Rock fans; when did Rock and Roll start to decline for you?
Muddy
USA
You always hear all kinds of answers to that question. I mean you look around the music landscape now, rock is pretty much completely gone from the limelight. There might be some good music being put out there but I haven’t really been hearing it.
I think I gotta put it sometime around the 90’s for me. A lot of that post grunge stuff I just cringe at. 2000’s there was still some good stuff going on but you could see it didn’t dominate the music landscape like it used to. But the past decade, Rock and Pop divorced completely. Maybe Rock as a genre really does go the way of jazz. Just think how many new Rock and roll bands/songs do you know? I got nothing.
I think I gotta put it sometime around the 90’s for me. A lot of that post grunge stuff I just cringe at. 2000’s there was still some good stuff going on but you could see it didn’t dominate the music landscape like it used to. But the past decade, Rock and Pop divorced completely. Maybe Rock as a genre really does go the way of jazz. Just think how many new Rock and roll bands/songs do you know? I got nothing.
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Since then the few rock groups I have listened to are Jack White, Greta Van Fleet (both from Michigan), Deftones and Chevelle.
Today, I find myself listening to mostly late 70s to 80s rock, some pop from that era too and not much new stuff.
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Most of the rock that is good anymore tends to be more on the heavier side that you hear on Sirius XM Turbo
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W1LsRShUPt…
And you know what I do like Nu Metal POD, Saliva, Disturbed, Korn I can’t say I don’t listen.
Hell at this point I’ll take any kind of movement at all.
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And just to relate it back to strip clubs, those rocker chicks you see are like unicorns now a days. If you come across one and she’s hot I would jump on that.
The 50s and 60s are great. The 1970s are unbearable. Can't listen to that shit. The 80s are too pop. The 90s had early grunge and real alternative rock. Then nothing til emo groups came around. Haven't heard anything I like since then
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Influences for this go back to groups like Green Day or even further back to groups like Blondie. This won't become the musical mainstream, though. Because of technological advances and easier access to a wide variety of music, there is no longer a musical mainstream. It's been replaced by numerous musical subcultures.
Topping the charts was soft shit like “Afternoon Delight” - Starland Vocal Band, “You Light Up My Life - Debbie Boone” and artists like Hall & Oates and Olivia Newton-John (RIP)
There was still some good music being made until sometime in the 90’s but this soft pop opened the door for Disco and it was down hill after that.
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Has rap music been following the same path as rock music?
I know the knee jerk reaction to the title question would probably be "no" from both rap and rock fans. Which is understandable, since the two genres have many differences. But I think they have been following similar paths throughout the decades, just at different times. This might be a little hard to explain, but here goes.
Rock music came about in the 50's. Rock was new and raw at that time, pretty basic. In the 60's the genre came into its own, laid the foundation for what was to come. The 70's saw rock branching out more, creating more diverse subgenres and experimenting. The 80's was where rock was at its most ubiquitous, and most superficial, with lots of songs about sex and drugs and parties. This continued a little in the early 90's, but transitioned into grunge. The rest of the 90's saw rock becoming more homogenized and safe. You still had angsty post grunge and alternative rock, but with some lighter stuff as well. The 2000's saw Nu-Metal (actually another subgenre of rock) become big for a while. It combined multiple genres, particularly post grunge and rap. Then, in the 2010's indie rock came along, which is softer and safer than ever. Also, rock is less relevant than ever and has been getting less so for at least the past twenty years.
Then there is rap. The genesis of rap was the 70's, where it was raw and pretty simple. Just like rock in the 50's. Then the 80's saw rap come into its own and set the standard, like 60's rock. The 90's saw rap become more diverse and experimental, like 70's rock. Then in the 2000's rap was more popular than ever, with emphasis on songs about drinking, partying, and having sex. Just like 80's rock. Now in the 2010's we've seen rap become more downbeat and less glamorous, like grunge/post grunge in the 90's.
These are generalizations of course, and obviously don't reflect everything about either genre. But in terms of the big picture, there does seem to be a parallel. Rap seems to be going along the same path, just with a twenty year difference. So does that mean rap will become less relevant in the near future like rock did? Will there be an equivalent to indie rock?
Does anyone agree with this? Disagree? Any alternate opinions?
The 90s was the golden age of rap. But like rock that meant it became commercial and that killed a lot of innovation.
Then came mumble rap . Trap. Drill. You'd get a few rappers getting mainstream and everyone would imitate their sound. But what this does is make regional sounds more popular. For example the southern and east coast shit isn't relatable to most on the west coast. So it fueled a lit of underground artists with a very west coast sound and vibe. I think we'll see a lot of it going underground and becoming more diversified regionally. But I think the current Drill artists are just a fad. Mainstream rap is going to go more melodic.
In the 2000s beats became more important than lyrics and Mc skills. It turned into pop.
But with a very west coast style. Like if rap was from California instead of NYC.
Muddy, as far as rock dying, I still love listening to it, if that’s your question. Mostly older stuff. But as far as the popularity of the genre, I think it was largely running on fumes by the 1980s. There is still plenty of good stuff from that decade but that’s also when so much sounded overproduced and commercialized.
Rock n roll can never die.
There’s more to the picture
Than meets the eye.
Hey hey my my
The king is gone but he’s not forgotten
Is this the tale of Johnny rotten?
It’s better to burn out than fade away
The king is gone but he’s not forgotten
(Terrible pun intended)😜
Jimi Hendrix was a purple squirrel. It wasn't some complicated transition from 60s music to 70s music, the dude just died. Chuck Berry, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Aretha Franklin and Neil Young didn't die at their artistic peak, But even outstanding artists are limited in the stylistic range where they are outstanding. As time goes by, the challenge to do innovative work within one's range increases.
The Stones had a burst of freshness around 1980, when they inhaled Ron Wood from the Faces. But somehow these recombinations of good musicians don't happen that much.
The Dead Milkmen and the Butthole Surfers were a couple of small oases in the desert of 80s music.
For whatever reason, new music, or at least new mass market music, primarily targets people in their late teens and twenties. So, unlikely that a whole new genre of music is going to be invented, that speaks to the psyches of us Boomers. And within Classic Rock, or probably any genre to a greater or lesser degree, it gets harder and harder to produce new stuff that sounds fresh/innovative.
Whether it's Bill Haley and his Comets, The Beach Boys, The Eagles, Van Halen, Starship, Chicago (notice how this runs the gamut from soft rock to hard rock) the genre of rock and roll does not appeal to the majority of America's current demographic composition. Urban/hip hop music started to become the predominant form of music in North America and England in the 1990s, and this process was completed during the 2010s.
If one needs a picture that conveys the modern reality of the American musical landscape, one only needs to look at the last Super Bowl Halftime Show in Los Angeles, which featured exclusively hip hop music and a grand total of one white performer (Eminem).
The wonderful music of rock and roll - and all that it represented for those that loved what America and the West used to stand for - will nonetheless live on in the memories and hearts of traditional Americans, as the nation itself continues to be consumed by globalism.
America will soon be home to no more than 25% of its founding Christian stock. In no other country would such a development be seen as acceptable, but the globalists have very carefully planned what lies ahead for the West. It can be seen every time one ventures out of their home and looks around at the drastic changes taking place. Been to Minneapolis lately? Demographics is destiny.
I have a set-in disadvantage in such discussions in that I do not take ad hominem personal shots. I merely stick to the arguments at hand. I will say only that the 2022 Super Bowl Halftime Show is representative of America's future.
I mean it’s common knowledge that North America was settled by the Norse
SJG