Having to work around her SOs schedule

To me, imo only, there’s too much be and risk of being around scum behavior to arrange an otc encounter like that. To each their own, but it just screams drama and most people I assume would t be able to relax during the final exploits when your frolicking each other. Maybe that slice is what you’re looking for, and I’m too vanilla. Again, to each their own. I get too paranoid thinking about those who have nothing to lose fiddling around with my life where I feel I got a lot of responsibility that thugs with jealousy running through their veins have less.

Mate, they almost all have SOs, whether they admit it or not. If a girl goes OTC to make ends meet, she is almost always hiding it from someone. In this instance the girl simply explained it to me because she didn't want me to lose interest in her. We've known each other for a while, so she knows that I don't give a shit about her relationship status and that I have my own obligations to manage.

It is really you and she both, hiding what you are doing from someone.

SJG

School of Rock, edgy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQp1RJtC…

So you're afraid of him....

And are trying to brag that you're paying to fuck his girl.

Working around someone's schedule is normal

===> "So you're afraid of him...."

No she is, as well she should be given his level of paranoid behavior.

She's just saying all that to play you. Up her rates and have the option of bailing out. It's a common hoe strategy

These girls are hustlers and anything they approach you with is with that intent

When you're a paying client

Icee how would this strategy get her to up her rates...?

Strippers arent escorts. There may be some mutual attraction in many cases of OTC strippers especially if they’re selective with OTC.

The girl very possibly has more respect for rick than her own man, as is common with boyfriend pimps.

Strippers and even escorts these days are almost never pimped out. They have a boyfriend pimp who they have no respect for, because it’s a complete role reversal where the girl is stripping for different guys and hooking up with different guys and bringing the money home while the boyfriend is unemployed and at home or working a lower income job. It’s very likely a lot of these women have more respect for their clients than their own SO. Especially if it’s not a client theyre seeing every week consistently.

Icee did you ever think maybe she likes Olive Garden and her SO won’t take her there?

Boy this thread went into the weeds fast. I know this girl well enough to know that it's likely legit.

Rick it builds a false sense of trust. Now you're special and she's taking a risk for you and us making you privy to inside info.


Bte stick to trolling sjg

Some strippers do otc with nearly anyone willing while some are very selective. Icee you’re probably aware Rics mastered the art of stoicism. Once you master stoicism, looks matter way less, even money matters way less. So its very likely this dancer actually likes rick. Its not a money/hustle relationship as you’re implying

That behavior of her SO is crazy. I wonder how common it is with stripper relationships. I have heard of civvies doing that gps phone location tracking stuff as well. It really causes trouble having to leave your phone off, leaving it in certain locations , leaving your car etc

I am gonna fart in your face rick

Fake pimp, her saying that changes nothing. It doesn't change what I'm willing to pay her and she's either available when I want her or not. Join the rest of us in the real world.

I hit a nerve lulz. Her world is the world of hustlers. She's a hoe. Your delusions are your problem

This type of drama is too much for me, I'd drop her faster than a hot potato, eventually she's going to be the central focus of a murder-suicide investigation
and I wouldn't want to be in the vicinity of the blood spattered corpses.

Tceefag doesn't have the capacity to be anything more than a one trick pony, so he keeps trying to do that same trick over and over, we've saan his trick already, time to ignore him.

Stfu great grandpa

Iceefag is so easily triggered, anyone can own that faggit even a great granpa
LULZ

I was working a dancer for OTC after her shift one night but she kept wanting itc in the vip because she had to pay for her room for the next night. She told me her SO made her put her phone on video while she slept so he could make sure she was alone. I had to give her props for ingenuity for her elaborate excuse.

===> "This type of drama is too much for me, I'd drop her faster than a hot potato, eventually she's going to be the central focus of a murder-suicide investigation"

Idk 25. I'm guessing that many of them have SO drama. We just don't often hear about it. But as odd as this sounds, when it gets to the point that I am hearing about it, the OTC experiences are often pretty damned good. When a girl spends her days caring for kids while dealing with an under-achieving malcontented SO, the club sometimes becomes a form of escape. She gets to make her money while drinking, socializing and, with dudes she is comfortable with, receiving positive affirmation that she isn't getting at home.

Now IME this is also the beginning of the end for her relationship. The guy already knows that something's going on, but he just can't put his finger on what. So he starts popping by the club and tracking her phone. I've even seen more than a few SOs camp out in club parking lots.

One time I even had a girl's husband follow us to the motel, pulling up near the room and scream things like "whore!" and "I'm going to take the kids from you!" But of course he didn't have the balls to get out of his little girlie truck (why would any grown man buy a tiny pickup?) and confront us directly. The funniest part is that she had so little concern for him that after she yelled a few choice things back at him, she actually came in and put on a great show. But this was a one time aberration and since then I've become more careful about watching my tail when driving a girl OTC.

The club can be an escape from 3very day life. But not coz of tricks trying to coerce them into fucking for money.

Rick you want your ego stroked and your constant thing on here is thinking you're special coz she takes your money to fuck. That's your mo on tuscl. 🤡

^I wouldn't be so involved, but do as you like, these guys don't have a ton of balls to confront you and her together, but the argument starts after you leave her off, and escalates especially when she starts to point out what a loser he is, so he starts drinking or doping, at that point who the fuck knows what he's capable of, but personally there's so many unattached women why do I need this excitement. keep in mind if you're hearing about this from her, she's not the brightest, smart business people don't tell their customers about the problems. that's not where the money is made.

Magicrat what room did she need to pay for?
How did she get around the phone on video while asleep?
That method seems almost foolproof? A live camera feed running while she’s asleep. Shows the SO has no trust in her though

Icee nobody is coercing, if these tricks were coercing someone theyd be arrested. Youre using big words to describe things. Also some of the dancers gitten otc with, werent doing otc with anyone else. That means there was some mutual attraction

Rick if you have a big suv or if she has one couldn’t you use the car instead of a hotel room? How much are you spending on the hotel for one session. Additionally are your dancers leaving their cars parked in the club parking lot? If the club is closed here i dont think theyd be able to park the car overnight

"Youre using big words to describe things."

That's what she said. Literally. So the other night I was asking a stripper why she was convinced I was a businessman. I'm not btw. After a little back and forth here's how I responded BTE, "It's all relative".

I had one girl with a similar situation, but wasn't worth the added drama so I stopped seeing her. The BF's behavior was similar, but she was a full time stripper and they had no kids. He also wasn't aware that she knew he was tracking her, she had put something on her phone to notify her when someone unlocked it and what apps they used and she noticed he was unlocking her phone at night and looking at maps, messages, and facebook/instagram.

She wanted to see me OTC very sporadically, when she did she was borderline desperate to do it but when she didn't she was equally emphatic. There was never a maybe or any sort of uncertainty, always 100% or 0%. She'd come over the same schedule she'd go to work, which isn't too unusual in general but she was precise with it. It was a while back so I don't remember how it came up, but eventually she said something about her other phone being at work, which led to the revelation that he tracks her on days when he can't stop in because he's working. She told me I'd seen him before and described him. She was right, I had noticed him around the club quite a few times. I'd seen him enough to notice that I had never seen him tipping on stage or talking to any girls at all. But I just assumed he was a shitty customer in some way.

On it's own I wouldn't have stopped seeing her because of that, but it was a definitely a factor in why I chose to spend more time with another girl and less and with her. After a few times of me not being available when she wanted, she stopped asking and so did I. The other girl was a bit hotter, and as long as I gave her a couple days notice she'd come over whenever I asked. Initially the other girl would overstay and not get the hint when I'd tell her it was time to go, forcing me to basically kick her out. But that turned out to just be a communication problem we fixed and were both happier after.

It wouldn't consider it the 100% deal breaker 25 did, but its certainly something that impacts the value equation.

Dolfan whats the age difference with you and the new girl if you dont mind? Do you think there’s mutual attraction, are you her only otc client and what rate are you paying.
How common do you think this hiding from SO stuff is? Some SOs actually know what’s going on and are totally fine with it since they want the extra money. All this tracking and controlling behavior is sad

Also a lot of times the drama is made up. She'll tell the trick her relationship is bad to make him think he's an escape special etc. It let's the trick know she's not single but feeds his fantasy as well. This works especially well on self professed alpha tricks like Rick. The hoes can read him and know how to play into his fantasies.

And the trick is so delusional he can't fathom that regardless of what she says. She still chooses that over the alpha trick.

===> "On it's own I wouldn't have stopped seeing her because of that, but it was a definitely a factor in why I chose to spend more time with another girl and less and with her. After a few times of me not being available when she wanted, she stopped asking and so did I."

@Dolfan: This. It's why I've only seen her OTC a few times. She's hot and a great lay to boot, but she just isn't available that often and when she is, I'm often not. In order to make it work with her I have to be willing to either to plan several days in advance, which is nearly impossible for me given my other obligations, or be available when some random opening suddenly pops up in her schedule. Every so often we'll reconnect in the club and an OTC meetup will happen, but then the connection fizzles out again due to scheduling challenges.

I realize that she has a lot going on in her life (vanilla job, kids, SO factors), but unfortunately so do I. I need someone who can sometimes respond to my last minute requests, not the other way around. I guess I'll have to settle for the occasional meetup until this one becomes her most recent ex-SO.

"She's hot and a great lay to boot, but she just isn't available that often and when she is, I'm often not."

I knew a girl like this. She became my ATF. We worked it out after many missteps and a string of spurned runner ups lol. I know I just wrote on a different thread that there's always another stripper, and there is. But that doesn't mean they're all replaceable.

Some of these girls are worth the extra effort...but if we just met and you're trying to pull some I'm Special Shit then it's the blank look or the please go away brush off if I'm feeling less polite.

You're sugar coating fucking hookers just like sjg does

"You're sugar coating fucking hookers just like sjg does"

I'm not sure who this was for, but please settle down. Nevermind trying to associate anything the rest of us post with someone who talks about turning women into sex slaves, but this is a thread about whether or not people had trouble scheduling some fun.

It's a yes or no question. Not a referendum on how people perceive sex workers. 2icee, you would do well to stop telling people about what they think. Try and figure out what you think and go from there.

Of course it's the same thing. Tling yourself you're special coz a hooker takes your money and hustles you into thinking you're different from other tricks. Is exactly the same as sjg talking about how he just gives them money but they fuck him coz he's nice to them not coz of the money.

People use euphemisms like scheduling fun for meeting up with a hoe coz they feel what they're doing js wrong.

Take a cue from rap music. It openly tLks about paying hoes like it's nothing. You'll feel liberated P.

There you go again. We're talking about schedules and you're trying to make it about something else.

Let's play:

"Tling yourself you're special coz a hooker takes your money and hustles you into thinking you're different from other tricks."

Point out where I said I was special. I try not to go around tling myself things that aren't true. It's how people who can handle the hobby keep it manageable.

"Is exactly the same as sjg talking about how he just gives them money but they fuck him coz he's nice to them not coz of the money."

I may have written from time to time about how I sometimes date strippers, because I do. I'm trying to cut back on life drama so I let that go for a while. Whatever you've written there is just rehash of something that has nothing to do with anything I've ever said but is part of your shtick.

You see yourself as trying to disillusion people who you've never met and don't really know anything about. People who took the high road when you supposedly had a personal meltdown and blew up your own online persona. I don't contradict myself online, then post a bunch of cleanup pretending that shit I've posted years and years isn't there. To make it simple for you, I'm not sloppy.

There's levels to this, and it's silly to think I'd change anything about how I post because you decided you wanted attention. There's something called discretion, which many people devalue because they're trying to win at things that literally mean nothing. What changes in my life if 2icee gives wallanon a stamp of approval?

I literally didn't even know if your darts were meant for me, but it's better if you don't follow wallanon around trying to correct "me" like you do the others. You ruin enough threads already on TUSCL picking pointless fights.

But out of boredom with a bit of procrastination, you actually got your attention and wasted it repeating yourself. I even posted this openly and not in a pm so you could have your chance to make your point.

"People use euphemisms like scheduling fun for meeting up with a hoe coz they feel what they're doing js wrong."

People use euphemisms because words matter and some recognize that more slowly than others.

Rick your main delusion is pretending to be some kind of alpha trick. It makes you feel good about living a secret life fucking hookers while pretending to be some great upstanding family man. And when they play you. You resort to belittling them like a misogynistic bitch boy.

Wallanon. Words only matter here if you're lying to yourself. It amazes me how so many in here won't just say they like fucking hookers and that they prefer hookers who work in clubs. Or don't want to admit they're just tricks. Pretending the girls care. Or belittling them for life choices. It's about knowing what you do is wrong but lying to yourself to feel better.


Either way at the end of the day you pay the girls you belittle and they're still with the men you belittle. No amount of alpha trick posturing makes you better in her eyes.

>>> Words only matter here if you're lying to yourself. It amazes me how so many in here won't just say they like fucking hookers and that they prefer hookers who work in clubs. Or don't want to admit they're just tricks. Pretending the girls care. Or belittling them for life choices. It's about knowing what you do is wrong but lying to yourself to feel better.<<<

Iceefag
Give us one valid reason why you give a shit, other than you just want to stir up shit, to entertain yourself while you're looking for anyone who might be as miserably unhappy as you are.

No, I've never dealt with anything like this (at least not to my knowledge). If I became aware that she was being so closely watched by a jealous SO, then I'd likely stop seeing her.

I like strip clubs and seeing dancers OTC by way of not wanting additional drama in my life.

"Wallanon. Words only matter here if you're lying to yourself."

I'm going to bring this back around to two things which I've already written. Whether or not you comprehend them I'll leave to you, but these'll be my final words on the matter.

1. "2icee, you would do well to stop telling people about what they think. Try and figure out what you think and go from there."

2. "There's levels to this, and it's silly to think I'd change anything about how I post because you decided you wanted attention. There's something called discretion, which many people devalue because they're trying to win at things that literally mean nothing."

I'll post something in the moment for the rest of the community to consider. Including you, 2icee. My words stand on their own, and I'm not obligated to offer time to whatever it is you've read into them. None of us owe you anything. No admissions. No denials. Nothing.

A funny thing happened to the words posted "here" on TUSCL. They connected to this thing called the Internet and the whole world could read them...

Your defensiveness and denial of facts just proves my point.

If you think you're talking in some cryptic code like sjg coz you're paranoid of le. Well you're just like sjg then.

Icee believes that because he used to pimp his crack ho GF out, he has special insights into the minds of every girl who sees guys OTC. 😂

Icee is still so caught up in his bitch getting fucked by others that he views guys who pay girls like his SO as "tricks" while he's in some special place beyond that. Even though she is long gone and getting railed by a new drug addict SO.

When he posted about almost killing himself over his crack ho ex-GF, a part of me wondered what stopped him. It's one thing to use one of these chicks as a casual play toy and then send her home, but quite another to be the one who has to actually deal with the aftermath. In a way, every guy who fucked her also fucked Icee. Idk about anyone else, but when I saw his post and thought through the reality of his life, I might have been tempted to end it too, lmao.

See now rick dugan is going to get all mean about it. Obviously trying to explain things like an adult wasn't working, so have fun.

2icee is writing thinking he's getting a reaction, which is kinda true but not like he thinks. I'm writing so that this'll have some context years from now if TUSCL is still around. Eventually the trolls always go and people forget what the fuss was about.

Rarely will you see a dancer chime in on her side of the story on these discussion Dugan starts regarding setting up otc with strippers and their SO drama. Not sure why, because everyone else comments their take on it. Women really are good at hiding the truth and they probably don’t want to give away any of their secrets.

===> "Women really are good at hiding the truth and they probably don’t want to give away any of their secrets."

You're shrouding them in far more mystery than often exists. They are human beings like any others. Some most certainly play it close to the vest, but others are more talkative, especially when they've known someone for a long time.

Wallanon is your f2f firewall as impenetrable as sjgs?

Rickdugan. Gaca was the one with the crack hoe. You're the one with a pathetic life. Cheating on journalists wife with hookers then posting about it on here bragging about being an alpha trick.

You act butt hurt in this thread coz you know I'm right. You're getting played lulz

"Wallanon is your f2f firewall as impenetrable as sjgs?"

Icee, I don't have enough of an emotional investment in any of these girls to care if what they claim is true or not. The reason I picked on your is because you post the same autistically repetitive comments in almost every thread involving dancer interactions and it's getting tiresome now.

But your involvement in this thread does raise questions: Did your crack ho ex-GF also have to work this hard just to sell her pussy? Besides the fact that the new guy is no doubt boning her much better than a sissy like you, is part of the reason she left perhaps that she just wanted to be the best ho that she could be, but you wanted to cage her like a "Disney Princess" (your words) instead? Idk dude but your sound like the biggest trick of them all. We just dump a load and leave a few cc's and Benjis lighter. You got the load brought back to your little crappy condo, figuratively and literally.

Lmao @ justifying yourself to Icey.

--> "she just isn't available that often"

With strippers, just like football players, often the most important ability is availability.

Icee you mentioned concrete thinking.
You understand just because a stripper is doing otc with one person doesnt mean she would do it with anyone even if the same money was i volved?

Some strippers are high volume otc like escorts, some are low volume and very selective. You’re assuming an otc stripper is all about money thats not the case. Just like some civvie girls will do it for money with one guy but not another. Or just like a civvie girl will get into a relationship where she’s financially supported with one guy but not another.

Icee its not that the dancer or escort likes her boyfriend better its that the boyfriend is willing to give her love and commitment whereas the trick as you call it only wants to see them for sex. The boyfriend doesnt have to pay money but he’s paying with time and loyalty

Rickdugan you don't have to be emotionally vested in them for them to impact the way you feel. Your trust. Vulnerability. Willingness to spend. They want to create a sense of trust and exclusivity. As long as it's p4p she's in hustle mode.

She's not a crack hoe. She's a recovering coke fiend. And she could hustle. I taught her a lot. She could finesse her way to 12k a month and more. Thanks to me. A good woman is an investment that pays for itself lulz

Theres nothing special or skillful about scamming people

>>>She's not a crack hoe. She's a recovering coke fiend.

>>>She's not a crack hoe. She's a recovering coke fiend.<<<<<

A difference without a distinction
LULZ

===> "Rickdugan you don't have to be emotionally vested in them for them to impact the way you feel. Your trust. Vulnerability."

Ummm, are you sure you're addressing the right TUSCLer Icee? Trust? Vulnerability? 😂

As far as your crack ho ex-GF is concerned, you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. There is nothing that you should be remotely proud of in that sad situation.

Dugan said "As far as your crack ho ex-GF is concerned, you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. There is nothing that you should be remotely proud of in that sad situation."

Silver lining... he's not remotely proud of that sad situation, because none of it ever happened except in his head. Then again, he also shouldn't be proud of his sloppy attempts at fiction here.

^ Crack whore/ coke fiend
Potato/potatoe
See what happening here.

Cim maybe you really are Indian.

20gag go have another shot of whiskey and take a nap

Rickdugan you're butt hurt by what I said coz it's true. And making up a bs narrative about me just makes you look more pathetic.

Frenulum/Taint
LULZ

How did you figure hes Indian? An indian guy I knew would always say coz like you say it

Not worth it bro. Too much going on with her. Always look for single and no boy friends

Icee you figured it out. I'm not making fun of you because you're trying to give us advice about dealing with strippers right after you just got dumped by a crack ho and almost killed yourself. Nope, it must be because you're suggesting that a dancer might actually - *gasp* - not be telling the whole truth. There you go. 😉

You're defensive coz I'm right. She played you

^ Anything's possible. But if so, what do you think was her end game? It's not changing her money or my behavior in any way. She also has plenty of other possible excuses to choose from if she felt the need to explain herself - why choose that one?

Look Icee, I get it. Your crack whore GF fed that she could carve out time to fuck other dudes that you don't trust anything that any girl says anymore. But unless I see evidence to the contrary or I know that a girl has some compelling reason to lie, I'm inclined to take what I hear at face value.

I think in her mind. She's trying to create an illusion of trust and exclusivity. Like she's letting you in her personal life and that she's willing to risk things to accommodate you. A lit of men especially missile ages to older white men like hearing stories like that. It boosts their ego.


For a lot of guys stories like that bring out their inner captain save a hoe and they do end up spending more. It opens the door to pity hustles. It's also a convenient exit strategy for her.

Whether or not you fall for it doesn't change what she's trying to do.

My goals with them are different. But I don't trust anything they say and just go by their actions til they prove what they're about.

===> "Whether or not you fall for it doesn't change what she's trying to do."

Maybe she is or maybe she isn't. I've dealt with her for a long time so what she's saying rings true, but if not then it's no skin off my teeth as it doesn't change my behavior either way. Yes in any given thread about dancer behavior your painfully repetitive comments could be true or they may not be, but assuming that every girl is always lying as a default position is neither productive nor very good from a discussion topic standpoint.

The thing is they are lying. When it's about money to them they're in hustler mode. That's what you have to remember. They're hustlers. And what truth they do share, is done so for a reason in their eyes.

If you really just want to fuck and leave then that shouldn't really matter though. But NY amount of getting involved when uts contingent on money js a hustle.

The way they'll talk to you is different from what they normally talk. The way they act. They learn how to interact with customers

They crave realness but not with customers.

Icee, for starters, let me be help you understand something. You are not a board authority on the motivations and behaviors of these girls. Some of us have been doing this for decades and have navigated more stripper hustles than you've seen titties. If I needed your opinion on what a girl could be doing in any situation, I'd give it to you.

So now that this is cleared up, when a girl is feeding me a story in any given situation, I may or may not believe it, but that never really matters. What <strong>does</strong> matter to me is how her sharing that story could impact our future interactions. If it requires no action on my part then cool. If she's trying to re-position our dynamics or my expectations in some way, I evaluate whether I want that re-positioning or not and react accordingly. If she is trying to see me more, I either agree or not depending upon my own desires and priorities. You get the picture.

So when a story like this gets shared on here, it's often about a lot more than the surface story itself. It's about what she may ultimately be hoping to accomplish by sharing it. Just some food for thought grasshopper. 😉

You're defensive coz I hit a nerve. I told you what she's trying to accomplish. You want to pretend to be an alpha trick go ahead lulz

It's like you didn't understand a word I just said. My irritation comes from the notion that a guy who got used and abused by a crack ho thinks that he's positioned as an authority on anything. I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt in treating you like a real live poster, but I'm starting to agree with 25 now that your role is that of a cosplay pimp troll account.

I didn't get used and abused by a vrack ho.

That's Gaca.

My posts are some of the realest here. Your ego is hurt coz you pretend to be an alpha trick with a system. Like a trick version of American dad lulz

Snd 20fag is a senile drink

Dugan said "It's like you didn't understand a word I just said."

You know that's by intent, right?

Cim fuck off dumb bitch snd stop telling me what I mean.

You really do sound Indian. Backhanded lil bitch nigga

^ Frenulum/ Taint
LULZ

Discussions like this make me want to revisit my ignore list, just for the entertainment value.

The real cucks have an actual cuckold fetish. They encourage their wives to sleep around. The boyfriend pimps dating these strippers or escorts seem to develop a whole different set of issues. They don’t actually enjoy their girl sleeping around, but they love money so much or need money so they reluctantly tolerate her hoeing.

Whatever makes you feel better 🤡

Of course Icee is an expert, why else would she be homeless without a job or a car?