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5 years ago
In other news, it's Passive-Aggressive Day on TUSCL. Total coincidence!
:) :)
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
rickflective IMO
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
-->"I've heard of guys greeting escorts in public like friends when they were engaging in sexual activity just a few days prior. This seems very weird and inappropriate. If I caught her gaze, I would simply wave and wink and move on with my day. No need for idle chit-chat."
See, I don't think chit-chatting with strippers or escorts in public is weird or inappropriate -- that feels like a personal hangup you have, that you shouldn't project on the rest of us. My one and only concern about a random run-in with a stripper is discretion -- maybe her mom or sister or boyfriend are right around the corner, where I can't see them, and she doesn't want to mix her worlds. For discretion reasons, I wouldn't acknowledge a stripper -- not even a wave, which is indiscreet and could get her in trouble. But if she greets me and indicates it's okay, fuck yes, hugs and chit chat all around. Weird and inappropriate not to -- I mean, you just had sex, and she's a real person not some sex doll, of course you treat her like a person and talk.
Just an alternative view
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
-->"I guess for those of you engaging in OTC activities, then greeting each other in public is a normal thing. I would only do it if the girl told me explicitly that it was cool with her to act like friends in public."
I wasn't reacting to your "greeting in public thing". I'm with you -- don't greet or acknowledge her, you have no idea who is around her (and she has no idea who is around you). Even an OTC girl, if I just happened to run into her not as part of an OTC, I'd ignore her unless she said hi first. Let's not fuck up each others' lives, is a good rule to live by
Your statement about stripper/customer relationships belonging in the club only was a bit overly broad. But I agree not to greet a stripper in public during a casual run-in.
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CC99Say yes to the sex industry!
No one likes a show off CC :)
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
-->"Stripper-client relationship should only exist inside the fantasy confines of the club"
VH, if you haven't tried OTC, you're missing out on one of the most fun aspects of SCing. If you've decided that OTC isn't for you, I respect that decision. But stripper-client relationship is not limited to the club by any stretch of the imagination, nor is there any ethical or other imperative that it should be that way. OTC FTW :)
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
I follow the Ish method. One of my buddies who SCs with me often, is religious and goes to church. From what I can tell, he handles this by basically setting up the proverbial "Chinese wall", and not trying to reconcile the two. I have a grudging admiration for that approach -- he's not going to worry about whether they're compatible or try to rationalize one in the context of the other, so religious guy is nowhere in sight when we're headed to the club. Not that a little introspection is a bad thing, but in this case, could lead to him not going to the club anymore (or to church)
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
Rick, I think you're minimizing the social context here. I mean, church vs strip club is not like, north side of the street vs south side of the street, where it doesn't make sense you'd treat people differently.
Church social context is about ethics (or the illusion thereof), and has a very strong social bonding component built around honesty and caring (or the illusion thereof). This is your tribe.
From the moment you walk into a strip club, the atmosphere is more about how everyone can get over on you. From parking fees to overpriced fake dancer drinks to the DJ cutting off songs so there's really no such thing as a 2-for-1, to strippers running myriad hustles on customers (and vice versa), this is not your tribe. This is a group of people who have something you want, and if you let them, will trick you into giving them all your money without letting you have it -- and, of course, vice versa.
Anyway, of course you're going to treat someone of your tribe differently than someone who is from a group that is known to use manipulation of feelings and sympathy to get help.
-->"What if you saw a girl from the club in church?"
I don't go to church, but even if I did, I don't need to meet a stripper in church to treat her differently. Once I get an ATF and we transition to something more like an arrangement, I treat her with an arrangement''s looser exchanges (as long as she treats me the same).
Rick likes to keep the stripper/client relationship more strict, so he never gets to this point, and the difference between church girl and stripper remains farther apart
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5 years ago
Would not.
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5 years ago
-->"Right, having the ignorance pointed out won’t prompt any self reflection because it’s intentional."
"You can wake a sleeping man, but not one who is pretending to sleep"
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rickthelionStraight outta tha NC, comin' atcha with an AK ready to steal your daughter. ROAR!!!
The fact that you guys drink your whiskey on the rocks bums me out man. Bums me out. I think we have to up-rick the entire group
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rickthelionStraight outta tha NC, comin' atcha with an AK ready to steal your daughter. ROAR!!!
Dear diary: today, I made progress towards achieving the vaunted status of Nearly Rick
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founderslip a dollar in her g-string for me
Thank you founder, much appreciated
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5 years ago
It's obviously someone's troll account. With all the political discussions, political troll accounts were bound to pop up. Like icey, designed to be maximally abrasive and distracting. No real person is going to be those cringey "deplorables" etc drums for so long... again, the cringe factor is a page out of icey's book
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rickthelionStraight outta tha NC, comin' atcha with an AK ready to steal your daughter. ROAR!!!
Anyway, I nominate gin rickey as the official "rick" cocktail.
Bonus: every female who I've given a try of my gin rickey, has loved it (although I've never ordered one in a strip club)
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rickthelionStraight outta tha NC, comin' atcha with an AK ready to steal your daughter. ROAR!!!
I'm not a huge cocktail guy; in most cases, I'd rather bump up the quality of the liquor and drink it straight or with a few drops of water.
Gin is one of the exceptions. I like martinis, of course. When I want something lighter, I go with a 50/50 martini. Also sometimes get gin rickey, gin & tonic, and negronis.
Whiskey I usually like straight, but do sometimes get classic whiskey drinks -- sazerac, manhattan, old fashioned, etc
Rum I only savor straight up or with a little water - high end rum is a huge pleasure of mine
Vodka is only worth slamming shots
Tequila, slam shots if it's mid-range stuff, or sip the high end stuff
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5 years ago
Interesting story for you! Although I'll apologize in advance that I could be messing up some details. Okay, remember when I said:
-->" In fact, the one time in the early 2000s that the police decided to test this, and made a couple of arrests, the DA refused to prosecute,"
Given that there was no police presence from 1996 forward, why did they suddenly freak out and do some busts in 2004 (I think it was?). Answer is, because the DA at the time was refusing to press for the death penalty, and when an SF police officer was gunned down and that DA refused to go after the death penalty ... and the law enforcement community was absolutely outraged. In an attempt to pressure and embarrass the DA, the cops went into the clubs and made some busts. The DA dropped all charges, and it turned the the people of SF didn't care. Thus ended the one SF LE prostitution busts for ITC action in the clubs, since 1996
DA at the time? Kamala Harris
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Yeah, I think SF for most people, is probably like Vegas is for me: if you are an insider, I'm sure it's fun clubbing there. But if you aren't a regular and don't know how to work the system, it's not going to be a great place to go clubbing. Same reason I'm always happy to pass on clubbing in vegas
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5 years ago
-->"Also, trying to put someone on the defensive by expecting that they “explain themselves” seems to happen at times too. It may seem odd in that it’s the opposite of showing charm but it can be a deliberate manipulative tactic in general and it might be used in the club biz at times."
Strongly agree Huntsman. Hell, look at in general how many guys switch clubs rather than risk running into a CF whom they've dropped -- intimidation is a proven good tactic. Get the customer on the defensive, make him want to prove he's not a bad guy or get him worried that he's risking some kind of confrontation, many SC customers will fall in line, I'd bet
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I should add that this is the one reason is lament the state of SF clubs. Whereas the rest of you are dealing with extras clubs that to some extent or other are dodging LE action and political attention, in SF it's a free pass. This city should have amazing clubs -- and, in fact, it did, 20 years ago.
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ski, the DA didn't say anything about any change regarding strip clubs; the only place there was ever mention of a change in policy towards strip clubs is here on tuscl. I'm just pointing out that the DA's statement about "quality-of-life" crimes isn't about strip clubs -- strip clubs have been hands off for years. It's about public urination and the like
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Guys, the DA not prosecuting ITC activities is nothing new. It has been that way for 23 years and counting. Extras are available at most non-alcohol clubs. The alcohol clubs will continue to be no-extras regardless of what the prosecutor does, because they're not scared of the prosecutor, they're scared of ABC pulling their liquor license. Not prosecuting ITC is not any sort of change. The state of SF clubs is not due to LE or the DA. In fact, the one time in the early 2000s that the police decided to test this, and made a couple of arrests, the DA refused to prosecute, and it's been hands-off ever since.
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5 years ago
If rickthelion wasn't sleeping on the job again, he would have come up with that joke
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5 years ago
On the rick scale, from -5 (not at all rick) to +5 (so very rick), I rate this very unrick.
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ChesterCheetahDedicating my life to finding out Eliza-icees stripperweb handle
I'm an advocate of "smile, say hi, tell her you're with Porsche tonight but it was really nice seeing her", and move on . If YOU act like you did something wrong, well, the girls can smell fear, intimidate, and bitch-itude. I have been where you are OP, where it felt like it was some huge issue, like seeing your ex-girlfriend who doesn't realize she's your ex- yet. Be nice, smile, exchange pleasantries, move on as if nothing is wrong... because nothing is.
It is tougher if you made her a "stripper baby" -- I know, since I do that with my ATFs -- but you will be absolutely shocked how normal everything is if you just move with calm confidence