Falling in love with a dancer
Professor906090
Have you ever fall in love with a dancer? I mean really falling in love -- head over hills, butterflies in your stomach, can get through the day without talking or seeing her -- type of love... Has it made you do things you normally would not like get out there and get a better job, loose weight, etc? Was the best or the worst thing that has happened to you? Before I tell my story, I want to see if the subject is of any interest.
28 comments
Good rule of thumb when you are headed to the Champagne room or VIP area or something similar with some dancer that you might have developed a bit of "a thing" for - remind yourself "Dancer X is at her place of work doing her job for which I am paying her"
2 strategies to avoid problems:
1. treat dancers as commodities. Problem is that some women in fact are far more interesting and attractive (to you at least) than others, and although its a good general rule, its a bit difficult in application
2. Make sure you force yourself to go to multiple clubs, and always have one in each club that gives you an extra kick or high or something similar - that way you will never "fall in love" - which by definition tends to be exclusive in nature.
I month later Ioose my job for the first time in a decade. I text her and we meet at the club. Having more time on my hands I sart seeing het more and more (PL cubed, haha!)and soon I realized I am in love! This new, or long forgotten feeling gives me the wings. Personally I am married for 10 years, have a beautiful wife and two kids, and have no intention of ruining it.After two months of job search I have 5 interviews and five offers. I am on top of the world. I start taking my ATF OTC where I am trying to help her get a normal job, helping her with her resume, duscussing different topics. I told her that I fell in love with her and she told me that she loved me too. I knew she was lying, l knew the whole thing was wrong, I knew, I knew, I knew!... But I could not break myself away. One day I have finally figured that the way to get over her was to ask for s.., not FS, but a normall, mutually consentual one. To me ether answer would do. However, hoping for "no", I did it in such an un romantic was to insure the outcome. Still she almost agreed at first, but changed her mind afterwords. What a relief! I felt free again. At this point I caught up with SC culture having read some literature and talking to her fellow dancers. One in particular, who is now my new ATF, spend some time explaining how things should work. Shortly after our "breakup" the girl has left dancing for good having found a job she liked. We do not talk and her memory is fading away. Yet, for the money I have spent on her at the club and OTC, it has been the best investment for it has positively effected my professional life, my personal fitness, my self esteen,romantic things that I do to my wife, list goes on. What can I say, life happenes and I am greatful to have that crash-course in SC culture...Anyone wants to laugh?.. I do.
Falling in "love" with a dancer is wonderful. It means she did a fantastic job. I go searching for that and sometimes get lucky with the rare dancer who is willing to provide that service. It is a ton easier to find a woman who will have sex for money, imo.
Perhaps I wasn't really in "love" because I didn't want an unpaid relationship no matter how crazy I was about the dancer----that is a real turn off regardless of what the woman does for a living. But, the feelings were intense, which surprise surprise was excactly the type service I was trying to find.
So, some PL is crying about falling in love and I'm thinking you lucky blanking bastard found a dancer capable of making it that real and you're complaining? Lap it up like the sweet honey it is. Just remember Just Say No to an unpaid relationship even if that is what she wants. Free isn't really free. There is a hell of a lot that goes into a relationship and it is gee why go there? I guess if that is a person's need then that's what they have to search for.
You obviously are new to the site. There are several of us on this site that have found (or find) themselves in that predicament, and a lot has been written about it. (you might want to read through the discussion board topics - I'm sure you will find a lot of interest there)
Anyhow, (sorry to all of you out there that have read about me and my "problems", 'cause here it comes again) I am currently "suffering" from what you describe.
Just over a year ago, I was on a business trip and visited one of my fav clubs. I arrived not much before closing, and spotted her on stage. I knew she was the only one dancing that night that I had any interest in. After her stage performance, I grabbed her and we went back to VIP. I kept her back there until closing - an hour, and asked when she worked next. At that time, I didn't have "a thing" for her... she just turned me on BIG time, and was fun to be with. I gave her my card and ask that she call me when she worked next, and she said I'll be here tomorrow night.
Of COURSE, the next night I visited the club, but I didn't see her. Disappointed, I still was able to find a dancer to have fun with.
The following night, I was heading to another club to look up a dancer that I'd had a long-term OTC relationship with - mostly business, and my phone rang... it was soon-to-be Miss ATF. She apologized for not being there the night before, but said she was there tonight and asked if I was coming to see her. Of COURSE!
That night, I spent about 7 hrs with her in VIP. We worked out a deal with the DJ to take her off the list, and we spent the time exclusively together - 'cept when she had to take a "potty break". About mid-way through the night, we were DFKing (I left the club with chapped lips... hadn't done that much kissing since high school... maybe not even then) That night, I knew she was special and I realized that I could fall for that type of girl.
The last night at the club during my trip, found us in VIP the whole time again. I was downright depressed at the thought of saying goodbye to her, I thought - hoped - that she felt the same.
To keep an already long story from getting TOO much longer, I was able to visit her at the club about once a month for the next several months, and in between, we spent a lot of time talking on the phone. After "working on her" for quite some time, I finally talked her into seeing me OTC. Since then, when I see her, it's always OTC. We meet, go to lunch, putz around town, then head back to my hotel. NOTHING sexual to this point, other than DFKing.
At this point, I should inject that fact that we are BOTH married and both have kids. The interesting twist to this is she is in the process of getting divorced (not because of me), and things aren't real great at MY house either... I could be "talked into" becoming unattached, too.
Yes, I've fallen in love with her. It's a feeling like none other that I have had in my life - even with my wife. I've never needed to be with someone so strongly... never had the proverbial butterflies just thinking about someone... never so anxiously anticipated the next time that I see her... I've confessed to her that I have feelings for her, but not gone so far as to mention the L word. She hasn't reciprocated in so many words, but during the frank talks that we've had, she has implied it. The last visit (three weeks ago), she explained that while she is still married she does not want to be unfaithful, however surprisingly she asked that I "wait for her".
Back to reality. I admit, I could be the victim of stripper shit. She could be an extremely accomplished manipulator. The fact that she's never said anything more encouraging than "I really like you", never really led me on. Especially since I also know better than to think otherwise. I've been going to clubs for 20 years... I've seen and heard everything. But still, I'm 90% convinced that it's the real deal. If it weren't for what she does for a living, I'd have no doubt.
The main thought that came to mind as I was reading your post was ENJOY THE MOMENT.
Don't worry about looking like the fool. Think of it as asking girls out. Who is getting the trim? The guy worried about being shot down? (Sometimes girls, even women, can be fairly hurtful, btw.) No, it is the jerk that really isn't too worried. He understands it is a numbers game. There aren't any women who are too hot for him because he knows if you don't try you won't even have the opportunity to fail with the too hot women.
I'm fairly shy. Yet some women see me as being overly aggressive and that is the case sometimes because I understand that that aggressiveness is rewarded overall. The main negative is that at heart I'm a shy guy.
Also, looking like the fool facing a chorus of I told you so's shouldn't be a concern either---just try and limit the damage as much as possible. If the risk is worth the reward . . . .
Good luck, what ever course of action you decide on.
I could be wrong, but I have a theory that a good share of us PLs that hit the clubs (and/or OTC) are shy guys at heart. I was the guy in high school that missed out on a LOT of girls, simply because I didn't ask them out for fear of rejection. Once I started clubbing, I became a little more confident (of course especially ITC). It also helped OTC, as I pursued (and caught) several "regular, non-dancing" girls for extra-curricular relationships - all of which I was quite shocked to have been able to succeed with. As my success improved, so did my level of confidence. I AM still that shy guy, but in the right circumstance, I can come out of my shell. During my last experience ITC, I'm pretty sure that the dancer I was with had NO impression whatsoever that I was a shy guy.
As for your advice, I AM enjoying the moment. I'm not the least bit worried about looking like a fool. The downside is, I have visions of her and I becoming much more than what we are today... perhaps even ending up "together". That is both exciting and scary to think about.
Limiting the damage... of course I am trying to do so, but if things don't work out, it WILL be fairly devastating.
It seemed like from your prior posts that you were worried. You asked how can a person be sure? And, placed a lot of emphasis on being hurt if it turned out she was just being a manipulator. I said that could be true of any woman and that it sure as hell isn't limited to strippers. Getting burned is part of the process. Some people cut out the fun stuff in reaction and others shrug, feel the hurt, and move on to the next opportunity. People just cope and react in different ways.
Let's say you were right about this woman. Would you still be a PL or would you be perceptive and daring and successful? When I think of a PL, I'm thinking of a strip club customer who just takes as true an ordinary stripper performance. He was no ability to see just basic warning signs or obvious weaknesses in her act. He has some delusion that feeling her up for a half hour somehow turns them into bosom buddies because his NEEDS are being met.
The greatest PLs by far, imo, are those guys who want a dancer but are so afraid of getting burnt or being the dummy that they sit on their butt. If she is that wonderful, then make the play and see how the game plays out. Normally, I just don't consider the above scenario reasonable even a little bit, unless the guy grew up around working women.
Maybe that is where we differ.
Now DougS is probably the KING of "Falling In Love With A Dancer" thing.
I truly believe he is IN LOVE, but I am unsure of his ATF! I can't figure out if she is stringing him on, if what she says is SS, or if she has honest intentions of leaving her husband. If it is any of the latter, I hate to see my buddy freaked out. I know shadowcat has had this experience once himself.
As far as myself, at 61 and widowed since 58, I don't think I really WANT to fall in love. I can show, express, and give love, but don't think I can hold on to love very long.
However, going to strip clubs and meeting young and middle aged dancers, has driven me to looking my best. In the past year and a half, I workout almost daily (BoFlex), go to a tanning salon, get massages, eat healthier. I like to hear the comments from dancers (either SS or truth) that I look fantastic for my age. It's an ego trip, for sure. I feel much better when I do things. Mr Happy responds more vigorously. So, I guess you could say that 'strippers' have changed my lifestyle greatly.
Like others, yes, I have fallen in LUST with dancers, but not close to LOVE. I couldn't see me marrying a "dancer" (let alone any other girl) about 40 years my junior. And, my daughter would literally KILL me probably! LOL
I hadn't even talked with her over the past several months even though I've been in the club 20 times since and seen her from afar etc, so today she came up to me turning on the charm (apparently because my ATF isn't there today) so we do one regular 15 minutes champagne room - and her new pitch is she is "looking for a married guy to have an affair with, who will be faithful, (she is afraid of germs and STDs etc), however basically she's looking for a cheating faithful guy. I didn't even pursue it, nor would I really want to, and in any case sounds like classic SS.
The girl is a level 9 knockout, Playboy bunny quality, but what unwound it for me a few months ago the 2nd time I met her, she appeared to be a touch crazy, claimed to use her vibrator while driving her car, is hardcore bi, plus was into witchcraft at some level - all combined to undo the deal for me a few months back
I think the name "strip club love" might be appropriate, as its a subset of a more real "being in love". You are seeing someone absolutely looking their best, who is being paid to pretend to be intensely interested in you. Its part of the alternate reality of strip clubs
That's too bad whghlost. For me the cash is a cure all for intense emotions like that. (Apparently there is some rule that you aren't allowed to care about dancers at all. Weird, imo.) Not saying it should be like this for you, but for me pay for play is the only way to do it as a very effective form of protection. It is difficult for me to understand why a man would want to get away from that unless he is truly broke and also feels he has met his one true love. Even with the one true love, try and negotiate for the right to make future payments!!! :)