Comments by FONDL (page 35)

I've fallen in lust a few times but never in love. And frankly I don't think it happens very often - the guy may think he's in love but he's usually in love with his fake image of the girl, not the girl herself. I also think it takes 2 to be "in love" - "in" implying that it's something shared between 2 people - but that's semantics, others probably don't share my definition.

It sounds to me that the girl was just trying to do what she was told to do. That wouldn't bother me at all because I wouldn't take it personally. The fact that other girls ignored the directive is irrelevant.

Seems to me we have all the rights we need - the right to choose which club to go or not go to, the right to choose how much to spend and who to spend it on. Whghlost, I think you should exercise those rights.

People are deserting the Republican Party because they didn't do what they said they were going to do. For years they claimed to stand for less spending and a smaller federal government (remember all the talk about disbanding the Department of Education?) They've made no effert to do either one of those things, instead they've alienated half their members with all the bullshit about religion. But not to worry, a few years of Hillary and they'll be looking pretty appealing again.

The thing that annoys me most is that you never see a cop pulling people over anywhere near rush hour, which is when cars are always traveling the fastest and is the most dangerous time of day becuase of heavy traffic (it's also when most accidents occur.) But during off hours they enforce speed limits vigorously. There's a major highway near me where the average speed is about 80 near rush hour and no one ever gets stopped, but go more than 60 on Saturday and you'll get pulled over. Makes no sense.

He used to have a job but got fired because his unreasonable asshole boss expected him to show up every day and actually do some work and not always be hung over. No more of that for him. Now he just sells some drugs when he can get hold of them.

#1 - bad attitude, as in being rude to customers and thinking we should throw money at them for doing nothing. #2 - fat and out of shape #3 - sits down and makes no effort to hold a conversation #4 - dumber than a fence post which in some clubs doesn't leave many left, does it?

You become friends with strippers the same way you do anyone else - you discover that you have common interests, you spend a lot of time together to the point where you become comfortable and trusting with each other, and you both fill needs that the other has.

Many of the clubs in DC and Maryland have amateur contests. But as someone else pointed out, what they usually get are dancers from other clubs looking to make some extra money or just checking the place out. I've only ever encountered one place that appeared to have real amateurs and it was funny as hell - two drunk girls got up on stage, took off everything, danced, then went back to their friends at the bar without ever putting any clothes back on. They were very popular. They were also really good looking.

And then someone equally predictably comes along and tells us all how boring the thread has become. What always puzzles me is why is anyone reading, much less commenting on, a thread that they find boring? I only ever read about half the threads here. The ones that don't interest me I simply ignore. If they don't interest anyone they die, if others are interested they continue without me. What's so hard about that?

Imnumnutz, my ATF is 38 years younger than me, but I think most people just assume that we're father-daughter, we look enough alike to be so. The only times I recall funny looks are when I buy her something at a store, especially when she tries on some clothing, models them for me, then I pay for them. I think it's funny. And best of all, I'll get to do it again in a couple weeks.

Imnumnutz, that's been sorta my take on it too. I suspect that there are similar laws on the books in lots of places but they're often ignored. There will probably be fairly strict compliance most places for awhile, then things will gradually return to normal. The economic incentive to do so are too great.

AN, I've had some very enjoyable off-line discussions with girls who responded to something I posted on the Pink Site. Many of the more moderate ones are afraid to post on the site itself because of it's dominance by a handfull of liberal extremists. Which is why I stopped reading it a long time ago. Jablake makes a very valid point about the group often becoming more extreme than the individuals who comprise it. I think it's the difference between the abstract generality and the common specific exception. For example, they talk endlessly about it's all about the money, that strippers never actually like their customers. And yet I remember a thread several years ago where a stripper was saddened by the death of an old regular and lots of other girls chimed in about how much they really liked some old guy and how upset they'd be if he died. Had nothing to do with money. Yet no one noted this obvious contradiction.

AN, my point exactly. I happen to think that we've already ignored the Constitution too many times. Which is why the federal government has gotten too large. I'm too lazy to look up the exact language, but doesn't the Constitution limit the federal government to certain areas and say that everything else is the responsibility of the states? Great idea - if we had done that we'd be a lot better off. Shadowcat, how can anything possibly get more political than a poll asking who we would vote for? That's as political as it gets and you started it. Plus I think it's relevant anyway because, as I said earlier, politicians are just like strippers - they tell you lies to get you to give them your money in exchange for feeling good for a short while, that's what it's all about.

Living another life is what I always liked best about clubbing. It was a pleasant escape from the usual.

AN, thank you for agreeing with my point about people who hold strong views in the middle. I think the problem with our political system today is that most people are moderates but both parties are in control of the extremists. BG, the thing I like LEAST about McCain is his support of limits on political speech. I oppose such restrictions because (1) they're unconstitutional and (2) because they would further strengthen the power of the political professionals at the expense of ordinary citizens.

As Yoda well knows, I was very interested in having 2-way dialog with dancers on SW. But the only interest some of them had was hearing from customers who agreed with them, otherwise you were subjected to personal attacks from them and their supposedly-male ass-kissing friends. That's not 2-way dialog where I come from.

No problem clubber. Truth is I don't have much interest in voting anymore because neither party represents my point of view, which is that the federal government has gotten too large and that power should be returned to state and local government. That's not based on idealogy, it's based on my observation that the federal government is the least efficient of all governments and is therefore the least able to solve domestic problems. If you think of politicians as strippers you understand them much better. It's all about the money. Give them enough and they'll tell you what4ver you want to hear. And pretend to be interested in what you have to say. And the more you give them the more they want. And sooner or later you'll get screwed. It's all about the money, and that's all they care about. It's all pretend. Don't be a PL and fall for their act. It isn't real.

Clubber, a middle position doesn't imply compromise, represent one's values and beliefs just as much as an extreme view does for some. For example, I happen to believe that abortion should be legal in some special cases but should not be allowed as a routine means of birth control, particularly in the later months. And I happen to believe that gay unions are fine but shouldn't have the same legal standing as male-female marriages do. Those are both middle positions and represent my beliefs and values every bit as much as do the extreme positions on those issues, which are often represented as being the only possible choices. I also think that most people have middle positions on these and many other controversial issues. The ideology that I object to, and both conservatives and liberals are guilty, is the act of taking a politically-correct position on any issue without any thought, based solely on what your particular group leaders tell you is the right position. People who refuse to do that and who make up their own minds on each issue are what I consider to be moderates. And they appear to be shrinking in number, which I think is sad because it is polarizing and dividing our society in a very dangerous way. I'll vote for the person who I believe to be least partisan, who I think has the best chance of reducing the divisions between us. That person will best represent my fundamental beliefs that we need to try to overcome the efforts of those who would divide us for personal gain.

In answer to the "why don't companies do tests ..." questions, these kinds of tests are very expensive to run and these kinds of natural products don't usually offer any patent protection. So if company A spends the money to run the tests, company B will step in and sell the product cheaper, since they don't have to recover the costs of testing. It usually isn't worth it to run expensive tests unless there's patent protection.

"You would think there would be a lot more research on things like this with 50 percent of Americans dying from heart disease or clogged arteries/ and or heart attacks ..." Unfortunately government research dollars are not spent in proportion to the severity of the threat. Some diseases are favored for political reasons and get a disproportionate share. Which of course leaves less for other diseases.

Good joke. Keep in mind that we may have invented the technologies but it's the younger folks who figured out how to misuse them to annoy the rest of us. Like putting way too many commercials on TV. Or yelling into cel phones in restaurants.

Thanks Chitown. I scored 100% Buddhism. My lowest score (23%) was Roman Catholic, which is where I usually attend church. Very interesting and I'm not surprised at all. Clubber, my definition of "moderate" is indeed very different from yours. To me a moderate is someone who isn't tied to any particualr ideology but takes a more pragmatic approach - if it works let's keep doing it, if it doesn't work, let's try something else. Moderates take positions on issues but those positions are based primarily on pragmatism, he supports ome liberal positions, some conservative postitions, and some that are neither. He also is willing to consider a middle position on issues like abortion that are usually defined in black and white terms. In other words, he's willing and able to think for himself.

I think this is all an indication of two things that we all encounter on a regular basis: lack of intelligence and lack of a decent education. Let's face it, the average intelligence of a stripper isn't very high, in fact we've all marvelled about the really bright girl we met in a club because it's so unusual. Combine that with the fact that our educational system teaches entitlement and doesn't teach people how to think independently, and there you have it. People are taught what views to parrot but not the underlying logic (because it's usually flawed), so when challenged they have no choice but to mount a personal attack; they have no argument to back up their claims. That's what talk shows are all about.

Where do I take the religion test? Should be interesting - my ancestors were a mix of Protestant religions including a lot of Mennonites and Jehovah's Witnesses. I'm sorta anti-organized-religion new-age spiritual but attend the Catholic church regularly, which is as organized as a religion can get. The test will probably explode when I take it.