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15 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
Fetish echos views on SW and EDN. Those gals become ballistic at any mention of the possibility a dancer would do extras. Unfortunately the mods there support the same denial mentality and IMO as those sites are there to sell products to the dancers like the so called "Dancer Wealth". I have been kicked off both sites for freely expressing my views.
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15 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
In Houston, strip clubs are 2 way heavy contact so the customer is free to feel the girl and roam as long its not in the G-String Area. I have not only felt them during LD's, but sucked boob and fingered them too (many times they freely volunteer it by lifting up their g string to expose it).
Consequently I consider all strippers sex workers whether extras girls or not. Sorry I don't really believe in two classes of strippers (Extras vs Non Extras Gals) except that I tend to view the extras gals as Wide Receivers and the others as Running Backs. Consequently I reject the idea one group is good and the other bad. Fetish I would view you as an RB, not a WR. I enjoy both types of gals in my SC hobby. That you don't want to be a WR is your problem, not the girl who actually is one and loves doing sex with customers whether itc or otc. Many gals who work in SC are with some BF or husband who may not be giving them that great of dick. So they are excited to get some strange along with some shopping money. And what a better place for them to enjoy this than at work (SC).
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15 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
Fetish Dancer - Don't let all this scare you. I certainly appreciate your posts and understand your frustration with the extras gals.
I have experienced the same kind of resentment in the coin business while set up at coins shows with dealers who wholesale to the public as I am mainly retail. Those guys own shops where the stuff is coming at 50-60% of Bid (wholesale), consequently they can still make money wholesaling their stuff. This is simply the impact of market forces.
There are SC customers who take extras and those who don't. A dancer simply has to tailor her sell to her particular market. Fetish you sound like a nice young lady and I am sure if I met you in an Indy club like Brads where the dances are $10 (is that correct?) from the way you have described yourself I probably would enjoy the buffet and spend $100 on you in dances. I am not set in concrete and do not always go to SC to pursue extras but at the one here in SE Houston where I am VIP, extras are the norm. I even took a gal up to VIP in January determined just to take 2 dances @$20 (giving her the money upfront) but she immediately got nude and went to work on me with BJ, then Sex after making couch fort (it was great!). After a $100 tip, Damages were $450 (way over what I have been paying for pussy). I simply could not resist this 20 yr old blonde with sexy tats from Louisiana.
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15 years ago
Another incall experience was with a waffle house waitress called Diane. She was a friend of a stripper I had been doing. Over a 2 yr period she was one of gals I rotated. I showed up at her apartment. There were 2 men in the other bedroom, she said not to worry that it was just her brother and his friend. Her bedroom did not even lock and she said "We can just do it right here no need to go to motel, be a man and fuck me." I am sure they heard it. I went ahead and did her and got off in her, she was very vocal in expressing her enjoyment. I then gave her the $150. As I was leaving the two guys gave me a standing ovation. I vowed never to myself never to do her there again.
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15 years ago
Rick - I totally agree. A hotel room one can control or inside a club like in VIP is much better than an incall location which can hold nasty surprises. Be wary of gals who want payment upfront, especially if they give it to BF. I have not prob showing them money and say putting it on night table beside bed or back in my pocket but you need to be in control as much as possible or you could get ripped.
You could show up at the incall locn, the girl requires you to pay the money upfront (hands it to BF / Pimp) standing nearby). You go inside and another shocker the place looks like shit inside. Then she says "We only have 15 minutes to do this because my Grandma in hospital about to die and my aunt is on her way and I don't want my aunt to know I do this." After all this shit, good luck in getting it up and getting off.
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15 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
I try to have plenty of cash on hand near month end. A stripper I had just met a month before called me crying about how she needed $600 on her rent due in 8 days.
As this was a phone message, I called number and got a recording "you have reached the home of Shay and Jim." I wondered WTF does he do that he cant pay her rent, it sorta pissed me off. You know these guys are getting free pussy. I phoned her and made her an offer "honey I can help on your rent, but I want pussy the next six days in a row at $100 a pop. I also want you to model bikini for me as I want to photo you and then fuck you." She asked if I could loan it to her and when we got to know each other better that might happen. I politely explained to her I don't do loans or handouts. She then hung up the phone. Another one needed $170 to get her car out of impound. I offered I could help her but would want pussy. She agreed and we went on to do 75 sessions over a couple of years.
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15 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
I can understand the non extras gal point of view but taking it out on customers like I have seen them do on SW is not fair. I am a man with a strong sex drive and need relief and if I can get BJ / pussy for $150 in a SC well I won't be spending $100 on dances. If prostitution were legalized it probably would put many SC's out of business.
I have been a Player for sometime enjoying both extras and non extras gals. The stripper I am seeing at motel is very good at what she does in giving me FS. She has her own car, is drug free, and S/O unaware of her escort work. POP has averaged $158 with her.
I would never pay a dancer for an air dance as I want to feel the girl. When I take dances with strippers I will usually try to get phone number and engage them in convo to explore if they work otc. Sometimes I may even make them an offer. Read my articles on Meeting a Stripper OTC and Dealing with Dancer Drama.
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15 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
The dancers who don't do extras resent the extras gals. This is especially true on sites like EDN.
At a club where I am VIP, probably 75% of the gals do extras. I have done them in CR and the upstarirs VIP. Before taking one to VIP I will ask if she likes to play. If yes will negotiate service before going up to VIP. I frankly don't see how non extras gals expect to really make it at this club. They also have competetion from backpage call girls who here in Houston are doing sex for $80. FS for me at this club has ranged between $100 to $300.
At PHC which is not as extras friendly club I may take 2 dances ($40) but thats it. I had a backpage call girl the other day for $67. Tomorrow I am having a stripper I have been doing 2 yr for $200. She is getting married on Saturday and has agreed to 3 sessions next week in a row all at $100 each.
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15 years ago
never
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15 years ago
I would definitely do her. I used to travel to NJ on business about one a quarter (Parsippany) and met a 37 yr old housewife in chat. Fucked her everytime I went there sometimes 2x day as she seemed like nympho (loved to give BJ) but she was no where near as hot as Snooki....The crazy bitch wanted me to do her in their house in the master bedroom while he was at work but I declined. The house was in a nice area near Rockaway and looked as nice as Tony's (Sopranos). It was obvious he had lots of money that she could stay home and play all day.
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15 years ago
Not sleeping with the help is impossible to do at SC if you work there. Managers get a lot of pussy and I know of a SC DJ who has had 23 kids with 23 different women, most of them Strippers and Hookers.
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15 years ago
If you have her on FB and fucked her at noon, it might give you insight to what she was doing between noon and 4pm when hubby came home. They reveal so much stuff when chatting with GF.
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15 years ago
I would suggest a special Business Card with phony or stage name for giving your info to strippers. WARNING: If you have FB acct do not let your wife see it where lots of your friends are strippers LOL!
If your give your real name like say here in Houston, they can look you up your street address (Property Tax site and age (people search). I have heard horror stories of pg stripper showing up at guys front doors or some of her hood friends robbing his house.
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15 years ago
I have a FB account with a phony first name which is on the busy card I give strippers. Would never use my first name. Two are FB friends, one I am doing (almost 2 yr) and one I did 75 times but married the guy who ran out on her when she was PG with 4th kid (she has 4 by 3 different men - I call this the 4-3 Defense LOL).
I like using their FB data for intel and mining photos of them (especially sexy ones). I keep low profile bc husbands / live ins are friends on their FB. Some are such exhibitionists and post tons of photos. I sometimes wonder if they use FB to recruit escort clients. You can become FB friends with a club then check out its friends who may be strippers you can befriend LOL. Many of them like girls for sex and their photos reflect this.
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15 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
Near the end of the month can be good. Be careful of being manipulated by drama and paying more than your comfy with. Once you condition yourself to be immune to their drama it will seem almost hilarius. I have heard all kinda SS - their about to be evicted, the power co is about to shut them off, they need money to get their car out of impound, they cant fuck you bc of their wisdom teeth but want money anyhow. You wonder how these girls can have such a shitstorm of badluck. A lot of the time its legit, just use it to your advantage in negotiations bc their prob is not your responsibility.
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15 years ago
fetish-dancer
I appreciate your input. I also like middle-end clubs sometimes and prefer gals which are au-natuarl, not fat or skinny. I used to enjoy such a club where dances were $10 (no VIP area, so no extras decisions), free buffet / menu lunches, and just plain fun. They were jammed packed on Wednesdays as that was $5 dance day. Unfortunately this place is no longer here (Houston).
I can understand your frustration with the extras girls taking away huge chunks of money. What a lot of dancers probably are not aware of is the backpage.com call girls taking money away from the clubs. I can get some here from them for as little as $80.
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15 years ago
I will go to certain clubs if I am not in extras seeking mode. This will usually be for the free buffet and probably a couple of dances.
If the extras club where I am VIP it has been mainly with a gal I have been seeing itc and otc POP averaging $135. These meetings are set up before I go to club so when I get there we go to VIP or CR for sex.
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15 years ago
If the club serves a lunch buffet there will be lots of guys in there for lunch and to enjoy the company of a dancer. There are times I will go to lunch buffet at a club and spend some on dances.
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15 years ago
At the club where I am VIP, extras are the norm. Probably about 75% of the girls do them. I really am not a fan of buying $100 in dances when I can get pussy for $100 - $150 inside the club. A lot of them don't make me use condoms (are they drunk?) and it is so much fun shooting a load into them. I have fake business cards to avoid questions later on. If a girl does not give extras there she will not survive. I could c dancing as an artform like on the beatoff channel. Those ROB's on EDN did not like my comments about extras so I am no longer allowed to post there.
I believe dancers can be artistic but Mr H has to agree.....
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15 years ago
I saw a black stripper otc for several months. She was awesome in this white swimsuit and I got to do her without a rubber. It was so much fun when I shot off in her as she would orgasm like crazy - "Pump it in me honey, I want it all, I wanna be yo ho." She was very sensual and would suck your lip sorta kissing before she gave bj. Fucking her was great and her rythmetic motions would get me off in no time. The best was cost, got it down to $60 bc she loved coming to my apt. She would get so excited when my dick was deep in her and about to cum. I would tell her "I don't shoot blanks honey" and then she would pant and moan and cry out when the load shot in her.
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14 years ago
Prostitution allows men access to women they would not normally be able to tap. It is like buying food at a diner vs having to hunt and cook it. The idea it demeans women is feminist propoganda. If women want to sell sex enjoyment IMO they should be able to do that in a supposedly free society. Prostitution is the worlds oldest profession and was a basic tenet of the Goddess Religion.
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14 years ago
A friend of mine, M who is 71, invites them over to his house all the time for sex. He has had them steal his daughters cell phone (and then ransom it back), a currency collection was stolen, a credit card was stolen, one stripper called the cops on him, and a backpage call girl thew a scizo fit.
I meet them in motels and use a stage name along with SC related business card. The advantage of inviting them over is no paying motel and sometimes they will stay with you bc they need a place to stay. However they attract all kinda undesireable bums like a Jovian Planet captures moonlets. Having these people know where you live is not a comforting thought.
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14 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
A dancer friend tells me that when they see one come out of VIP with a guy they will ask her "what did you get off of him." Like guys bragging in a locker room about getting pussy these gals will brag about how much money they got fucking a guy in VIP. They may tell the other gals "he's mine so leave him alone." They are very territorial and here in Houston not afraid to experess to the other girls they fuck.
From reading SW and EDN it appears there is bias in other parts of the country against strippers who fuck. IMO they are all sex workers and if non extras gals can't compete with gals who fuck well too bad so sad.
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14 years ago
Yes - both plus sessions at a motel with a stripper or hooker.
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15 years ago
I like techno