Comments by Papi_Chulo (page 19)

I’m a pasty-white Hispanic guy and look more white/European than Hispanic/Latino – heck many Hispanics usually think I’m Anglo when they first-see-me and will try to speak in English to me even-though they can barely speak English themselves – there’s been plenty of times I’ve been in a SoFlo mixed-club which are almost all non-English-speaking Cubanas and I’ve spent the whole visit interacting w/ the Cubanas all-along never speaking a word of Spanish to them although I’m fully-fluent in Spanish but they often don’t even ask me if I speak Spanish and all along they just try to speak to me in their limited/almost-non-existent English; and I just play along. As many on here know – my pref is heavily for thick-ebony-dancers – throughout my SCing-career I’ve mostly hit all-black-clubs where I will usually turn-down non-thick ebonies (unless there aren’t any/many thick-ones). I’ve actually had nice-looking ebony-dancers ask me why I don’t get dances from them – as I’ve often posted I’m a variety-guy in terms of liking to get w/ as many dancers as I can on a visit *but* as long as they are my type (thick ebonies) – thus I’ve been in black-clubs where the non-thick dancers see me getting dances one after the other but I don’t get any from them and they seem to feel rejected/left-out (from my wallet) – a couple of years ago I had a very-pretty young (b/w 19 and 22) light-skinned Huckstable-looking ebony dancer come over to me asking me why I wouldn’t get dances from her – I had turned-her-down earlier-in-the-visit and she had seen me get w/ multiple dancers after that so she came back to where I was and point-blank told me I made her feel as if there was something wrong w/ her b/c I turned her down while I got w/ multiple other dancers (this was a dayshift visit in a small-black-club so there were only about a dozen-dancers or so and dances were out on the floor so it was obvious who was buying and from whom) – anyway I do think she was genuinely confused as to why I didn’t get dances from her b/c again she was the type “a whiteguy would actually go for” (she was young; pretty; slim; light-skinned; well-spoken; nice-natural-hair; etc) – anyway I just told her I was into the thick girls (and she just walked away w/ a bit of a dejected look in her face b/c it wasn’t a big-$$$-making club). I’ve also had dark-skinned thick-ebony-dancers in black-clubs not approach me b/c according to them they thought I wouldn’t go for them (they’d eventually approach me later in the visit, or sometimes on a different visit, after they had seen my pervy-white-hands be all over some thick-chocolate). Also – although rare – I’ve been in mostly black-clubs where there happened to be a white-dancer and they would make a beeline for me as soon as I walked-in I guess thinking that I may have unknowingly walked into a mostly black club and that I would be happy/relieved there were some white dancers there.

As has been posted; over-the-years there have been other AA TUSCLers that have posted similar comments – I’ve also heard this happening in society-in-general where black-folks dating a white-person was seen as “betraying the race”, more-so black-men dating white-women (I’ve heard reports of black-women saying there is a lack of “suitable black men” such as college-educated available black-men in-part given to how many marriage-age young-black-men are incarcerated or o/w have some kinda issue/record w/ the law). “… JBHE has consistently documented the fact that black women hold a large lead over black men in almost every facet of higher education. Black women currently earn about two thirds of all African-American bachelor's degree awards, 70 percent of all master's degrees, and more than 60 percent of all doctorates. Black women also hold a majority of all African-American enrollments in law, medical, and dental schools …” https://www.jbhe.com/news_views/51_gendergap_universities.html As has been posted; AA-dancers are often at a disadvantage in a mixed-club – reality is that “in general” different-cultures are typically/generally attracted to different traits – e.g. a big-booty thick-ebony can often be the-queen-bee in an urban-club with the skinny-AAs getting much less love/rained-on; and the reverse can often be the case in a mixed-club w/ majority white custies where the big-booty thick-ebony can have a hard-time in a mixed mostly white club; it comes down to preference in what different custies like. w.r.t. why AA-dancers would like to work in mixed-clubs – IMO that’s not too-hard to understand IMO: + although not universal; the mixed-clubs are often the better-$$$ clubs w/ more custies willing to spend more $$$ - IME most urban-clubs tend to be small dive clubs and many urban-SCs are often treated as pseudo nightclubs to hang-out-at but not get dances nor VIPs (again not universal but kinda my general-experience) + there are many AA-dancers that actually wanna avoid black-clubs or dives for the same reasons white-people may wanna avoid them; to avoid possible-drama which can often include drama w/ other dancers I think AA-dancers using the race-card is usually just part of the various hustles dancers use to get custies to spend on them – I think it’s mostly business vs them genuinely thinking/feeling it’s about race – hell, I’ve seen plenty of examples where AA-dancers avoid AA-custies and prefer to hit up the white-custies thinking they’ll either have/spend more $$$ or easier to deal with.

AFAIK the club has always offered 2-for-1s not 2-for-$40 - with lap-dances being $25 one gets 2 LDs for $25 during the special - perhaps it's changed but first I hear of a 2-for-$40 club-special

When I was last there a couple of times in 2021 on nightshift the club was pretty-full especially on Fr/Sat eves – the crowd (and dancers) seemed mostly recent Cubanito/Cubanita arrivals and it was mostly a “hanging out” environment kinda like a nightclub - seemed most custies were there to hang-out and socialize vs “getting their freak on” either b/c they didn’t wanna spend or couldn’t afford to spend (since again the vibe felt/looked like mostly young recent-arrivals (a few years or less)). Perhaps this club has fallen-out-of-favor w/ its typical clientele – perhaps b/c of the cover-charge raise; or some other club is now the go-to for the clientele.

Yeah – for w/e reason, at some point South Beach (SoBe) became the go-to party-spot for young-black-people. When I was in m late-teens in the late-80s SoBe was pretty-rundown and Miami-Beach was mostly a retirement-community – back-then there was still some partying in SoBe and nightclubs and such, but SoBe was nowhere-near what it is today in terms of popularity and international-recognition. Sometime in the mid to late 90s there started being heavy-investment in SoBe and it started to become hip/popular again and many stars started buying-homes and/or moving to Miami/SoBe giving SoBe a lot of PR as the hip-place to be. I moved from Miami to Dallas in 2000 so IDK when SoBe started becoming a mecca for young-black-people but I do recall reports of young-black-people flocking to SoBe in-the-early 2000s particularly during Memorial-Day-Weekend which was also referred to as Urban Beach Week. I moved back to Miami in 2010 and from 2011 till 2019 I used to hangout in SoBe during Memorial Day Weekend and during Spring Break– it was mostly chill but when nighttime came that is when there were problems. During the day it was a mixed-crowd but at night it became mostly-AA – seemed most people that wanted to enjoy SoBe knew to enjoy-it during the day and avoid late-night (mostly Ocean-Drive though). As has been posted – these are not “unruly college kids” – the ones causing mayhem are mostly the same kinda people that cause mayhem in the inner-city. Miami has always had some very-rough/high-crime areas. There used to be a tv-show on cable called “The First 48” which was a reality tv-show that followed homicide-detectives around the country solving murder-cases and a good # of the episodes were based in Miami often around an infamous area of Miami called “The Pork and Beans projects” (street name) – that high-ass-crime hood-area is about 10-miles from SoBe (and there are some hoods even closer). The people that make the Miami hood-areas so dangerous are often the ones causing issues in SoBe (as well as hoodsters from outside of SoFlo) – the Ocean-Drive area of SoBe (street that is parallel to the beach in SoBe) is a great place to hang w/o having to spend any $$$ - one has the beach which is free plus there is a great party-atmosphere on Ocean-Drive where there are a lot of open-air bars-and-restaurants w/ tons of young-people walking up-and-down Ocean-Drive which is closed-off to car-traffic during peak-times (holiday weekends; Spring Break etc) – Ocean-Drive is filled w/ young-people and hot-chicks walking-around wearing-barely-anything (tiny bikinis/g-strings etc). So there is the combo of: 1) SoBe seems to have become the designated party-area for AAs 2) it’s basically free to party/hangout there – it’s a public-event on public-property so it’s not as if anyone (hoodrats) can be denied access 3) SoBe being super-tourist heavy and tourist$ being the biggest economic lifeline for the city; over the last 2-decades the city had been pretty-laxxed w.r.t. letting people have a good-time and Miami Beach PD was def friendlier and more accommodating than the rest of SoFlo – but obviously the thug/criminal element tends to also “benefit” from this lax-policy The above means that along w/ regular-people that wanna come down and just enjoy a good-vibe for a few-days; the above also attracts the hood/thug element b/c who doesn’t like a huge-party where it’s pretty-much free w/ tons of hot-babes hanging-out wearing barely-anything and going a bit-crazy letting-loose while on vacation (it’s kina a cheaper/younger version of Mardi Gras). As comedian Chris Rock once put-it – “every time black people wanna have a good time niggaz fuck it up”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3PJF0YE-x4 And over the past years when there have been the most issues w/ crime-and-violence and the city/business-owners have tried to put measures-in-place; the wokes and race-baiters immediately start accusing the city of “racist policies” being implemented just b/c black-people are there.

"... Any chance this may have been caused by lifting stripers over 175 lbs ..." yeah – I guess all those years of me messing-around w/ all those big-booty thick-ebony-dancers eventually took its toll – guess I wasn’t built for that kinda punishment/wear-and-tear

Nice write-up - thanks for sharing your adventures 👍 It has probably been asked b/f but I forgot - how do you communicate in Colombia - is your Spanish decent?

Strip-clubbing is by-far not-a-perfect-science and w/ experience (or tuscl) most of us learn to abide by the “unwritten strip-club-rules”. Yeah – the best way would be for dancers to approach *and* ask if we’d like company but as has been mentioned these girls are sales-people and beyond being on-straight-commission they are usually in-the-red walking into-the-club via the various dancer-fees they have to pay usually upfront b/f they’ve ever sold a dance for the shift – so can’t blame the ones that are “extra-proactive” especially in clubs were making-$$$ may not be as easy for various-reasons – as others have mentioned, not only does a dancer have to convince the custy to spend $$$ on-her; but she’s also competing against possibly dozens-of-other-dancers that may be pushier than her and not abide by “proper etiquette”. Being a variety-PL I’m mostly a yay/nay type PL – i.e. I don’t need a dancer to “convince me” to get a dance (talk me up) – it’s rare I turn a dancer down if I’m ready to get dances and she’s my type – and I don’t mind the wanna-dance line and often prefer it since that is what I’m there for and not really there for cheap-talk w/ someone I usually have little-in-common-with (the few interesting convos I sometimes have are often w/ other custies but it’s not a common-thing) – if she’s my type and she’s trying to talk-me-up, I don’t mind and sometimes enjoy the convo; but due to my variety/dancer-sampling M.O. I often get antsy if she just keeps on talking-and-talking especially if the convo is not that engaging and I mainly just wanna get m PL-hands on-her. Thus – there isn’t a perfect-solution in strip-club-biazarro-world; just mainly “unwritten rules” – I actually think dancers get more upset investing a long- period-of-time talking-up a PL for him to say no, vs being turned-down upfront. I try to strike a somewhat happy-medium – my M.O. is to let her talk-me-up from 2 to 5 minutes b/f telling her something along the lines of “I don’t wanna waste your time but I just wanna watch the stage for a while and not getting any dances for now” – they usually take the hint that-really-means “I’m not interested” but at least I gave them a shot for a couple-of-minutes vs telling them “no” right-off-the-bat.

I don’t think DR is too-good w.r.t. strip-clubs – places where there is a lot of prostitution, strip-clubs usually can’t compete. Check out InternationalSexGuide.com – that site offers more info on overall-mongering beyond strip-clubs.

Yeah - I'm guessing/wondering these two guys may have been affiliated with the club (employees; etc)?

IDK the details but usually these “packages” don’t include the dancer’s time – i.e. that “one hour of VIP” they are offering I’d doubt it includes the dancer and likely they’re just waving some kinda house-fee buy IDK for sure. As @Subra posted; it’s a lot to commit upfront “sight unseen” especially if one has never been to that club before and also if one is not able to split-up-cost among a # of people – IME most club “packages” are a good deal for the club and not-too-good-a-deal for the custy – if having your own booth, hookah, etc, is important for you having a good-time, then maybe – but most SCers prefer to pay-as-they-go and are usually there to get their grope-and-grind on vs paying a premium for things they are not really there for – for me I find it better to be in control of what I’m spending and what I’m spending it on vs hand that control over to the club and ”their package”. Also – AFAIK Vegas clubs are not big on extras which may be another factor why paying for an expensive package may not be worth it unless one is into the flashy-party thing.

@jack Is this your first time in Bangkok? Part of me thinks you've posted about being there in the past but I can't recall. You should write an article similar to the one @Garfield84 recently wrote w.r.t. his FKK trip.

What happens in a strip-club stays in a strip-club. One needs to know the difference b/w the-real-world and strip-club-fantasy-world and not get the two confused/intermingled. Don’t go looking for anything real in a strip-club – strip-clubs are just meant for entertainment – similar to watching a movie, strip-clubs are mostly make-believe. When one is in a strip-club one is on their-turf and one needs to act accordingly and adjust to the environment one is in which in the case of strip-clubs it is different than almost any other environment the avg person is used-to – strip-clubs have their set of “unwritten rules” one learns w/ experience and it’s futile to try and get strip-clubs to be/act the way one thinks they should be. If you want a girlfriend, or wanna find love, don’t go looking for that in a strip-club – the dancers are there to do their job and make-a-living – they are not there to find a boyfriend and one should respect their privacy – if you can’t find love/a-girlfriend in the real-world don’t expect to find one in a strip-club – 99% of guys that think the found-love/can-find-love in a strip-club end-up being taken-advantage-of.

Very generic review that can pretty-much be written from having read previous reviews either on TUSCL or on the web - to me it reads made-up/fake-review

^ since trannies *are* women

Given the current environment one should be concerned it's only a matter of time b/f clubs are forced to hire trannies in the name of "equity" and custies beat over-the-head as homophobic for refusing to get dances with trannies.

There are clubs that have a "tranny night" so it's not as if they are trying to trick custies, or trannies trying to fly under the radar - of course it begs to wonder if custies are made aware of this when they visit (sign in the club; being told at the door; etc). I assume there may be some trannies flying under the radar where the club doesn't know but one would assume that's a fairly uncommon thing especially in full-nude clubs like those in SoFlo where dancers are required to go full-nude on stage.

"Caught" has the connotation of doing extras in a club where it's not allowed - generally, extras don't come by too-easily in clubs where "they're not allowed" so usually u won't get "caught" bc IME unlikely the situation will present itself. In clubs where extras are allowed the worst that happens is someone walking-in not knowing the room/booth was occupied but even then in most-extras clubs people have enough sense to know not to barge into a booth that has the curtain-drawn - i.e. in extras-clubs one doesn't really get "caught" unless one is trying to fuck "outside the designated areas" such as in the regular lap-dance room/area and thus cutting the club out of their VIP hou$e-fee. The only time I recall having an issue with staff w.r.t. what a dancer was doing was about 8 or 10 years ago at a Miami black-dive where the ebony-dancer for w/e reason decided to start making-out with me while we were doing a string of floor-dances - the manager came over and said something to her which I didn't hear - after we were done with the dances she told me he was fining-her for kissing a customer - not exactly sure what his reasoning was.

Yeah - this is likely more of a jilted-lover situation vs him thinking it was a loan - common-sense would tell a person that if u have to "lend" a person that much $$$ and over a period of time, that such person would not be in a position to pay you back if they were in that position to begin with. The "loan" thing is probably the only card he has to play to get back at her.

This is at best a stupid post - can't you just pay for a stupid-dance and find out for yourself. But decent-chance there may be an ulterior-motive behind this stupid-post - either trying to promote the dancer-in-question - or an S.O. trying to find out what she does - or another reason.

I like the idea of having a quick/easy/visible button to report a club-closure. Not a must-have but: 1) TUSCL can PM you if it detects you've reviewed the club in the past and the club has been reported closed 2) Have a separate TUSCL page only listing the clubs that have been closed in the last 18 months (and sorted by city) Not a must-have function but may add some value if it doesn't take a lot of work.

In most clubs early-eve is not gonna have the most/best talent - depending on how late the club closes the earlier one gets there the less dancers - not uncommon for less attractive girls to get to a club earlier before-the-competition/hotter-girls - the hotter dancers can usually sell dances easier and can afford to get to the club later (although this club seems to close fairly-early).

There are clubs in the US I avoid hitting on weekend nights bc it's too frenetic to where I feel it affects the ROI - there are pros and cons to hitting clubs at different times/days and after one has heen mongering for a while often times one starts avoiding the busy-times (assuming the club is still worthwhile on less-busy-times).

When I first ran into TUSCL I was put-off by having to be VIP to read reviews – thus I put off becoming a member for a couple-of-years whenever I was Googling for strip-club-info and TUSCL would come up in the searches. At one point I was gonna travel to another state and wanted club info thus finally decided to become a member but at the time I paid for VIP since back then there was a lifetime membership VIP option and at the time I wasn’t interested in writing reviews. Reality is TUSCL is a small niche website and has different needs to keep it successfully running and worthwhile/helpful to PLs. As the great John F Kennedy once said - "Ask not what TUSCL can do for you but what you can do for TUSCL "

If one enjoys reading informative reviews; then one should help out – reviews don’t pop out of thin air – others took the time and effort to write them – this topic was recently discussed in another recent thread: https://app.tuscl.net/discussion/82045