble at the club, protect her so your awesome OTC doesn't dry up
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5 years ago
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LiwetIf she walks away smiling, you spent too much.
Following Raylan Givens logic, isn't it reasonable to conclude that NO ONE finds anything else worth complimenting on you?
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5 years ago
Yes, plenty of Asian strippers in SF. For many years Crazy Horse was known for it, often more than 50% of any lineup was Asian.
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5 years ago
Exactly Muddy. I'm strictly 7 and up, and only going w/ a 7 if I'm desperate. Otherwise, I'm happiest with a stripper who has passed the dushku limit
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5 years ago
On the one hand, there's no end to what cunts PLs can be. In this area, PLs were known to pull up the local review site on their phone, then go through it with a girl, all with a "look, how terrible that the guys write reviews" to curry favor with the strippers.
On the other hand, you have to take the hit for writing S***y's name. OF COURSE some cunty PL is going to use that info. Rookie mistake man!
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5 years ago
No way I'd ever pay for sex with a 6, no matter how great the sex is.
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5 years ago
Ya, I find twerking vulgar and trashy. That said, pretty much 100% of strippers do it at least a little bit these days.
I first realized that some of those moves are difficult, watching a bunch of girls try to teach this one stripper how to do it. Just watching that girl struggle to make her booty clap, all the flexible spine stuff, etc., gave me a bit of an appreciation of the skill. Still a giant turnoff lol
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5 years ago
Well played
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5 years ago
herb, I think we all agree that saying no to a random tip request is not being not-nice. But this is tuscl, and we have to deconstruct the very concept of "no", examine it from all angles, and argue about every other possible case :)
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5 years ago
I think I would be so frazzled and furious after a 3-hour drive through heavy traffic, my mood might be ruined for another SC trip. Three hours in traffic is pretty emotionally fatiguing -- although I particularly hate driving, maybe some of you guys would shrug it off
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5 years ago
Gawks,
Holy shit, 5 hours roundtrip of driving, to meet a stripper who you know has a kid and therefore might not make it... that is a decision I might not have made!
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5 years ago
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CristobalI give in to sin because you have to make this life livable
DTS: I'd read that at least some clubs make similar or even more on drinks... they sell a LOT of alcohol at some of these big clubs, and the markups are both outrageous and pure profit. Think about $400 for bottle service for some shit vodka like Ketel1, of which they split none of it with the strippers.
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5 years ago
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CristobalI give in to sin because you have to make this life livable
I am pretty much going to have at least one drink anyway, so my resentment at a mandatory drink is only theoretical, I would have bought it anyway. If it's the mandatory drinks are way marked up that it really irritates me.
In any case, I'm tipping the bartender. Partially, it's because, as others have said, that gets me continued better service in the future. And partly, it's because I just tip people like bartenders and waitresses, don't see any reason that club rules should impact that.
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5 years ago
-->"I'd say golf is probably the one that requires the most skill to master --- both physically and mentally. It takes many years to learn how to develop a great swing and one tiny error can doom you, and then you have to be mentally sharp to make the right kind of shots and learn how to withstand enormous stress when it comes down to the final holes to win or lose."
I was re-thinking my answers a bit, and realized it can be really difficult to separate skill (however you define it) from athleticism from the mental aspects. Golf is actually an example that makes things easier to see: unspeakably high skill level, and -- relative to most sports -- less athleticism required. So a mostly-skill sport, with very high skill requirements.
-->"I don't know much about gymnastics but I would substitute "skill" with "repetitive muscle memory". I honestly believe you could take any thin flexible female at age 10 and teach them how to be a really good gymnast if they practiced the same routines 300 times a day for 10 years."
I agree with you that you don't know much about gymnastics :) Part of the challenge is that if you've never participated in a sport, it can be difficult to assess what's going on. Muscle memory is an absolutely enormous factor in all sports, including golf. That doesn't mean there isn't also a huge amount of conscious skill in golf, or in gymnastics. In fact, the idea that great gymnasts can be built out of any 10-year-old girl is beyond laughable -- but it would be difficult to convince you of that in words, possibly. But the thing about gymnastics is, its incredibly high skill level is mixed in with athletic requirements that push the limits of human physiology. The level of explosive power developed is insane; just being able to perform many intermediate movements takes years of conditioning (if you tried them and were forced to hold the position, your tendons would tear).
-->"Boxing does need skill at the highest level but it really just comes down to genetics and how well you can take punishment. "
I suspect this is another case of something you haven't done, and may not fully understand what you're seeing. Boxing is the most high-skill sport I've done; the fact that you think Mike Tyson's success was based on good DNA to take blows means, again, you don't really understand what you're seeing. Don't get me wrong, like many great golfers, Tyson was a prodigy right from the beginning. But the level of skill seen, especially in the first part of his career when opponents could barely touch him, is practically inconceivable... switch to a boxer who is more of a counterpuncher, if you really understand what you're seeing, the skill level is mind boggling. So is the ability -- which is not based on just muscle memory or DNA -- to recognize a small gap of vulnerability in an opponent, and develop a strategy to exploit it.
AGain, though, I think it's easier to see the skill in golf, which isn't confounded with human-limit-stretching athletic requirements, than it is in gymnastics or boxing, which not only have those human-limit-stretching athletic requirements, but mental aspects around controlling fear, when a mistake means more than ending up in the sand trap.
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5 years ago
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gStephThe view from the other side of the room
Same as you Papi and Bavarian; navel piercings are practically the only piercing that makes a woman sexier to me (other than earlobes). Like I said, I often ask if she minds if I play with it, and just tend to my my hands there occasionally when she's in reverse cowgirl
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5 years ago
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gStephThe view from the other side of the room
A cute navel is cute. Not sure I'd write a loving paean to it, but I like touching it; sometimes I find myself absent-mindedly playing with it if she's giving me a lapdance in reverse cowgirl
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5 years ago
-->"and if you think you will be interested later, just let them know that YOU will find them later."
One of my favorite rants on StripperWeb was a girl complaining about customers saying "I'll find you later". The OP stripper is complaining that that gives the customer all the power -- HE will find HER, so he gets to choose. You can watch the thread as the girls are spinning themselves up, getting increasingly outraged that a customer would say "I'll find you later", and making up all kinds of lines to say back to take their power back; "Well, I'll probably be too busy later", etc. It was the most interesting display of low self esteem power dynamics, along with girls competing to be the peacock with the baddest attitude. And THAT is why I still love reading SW!
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5 years ago
For me, most athleticism is gymnastics and combat sports such as boxing and MMA.
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5 years ago
@bavarian: I have to admit that I've never seen either of those behaviors. I have run into my share of obnoxious, broken, fucked up strippers who were trying to ruin a customer's day. But at the clubs and shifts I go to, they're few and far between (slow shifts, low hustle), luckily. I might shift my attitude if I ran into that often
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5 years ago
Instead of texting her "$200 for an hour", I think it would have been classier to just send a picture of 10 $20 bills fanned out across a bed, next to a condom and some wet wipes
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5 years ago
Strippers love when you treat them like filthy whores. I can't imagine her not responding to that :) :)
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5 years ago
Bav-->"That’s it. Don’t even bother making up an excuse. "
Agree with this part, Bav
Ish-->"It's not difficult or complex, but I do think it's important to be respectful and somewhat kind. Because you're rejecting a person, and specifically a woman based most likely on her appearance.
That's a hair more complex than choosing one salsa over another at the supermarket. And yeah, I get that rejection is part of the job it takes only an extra second or two to be considerate."
Very strongly agree with this.
Bav-->"They don’t care and are going to leave you talking mid sentence."
This part I don't agree with as much, Bav; for me you've over-rotated a bit. You might have been using hyperbole, but if not, I've never had a stripper leave me mid-sentence.
I think to the extent there's disagreement here, it's that some PLs -- often those who seek variety and have never known even a single stripper well -- seem to think strippers are coin-operated automatons who have no feelings about anything. The girls are effected by their success, just like you would be; the newer girls get their feelings hurt, the super jaded girls get irritated, etc. It might not be about YOU, it might be hurt feelings that four customer/walking-wallets turned them down in a row. But I think it's always worth saying things with a smile, being respectful, basically treating her like a person. But I'm firm and clear about my intentions, relatively quickly but without rudely waving her off or cutting her off mid-sentence
They don’t care and are going to leave you talking mid sentence.
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5 years ago
-->"In a slower or smaller club, yes girls are more likely to compare notes and may not approach you if somebody thinks you’re an asshole. "
I'm guessing you're addressing Rick, who takes the waving off approach. But in the case of "polite no" to hustlers, I don't think it has the slightest negative impact, even in small clubs. In fact, IME all the strippers know who the vultures are, and politely turning down those vultures has not ever impacted my experience negatively. Even if a great stripper is friends with a hustler, a stripper ALWAYS knows her friend is a hustler and understands why some guys don't bite. Does this match w/ your experience?