recent visit to club VIP. dancer offered extras. HJ/RUSSIAN (50); covered BJ (100) FS but only OTC (200). taking into account the $150 I had already spent on VIP , I thought HJ and BJ prices a bit too high. what is the going rate in your area ?
Sounds about the same as here. IME the first time you do OTC you should pay a bit more $250-350 maybe, but after that they will come down. Should get as low as $150 after a while.
It is a Business Deal & everyone has their "PRICE". You just have to work it out & find an agreeable price point between each other. I don't believe that Geography matters.
10inches, maybe next time you can go for a standard LD and put the VIP money towards an OTC? Personally, this is one of the reasons why I haven't done VIP in the past but having siad that I did regret not doing VIP with a couple of girls on my recent trip that weren't up for extras and/or OTC.
An young, attractive or skilled escort runs $250 an hour. A young, attractive, AND skilled escort runs $500 to $600 depending on her mood. Just saying.
Hey 10i - to Doc's and Stilleto's comments, the price can range quite a bit, depending on the girl. I've seen everything from FS for no upcharge over the basic VIP room rate (for an ATF I knew for a while), to double the VIP room rate just for a rather uninspired HJ (hey, it happens from time to time). And there's not always a clear correlation between age/attraction/skill and price. In general though (and I do mean in very broad terms), I've seen the higher prices for the higher quality women/skills/extras-offered.
Generally, an "extra" IS going to cost extra over the VIP basic rate (or in other words, a VIP experience isn't necessarily synonymous with getting your rocks off). So, $50 extra for a spirited HJ doesn't seem too outlandish. Of course, you get better value OTC, but if you want to stay ITC, dropping $200 in the VIP (all total) and walking out with a post-orgasmic smile on your face is about where it's at.
Depending on your marital situation, it could wind up costing upward of half of everything you own. No judgment; just stating what should be obvious (but is something many of us forget when the big head cedes decision making responsibility to his little brother).
@dougster: No stupid, they don't usually come down - at least that much. Once you pay a dancr $250 for p4p you are more or less stuck at that number. If you try to knock it down they'll either think that you: (1) are trying to take advantage of them; (2) now view them as worth less (bargain pussy) now that you've hit it before; or (3) are running out of $$$. None of these perceptions help the cause. Now there is one guy around here who has managed to get himself a little volume discounting with girls that he sees multiple times per week, but that is not the norm.
@10inches: That seems a little high for Atlanta, particularly when the girl is already keeping most of the VIP fee. If you are talking about OTC I generally pay $250-300 in most places (outside of NYC and Boston), negotiated for a solid hour, but I know that I overpay a little in places like SC, GA and FL and that there are guys getting it in the $200 range.
I have paid (on top of VIP cost) $50 - $100 for a good BBBJ/CBJ before all the way up to $200 for FS and it did not last long since she was hot and tight! I try to interview as much as possible before we go back but strippers are great liars.. :D
FS is rare in my area but when I travel I find it is pretty easy if you research a little and find the right girl. End of the month for rent money is usually a good time too.... ; )
Wow, I wish I could get away with that cheap. Only $250 for a blow job? Man, you got it good. I think I wanna move to Hotlanta! And where's Dougster hooking up OTC for a measly $350? Is that cum-and-go, or as much as you can in a time period?
I could be naive, but in my (limited) experience I think that there is no collusion going on and that prices differ noticeably between girls even in the stripclub. My theory is that, at least in this town, extras are very taboo, so if a dancer knows that a co-worker goes rogue, she will not approach her about what prices she charges.
Saying that, I'm pretty shitty when it comes to negotiating prices, so I've been all over the fuckin' place. There was one girl who gave me good hand lovin' for the price of the dance itself, twenty bucks -- and it was during a 2-for-1. On the other hand I have a girl at this club that's convinced me cameras are everywhere and that I have to pay $200 for her manual labor. Oral pleasure I'm sure started out at $100, though I think I've paid twice that as well. And on top of all that, I've been quoted prices all over these spectra in all the cities I've received such happiness -- MSP, ESL, Honolulu, Cleveland, MIA. ...
@rick: huh? It works like this. They start phoning you up saying they want to come over. You say, "no thanks, can't tonight." They say "oh, come on." You say "sorry can't". Then they, "oh, ok." Then a few nights later they call again and you say "sorry, still can't." And then they say "Well what if it's a bit a cheaper this time?"
You really don't get this game do you? First you come up with your unnecessary system, and now you think you stuck in a starting price forever. Kind of dumb, aren't you, Rick?
$200 and up for a HJ seems like way too much. In my area (Philly/S NJ) you can get FS for $100-$150 plus the room fee, with HJ and BJ quite a bit less. The best prices I've ever experienced were in Bridgeport CT where tips of $20/$40/$60 get you HJ/BJ/FS.
I hear $150 to $200, but so far I've paid $0. I offered a girl payment a couple weeks ago, but she turned it down and said she just wants to fuck. Lucky me?
@Dougster: Ah huh - sure, that happens all the time because, after all, you're the only guy who wants to pay her for sex. ;) So where did you read that anyway? IMHO you need to read and theorize less and do a little more.
@bell: Sometimes you get what you pay for. Those girls in the B'port club that you are talking about are often broken down Dominicans who have had 10 guys before you.
That's right Rick, the girls who do OTC do not have unlimited amounts of customers waiting to pay arbitrary amounts. It's too bad you don't understand because it would give you a better negotiating position.
I will give you a few other things I have noticed in reality as opposed to what you imagine to be true, so you can claim they are false (when they are true) and I can laugh at your idiocy some more.
1. Contrary to what you beleive younger girls (early 20s) are as likely to do OTC as older ones
2. Single mother, married, single w bf but no kids makes no difference all equally likely to do OTC
3. If there is one factor I do think affects likelihood to do OTC it's looks. Specifically the 9's and the 10's are actually the ones more likely to do it.
This is what happens in reality, Rick. It's too bad your stupid "system" limits your oppurtunities (and probably ups your cost) and you don't get to realize this. So sad for ya' bud!
You don't know what I do and with whom, but putting that aside that was really eye opening stuff. ;) I'm just gonna' let those comments stand on their own.
3. If there is one factor I do think affects likelihood to do OTC it's looks. Specifically the 9's and the 10's are actually the ones more likely to do it.
Do you think or know?
Isn't a 9/10 by definition somebody everybody wants so have more options what to do and not...
Shortly I did a 3 dances $120 VIP and added another single dance.
When I payed the 160 she asked if I didn't like the dances not tipping.
I sayed I do but 160 is enough - but the club keeps most of it - whats most - 50% (is half most BTW) - 80 in less then 20min is still fine I sayd - but it's very inconsistent
20 Mins later there was a 2 for one special and I was even more confident not having tipped here. For the same money (with tip then) I could have more dance and she more of the money. The club was so slow not unlikely she had no other dances the day. Other Girls was sitting and talking half an hour with the guy doing this special then (No I had no demand for so much talking)
She was a shark anyway she asked about 30min VIP and when I asked the price she told twice the price I know of being exceptional high allready.
BTW does it have a special meaning if a dancer askes you "What do you like/do for fun?" Was asked this often last times while can't remember more past.
@muchfun: I know it from experience. I encourage you to do the experiment and find out for yourself, however. It's lots of fun to learn this neat fact.
Have you been to shy to ask the 9/10s at the start?
Where else your experience comes from?
Not shy you would ask the girl you like most first and if she is more likely to say yes why to ask somebody else at all?
In my experience girls you like less often come sit and talk to you the longest time while I'm starting to consider how to turn her down most gentle to bee free for others if there are some.
Dancers I like I often have to approach myself and so they also don't need to do much more...
Like I say sometimes I don't have to do anything, they ask me. That's how it was the first couple of times for me. Then I got the idea "hey, there must be more of this going on than I thought". It definitely pays to ask and never really hurts so you might as well ask.
But you are right nowadays I just focus on the 9s and 10s. The success rate there is so high, why bother with the other ones? I certainly won't rule out girls who are not 9s and 10s, however. The stripper I knew who could fuck the best was a 7 to 8.
Haven't noticed the problem of the ones you like not approaching. Seems they all approach at some point even if it is only "want a dance?" If not, I won't hesitate to approach them. Again nothing to lose and potentially much to gain.
Why does the expression "the blind leading the blind" come to mind here? ;)
Much, go yee forth and good luck, but make sure that your health insurance premiums are paid in full. Also, keep your insurance card someplace easy for medics to find just in case you are unable to speak for any reason.
Poor Rick just can't handle the fact that getting strippers to do OTC is no big deal. He thinks it's a big accomplishment and his ego is tremendously swollen as a result. Years spent developing a system that works no better, worse in fact, than just asking. A real castle built in the air. What a dumbass.
At nearby extras friendly club its $100 for BBBJ and $200 for everything.
With 3 gals I am rotating POP is averaging $120. 2 x Strippers 30 (228 sessions) and 33 (25 sessions). One is 28 yo single mom off Seeking Arrangement fairly new acquaintance. I have had 3 other SA gals over the summer with POP $100-$150. A 24 yo college student, 40 yo housewife who advertised herself as the "mom next door" (got to do her bareback), and 35 yo cougar.
@micro: The profile says San Diego. Hopefully it's not one of the DV owned clubs. May as well throw your dollars onto the freeway for the mileage you're likely to see there.
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from my perspective it's more like however much you think she's worth but i see stiletto's point of view too.
10inches, maybe next time you can go for a standard LD and put the VIP money towards an OTC? Personally, this is one of the reasons why I haven't done VIP in the past but having siad that I did regret not doing VIP with a couple of girls on my recent trip that weren't up for extras and/or OTC.
Generally, an "extra" IS going to cost extra over the VIP basic rate (or in other words, a VIP experience isn't necessarily synonymous with getting your rocks off). So, $50 extra for a spirited HJ doesn't seem too outlandish. Of course, you get better value OTC, but if you want to stay ITC, dropping $200 in the VIP (all total) and walking out with a post-orgasmic smile on your face is about where it's at.
@10inches: That seems a little high for Atlanta, particularly when the girl is already keeping most of the VIP fee. If you are talking about OTC I generally pay $250-300 in most places (outside of NYC and Boston), negotiated for a solid hour, but I know that I overpay a little in places like SC, GA and FL and that there are guys getting it in the $200 range.
FS is rare in my area but when I travel I find it is pretty easy if you research a little and find the right girl. End of the month for rent money is usually a good time too.... ; )
Saying that, I'm pretty shitty when it comes to negotiating prices, so I've been all over the fuckin' place. There was one girl who gave me good hand lovin' for the price of the dance itself, twenty bucks -- and it was during a 2-for-1. On the other hand I have a girl at this club that's convinced me cameras are everywhere and that I have to pay $200 for her manual labor. Oral pleasure I'm sure started out at $100, though I think I've paid twice that as well. And on top of all that, I've been quoted prices all over these spectra in all the cities I've received such happiness -- MSP, ESL, Honolulu, Cleveland, MIA. ...
You really don't get this game do you? First you come up with your unnecessary system, and now you think you stuck in a starting price forever. Kind of dumb, aren't you, Rick?
@bell: Sometimes you get what you pay for. Those girls in the B'port club that you are talking about are often broken down Dominicans who have had 10 guys before you.
I will give you a few other things I have noticed in reality as opposed to what you imagine to be true, so you can claim they are false (when they are true) and I can laugh at your idiocy some more.
1. Contrary to what you beleive younger girls (early 20s) are as likely to do OTC as older ones
2. Single mother, married, single w bf but no kids makes no difference all equally likely to do OTC
3. If there is one factor I do think affects likelihood to do OTC it's looks. Specifically the 9's and the 10's are actually the ones more likely to do it.
This is what happens in reality, Rick. It's too bad your stupid "system" limits your oppurtunities (and probably ups your cost) and you don't get to realize this. So sad for ya' bud!
Do you think or know?
Isn't a 9/10 by definition somebody everybody wants so have more options what to do and not...
When I payed the 160 she asked if I didn't like the dances not tipping.
I sayed I do but 160 is enough - but the club keeps most of it - whats most - 50% (is half most BTW) - 80 in less then 20min is still fine I sayd - but it's very inconsistent
20 Mins later there was a 2 for one special and I was even more confident not having tipped here. For the same money (with tip then) I could have more dance and she more of the money. The club was so slow not unlikely she had no other dances the day. Other Girls was sitting and talking half an hour with the guy doing this special then (No I had no demand for so much talking)
She was a shark anyway she asked about 30min VIP and when I asked the price she told twice the price I know of being exceptional high allready.
BTW does it have a special meaning if a dancer askes you "What do you like/do for fun?" Was asked this often last times while can't remember more past.
Where else your experience comes from?
Not shy you would ask the girl you like most first and if she is more likely to say yes why to ask somebody else at all?
In my experience girls you like less often come sit and talk to you the longest time while I'm starting to consider how to turn her down most gentle to bee free for others if there are some.
Dancers I like I often have to approach myself and so they also don't need to do much more...
But you are right nowadays I just focus on the 9s and 10s. The success rate there is so high, why bother with the other ones? I certainly won't rule out girls who are not 9s and 10s, however. The stripper I knew who could fuck the best was a 7 to 8.
Haven't noticed the problem of the ones you like not approaching. Seems they all approach at some point even if it is only "want a dance?" If not, I won't hesitate to approach them. Again nothing to lose and potentially much to gain.
Much, go yee forth and good luck, but make sure that your health insurance premiums are paid in full. Also, keep your insurance card someplace easy for medics to find just in case you are unable to speak for any reason.
Any takers?
With 3 gals I am rotating POP is averaging $120. 2 x Strippers 30 (228 sessions) and 33 (25 sessions). One is 28 yo single mom off Seeking Arrangement fairly new acquaintance. I have had 3 other SA gals over the summer with POP $100-$150. A 24 yo college student, 40 yo housewife who advertised herself as the "mom next door" (got to do her bareback), and 35 yo cougar.