Yesterday a dancer new to TUSCL posted a picture. One member posted in response “yuck.” What the fuck? Was that really necessary? A new dancer comes on the site, posts pictures like all get asked to do, although few do, and a member feels compelled to insult her? No one made you look at that picture. How hard would it have been to just click to the next page? I see plenty of dancers on the site who are not my cup of tea, but I managed to avoid posting insulting comments on any of them.
I don't spend a lot of time in the "stripper photos" section. On occasion, though, I've gone in there, seen something like that, and I've PMed the commenter with something like "Help me understand how posting that comment to her image is a good thing. Consider that she's going to get a notification about the comment, so she will see it. And she's just a person working a job. Maybe just glide past the images of dancers that aren't for you. It's not hard."
The sample size here is pretty small, but the most common response is a quick "You're right. My bad." For whatever reason, some guys don't make that connection that there's a human on the other side of the posted image. That's not an excuse; it's still bad behavior. But sometimes a gentle reminder does the trick.
sigh ... I posted before I saw nicespice's post. After taking a deeper dive into that customer's profile, it appears that he's probably not a "gentle reminder" kind of guy. He's an asshole.
Whenever I see a lot of the elderly on here bitching about a stripper not being their particular cup of tea (or Metamucil may be the more fitting beverage), I'm often reminded of this clip from Seinfeld, telling his uncle Leo he ought to be grateful...
As I've posted in the past, strip clubs attract all kinds of people including their fair-share of shitty-ass-people whether it's staff, dancers, and/or custies.
Idiots like the one mentioned in the OP is a reminder to us custies the kinda shitheads dancers gotta deal with from time-to-time.
“Consider that she's going to get a notification about the comment, so she will see it”
I’m like you. I rarely visit that section. In fact, I forgot it was there it until this thread reminded me of it. Personally, I don’t have much interest in a random photo from a dancer in some unknown club I’m likely never to visit. So I would never make a comment.
I guess I never realized the dancer received a notification
(I would say, this situation differs from Icee posting troll photos of generally unattractive girls and asking us to rate them)
It's not the first time he's done something like that. He posted pics of dancers at a club in NJ on his profile and added unflattering titles.
It's unfortunate. I have zero problems with insulting another dude who I think says something asinine on here, but IMHO a different level of sensitivity applies to a girl who has the courage to put herself out there on a site like this. The better part of valor is just to keep your opinion to yourself when you see something you don't like.
But as sad as it is, it's not something I can feel outraged over. Take any group of people and you'll find a certain percentage of them who feel entitled to crap on others, regardless of the circumstances.
I disagree with the subject commenter, she's ok. I'm not sure he fully understands what this site is for. Several slammed Skittles. another dancer a while back. She's ok too.
I am late to this discussion, but I will pile on and call people that insult dancers assholes. This is a free speech forum but guys use some common sense. Not all dancers are everyone’s cup of tea. If one is not to your liking just let it go. Not every dancer who posts here has the self assurance of nicespice, Blah, and a few others to dish shit back at you and keep on going. Some dancers are just feeling out the way in the world and they need and appreciate words of support and not scorn.
Founder has brainwashed this forum, trying to equate free speech and the essential exchange of ideas, with hate speech, which is never acceptable, the biggest loudmouths here hide behind the false equivalency of pseudo free speech.
Rick when did he post pics? I think i saw his profile and he doesnt have any photos uploaded? Ifs the jagger user the yuck commenter?
Icee im not sure why you say that because youve talked about desires to destroy google headquarters, attack right wingers, landlords, attack people who solicit dancers etc so its far beyond even speech
I'm just salty because people are still naming extras dancers in reviews. And I learned earlier someone accused a TUSCLer of posting a review about her and it described her car and license plate number or something. I don't believe anyone who's commented here would approve a review with that info, but I have little faith in other site members.
And the person this topic is a about is an incel pos. I'm understanding more and more every day why r/stripper is so anti TUSCL and against all customers and males.
Bubble said "I'm just salty because people are still naming extras dancers in reviews."
That's understandable. But, getting an overwhelming majority of reviewers on board with this will take time and more guys calling them out on it. Keep in mind that this site has been operating for over 20 years, and this trend against naming dancers is relatively new. So, community pressure will do a lot, but it will take time. Compared to what it's like since I came on board, there has been quite a lot of progress. Also, there's the reality that there are *many* users here who never see the debates that take place on the message board.
But to get to 100% compliance will require some sort of shift from founder, which is less predictable. I think things like naming extras dancers should be the TUSCL-style "yelling fire in a crowded theater" exception to free speech. That said, it's not my sandbox.
It's common sense to not name dancers in reviews. Those reviews get posted because those who approve them agree with naming dancers. The problem on tuscl is a tiny overly active minority
"It's common sense to not name dancers in reviews"
Uh, wrong. The difference between a strip club and any other bar, and your main spending in a club, is the dancers. Surely, clients want to know who provides a good experience (however defined) and who rips you off.
Only time that's not the case is when the girls are damn near homogeneous and interchangeable, like Tijuana or FKKs.
Naming girls is fine, but not outing extras girls. There's a huge difference and a plethora of reasons why that have nothing to do with LEO. I just got into it with a different incel pos keyboard warrior in comments for a Seattle review.
Bet they'd stop if their spouses were to find out! 😇 Most of *those* guys here can dish it, but not take their own medicine if it came to it. Our buddy is back, too, with a new username.
Icee,
People have been falsely accused of murder, doesnt mean murder doesn’t happen.
Just because you or some other terrorist has falsely accused a dancer of something doesnt mean each time someone calls a dancer a rob theure lying. There are actual robs out there. Each club might even have a few.
Youve stated you want to destroy corporate headquarters of google and any public company, attack landlords, attack and rob strip club clients, and attack right wingers.
You also dont want prostitution legalized because you dont want tje competition it creates for strip clubs and you dont want your stripper girlfriend to have more competition.
You know what, if TUSCL was not an online format, but rather we were all sitting around in a circle discussing things, how long would it be before someone got an old school beat-down?
It's a damn shame we can't just kick this guy's ass.
^mate I doubt anyone will deliver a beatdown to someone calling a woman yucky. Maybe icee would do it. But he prefers the pepperspraying balls technique
That guy is just an asshole - and if there was any question about whether he’s an asshole - his comment confirms it.
There are Liked and Dislike options already. Do we need an Asshole option too? I already pretty much know who the assholes are - but that one was a new name for the list.
I just had a short PM exchange with Jaggerish where, despite my attempts to be civil, he was decidedly not civil. No need to reproduce the conversation in this thread. His reply to me was not dissimilar to his replies here:
I hadn't seen the photo you guys were talking about until CMI posted the link. There was plenty of encouragement to balance out an outburst from one particular person.
Also hadn't noticed jaggerish was posting on the boards until you guys called him out by name. Rather than make a new troll we should probably just let this one go.
This is a privately owned website, so any first amendment free speech issues don't apply here except the few restrictions laid out by the Supreme Court. The owner decides what goes on here. He has decided someone can say "yuck" to a photo and anyone else can then condemn that person for doing so.
There has been a lot of attempts in recent years by would-be censors to confuse the issue of free speech. First amendment restrictions along the lines of "don't yell fire in a crowded theater" and libel or slander laws restrict some speech. Increasingly, though, anyone saying something offensive is accused of "hate speech". If you give government the power to censor "hate speech" the government can censor any unpopular opinion just by labeling it "hate speech". Freedom of speech is then gone. Most countries never had free speech and Americans should cherish it. Every would-be tyrant or dictator doesn't want freedom of speech.
Contrary to popular belief, it is not, in fact, illegal to "yell fire in a crowded theater." However, what *is* true is that if one *does* so, and the theater is not, in fact, on fire, and anyone gets hurt or property is damaged, or the theater suffers some financial harm, one will be held responsible for those injuries, damages, and harm.
But if you yell "fire" and everyone ignores you, nobody gets hurt, and no damage or harm occurs, you're just a stupid looking dumbfuck, not a criminal.
@DS
Hate speech is characterized as slander inciting hatred or violence saying thing you know to be untrue to intentionally slander, you keep saying the same thing but it iisnt correct, I don’t need to define it, the intent is what defines it
Hate speech is speech, gestures, conduct, writing, or displays that incite violence or prejudicial actions against a group or individuals on the basis of their membership in the group, or that disparage or intimidate a group or individuals on the basis of their membership in said group
GMD and docsavage from my understanding it is illegal to verbally threaten someone or threaten someone else correct? But not illegal to encourage other people to behave violently? So if you directly threaten to attack someone you can get in trouble but if you tell someone they should go around attacking someone its not illegal?
Saying certain speech incites violence is often a matter of subjective interpretation and is therefore open to abuse by government officials who want to engage in censorship. You can't look into someone's mind and see what their intent was. You need objective, not subjective, measures of what constitutes acceptable speech. It's especially important that people be allowed to criticize government officials. You don't want government officials to be solely in charge of what is acceptable speech involving them. Me saying something derogatory about a government official and then a crazy person hearing it and getting angry and shooting that government official is a situation that some would say is one that justifies censorship. I would not agree with that.
Saying "yuck' to a stripper photo is more a question of what constitutes good manners. It's not really a first amendment issue and the subject of hate speech or the first amendment is not really involved there.
20fag. You won't block me because you're only here to troll and attack me. Only reason I haven't blocked younis because of your incessant trolling and attacks. You want me to stop calling you out. Stop trolling me. Block me it's that easy
Incitement is illegal. And unconstitutional as the first amendment doesn't protect it. But it gets tricky when it comes to he incitement based on imminent vs indefinite time scales
There shouldn’t be any protections to hate speech and a lot of people promoting the hate speech stuff will openly insult certain races they dislike but if its a race they like they will say hate speech. The point of freedom of speech is to allow offensive, uncommon, disagreeable or hateful speech otherwise you wouldn’t need any law allowing free speech
The only exception to free speech should be making threats, if you threaten to attack or shoot someone they should be able to use force in response. If you instead ask someone else to please attack this person, that should be fine and its the other persons decision to act on it or not, they take the responsibility for their actions.
More made up shit from the biggest troll here, I’ve been here for over 20 years and you weren’t here now you came on this board because you are a self despised prick and only post content that you think you can turn into a flame war.
We’re all aware of your shenanigans and they don’t work any more, you should leave before you get 86ed because it’s coming. Not a single regular wants you here, I’ve received DMs from over a dozen members complaining that founder hasn’t banned you in just the last 3 days.
We all agree on only one thing, you don’t fit and we don’t like you.
The freedoms given to us in the Bill of Rights are amongst the most important freedoms guaranteed by our government. Later amendments guaranteeing the right to vote to women, minorities, and the freedom to responsibly ingest mass quantities of alcohol are equally important, but that is not within the scope of this thread. Freedom of speech, the freedom to express unpopular opinions was the first amendment for a reason. Had it not been for Thomas Paine's "Common Sense", Patrick Henry's "Give me Liberty or give me Death" speech, and other equally historic written and spoken admonitions for revolution, there never would have been this shining city on a hill, the United States of America. Tyrants, whether King George or the Woke Left, need to suppress and punish independent and dissident thought and thinkers. Ideas, like a virus, are contagious and spread exponentially. Attempts to define and legislate hate speech are no different. One guy says "yuck", and everyone attacks him. Just voice your differing opinion and move on. There are far more important things going on than somebody on an obscure website chat board who isn't into fat housewives.
Pertaining to the guy who said "yuck", I never insult strippers. A number of my regulars over the years have said customers frequently make derogatory comments about their looks. You have to have a thick skin to be a stripper. The sensitive type is driven out of the business by things like that. One time I visited my all-time favorite. She looked like she was about to cry. I asked what was wrong and she said a customer said she was fat. She wasn't fat. Some customers are just misogynists who hate women. They drive off strippers who normal customers would enjoy getting lap dances from.
Icee is literally the dumbest, most useless sperm cell on the planet. Hate speech laws are the epitome of Unconstitutional. That's whay the fecal waste called progressives push them. No wonder everyone hates Icee.
Interesting thread. What I found interesting was that fool Ishmael had a discussion with the person in question. Why did you go out of your way to do that? To lecture him? If he told you to fuck off, good. That's exactly what he should have said. You must think you are some sort of authority on here. Hate to bust your rubber but you're not. The comment in question was better left unsaid but to chase someone down to lecture them is pathetic.
Sometimes, I think it's better to message someone privately so that you're not "calling them out" with in public. The lack of an audience often reduces the chance of escalation.
My message to him was, basically, "I saw you post this to her image. Don't you think it would be kinder to just not comment on the dancer images that aren't what you like?" We could have had a civil chat with no other participants, but that's not what he's all about. And I have had constructive PM conversations with a few users here regarding things that we didn't agree about. And I believe that's because neither of us were working with a studio audience.
Apparently, that's not what you're all about either, as you have an axe to grind with me because you didn't like my opinions regarding ThatxGuy85 repeatedly connecting dancers by name to extras and STD rumors. All of that is gone now, because that idiot had his entire profile deleted. But I still remember why you've got a hair across your ass.
—>“And the person this topic is a about is an incel pos. I'm understanding more and more every day why r/stripper is so anti TUSCL and against all customers and males.”
I’ll just take this time to give a shout out to doctorevil, since he was the first person I ever met from this site IRL. Without him and some other individuals I met since then, my views of the site members here are better than they might have been otherwise.
@nicespice, I've met a decent amount of members, too. When I met Heaving recently, he had so many good things to say about you.
I also don't have an issue with *most* of the members who frequent this discussion side of the site. The ones I was referring to are the Thatxguy85 type of dudes.
I just checked the photo and comments - and it appears jagger has doubled down on being an asshole. It’s obvious he isn’t interested in a reasonable discussion (based on Ishmael’s comments).
This is not a matter of "free speech" - it's someone being an ahole - if the argument is made that he has a right to be an ahole; fair-enough; and just as fair he's called-out for it.
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I advocate strongly for this site in dancer groups when girls call many of the common discussion participants out, but maybe I should stop.
I would love for that user to post a photo of what they look like.
I’m far from shocked.
One example.
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7126…
The sample size here is pretty small, but the most common response is a quick "You're right. My bad." For whatever reason, some guys don't make that connection that there's a human on the other side of the posted image. That's not an excuse; it's still bad behavior. But sometimes a gentle reminder does the trick.
https://youtu.be/E8t9JEROAzQ
Idiots like the one mentioned in the OP is a reminder to us custies the kinda shitheads dancers gotta deal with from time-to-time.
I’m like you. I rarely visit that section. In fact, I forgot it was there it until this thread reminded me of it. Personally, I don’t have much interest in a random photo from a dancer in some unknown club I’m likely never to visit. So I would never make a comment.
I guess I never realized the dancer received a notification
(I would say, this situation differs from Icee posting troll photos of generally unattractive girls and asking us to rate them)
the pornstar and other chaturbate model he posted about arent as hot as the yuck dancer. He seems to have his own odd type
It's unfortunate. I have zero problems with insulting another dude who I think says something asinine on here, but IMHO a different level of sensitivity applies to a girl who has the courage to put herself out there on a site like this. The better part of valor is just to keep your opinion to yourself when you see something you don't like.
But as sad as it is, it's not something I can feel outraged over. Take any group of people and you'll find a certain percentage of them who feel entitled to crap on others, regardless of the circumstances.
I think that’s a fair compromise. It’s not infringing on “free speech”
Icee im not sure why you say that because youve talked about desires to destroy google headquarters, attack right wingers, landlords, attack people who solicit dancers etc so its far beyond even speech
I'm just salty because people are still naming extras dancers in reviews. And I learned earlier someone accused a TUSCLer of posting a review about her and it described her car and license plate number or something. I don't believe anyone who's commented here would approve a review with that info, but I have little faith in other site members.
And the person this topic is a about is an incel pos. I'm understanding more and more every day why r/stripper is so anti TUSCL and against all customers and males.
That's understandable. But, getting an overwhelming majority of reviewers on board with this will take time and more guys calling them out on it. Keep in mind that this site has been operating for over 20 years, and this trend against naming dancers is relatively new. So, community pressure will do a lot, but it will take time. Compared to what it's like since I came on board, there has been quite a lot of progress. Also, there's the reality that there are *many* users here who never see the debates that take place on the message board.
But to get to 100% compliance will require some sort of shift from founder, which is less predictable. I think things like naming extras dancers should be the TUSCL-style "yelling fire in a crowded theater" exception to free speech. That said, it's not my sandbox.
Uh, wrong. The difference between a strip club and any other bar, and your main spending in a club, is the dancers. Surely, clients want to know who provides a good experience (however defined) and who rips you off.
Only time that's not the case is when the girls are damn near homogeneous and interchangeable, like Tijuana or FKKs.
People have been falsely accused of murder, doesnt mean murder doesn’t happen.
Just because you or some other terrorist has falsely accused a dancer of something doesnt mean each time someone calls a dancer a rob theure lying. There are actual robs out there. Each club might even have a few.
Youve stated you want to destroy corporate headquarters of google and any public company, attack landlords, attack and rob strip club clients, and attack right wingers.
You also dont want prostitution legalized because you dont want tje competition it creates for strip clubs and you dont want your stripper girlfriend to have more competition.
It's a damn shame we can't just kick this guy's ass.
There are Liked and Dislike options already. Do we need an Asshole option too? I already pretty much know who the assholes are - but that one was a new name for the list.
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=12566
I don't think this guy is big on epiphanies or introspection...
Wow, who would have guessed?
Also hadn't noticed jaggerish was posting on the boards until you guys called him out by name. Rather than make a new troll we should probably just let this one go.
There has been a lot of attempts in recent years by would-be censors to confuse the issue of free speech. First amendment restrictions along the lines of "don't yell fire in a crowded theater" and libel or slander laws restrict some speech. Increasingly, though, anyone saying something offensive is accused of "hate speech". If you give government the power to censor "hate speech" the government can censor any unpopular opinion just by labeling it "hate speech". Freedom of speech is then gone. Most countries never had free speech and Americans should cherish it. Every would-be tyrant or dictator doesn't want freedom of speech.
But if you yell "fire" and everyone ignores you, nobody gets hurt, and no damage or harm occurs, you're just a stupid looking dumbfuck, not a criminal.
Hate speech is characterized as slander inciting hatred or violence saying thing you know to be untrue to intentionally slander, you keep saying the same thing but it iisnt correct, I don’t need to define it, the intent is what defines it
Saying "yuck' to a stripper photo is more a question of what constitutes good manners. It's not really a first amendment issue and the subject of hate speech or the first amendment is not really involved there.
The only exception to free speech should be making threats, if you threaten to attack or shoot someone they should be able to use force in response. If you instead ask someone else to please attack this person, that should be fine and its the other persons decision to act on it or not, they take the responsibility for their actions.
We’re all aware of your shenanigans and they don’t work any more, you should leave before you get 86ed because it’s coming. Not a single regular wants you here, I’ve received DMs from over a dozen members complaining that founder hasn’t banned you in just the last 3 days.
We all agree on only one thing, you don’t fit and we don’t like you.
My message to him was, basically, "I saw you post this to her image. Don't you think it would be kinder to just not comment on the dancer images that aren't what you like?" We could have had a civil chat with no other participants, but that's not what he's all about. And I have had constructive PM conversations with a few users here regarding things that we didn't agree about. And I believe that's because neither of us were working with a studio audience.
Apparently, that's not what you're all about either, as you have an axe to grind with me because you didn't like my opinions regarding ThatxGuy85 repeatedly connecting dancers by name to extras and STD rumors. All of that is gone now, because that idiot had his entire profile deleted. But I still remember why you've got a hair across your ass.
I'm sorry that you're triggered.
After your pleasant message to jaggers, what was his response?
I’ll just take this time to give a shout out to doctorevil, since he was the first person I ever met from this site IRL. Without him and some other individuals I met since then, my views of the site members here are better than they might have been otherwise.
^^^ this makes perfect sense to someone that enjoys incessant trolling and attacks. 🤭🤡😂😂😂
I also don't have an issue with *most* of the members who frequent this discussion side of the site. The ones I was referring to are the Thatxguy85 type of dudes.
Is he such an asshole that he’s embarrassed to properly represent as a NJ pervert!?