No. 1 Complaint About Dancers Other Than Stealing . . .
is when they purposeful do bad dances when you know they can do a hell of a lot better. Sometimes it is because they're tired of customers making a mess after a single dance. Sometimes it is a tease that either she likes or she thinks the customer likes. Sometimes it is because she is concerned the customer is looking for a girlfriend. Sometimes it is because she is afraid of feeling too much.
The list of reasons could probably go on and on. I have noticed that the true champions of great dancing seem to burn out a hell of a lot quicker than those who do rationing in the form of bad dances.
I went to the club yesterday (yes, I know that wasn't smart of me being in a financial mess) and the dancer I've known for years gave me one of her famous rationing dances. I just bought 1 dance as I'm apt to do when she pulls that. Sometimes I give in and buy more and sometimes she gives in and gives good dances from the get go. One time I even asked her beforehand what was on the menu. She didn't like that, but at least she produced. I felt bad putting her on the spot.
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An experienced dancer, at a low end club, need have only a few nuts fall totally in love with her to understand the wisdom of safety before profit. An inexperienced dancer may be very afraid of a customer falling in love when she's not on the market or she just doesn't care for him.
Profit just isn't the end all be all. If it was, then I'd be spending more money and having more fun. Of course, I'm too selective and if the dancer that I happen to like is in high demand--that happened at The Trap---then the dancer can do whatever and still have customers waiting in line.
#2. unattractive
Stealing doesn't rate a mention. And I don't complain about bad dances. I just find a girl who gives good dances.
Interesting that stealing doesn't rate a mention for you. Except for losing the services of the dancer where she otherwise does an excellent job it wouldn't merit mention for me either. Unfortunately, even if she just stole small it takes the fun out the dance for me.
#2 - fat and out of shape
#3 - sits down and makes no effort to hold a conversation
#4 - dumber than a fence post
which in some clubs doesn't leave many left, does it?
What is it with the garlic / sulfur breath? Are they all blowing the bouncers right before they come over and talk to me?
I'm pretty much in agreement with FONDL for the rest of the complaints.
Glad you don't see stealing as a problem. Because of my reaction to stealing (which could be wrong) I lose otherwise excellent dancers over it. Part of the problem is that I associate it with a prelude to greater confrontation in the future; there may be no correlation with that particular dancer. My interest usually is very strongly in favor of trying to avoid confrontation if the cost of doing so isn't too high.
LOOK BACK: Some of the best advice I ever got was from a cop who told me that it didn't make any difference if I was legally right and morally right. That just didn't make any difference at all. The smart decision, and I had NO IDEA how good the cop's advice was till many many years later, was to walk away or payoff or do whatever it took to avoid the system. At the time I thought it was so strange for a cop to have that attitude, but I figured he knew more about because of his occupation and experience so I did what he said. I still think very kindly of the cop who is probably dead by now because of his sound advice.
A truck crashed into my car when I was at a full stop. Fortunately, not only did the trucker confess, but a nice person stopped and told the cop everything. So the cop tells me he doesn't want to write a ticket because it will cause the insurance rates to skyrocket and the Bureau of Financial Responsibility will gets its 2 cents in demanding that at fault or not you will be required to buy more expensive insurance which is a "benefit" to you. It is a "benefit" that is why fault is irrelevant. ******These weren't the exact words of the cop of course, but he was telling me even though I was at fault I would get SCREWED. 100% correcto mundo!******
It was a Georgia case, I believe where the U.S. Supreme said NO, if you want to force somebody to get the insurance which they otherwise wouldn't be required to purchase, then the state had to consider whether the driver in the accident was at fault or not. The state had yapped that it was a "benefit" and thus fault was irrelevant.
So fast forward about 20 years after that Supreme Court holding. Do I get a hearing as to fault? Do I get written findings of fact? Yeah, at the administrative level stating fault is irrelevant because insurance is of course a "benefit." So, we have years of litigation. Can't get the state trial court to provide written findings of fact or much of anything. In fact, 1 day after the petition was filed it was denied without opinion and I received it in the mail (regular first class) not even 24 hours after it was filed--more like 12 hours if that. An appeal took place and an opinion was written and part of the opinion said that I didn't have a right to findings of fact and conclusions of law--in the footnote, I think. So the case goes on and on and even gets into the federal court. Still no finding of fact of conclusions of law (but a note that due process doesn't require findings of facts and conclusions of law). Anyway, the federal judge says the written findings of fact wouldn't apply to a trial judge. Yes, but the Supreme Court said a trial judge would be held to even higher standards. So more litigation and I believe the appeal court reversed in that federal district shouldn't have decided anything. Oh gee, a court not supposed to make a decision. Whatever.
Anyway, it was a very interest case.
Perhaps I could have explained it better, but I just have so little faith in the honesty of the system that it is why bother. It is a FRAUD to me. BTW, my relative who was a practicing attorney at the time was very interested in case, but he lived in New York so I just sent him the garbage as it went back and forth. He's a relative, but he thought I had a damn solid case.
As for dances, again, I've never had a problem with the count. Stealing is absolutely foreign to my clubbing experience.
More upsetting was the courts. I looked thru some 1000 cases---I think it was 900 hundred something. Yes, hard to believe but I did. Almost all the cases were filed by attorneys; 90 per cent or greater? It has been a long time. All but 6 or 7 were denied without opinion. American justice at its finest. Of those 6 or 7 cases that had something besides just DENIED, it was like 1 or at the most 2 that gave real relief. In one case the attorney was pleading with the judge for an opinion because his client had spent so much money. The judge, my judge, btw, did write after DENIED a single case cite, which basically didn't address the issues the attorney had raised.
So this is the vaunted due process??? It is shit. The courts are mainly an extortion rackett for lawyers' fees.
Sorry, if my writing isn't too clear. The subject is very upsetting. And, more than that I just DO NOT believe in the system and I think most people do believe in it. Not too much shared ground there or united we stand bs.
I'm also thinking and this is the garbage I'm supposed to support? Those judges make a ton of money and then don't want to do even a little work. You should see how much some of these judges donate to their own campaigns. Really, they don't need a salary---they are more than willing to pay and pay big for their position of power.
Another scam involves the special chair price. Well, I almost always sit in the same exact chair besides there is no special chairs with higher prices. There are private rooms, but that is a whole different issue. The special chair price again is more apt to get me pissed than the simple over count.
Believe it or not the scams are often more about testing to see if you're a man than about stealing a few dollars. Yes, I can play the game full tilt and have been rewarded both financially and with better dances by showing that yes I do have balls. Confrontation will not be a problem. Hardly a risk free strategy even if you're very popular at the club and even if you are strong and capable of defending yourself.
Anyway, I'm really not into the he-man routine although yes I've done it. For me the cop or even the attorneys who advise it is not about right or wrong or what the law says, has the right idea. Retreat, pay off, forget about right or wrong and just avoid the confrontation. That isn't the right course for everyone, but even when I've won a confrontation I usually feel that it would have been much better to avoid all that nonsense right from the start.
EXCEPTION: Dancer is in my face way off the board. She is looking for a fight. I figure what the hell if she is that desperate to see if I have any balls we will take it as far as she wants to go. So I explode on her. The whole damn club is now watching this little drama unfold. Maybe because I'm well known and for the most part very well liked at this club things do not spiral out of control. Another dancer tries to stick up for her buddy? That girl gets put in her place instantly and hard. Where are the bouncer and security? Well, not willing to get involved that's where. Now, if they didn't know me so well then the game would change for the worse very quickly.
Bottom line the dancer desperate for a fight became a good favorite of mine. VERY good favorite. She likes men who are willing to take a stand. My trying to avoid trouble was just getting her more pissed and more aggressive.
The dancer went from 1) being a crook, 2)giving horrible dances (yes, I will buy a second if the girl is hot enough and sometimes that works wonders), and 3) being insulting and aggressive, to giving some "free" dances and giving fantastic GFEs. It was intense and a hell of a lot of fun. And, she made a lot more money although that wasn't what she was interested in. Yeah, I know the constant idiocy that for every dancer it is just about the money. Whatever. And, if it was just about the money where is the problem???