Comments by Papi_Chulo (page 18)

Don't expect proper customer-service in Miami; it's more of the exception than the norm (lots of shitty-people here) - next time in town come in with that expectation so u won't be as disappointed/taken-aback - and taking one's business someplace else often doesn't help (it's endemic) - it is what it is.

“… I really wish some of the people who have no familiarity with the clubs near me would stop approving reviews for around here. There's a bunch that are obvious fakes, they're well written reviews, but if you're familiar with the club you can tell the reviewer has never been in there and they're either just bullshiting or regurgitating …” That’s a good point – but there are two-sides to the coin. IMO a review should be written from the POV of someone who’s never been there; and the same kinda applies to adjudicating – I’ve noticed I sometimes approve reviews of clubs that are missing some pertinent info b/c I happen to be very-familiar w/ the club and I don’t notice the review is missing important info b/c I know the club very-well – whereas if it’s a club I’m not too-familiar w/, it’s easier for me to notice important details missing (b/c IDK those details). So there are pros and cons to only adjudicating reviews of clubs one is familiar with; and IMO more cons than pros: 1) will take longer for reviews to get approved especially for less-popular clubs 2) there are some clubs that have a “little TUSCL mafia” – e.g. these are clubs that are very popular and get reviewed a lot by the same reviewers for whom that is their home-club per se and the one they visit most if not the only club they visit (e.g. Playhouse in Burlington, NJ; etc) – for some of these clubs the bulk of the reviews are from club-regulars – they know the club like the back-of-their-hand and many hate having to give club details b/c in their minds “everyone knows the club details”

I haven’t looked at the review-guidelines in years – I think they can/should be updated and perhaps @Founder should create a thread asking for input on basic-guidelines that are simple but sufficient for an adequate review since we are the ones writing reviews and adjudicating reviews and many on here have done plenty of both for years. It would also be helpful to provide some good sample-reviews for newbies to go by. When I first read the review-guidelines years ago I think it was too formulaic and it placed too-much emphasis on layout-details; subsequently many reviewers would repeat the layout review-after-review while leaving-out more important details – IMO the more details “usually” the better (but def not alwas) – thus IMO there should be “levels” of details w/ certain details being more of a requirement and other details more like “nice to have”: IMO when I read a review of a club – I should be able to: 1) have a good/decent understanding of the typical mileage available 2) be able to have a reasonable understanding of the typical dancers available (looks; ages; ethnicities; etc) 3) have an understanding of the costs (this is in part helpful in not getting ripped-off/overcharged) IMO these are the basic-parameters most SCers take into-account when looking for a club to visit – no-one needs to know where the bar-area or the bathroom is in order to make a decision on which club to visit – thus layout details are somewhat helpful but often times make reviews more cumbersome to read and write – there are some layout-details that are helpful such as if parking is an issue; or seating inside is at a premium; or more-so a description of the dance-area and/or VIP-area in terms of privacy and/or comfort – but even then I’ve never rejected a review b/c it didn’t offer any layout info (again some layout info is helpful but most of it is unnecessary yet a lot of reviews describe things like where the bar and bathroom is located but don’t describe the dancer-crew or prices but yet the reviewer thinks he’s providing details). I *do* agree that having to repeat details such as prices/mileage/etc is somewhat overkill – I think it’d be best to have a separate way of capturing club-details for those that want/like to provide that info and let reviews be mainly about the experience (current format for capturing some club details IMO is not too practical/flexible).

I only have 2 CCs that I've had for years - I'm not a big-traveler thus never really bothered to find the absolutely best rewards-cards although I can see their value and *have* used rewards-points in the past - I currently only have a Chase Freedom that seems alright w.r.t. rewards and also have a Discover Card - the nice thing about the Discover Card is that I think one gets a good deal on Amazon when using Discover points in particular and I do a fair-amount of Amazon shopping. Some people that are heavy-travelers seem to pay-up for certain cards that have an annual-fee but very-good-rewards and it's worth it to them given the amount of traveling they do per year.

A "tour" is for the dancer's/club's benefit; not for the custy's benefit; analogous to a car-salesman at a car-dealer that insists on showing u all the bells-and-whistles of a particular model - it's all just to get u to buy or make-you-feel obligated to buy bc "they were so nice to show you around". If one is inexperienced then usually better to turn-down the tour bc again it's a sales-tactic to pressure you to buy and why almost-every-time after a "tour" u get pressured to buy an expensive room. This club in particular IMO has turned into a touri$t-trap ((like many Miami clubs) where IMO inexperienced SCers or those unfamiliar w/ the club need to be ware bc u can get bamboozled out of big-$$$.

I think you got taken/overcharged by the Cubana - I've never had extras in a club that was on a song-by-song basis.; plus $550 seems way'-high for this club and for Jax. Regular lap-dances are $25 and AFAIK the dancer has to give the house $5 out of every $25 LD - not sure how much she has to give the house for the $45 dances - anyway this review IMO is a cautionary-tale to straighten-out details of what u get for how-much and for how many songs; b/f agreeing to anything more than dances.

I’m far from a clean-freak/germaphobe but there are places where I tend to take extra-precautions such as heavily-used public-bathrooms etc – along that vein, I prefer not to have my bare-skin touching a strip-club seat – again not b/c I’m a clean-freak, but I def don’t trust most strip-clubs’ “commitment to hygiene/cleanliness” particularly the type of clubs I visit (although I assume some of the better ran/managed clubs may do a better-job keeping their places clean (?)). Although def not a common, there’s been a time or two I’ve walked out-of-a-club w/ a bit of a rash in the back of my thighs (since I would often wear shorts on dayshift). I can see sitting buck-naked in VIP for max-comfort, and I’ve done-it occasionally, but I def prefer to not have my bare-ass sitting on a VIP-seat that who knows how many other bare-asses have sat there and even-worse who knows when was the last time it was cleaned.

When I was SCing, this club used to be part of my rotation mainly b/c, of the mixed-clubs, it tended to have the best lap-dance-mileage (this was b/f Tootsies/RCI-Holdings bought it and b/f the new VIP-section which I’m yet to see since I haven’t visited/SCed in close to 18-months). Anyway my pref was to sit on the near-side of the back-bar (side of the back-bar facing/closer-to the main-stage) – that little spot seemed to have pretty-good dancer-traffic – but if I really wanted to find a dancer I would: a) stand by the back-wall for a while (against the wall of the LD-area) – that little-section seemed to have decent-foot-traffic w/ girls walking to/from the front of the club to the back of the club b) I would also periodically walk to/from the back of the club to the front to see if I ran into anything of interest – I would stand by the back-wall as explained-above, then take a walk to the front part of the club and stand behind the first-bar (in the small-area b/w the front-bar and the sportsbar where you can lean against a small-wall while standing) I tended to get most of my action while hanging in the back-part of the club but sometimes when walking in b/w the two areas I’d run into something I liked (vs sitting in one-place the whole-visit and hoping the right girls would come by where I was sitting).

A couple of years after joining TUSCL and learning that a good-time could be had on dayshift at certain-clubs, I mostly (but not exclusively) became a dayshifter – combine me-being mostly a dayshifter w/ me visiting mostly dives and me SCing mostly in hot-weather Miami; meant I was comfortable wearing athletic-shorts to the SC (usually roomy/stretchy black Nike shorts with an elastic waistband ) – these shorts were very-comfortable for “full contact SCing” and more importantly had wide leg-openings (I also tended to buy one size-bigger for “extra-room”) – I would go commando (of course) and “when things got heated” it was very-easy to just take out the missile via one of the shorts’ wide-leg-openings – and I was “good to go (or cum)”. On my few night-visits I wasn’t comfortable wearing my athletic-shorts – at first for nightshift-visits I would wear some soft stretchy lounge-pants that had an elastic-waistband that I could fairly-easily slide down w/o having to remove the lounge-pants. But the lounge-pants didn’t have a zipper so for my nightshift visits (and some dayshift visits) I eventually graduated to pajama-pants that had a one-button-fly “for convenience” – both the lounge-pants and pajama-pants were black w/ pockets so “kinda” passed for slacks if one wasn’t looking too-closely (I wore a decent-shirt and shoes to look a bit “less conspicuous” and it helped I mostly hit dives and midtier clubs so usually didn’t have an issue w.r.t. what I was wearing. Thus it’s been a while/years since I’ve had the “where do I put my pants” issue – besides the “logistics” of taking-off/storing one’s pants when extras(ing); there is also the issue/possibility that a ROB can pick-your-pocket if your pants are around your ankles or off-to-the-side.

I walk to the DJ booth and ask him to hold my pants for me then I proceed to VIP to take care of my business.

I'm not a BDs regular but IME any club that has a good dayshift is worth a try if that is the only timeframe u have - it def won't have the same # of dancers that it would have around happy-hour but I doubt a club that big with a usually solidid-dayshift would be completely voud of dancers. IMO it's worth a recon - also during slow-times dancers tend to provide better-service/attention which can be a nice-plus.

"... I once went upstairs into the VIP which costed $650 per night ( extra $500 to the girl for 30min ) and never repeated it ..." What did u get for that almost $1200? If all u got was dances then it seems like pretty-low-ROI.

It's my understanding dances are either $25/song or 5-for-$100 - seems the girls may be currently pushing-for the $100-dances and not informing custies of the different dance-option$.

I hit this club a couple of times when I lived in Dallas and it seemed like a pretty-benign place (and I got the same sense from reviews since then) - but, trouble-makers can show-up at any club I guess. This club also sits by itself in a separate part of the city (NE Dallas) vs most other clubs being in the more industrial lower-rent west-side of Dallas.

This place used to get decent reviews - this is a no-alcohol place so it closes later and probably gets going later. What time was your visit?

Articles and reviews don't have to be perfect to be approved - the problem is too-many people milk the system and write crap *just* for the free VIP (instead of wanting to contribute helpful info) - the more crap there is the harder it is to find good-data when one is researching/looking for it.

“… She had me straddled at the end of the last song and literally put all my weight on me to keep me there & get another dance. I was literally going to have to lift her up off of me, but the bouncer realized what was going on & came over to end her games. Some dancer that I only half way wanted dances from would have pissed me off, but she was so juicy that she could pretty much get away with anything, other than making me stay for a 5th dance. Did I tell you about how round that ass was? …” You did tell us – but feel free to tell us again “… Additionally at some point they also brought a timbale player up on stage who played to the DJ’s music while the girls also danced …” I’m usually not a big-fan of props in the strip-club as for me personally they are often a distraction and for me usually takes away from the reason I’m in the club which is “to get my freak-on” and IME props can often take away/distract from that I assume most readers are not gonna know what a “timbale” is – timbales are a small-set-of-drums popular in Latin-music: https://www.google.com/search?q=timbales&sxsrf=APwXEde4--SK2c2WOsERp6umWLnnEupHug:1679785679779&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjzv_elmfj9AhXMTTABHcXUCuYQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1067&bih=517&dpr=1.5

Nice write-up. When I was a regular-SCer prior to Covid and was SCing a lot, I liked to have a # of clubs in-m-rotation since I like variety. I too like the IG-monsters but this club just got too-much-on-my-nerves: 1) the tip-parade here can be a PITA on dayshift and unbearable on nightshift 2) the cover-charge is an insult – most clubs in SoFlo have no cover-charge on dayshift and this club is charging 20 on dayshift which is more than what many clubs even charge on nightshift – and yeah; nightshift is 50-cover (if they haven’t increased it) 3) songs too short – pre-Covid when I used visit once-in-a-while; I would time some songs out-of-curiosity w/ m cellphone’s stopwatch and it seemed they had a little-system per se where they would purposely cut *certain* songs short perhaps so custies couldn’t notice – i.e. they would play a short-song maybe 2.5-minutes-long; the next-one at 3-minutes; the next-one at 3.5 minutes; then repeat the cycle starting a 2.5-minutes again (which obviusly sucks b/c it’s not as if one is getting charged less when getting one of the 2.5-minute dances) 4) I’ve found the dancers’ attitudes in this club being poorer on avg compared to the better clubs – not terrible (o/w they couldn’t sell dances); but I don’t find the vibe in this club as comfortable as some of the better-clubs 5) dance-mileage is not bad but not great - and it doesn’t help that the dance-counter sits in view of pretty-much the entire dance-area which is not that big; and I think there are windows in the dance-area it's just that one usually doesn't notice b/c they are above one's head when one sits down [and w.r.t. Venezuelan-dancers; I haven’t met that many but the few I’ve met have been meh to lame w.r.t. mileage]

My M.O. w.r.t. a club/area is to try to know the-going-rate upfront – if I’m interested in VIP/extras then I state the price vs asking her; e.g. I say something like “wanna do VIP for $300?” (or w/e the going-rate is) – by-no-means is this foolproof but this more-or-less let’s her know “I know the deal” – the avg custy that walks into a club is often clueless and it seems many dancers see this as an opportunity to overcharge/way-overcharge bc the custy doesn’t know any better [if she agrees to-my-offer, my M.O. is to also let her know upfront I don’t pay her part till-the-end (till services are rendered); some ROBs will agree to your price, take your $$$, and then not deliver]

I’m on a SC “hiatus” and haven’t clubbed in almost 18-months (not sure when or if I’ll resume m SC-career). But I was an avid SCer for about 20-years – for w/e reason OTC never really had a big-appeal for me – I guess it’s b/c I like variety so much and I get more-turned-on in a club with a few-dozen half-naked women walking-around “all available for the taking” – I was also not a big-extras-guy mainly b/c I was afraid of catching-something, and the much higher expense involved w/ extras– but w/ time I started partaking in ITC extras but it was not my main-thing and on many/most visits I was fine w/ just getting HM-dances - w/ time when I started occasionally doing extras it was usually a “spur of the moment” thing where I was really turned-on w/ a particular-dancer that was dancing for me. w.r.t. the raw vs covered – I’m in the camp that I find covered-sex so inferior to raw that that-is a pretty-big-reason I’ve never been a big SC-extras-PL – covered-extras don’t have that big-an-appeal to me so I often rather go w/o the extras. I *have* had uncovered-extras multiple-times and it was great – but being aware of how potentially dangerous that can be I avoided making it a regular-thing. If one is willing to accept the risks for the pleasure, I can personally see that angle depending on one’s stage in life (age; no S.O.; no dependent-kids; etc); but at the very-least it’s a good-idea to get snipped b/c it’s probably much easier to get a stripper pregnant and be paying child-support for 2-decades than getting a serious-STD.

I try to make a distinction b/w “spending” money and “wasting” money. I don’t mind spending money in da-club if I’m having a good-time – I do mind wasting money and why I avoid SC-ATMs and avoid using CCs in-the-club. Every now-and-then I *have* used a SC-ATM; sometimes b/c I can’t make it to one of my bank-branch’s ATMs; or more-commonly b/c I was having a great time in-the-club and wanted to keep the good-times-rolling – but these are the exception and not the norm and I will usually hit the club w/ the cash I need. Leaving the club when the money you-walked-in-with is gone is good-advice – but I’ve never been one to be an over-spender in life in general and it’s never really been a big-battle for me w.r.t. controlling spending – thus over-the-years there have been times I’ve hit the club’s-ATM b/c I was really enjoying myself; and looking-back after-the-fact/years in-my-case I was glad I did it b/c I did enjoy myself so in *my case* it was a good ROI but then again I didn’t have a family/kids that depended on me.

Per the Baby Dolls website: "... You can wear a suit or simply throw on a polo shirt. Our ladies love men who dress comfortably and respectfully. We do ask that you leave any clothing with potentially offensive phrases on it tucked away in your dresser at home ..." https://www.babydolls.com/faqs/

I’ve been to Baby Dolls but I’m from out-of-state and thus not intimately familiar w/ it. When I was last there the girl taking the cover-charge didn’t wanna let me in wearing my black-lounge-pants which I have worn many times at many different SCs (my black-lounge-pants have pockets and look like slacks except it doesn’t have a zipper and I guess that is what gave it away w/ the cover-charge-girl – but there was a male staff-member that overheard her not wanting to let me in and he actually let me in) – so it seems they have a dress-code but I’m not sure how it applies to shorts (some places allow “dress”/khaki shorts but not athletic-shorts). You can call the club and double-check; or just go w/ shorts and have a backup pair of slacks in the car.

Yeah; there are certain “unwritten rules” w.r.t. strip-clubbing and one of them is avoiding using any club’s ATM since w/ rare exception they all charge exorbitant-fees, w/ often low-limits to force you to do multiple withdrawals and thus charge you multiple-times. As has been posted, most experienced SCers know to go to the club “well prepared” in terms of cash – I don’t have a bank that reimburses ATM fees but even if I did I still wouldn’t do it on principle. There *have* been times I’ve used a club’s ATM either b/c I didn’t have time to swing by one of my bank-branch’s ATM, or I burned thru all the money I took to the club but still wanted to keep-on having a good time – but these have been the exception of my SC visits and I always try going into the club w/ the funds I think I need for a typical visit. Another thing to avoid is using a credit-card – not only are there extra-fees often associated w/ using a CC; but one is basically handing the club their CC credit-limit and there is no shortage of unscrupulous clubs/club-employees that will take the opportunity to charge bogus charges to your CC in the hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars (it happens and has happened) – Flight Club is a pretty-reputable SC but plenty of SCs are not and even in a “reputable SC” there are thieve-employees.

“… White girls are pretty but when they are slim they have no ass or tits. But a slim black girl still has thighs and booty …” I’m of the same-opinion – from all my years of hitting black-clubs; one thing (of many) I’ve noticed is that often-times black-women feel fuller – i.e. I’ll see a young-AA that is not necessarily skinny but slim-looking (vs thick) and I’m not that impressed/interested; but when I get dances from them and feel up on their breasts and butt they often feel bigger/fuller than they look.