Comments by bellman (page 2)

"Local laws vary even within a state." Isn't the real point what will local LE tolerate? Whatever the laws or ordinances allow or forbid does't really matter if the local LE does not enforce them. In addition there are the rules set by the state alcohol licening authority. Many clubs will not risk losing a liquor licence just to allow the dancers to show a bit more skin since alcohol sales are their major source of income. Here too it comes down to how strictly the rules are enforced.

I spent a night in Indy on a trip a while back and visited this club. At that time I found the club not at all worth the high ratings it was getting. While the dancers were reasonably attractive, that did not make up for the lack of mileage. By my standards this club would not make the Top 50.

$200 and up for a HJ seems like way too much. In my area (Philly/S NJ) you can get FS for $100-$150 plus the room fee, with HJ and BJ quite a bit less. The best prices I've ever experienced were in Bridgeport CT where tips of $20/$40/$60 get you HJ/BJ/FS.

In Philadelphia and its immediate suburbs, including some in NJ, there are about 50 strip clubs, all within a 1 hour drive of each other. If you expand the neighborhood to a 2 hour drive (Atlantic City to Newark NJ, or west to Harrisburg), there are probably 100 more.

At the Carnival Bookstore in Brooklawn NJ the basic time with the girl is 15 minutes, which is about 3 songs in most clubs. At Pleasant Moments in Bridgeport CT I went back with a latina for "fun" and nobody kept track of the time or the number of songs; we were there until we finished and I paid just the fixed rate for the "fun".

There are seveal clubs in Bridgeport CT, that are as certain for a full menu from almost all the dancers as is Henry VIII, among them Teddies (before their legal problems) and Pleasant Moments. Others in the same class: Sights in Newark NJ, Carnival Bookstore in Brooklawn NJ, CT Bookstore in Gary IN.

HJs at the bar or at the wall are very common at Vic's in Irvington NJ, because there are no LD rooms or booths.

Philadelphia has two SCs easily accessible by public transport. Neitehr is nude, but extars are available at each. 1) Gold Club, walking distance from anywhere in Center City and near regional rail station and many bus lines. 2) Club Atlantis is a few blocks from the AMTRAK 30th St station and on several bus lines and a subway line.

I can't comment on the southern clubs, but I know the 3 mentioned in Philadelphia. All are upscale, expensive, and mainly low mileage. For much more mileage at lower cost there are Playhouse in Burlington NJ, Ball Park Tavern in Levittown PA, and Club Atlantis in Philadelphia.

The city of Philadelphia has a smoking ban on all public indoor sites, thus including bars and SCs. The SCs in various suburban locations generally allow smoking. As a non-smoker I wish all smoking everywhere would end; the population would be healthier for it!

In clubs where extras are commonly offered, I have found that HJs usually don't cost more than the price of 2 songs, and BJs the price of 3 songs. And I've once been offered CFS for $120 ITC. $100 for a HJ is far too much.

If you are looking for raunchy places where extras are readily availbale try Vic's in Irvington (HJs in public) or Sights in Newark.

In many years of visiting SCs and getting LDs I have twice been with dancers who admitted that they got off quite easily, and we smoothly got to the point of mutual satisfaction. But I consider those to be (pleasant) exceptions, and agree that most of them don't seem to be interested getting off with the customers.

How about CT Bookstore in Hammond IN -- that surely outranks HVIII Southgate for sleaze. And then there are several clubs in East St Louis IL and Washington Park IL. Or how about the Providence RI clubs? Or Teddies in Bridgeport CT. On a somewhat higher level, but still good for almost certain extras Cheeks in Pemberton NJ.

For many years before Mayor Giuliani (about pre-1995) cleaned up the Times Square area of Manhattan there were rows of theaters that offered live sex shows, including couples doing it. The female performers would also come down into the customer seats and do almost anything you wanted. There were peep-show places with no windows between customer and performer where anything short of FS could happen, and if a girl was horny she'd take you into a back room for FS. Also there were lap dance places like the famed Harmony Burlesque, first right on Broadway, later downtown on Church St that had nude dancers who were ready to provide a place to insert a finger for a tip, and where DATY, HJ, BJ were quite common. Ah, the good old days!

CT Book Store in Gary has a couple of not very attractive women in house who offer everything, including FS. Also in their theater if you happen to hit it when a couple is there, the female will usually take on all comers. Dancers in many of the other clubs in the N Indiana area also offer a variety of extras.

Try One Step Beyond in Melrose Park -- no privacy but when there is no bouncer, like in the afternoons, the girls can give a nice two-way contact time.

I visit here fairly often, and many of the facts stated in this review are are incorrect. The quality of the ladies does not warramt a 7-8 rating. The "live show" (peep show) is often closed, and when it is open it is a poor quality strip show -- you'd get better at almost any SC. I have never seen any cameras there, and if they are there it certainly doesn't the ladies frommoffering a full menu. Ane there is no advantae to going nights, since the same ladies work days one week and nights the next.

Everything sounds much better than it is.

This is one of a series of reviews of this place, one per month, by new members who have not written any other reviews

This is one of a series of reviews of this place, one per month, by new members who have written no other reviews

This is one of a series of reviews of this place, one per month, by new reviewers who have not written any oyher reviews

Obviously written by management