Eliminate extra’s from Gentlemen clubs

I think your outlook is naive or trolling, maybe both.

The real reason you should oppose hoes working strip clubs is....

Management always gets a cut.

Pimps have arrangements with management. Getting hoes working clubs is safer and brings a higher volume of tricks than working the blade

Hoes decrease the earnings afor strippers. By performing sex acts for not much money. They make it harder for dancers to earn money just dancing. Dancing is about getting the most $$$ for the least effort. Hoes ruin that by doing the most for less.

In some cases it's supporting human trafficking.

Club managers can be the worst pimps. Focusing purely on volume as well as making girls have sex with others as bribes for deals.

Hoes are the bottom tier of the stripper hierarchy. They resort to hoeing coz they can't hustle. And or are desperate. You're taking advantage of desperate women.

But this is too obvious of a troll post. Op knows thus is a trick forum

Neither naive nor trolling. Lets clean the shit. Let’s respect dancers, so really good girls come forward to dance. Looking for extra then find in those extra sites or go to legal brothels in Nevada. Why converting gentleman clubs to something else?

If places legalized brothels then they might be different locations. Of course there is the question of how much money do men want to pay to just look.

Bte all your troll profiles sound the same

Agree with 21cee. I talk to many dancers who don’t to extras. They say they don’t get enough champagne rooms because of not doing extras. Pitty

Yes, champagne room prices should be reasonable, so people don’t expect extras

^ Good luck to you, if you want to take that position, it's definitely not a popular position around here, but if you can keep it civil, I respect your right to have that opinion.
I don't believe anyone who agrees with Iceefag this is not an opinion he has, it's just his way of trolling this site and picking fights.

This just a friendly discussion! Topic closed. Please don’t respond anymore on this topic.

Discussion closed.

^

Lol, good luck with that.
The genie is out of the bottle now and isn't going back in.

Lol. This discussion topic is closed. Move on.

Topic CLOSED!

Guess I don't remember a time when the goal wasn't to fuck a hot dancer.

Topic CLOSED!

LOL you started something here bet it doesn't go the way you like.
Just as a pro tip, go to your settings and turn off notifications, at least you won't need to get a zillion notifications in your inbox

As far as troll posts go, I give this a 1 out of 10

Also, I declare this thread re-open.

Haha just kidding! CLOSED!

I can't believe it man, how many times are you going to fall for the same thing? THREAD OPEN

@twentyfive, agreed. Am not against dating a hot stripper. I don’t want all our friends in this forum to misunderstand my view. This Discussion Topic really CLOSED.

Nice to hear from legend Subra. But this Topic is CLOSED!

Thread is now Ultra Open!!!!

Thread is now so open, it's offering BJs in the VIP for $75. With swallow

Spending money jn a strip club doesn't entitle you to sex. Go get a hooker

^ Shut the fuck up Troll rapist

Please. This is request from original author, No more comments! Topic CLOSED!

I'm doing my part. I had one 50 years younger than me come to my home yesterday for the afternoon. I plan to make this a weekly thing.

We need a SW-like moderator to close threads so we can keep everyone happy

Yoda!
Yoda!
Yoda!

Myob.

ChampPhilly said "Topic closed. Please don’t respond anymore on this topic."

I know that your profile says that you've been on here since 2017, but your posts read like you joined about an hour ago. Giving TUSCLers ultimatums about how any thread should be treated is the perfect way to ensure that your thread is not treated that way.

Also, I think you're overestimating TUSCLs market influence. Even if you were to convince *every* single TUSCL user to be 100% against extras (!!!LOL!!!... ahem), I'm pretty sure that there would still be a lot of other guys walking into strip clubs wanting blowjobs. And I'm just as sure that there would be an ample number of dancers to accommodate those market demands.

Also, guys want uncomplicated sex and dancers want to get paid (preferably, a lot). So, if you think some threads on TUSCL are going to thwart those economic forces, then you're not dealing with reality. Particularly now that sex work is moving more towards being more normalized, and not towards being more taboo.

But hey ... keep up the good fight...

This topic will never, ever be closed. Your first mistake was posting. Your second mistake was agreeing with an ultimate troll-loser-douchebag. But telling us when to close a topic? No, every damn day...

Now this topic became a extra topic! Let us Close this discussion. Discussion CLOSED 🤫🤫🤫

Is there really anywhere dudes don't look for extras?
As a kid, I wanted extras from the altar girls in church.

Do handjobs count?

Some people want to do more, mutually.

SJG

^ And with this post above, your chances of closing this discussion dwindled to absolute zero.

Does anyway I can delete this thread or archive? Please no more discussion on Extras. This topic is CLOSED!

that's strange, it looks like it still might be open, is that possible?

Champphilly said "Does anyway I can delete this thread or archive?"

You can send a message to founder and ask nicely to delete this thread. He may or may not accommodate you. Other than that, no, there's no way. If that doesn't work out, then the best you can do is not bump your own thread and hope that it sinks into obscurity. If that also doesn't work out, then you live with it.

Also, call this a lesson learned.

This thread is so open, Icee just smacked it up and got it hooked on meth

There’s a little known secret that only long time TUSCL members are aware of

You can pay to have threads removed

Deposit $500 in my Venmo acct

Thanks. Just emailed founder to delete this. Fingers crossed. Extra stuff in club is cheap disgusting Rather take for a date if dancer is willing.

Why closed? Is it sinking in that you may have tainted your rep by dissing something a lot of us guys appreciate about some clubs?

Easy answer for you. Just don't go to places that provide extras.... there are plenty of them.

Chris Rock just PMed, to remind us there's no sex in the Champagne Room.

This thread is so open, LDK just asked it to stay in one place instead of switching positions all the time

^ Good luck with that.

All of that...

Ninja'd by a ninja team. The above is for Champ.

@shadowcat

You wrote and I quote:

“I'm doing my part. I had one 50 years younger than me come to my home yesterday for the afternoon. I plan to make this a weekly thing.”

Pics and Vids or it didn’t happen.

:D

Good Times, Good Times

^

Sorry cj, I doubt Shadow is the type of guy to send dick pics to an internet commie weirdo.

BTW, this thread is more inline with what TUSCL is about than 90% of the other threads, I vote for it staying open.

Who's with me?

Champphilly

Why do you want to eliminate extras? Are you a female dancer?

For myself I have never gone along with the concept of extras, I just don't approach it that way, don't relate to the women that way. Its a gimmick.

SJG

Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good - 2016 School of Rock AllStars Team 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMM5bjkK…

@ San Jose guy, I vist clubs atleast couple of times a week and a big spender. Knows some real hot dancers. Want to be within the boundary when in club. That’s it. Also, extras can transmit easily STDs, just tried to educate. But I look like a villain here. So, close this useless topic. Move on.

Sorry I'm late to the game here. I see the thread is still open. My opinion is. "Why have a strip club is you don't offer Extras ? " Anyone want to debate that ? I am very PRO Extras. :-).

All Extra likers, go start your own topic for Extras discussion. This thread is CLOSEd 🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫. No more posts here.

^ If folks start accusing you of being a troll, it's because you've earned it.

This thread is so open, SJG and I just invited it to join our Organization

And if founder thinks Subraman's Rodney Dangerfield shtick is funny enough, he'll never delete it for you.

Public Service Announcement (PSA)

Champphilly is just another cacaplop trying to swamp these forums with repetitive, stupid questions, either via his own threads or crashing other threads.

But, as always, take a look at his posting history and judge for yourself.

If engaging with his inane posts is fun for you, then go for it.

Otherwise, don't think you're answering sincere questions.

~ Call.Me.Ishmael
~ April 29, 2022

“In this world, shipmates, sin that pays its way can travel freely, and without a passport; whereas Virtue, if a pauper, is stopped at all frontiers."

~Father Mapple via Herman Melville's "Moby Dick".

All extras experts, can you share how much you pay extra to get extras? List some classy upscale clubs with extras? Let us continue the thread in more positive way.

I've lost track. Is this topic opened or closed?

^ Well that depends are you team Subra, or team Champ ?

It's the new way of getting replies to your thread. Tell people not to and they wlll reply like crazy.

People are not listening. So, it is OPEN. Now all EXTRA Experts will provide their EXTRA experiences. Fun begins!

I strongly disagree with op. Extras always been a part of my club vip experience. One girl was doing her both itc and otc. She was 26 and engaged when we met. Others were gals like when I came in on bikini day would take this 20 yo blonde bik girl to vip and fuk her.

It is also a way to evaluate a potential otc stripper sugar baby. Let the girls that play have their super day and pay. Many women who work in SC there to do extras ply their profession.

I can c how girls who don’t play may resent the competition from ones that do. As an experienced strip club player and hobbyist / generous gentleman (MBA Financial Mgr) I am there looking looking for go to girl sex enjoyment partner or plain ole vip fun. I junked traditional dating eons ago.

Poatpostpostpostpostpostpostpistpistpostpost

Most clubs have cameras, are you not scared of caught on tape while doing extras with dancer?

How can you close a topic 😩😂😂😂😂

Let me throw you a imaginary life preserver 🛟

If you want to bring back good clean fun you should definitely talk to management or a owner because any club that I did anything extra in was the culture of that club. Nothing is a secret. And people gonna do what the owner allows.

I’ve always wondered why when dancers know the nature of said club that they continue to work there just to complain. I’ve been dancing many years and trust me it ain’t have nothing to do with dancers doing extra shit in the club that is ruining it.

I’m from nyc where back in the day there were streetwalkers butt naked right outside the clubs and with all that opportunity it never stopped customers from spending money. And they were attractive.

There’s no such thing as a clean club you just ain’t got enough to make management look the other way

'All extras experts, can you share how much you pay extra to get extras?'



Sorry, can't respond, don't you know that this thread is closed?

Damn Champ, so now you're tem open is Subra okay with the switch now he's team closed, I'm so confused
🙃

This is an anti extras post. You can’t ask them how much they spend 😤

Yes there can be risk of std’s and getting one pg. Just cover it, be very particular, and evaluate the situation accordingly. Remember in dating strippers your flying jets not prop jobs (civilian women) / enjoy and don’t crash into the water. Civilian Women can have std’s too. Some those damn bitches do really raunchy low end guys. Find one good go to girl at SC who can perform well behind closed doors with little or no drama. The engaged stripper I met became my sb and fuked her thru her 3rd marriage. She quit stripping after getting mx. If you rotate different girls (been there done that) then of course risks increase.

Champ, I have never gone along with the concept of Extras. It is a gimmick. You don't really want to engage that way with the girl. You want to let her get softened up and start off by acting upon her.

SJG

Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good - 2016 School of Rock AllStars Team 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMM5bjkK…

This one is going down in history. Whenever I don’t like what y’all are saying #postclosed

It is my thread, I opened it again.

^ The hell with post closed, my dad was famous for using Archie Bunker's famous saying "CASE CLOSED"

It's not just customers who cause the occurrence of extras in the club. In a no extras club it will usually be the prettiest dancers or those with a gift for being likeable who make the money. The girls who can't compete in the looks or personality department will sometimes offer extras to try to lure customers away from the no extras girls. I pick regulars on the basis of looks and friendliness and they are often hostile towards the extras girls and want the club to crack down on them.

They are often successful at this because they usually have the law on their side. It needs to be pointed out here, though, that these laws are an attempt to interfere with voluntary transactions between consenting adults. They harm strippers who want to sell extras and interfere with their ability to make a living. So, while I personally don't like extras it seems immoral to me to have laws against them. If the girl wants to sell extras, the customer wants to buy extras and the club owner wants to allow them then the local government should stay out of it. There will always be some dancers and customers who don't want to do them and it has been my experience that we will always be able to find each other.

Any one had GFE in the club? Is it really possible?

Hell no not afraid being on tape. I use a stage name, throw down phone. The objective is to get stripper sb for otc anyway. Plus on crowded nite there lots fuking going on in vip. The lovemaking sounds can be heard on the floor downstairs. I express myself loudly lol. The girls love it!

Oh absolutely u can get gfe itc. But it takes getting a good one. Sort of like recruiting a no 1 WR for the spread offense.

I hate the stigma around girls who do extras.

I work at a club now most nights I don’t do extras and still make money. Most often then not the man that I go into the CR with we’re not doing anything but fondling. Am I ugly? Hell No. Am I on drugs? No Have I worked at clean clubs? Yep more than extra clubs

Cool. When you can have a GFE in the club, that is what something all extra lovers should try. Graduate please.

GFE inside the club?... sure. I mean, it sort of depends on what you call GFE, but broadly speaking it's more than possible.

At the same time, some dancers allow activities that many actual girlfriends don't. So, GFE isn't always the penultimate goal.

Champphilly, the thread is open and running my friend!

Champphilly, what were you refering to by kissing above waist? Do you mean kissing on lips/tongue kissing? That carries disease risks. Many dancers may not want to tongue kiss people they don’t know

Champhilly you have a lot of power, to be able to open and close the thread at whim! You are confusing us with all the opening and closing friend!

this one time at band camp.

Oh FFS. How has nobody figured out OP is trolling? CMI was close when he pointed out OP has been here since 2017 and by saying ‘thread closed’ he was encouraging more posts. Champphilly wins. Bow down as he suckered all y’all.

If one treats the women who dance in strip clubs just as you would any other woman, then with generosity Front Room Feel Up And Make Out Sessions are quite possible. I say that is the best. NEver invite her to the back room until that is happening. And pick the girl you want to be waking up in the mornings with. That way she never sees you as sitting on the fence.


SJG

Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good - 2016 School of Rock AllStars Team 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMM5bjkK…

BigThirdEye, few occasions dancers wanted tongue kissing. As I was not interested, some of them were annoyed. I agree kissing inside the club is rare, but very possible. Keeping thread open, as I see some dancer posts as well.

Jimmy he is not a troll. English doesnt seem to be his native language. He has a different way of speaking as well as seeing things. Look at his posts

I called him out on trolling in my first replies. It's bte with a different handle

Jimmy is likely correct.

DFKing can be very likely if you just treat the women in a completely civilian way.

If your going to do back room FS, that is best. And best to pick the one you want to be waking up in the mornings with.

SJG

Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good - 2016 School of Rock AllStars Team 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMM5bjkK…

Yeah, icee, and then you kept engaging

BigThirdEye, have just one review. So, not sure your comments have any value.

Sorry guys this thread is closed, didn't anyone tell you?

Champphilly thats good you decided to leave it open for replies. Remember you hold all the power here, as soon as you close the thread none of us will be able to continue to post

I just wanted some real extras stories and also hear from dancers as well. Good going now. Keep going.

Note everyone that you are witnessing a great milestone in technological progress. Champphilly is not an actual person, but the first AI to pass the Turing Test. It was trained by processing the entire message archive of stripperweb, using machine learning.

One of my OTC favs was non-extras, but she banked working at a heavy extras club. Most of the dancers were heroin addicts, and there was a fleabag hotel right next to the club. Since it's not hard to look hotter than a heroin addict, she was highly in demand for dances. She made some $ or a lot, depending on how fast the PL gave up trying to get her to go to the fleabag hotel. Then they'd move on to an addicted dancer.

Side story: a friend of a friend was a diabetic. When he passed away, he had a big stockpile of syringes. So I got them and gave them to my fav, so the dancers on heroin would at least have clean syringes available. I found out later I'd broken the law by doing that. The Rebublo-Fascists have passed laws against providing clean needles to drug users, cause apparently Jesus wants them to have Hepatitis and AIDS as punishment.

Once when I ordered a Filet-o-Fish from McDonald’s they gave me a whole piece of cheese

Best extra story ever!

Extras is a gimmick for when you aren't going to be allowed do interact freely with the girl.

SJG

Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good - 2016 School of Rock AllStars Team 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMM5bjkK…

That's why you dont comment on topic you just clog his inbox with comments.

Motorhead gets it.

You would think a member that has been around for several years and has been semi active on here would realize not to start a discussion about banning extras on this site. LOL

Of course, I also never thought I would see someone on here think that they could stop people from commenting just because they said a discussion is closed. Sorry, but you just gave a certain California nut job a platform to "educate" you on the virtues of FRMOS and every other random topic that pops into his head for the next decade or two.

That's nothing! I was in a club that served food and ordered a burger.
Only $29.95 and they not only gave me a free slice of cheese but also mustard, onions,and pickles too, FREE EXTRAS!

And lettuce too!

Tomato was $4 more, but I passed because I was already overwhelmed by the free extras!

Oh, $4 tomato is healthy than free extras! Nothing in the word comes free! 🤣

Tomatoes full of antioxidants, more healthier than so called extras! Nothing comes for free in this world. 🤣

You want to get your girl opened up and out of the strict vending machine envelope. Don't interact with her that way.

SJG

Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good - 2016 School of Rock AllStars Team 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMM5bjkK…

Had a really good extras experience eating something out of a pussy at the stage.

Too bad the thread is closed.

Lol @ dislike

Grind, you just have one review, that too approved by me this morning! So your extra story is believable. Possible, that only club is middle of nowhere.

Champphilly thank you for leaving the thread open for us to post. We wouldnt have been able to post otherwise

Champ, extras is a gimmick. Lap Dancing did not start that way. It used to be all front room. It was after the Mafia followed by Deja Vu took over San Francisco that extras become the norm.

SJG

Trolling is like violin playing. Horrible when done by someone lacking in talent, beautiful otherwise.

San JoseGuy, I understood that when so much hatred to this post. If extras clubs can put a sign saying extras available here, then I can avoid them.

Champ - extras clubs can't put up a sign that says extras available, but luckily you have a membership here at TUSCL so you can read reviews of every club in your area and determine which clubs you should go to and which to avoid.

Whody, good idea. I will read reviews before going to any new club. If TUSCL can add a category as ‘Extras Available’ , then it will be easy for me and my haters a well.

Crazy, yet still dumb thread.

Analogy. You go to a restaurant. No one makes you go. You CHOOSE to and you CHOOSE which one to go, out of tons of choices.

You order from the provided menu a dish you CHOOSE and hope to be satisfied with. But you notice steak on the menu, which you don't like (and don't order) and see dozens of patrons with steaks on their plate around the room.

You complain why the patrons are eating steak and why the restaurant is serving steak, even though you are still getting your desired dish. At the restaurant that you CHOSE. And the restaurant nor the patrons are attempting to force-feed you their steak.

The alternative. You could've just stayed home. Cooked your own meal. And jacked off.

The End.

No that's a really bad analogy.

Think of it as....


You get paid to do lap dances. But there's other people who will illegally fuck instead. So you're out of luck making a living coz you want to be a stripper not a hooker.

Or

You're selling lemonade and can only do it at a gay bar. Byt your competition includes a blow job with each cup. Would you suck dick too or try to stay legit?

21cee 👍 well said

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Wait, am I the steak or the menu?
Is she the lemonade or the cup?

The analogy is stop being a whiny bitch and have sex with the customers and if she's the lead dog with her tongue in my ass the view never changes. Boner Garage doesn't have a problem with it.

Receiving any type of extra activity in a strip club is not one of the smarter things to do for someone with human brain but if someone chooses this, they can enjoy uncontrollable mandatory add ons for extra free gifts like STDs, HIV etc. It really does not matter to me. I will meet only non extra dancers. Period. Also, non extra dancers need to be encouraged.

Lol

I see Icee recalling his days of selling lemonade in a gay bar and getting fucked daily by democrats in the ass, without lube. Almost as big of a retarded fuck as the faggot OP who should be anywhere other than around women.

This might be a self-serving view by the OP - maybe he wants less competition for his OTC overtures and cleaner girls.

wld4tatas, I want cleaner girls for regular full contact lap dance, don’t want to even go closer to the ones who provides extras. The guys into extras shit can keep those extras dancers. May be clubs should advertise as cleaner clubs and state no shit happens there.

IS this thread still open?

Yeah, it's still open.

You do real that a "full contact lap dance" could be considered "extra" in most jurisdictions since touching a stripper, especially in the body parts that most guys want to touch, during a lapdance is against the law in most parts of the US.

Since you are therefore looking for your own type of extras during dances you should probably consider closing this thread.

whodey, full contact even happens in a regular bar or night club. But, Extras means a sexual act. Please understand the difference.

Do you touch her bare breast during these dances? That would be considered sexual.

Getting hookers out of clubs requires one thing. Get rid of management that acts like pimps.

Dejavu is a model for clubs. They want to be a legit businesses and answer to investors so they crack down on illegal shit.

How many times have guys debated the definition of "extras" on this board?

From the Glossary:

Extras

Some form of genital stimulation or straight up prostitution, done within a stripclub with at least the tacit permission of management within certain limits. Usually done with your pants down, extras are classified as HJ (hand jobs), BJ (blowjobs), FS (full service), and anal.

Are strippers allowed to do "extras" at home with their boyfriends/husbands? Why would it make them dirty if they also do them for work?

May your inbox never know a moment's rest.

How can you even enjoy fucking a hooker when you over think what sex means?

Thanks CJKent_band for defining extras. How come even one can comfortably engage in a sexual extras activity when club management watching you with camera and also performer might have already contaminated by doing many extras same day or months or years? I can’t really understand the psychology of strip club extra lovers.

No.

With respect, the glossary def is still very vague (some form of/within certain limits/usually done).

Probably because there are 3 varying extras definitions happening at once: the club's, the dancer's, and the PL's.

Also, no problem with PLs requesting no extras but you'll lose an arm trying to take anyone else's steak away.

Four, If you count the witnessing dancers' definitions.

I would add being allowed to DATY as an extra. Also depends on the club. There are many clubs where extras are expected, the norm, or even the primary reason for visiting the club. HJ might be considered an extra in some clubs but a ROB move in others.

Also, the "extras" line is not between what is legal and illegal. In most clubs the two way touching, groping, stick shifting and pussy play is just normal behavior but probably illegal, too.

Simple, if your underwear down, then it is extra. There is no 401 definitions

Five, if you count potentially complaining/witnessing PLs' definitions (She was giving him x. Why won't you?).

Should probably stick with the first 3 (VIP, no other dancers/PLs watching).

I don't wear underwear. So I guess I never get any extras. :)

If no underwear, then diaper. 😉

re: Simple, if your underwear down, then it is extra.

That makes DFK, nipple sucking, and hj/fingering above/below the clothing
an expected service. I can live with that. Thanks Champ : )

I whip mine out through the fly and never take anything down. I never knew that fucking a dancer in that manner was not considered an extra. I agree with OP, extras should be eliminated. Fly fucking only.

Super Mr. Daily-Grind. Let us not complicate the definition of extra. If underwear is not down, then anything else won’t be considered as extra. So, there is some safe fun for everyone.

Is it extras if I pay her to fart in my mouth and then I swallow/gulp?

Let's say the panties are NOT removed vs when they ARE removed/pulled aside for this.

Since the thread is closed, I'll propose extras as 'any physical contact a club allows that a dancer will only perform for additional money'.
Simple, but still a wildly sliding scale.

Daily Grind, there may be clubs extras available as part of champagne room, no additional money required for extras, tips may be optional. So, either your or her or both underwear(s) down/removed/pulled aside, all considered as extras. 🫣🫢

If the club is offering it as part of the regular CR service, it's just a premium service, not an extra.
We'll have to agree to disagree.

No editing, so I'll rephrase.

If the club is offering it as part of the usual CR service/price, it's just their premium service, not an extra.

Daily Grind, I can’t argue that. If club itself offers premium 🤪service, then non premium🤫 dancers has to dance elsewhere. I tried to make our friends clean by encouraging non extra clubs, but I gave up. Fun continues.

@Denim do stripper farts have a different taste depending on whether they are filtered or not through panties?

There are non extras clubs

Don’t go to Taco Bell for shrimp carbonara

===> "Also, extras can transmit easily STDs, just tried to educate."

Thanks dude for that riveting educational moment. Who knew that sexual contact with strippers could lead to STDs? I thought that only applied to civilian women. Consider me educated, sheesh. 😉

Rick you're not fucking strippers. You're fucking high volume drug addicted prostitutes working in strip clubs. And have to coerce them to do you lulz

Rick, the real clean strippers won’t let random club customers to fuck. So, high volume multiple sex partners extras mostly transmit free gifts🤣🤣

^ Now you can close this thread.

Yes Twenty five. This thread is really closed. Thanks all for sharing your options.

Discussion CLOSED.

Unprotected sex? Feels amazing and since I am immune to all bad things, it's no problem. Life is good, just sitting here using up all of God's resources.

I guess I have to admit... I like life on the edge...

This thread is really closed. Thanks all for sharing your options & opinions

Discussion CLOSED

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Hey guys, just wanted to say tha-- wait a minute, are you guys closed already?

https://www.gotquestions.org/strip-club-…

Champ is going to go into Delilah's tomorrow night and seek approval from his favorite "non-extras" stripper by showing her this thread. Little will he know that she recently got paid a lot of money to go to some guy's hotel room and do exactly the kinda' stuff that Champ is railing against. 😉

re: since the whole purpose of strip clubs is to celebrate lust, sensuality, perversion, and immorality...

Wow. And this whole time I thought it was just a speed-dating service.

no Delilah’s. Tomorrow 8AM I am landing in Pittsburgh for business, Around 9 or 10 PM going to Rick’s Cabaret. If a dancer lies, then I can’t do much about it. But it extra ones looks like hs, it is easy to eliminate those.
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Let me sleep friends. Give rest to this thread please.

What time does the thread open in the morning?

re: extras and STDs

If only more hotties could get on board with our actual altruistic goal of accelerating herd immunity this would go alot quicker. I believe the children are our future.

*mongers in background waving arms and singing We Are The World*

minus stds.

===> "Let me sleep friends. Give rest to this thread please."

Why in the world would you let a thread on an anonymous Internet forum keep you awake? 😊

As far as the rest, thank goodness that you and the Icee troll account don't have a real clue. If the girls I take OTC were as unattractive, drug addicted and STD laden as you knuckleheads envision then I'd have to find a different hobby. Fortunately attractive girls sometimes come up short too when bill time comes around and some figure out that they have other tools at their disposal if they need them.

Yeah let's close this thread for 8 hours so the name changing troll can get his rest and dream up some other pathetic future discussions.
Wait! He posted 8 hours ago so thread is open now.

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Baurgreen why would you start a thread like this so soon after ChamPhilly closed a thread on the exact same topic. That seems a little disrespectful to him to reopen a discussion that he felt had run its course before he closed it.

Good news fellas. I've had a good long think on it, and have decided that this thread is now OPEN

^ You're too late I opened it an hour ago LOL

Ha ha - funny stuff - pretty sure Nancy Reagan said, “Just say No” to strip club extras.

Don't bother reporting a topic is temporarily closed for Baurgreen . This will pass.

Back again the Champphilly! Hacking my account is not right. Now back again!

"This thread is really closed. Thanks all for sharing your options & opinions

Discussion CLOSED"

Does that really work?

Excuse me while I cut and paste that on 400 sjg threads.

There is no way to close a thread. Stuck in a loop. Someone can tell if they got sick by extras?

Well, it's only been 23 hours since I made my last extras deposit and I still feel great.

Lol. Continue to Keep stick under observation, lucky fellow, jackpot, there may be free added on gift coating coming soon. Who knows.

I live based on the assumption that I will be both Pope and President before I ever get a venereal disease.

Alright now we’re shutting it down. Shutting it all down. Everybody out, go on, get!

Reopening now.

I've gotten a few hundred DMs asking me to clarify on how open this thread actually is. I'm afraid I wasn't clear earlier.

This thread is so open, founder is encouraging people to troll it

This thread is so open, Rick is going to ask it OTC on the 29th

This thread is so open, if it gained 150 pounds and a tan, Papi would get a lapdance from it

This thread is so open, desertscrub accused it of being a club shill

This thread is so open, its review just got denied because it didn't describe the shape of the bar or location of the bathroom

This thread is so open, BigThirdEye just started a thread asking whether this thread is open

Lmfao

I declare this thread officially closed, enter at your own risk

It's too bad that nobody has invented something that, when used properly, can protect from STDs...

Oh wait...

Thread closed. You don't have to go home, but you can't post here.

I tried to close this many times, but people keep commenting.

"This thread is really closed. Thanks all for sharing your options & opinions. I won’t be reading this thread anymore!

Discussion CLOSED👏👏👏👏👏👏 good jobj all

I closed it but I changed my mind. this thread is not open nor closed, it's the new normal

Ok I'm not sure, is this thread open, can I post now?

Now that Champphilly is back and kicked that imposter Baurgreen out of here I guess it is safe to reopen the thread. I'm glad everyone realized how important it was to keep the thread closed until Champphilly was able to come back to closely monitor the situation with this thread.

Lol!

Back open for business let’s go boys!

Sorry guys we have to temporarily close it again for routine maintenance, check back in a few minutes.

Why most of you against no extras? I lost. Think, if extras are legaal and one section of the club for extras with disinfectant filled air and other side of the club for pure entitlement? That will work amazingly

Excuse me Baurgreen, the routine maintenance process is not done yet, check back in a few minutes.

"Why most of you against no extras? I lost. Think, if extras are legaal and one section of the club for extras with disinfectant filled air and other side of the club for pure entitlement? That will work amazingly"

As silly as this sounds, up until DejaVu bought it a year ago, Crazy Horse in SF had two sections of private booths. The "clean booths" were off to the right as you entered the booth area, the girls got fired if they got caught doing extras there. The dirty booths were off to the left, extras allowed. I could be mis-remembering but I think the dirty booths might have cost more

Disinfectant air would ruin my extra experience.
I'll take eau de cunt everytime.

A girl at r/stripper insisted that rubbing her pussy juice on her neck and chest always increased her bank.
Farrah Moans or something.

And where's Beauregard? He ran this closed thread way better.

Champ, I don't really have a feeling for what you want or why you want it.

And Icey, management and staff get a cut in the DejaVu style of clubs, where they maintain a facade of legal compliance. But in our underground circuit when they were doing FR FS, there was no pretext of legal compliance. So no, there we not cuts or pay offs. Its just all unregulated.


SJG

The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we-3Y3vh…

SJG , sounds like you are really running things up in the underground arena! I wouldnt want to be one of your competitors for sure!

Champphilly, you closed the thread but people can keep commenting! Do you think it’s a glitch? What should be done to resolve?

The guy with flea on his profile needs to commit suicide. I want to obliterate that damn thing moving around on my screen. Yes that's you OSU. Go die already and take that damn flea with you in your coffin.

No extras are fine, but only If d bags like champ stay away. Once they come back extras can save us from them.

===> "Why most of you against no extras? I lost. Think, if extras are legaal and one section of the club for extras with disinfectant filled air and other side of the club for pure entitlement?"

Assuming you're not trolling (which you probably are), I still haven't figured out why you care so much about what other boys and girls choose to do with each other. Your excuses so far don't hold much water.

Any best high class premium Extras club with high class top notch dancers 9s 10s etc?

This is the Final Countdown to close the thread

5…4…3…2…1

Which reminds me of the 1980’s film The Final Countdown.

“Splash the Zero’s” - the film that made the phrase semi famous

Wikipedia says it’s the low point in the career of Kirk Douglas but I kind of liked it. Even though the director really wimped out at the end

===> "Any best high class premium Extras club with high class top notch dancers 9s 10s etc?"

Tootsie in Miami for starters. Plenty of others as well in various parts of the country, along with yet more girls who won't do that stuff ITC but will OTC for the right money.

You really need to get out more. You're narrow view of the world is leading you to make assumptions that aren't accurate. If there wasn't fun to be had with truly hot girls I wouldn't be doing this nearly as much. It's just a matter of how much they want for it.

Thanks Ricks. What about Scarlett’s FL? Is it Extras club? Any high class extras clubs in Vegas? Or NYC?

In NYC? Absolutely if you're willing to pay the freight. Don't know Scarlett's and my intel on Vegas is very old.

Cool. Liked the phrase: Willing to pay the freight! Changed the original objectives of this thread. Now focus is on best high end extra clubs

"The Final Countdown" always makes me think of the commercial from GEICO.

Cj Kent you literally still copy paste your April 29 2022 quote of Ishmael claiming he said champphilly is cacaplop he literally never said that it’s hilarious you’re pretending to quote Ishmael when he never said champphilly is cacaplop certainly not on april 29

Heaven help me, I just couldn't resist. I just had to get on this thread with a
0-value comment!!!

ATACdawg gets it.

Champ, still can't see what your real meaning is.

SJG

Pleaser
https://pleasershoes.com/collections/all…

Shirley Manson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYJ1jNnG…

SJG, I was little concerned about extras in the clubs. But after so much discussion here, realized there may be very high end club with class dancers can give premium services. Still I am not going buy myself for that but can find thos exclusive high standard extras clubs for our friends. My stand is still same, but helping my extra buddies

Champ, I don't go along with the "extras" concept and Buying Dances is a Chump's Game.

Front Room Generosity and Makeout Session, then back room, then take her home with you.

SJG

Pleaser
https://pleasershoes.com/collections/all…

The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we-3Y3vh…

SJG, I like that take her home! I prefer Hotel though. I really have seen very high class dancers asking that but demand very high expensive 🎁. So, I have to be millionaire to afford those. I spend around 400 in a club visit which is reasonable fun

I don't look at any thing as "fun" because that just means escapism.

The women in strip clubs are just ordinary women, and I treat them as such at all times.

SJG

Pleaser
https://pleasershoes.com/collections/all…

Which goes with pizza: red or white wine? We also have a bottle of Rose, but that always feels like cheating indecisiveness. Do the toppings matter? Pillsbury canned dough cooked pan style, mixed ground sausage and beef, sliced sausage links, white onions, green peppers, and a mix of pesto and marinara sauces. I was cleaning out the fridge. So Pinot Noir or Pinot Grigio?


Please close the thread after answering.

Final Touch to close this thread: An imaginative story name it as Extra:

An idiot visited club Extra. He asked the dancer for Extra. She said it costs Extra. Then did Extra. He was tired Extra. Next morning He slept Extra. When he woke up he noticed his stick had something Extra. He called the previous night girl and asked what is this gift Extra? She said consult a Doctor by paying Extra. Omg by typing this made me tired Extra.

CLOSING this thread Extra.

No more comments Extra!

Maybe if you declare the thread "Extra Closed" instead of just closed it will work.

Treat the women who dance in strip clubs as you would any other woman.

SJG

The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we-3Y3vh…

This thread is double secret probation closed.

It is open again. Have a question. If a dancer shares her phone number, then is she giving signals for encounter outside the club with all extras?

^ If you want to reopen you’ll need to get Subraman to cooperate or get an order from a FISA court.

Most don't. Some do.
The cash formula is Amount Offered over How Bad She Needs It.

DG, many times dancers shared their number. One even said even we can go for sushi or something. Never tried. That’s good to know some do.

DG: Let's chill later. I'll bring 300.
OTC: What do I have to do?
DG: Lay there. Breathing optional.

I got Extras.

This thread is so open, Shailynn just created 16 new zany satire characters for it, plus one funny one that speaks in a Chinese accent

DG: wow 300 works! Once I remember a cute 20 yr very cute quoted 1k chill out! Is that too much? So, I never tried.

I wouldn't pay a grand for a


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Champ, I still don't have a sense of why you want to eliminate "extras".

For myself, I have never gone along with the concept, so it really doesn't mean anything to me.


SJG

Strange Kind of Women - Perfect Strangers - live at La Grande Ourse Concert Hall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfLYvbRi…

Shirley Manson & Christine Hynde (The Pretenders) - Only Happy When It Rains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfc3oOhx…

SJG, Eliminate Extras was the initial topic. But later by reading all comments I realized Extras are going to be there. So, I have no issues about extras. Even curious about some top notch club with 9s 10s providing premium services!

Well help us understand, why did you originally post that? Let us get some idea of how you are thinking.

SJG

Newshour, 5 states primaries
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNTnRM9q…

Years ago, I went to club with of extra’s without having any idea about extras. Dancer took me to lap dance room, I stated feeling vomiting, it was smelly. Looks uncleaned extra dirty filthy place. May be that was a cheap place with street pros. Now realizing that some clean top notch premium services clubs. Still not comfortable, but ok if others do.

Well, I think we've had some breakthroughs in today's session, but I'm afraid our time is out, see the receptionist on the way out to schedule your next appointment

Champy, I think I'm starting to understand now where you are coming from.

Our South Bay clubs are very restrictive. So we have an on and off again underground circuit. At the best of these, most of the girls were doing front room FS, and everything else you could want too. They were going from one guy to another, and the floor was always sticky and slippery.

SJG

The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we-3Y3vh…

SJG, you are correct. Dancer going one guy to another guy, carpet full of leaked semen, dirty smelling sticky room, used condoms all makes this worse. Such places, the movement I walk in, I feel vomiting. Crazy. That’s why trying to se is there so called clean classy extras?

Well, it was a linoleum floor. Except that they were raking in money and doing guys separately, it was an orgy.

Those girls are beloved to this day. And they have always done all the OT they can. They are great.

SJG

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re: Well, it was a linoleum floor.

Not sure why I laughed when I read this. Is that better or worse?

Is carpeting extra?

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Champphilly did you ask the dancer about extras OTC yet? Some say the dancer giving you their number may just be part of their game. Youd need to delve deeper to see if theyre open to otc. Or they may do it as security in case they need financial help later

Apparently, if you make waffles using the bisquick recipe, but use only half measures, you need only half an egg. Having only whole eggs and not wanting to waste half, I used a whole egg. What resulted was an oddly chewy waffle that didn't quite puff up enough on the waffle iron. It's like if the op's discussions had mouth-feel.

BTE, I received texts about their schedules few times. That’s it. Never asked for financial help. I can help if the requests genuine. If I ask, there is a possibility could be a clean date outside. Let us see. Appreciate good clean dancers who is not into drugs etc. nothing wrong with it.

Anyone accidentally got infected with sti s STDs by getting extras? Please tell your story, so ignorant extra guys learn

What about those who intentionally got infected? Why do you discriminate against them? That pisses God off fucking big time.

Champ Rua guy: Are you as successful at remaining chaste in Philly strip clubs as you are at closing this thread? Why wouldn't you obsess at finding a clubs "no fun girl" rather than needing to move on down the road in search of the clean club? Or just club in Virginia or the metro DC area where nothing happens!

DC, Virginia both very far. May I buy a club and convert to a model premium ultra clean club with no extras. With all 9s 10s premium food, good dances and great fun atmosphere. I am really thinking about investing in a club. Is it a good business option? I am seriously thinking to buy a club. Please post if any club on sale.

The first rule of starting a business is “ give the customer what they want”.

There have been plenty of strip clubs started where someone with more money than sense designed a club meant to serve the desires of exactly one customer, the owner. And, that’s about how many customers the club attracts.

Mark, if customer wants something extra that is not legal, then how can a owner take risk? Then owner becomes a pimp. Still there are elite customers for clean clubs. I will be looking to get going, please post any potential sale.

Good luck with that Champ. 😉

It never ceases to amaze me how some people on here assume that they have some moral authority to tell grown men/women how they should spend/earn their money. Personally I like to look at the world through a broader lens. If what they are doing doesn't hurt others, then I say all power to them.

For example, recently ilbbaicnl was regaling us with a tale about how he likes to pay a stripper to hang out with her husband OTC. It's very weird for sure and certainly not something I'd ever pay for, but if he, the stripper and of course her husband are all OK with this, then who am I to judge? Now it may raise other questions about his true sexual orientation and whether his time would be better spent in gay bars and male strip clubs, but I'll leave those topics for another thread.

I suspect that club would be available in Phoenix. It’s now called Platinum Plus. It’s a gorgeous club that cost millions to build. Their target market was the same “elite” customer you would target.

It went bankrupt and sat empty for years. It’s now been reopened for a couple years and struggles to attract both dancers and customers.

The core problem is a misunderstanding of who spends big money in a club. Yes, it’s the well-to-do who are big spenders but calling them them “elite” makes it sound like they want caviar, champagne and eye-candy rather than contact.

As exhibit one, look at Robert Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots who was caught in a non-elite massage parlor.

If someone wants pretty girls who don’t rub against you, that market is already served. It’s called Hooters.

Rick & Mark, I know many elite customers who spends easily 400 for full contact champagne room , but no extras. I am not saying clean clubs should do airy dances. When a 9 or 10 amazing premium beauty give very intimate full contact lap dance, definitely a market for a clean club with no extras. Thanks for phoenixclub info, I will evaluate. But mostly looking in PA. I talked to many dancers about my vision, they liked it. Mainly, only allow the dancers who can be legally on payroll to dance/work, free heath benefits, weekly counseling, rental advance if needed, paid vacation of a week once a year etc. I want to bring corporate work culture. In a year or two, mostly I should own a clean club

^ Obviously you and the elite customers you know aren’t enough to keep strip clubs in business
I hereby declare this thread closed.
Drop Mike

The main mistake that Platinum Plus made was thinking that the 1980s model of a business man’s club still worked. Back then, sales guys could treat their customers to a night of naughty fun as a way of bonding and closing the deal. That was back before the age of “ me too” and a woke culture. That model no longer works.

Those clubs gave an elite appearance with lots of flash and sizzle and exactly the level of contact you describe. And, they’ve all gone out of business.

Beyond that, treating dancers to full benefits, full time payroll, advancing rent, etc is clearly something dancers would like. That’s something any mediocre sales person would like because they wouldn’t need to produce results to earn a living.

===> "<strong>I talked to many dancers about my vision, they liked it</strong>. Mainly, only allow the dancers who can be legally on payroll to dance/work, free heath benefits, weekly counseling, rental advance if needed, paid vacation of a week once a year etc."

I bet they did. But Good Lord man, don't forget dental benefits and a 401k! 😂

I'm not going to fully address the absurdity of trying to adopt this model when all of the club's competition is using the IC model. Even in a state where all clubs are forced to do it, it has been a huge challenge. Just go on reddit and read about how CA dancers like the model in practice. If a PA club tried to do to dancers what the CA clubs are now forced to do in confiscating large %s of their sales, you'd lose all of your dancers to surrounding clubs.

As to your other points, of course every dancer loves the concept of the Ultimate Stripper Utopian Club, especially the burnouts. As the thinking goes, everything would be so much better if we just:

- Got rid of all the extras girls and girls marketing OTC escort services;
- Got rid of all the cheap asses taking up seats for a "free show";
- Strictly enforced LD safety and contact rules; and
- Focused our services predominantly on "elite" spenders.

Ah huh. The problem is that there aren't enough of those clean girl loving "elite" spenders in almost any area to consistently support a club. You need the beer and titties guys coming in for happy hour, lookie-loos who drink but never buy dances and extras seeking hounds (whether they find them or not) to pad your bar sales, contribute to stage tipping and pay cover charges.

Also, good luck trying to fully control the behavior of the dancers to the degree necessary. At the very least, you'll never fully stop dancers and good spending customers from making OTC arrangements - horny guys and money hungry girls are going to find ways to feed their needs.

But again, good luck with all of that. Now of course I don't believe a word of any of this, but responding to it anyway was fun. 😊

Funny, talking like as if walk into any club and get straight extras in all clubs. May be very few filthy low class clubs may provide open extras?, 80 percent of clubs don’t provide extras at all, only 20 percent of all clubs may involve in these extras? I am not telling not to go there. Only suggesting is if you are going to extras clubs, then please don’t go to majority clean clubs. So, the clean clubs can keep high elite standards.

Rick, I understand what you are saying. Yes, it will be hard to monitor dancer behavior, otc etc. but, if club finds out, the they are risk of losing job. Also, I have a plan to have high disability benefits to cover injury lay-off and when dancers reach 30, they can enroll into club’s 4 year support program to prepare for alternate career after retirement. If we treat dancers really good and take care of them, they will take care of the customers happily. So, not just focus on extras, also think dancers are there in the club as just their job, treat them accordingly. I already have a partner to invest, also one of the premier clubs manager willing to come as third partner, looks within a year you will hear a very upscale premier club.

Out of all the social injustices one could protest against, you choose fucking in back rooms.

I’m a very proud hoe. There are clubs with absolutely no extras. Guess what I abide by the rules. Write a letter to the business your beef is with management.

^ Champ, it's never that simple. Here's a few things ot consider:

1. There are always girls and guys looking to push boundaries for their respective reasons. In order to completely eliminate extras in a club, you have to police the LD/VIP areas so onerously that almost nobody wants to use them. Many clubs are moving in the opposite direction now as competition for spending dollars gets higher.

2. The reality is that clubs that offer higher mileage, whatever that is in a given area, are almost always busier than low mileage clubs in the same area. In order for your model to work you'd have to be the only club for miles in any direction.

3. Before you lecture anyone on this site about how clubs work, perhaps compare your own review stats to those of the folks you are arguing with. Founder doesn't publish unique clubs reviewed anymore, but I've easily been in over 150 of them and probably closer to 200 and mark has likely seen much more than you have as well.

You will never eliminate extras from strip clubs. If anything, the needle is traveling in the opposite direction. That doesn't mean that there are no clean(er) clubs, but even in those clubs it's often just a matter meeting a higher price point (for OTC if not ITC).

You're heading towards 300 posts in this thread and I see no evidence of even one guy changing his mind about what he wants in a strip club.

So, have fun navel gazing about it, but your strong opinions aren't a market force.

I'm all for getting hookers out of strip clubs. They ruin it for legit dancers.

Champ, we have talked a little bit about this before. Let me just confirm here, you are a strip club customer, not a dancer. And you are male.

I for one have never gone a long with the concept of "Extras". I mean usually that means BJ. And for me I don't see BJ in that situation as that big of a deal. If you like the girl, then you want her to open up to you, and so you want to be acting on her body. So its DFKing, DATY, FIV, and FS. BJ is something that can happen when there is time and a suitable situation, as an extra step of embellishment. And if that is not to be right then, then you want her to see and feel that you are saving your load for when she gives it up for you. That she sees this increases the chances that it will be happening soon.

I think though maybe you are saying that the women need to be protected from what they are doing, protected from the desires of customers, or protected from themselves. Well they are of legal age, so they are presumed able to make their own decisions.

This is about the only country that is really zealous about enforcing the prostitution law. So this is why we have strip clubs. We can't have brothels, or at least not openly, but our constitution protects free speech, and in this courts have found a right to nude dancing. So it is the conjunction of these two pulls which have given us strip clubs.

In most other countries strip clubs are brothels. The strip club idea is just something that they, influenced by the US, have grafted onto it.

Over time, support for the prostitution law continues to dissipate. Most laws only work because most people agree with them. With prostitution this is getting to be less and less so. And then it being a victimless crime, the prostitution law is very hard to enforce without all sorts of LE misconduct.

I think eventually the Extras concept will go away and we will have straight up brothels for strip clubs.

I look forward to this.

SJG

David Brooks and Jonathan Capehart denounce the notion that these spree shootings are caused by “Mental Illness”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_qFeFgm…

Vanilla Fudge - Keep Me Hanging On - Chicago School of Rock Show Team
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9CU_5a6…

So you like fs with a gfe. That's an extra

That is not how the term extra has usually be used.

But what I like is beautiful women.

SJG

This thread has given me a great idea. I think color television is excessive. I much prefer the simple and pure image of black and white television. I’m going to buy a manufacturing facility and begin making black and white TVs. I know there is a huge market for that. I’ll make a fortune.

In this county our above ground strip clubs are still no touching. Long ago people thought that was the only way that it could be legal.

No one really sees it like that anymore, but our DA's office is committed to not letting things get like San Francisco, so they hold to preposterous interpretations of the law and use methods to intimidate defendants and use civil procedures to stop anything involving touching.

But this is why we have an on and off again underground where things are much looser, and where most all the girls do all the OTC they can.

And then the real future seems to be in these Private Party / Membership venues, where it will be impractical for LE to enforce any law on consenting adults.

SJG

Gimme Shelter - School of Rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwlRGS0x…

Things got loose in San Francisco because the Mitchell Bros would not be intimidated and went through a felony jury trial.

After that it was impossible for LE to do anything.

But because of that, in this county, LE will not let anything go before a jury. They bully defendants into pleading guilty, or they use civil methods of closing down venues. The DA's office is terrified of what a jury could do, and that a genie could get out of its bottle.

SJG

SJG said "In this county our above ground strip clubs are still no touching."

Are you sure that you're talking about strip clubs...? Because, at least where I'm from, that statement is aggressively not true.

It is true in this county, much more strict than other places. Strict when there is alcohol, as there are all sorts of rules added to the alcohol licensing.

The only ones without alcohol are our nude clubs, but there have never been more than our two. All kinds of Adult Entertainment Rules, and then stuff club owners are bullied into.

Very strict.

Now, is there really no touching at all? Often this has not been true, limited touching.

And of FRMOS, in our above ground clubs, when that happens it is usually the doing of a girl. Not everyone always follows all rules all the time. And plenty of OTC providers.


SJG

Gimme Shelter - School of Rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwlRGS0x…

I'd rather just buy dances.

CA is one of just a few states which link alcohol to the skin level. But then this county has a whole bunch more rules of its own. If subject to Constitutional test, most of these could be overturned. But no one has been willing to do this yet.

For a long time our DA was George Kennedy and he was extreme and excessive in a lot of ways.

We run around 12,000 felony cases a year. 39 out of 40 are settled by plea agreements. It is really just the most serious that go to trial, making for around 300 trials per year. And of those trials there is a 98% conviction rate. So 6 out of 12,000 felonies are able to beat the rap.

Close evaluation by a panel of law school professors and retired appeals court judges found that around 1/3 of our felony trials had serious problems with them, things for which they should have been overturned.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2007/01/31/p…

The voters dumped George Kennedy, but it was probably the Appeals Court which was really failing to do its job.

This county's DA's office known though that just one lost jury trial could make this county the same as San Francisco, so they do what it takes to prevent that.

For myself, having been in underground places where there really are no rules, it is just between you and the women, and having some Latina hotties with the perfect attitude, I would never want to take any dance buying place at face value again. You need to break out of the box and get the girl you want completely off script. And then probably be waking up with her in the monrings.

SJG

Sjg... You're paranoid for breaking the law and feel guilty for what you do. So you come on here and obsess about making soliciting prostitution sound like anything but what it is in hopes that you convince yourself that you're not breaking the law and your paranoia will go away.

That's why you obsess with these kinds of posts

And you're not taking meds that you need. That's why you're so paranoid of care courts. And you tell yourself there's no such thing as mental illness to convince yourself that you don't need your meda. Again coz of guilt and extreme paranoia

There is no reason to ever solicit a woman. I don't talk to women that way, ever.

Mental Illness is a myth, and those psychiatric neurotoxins should not even exist. The people who make and distribute them should be prosecuted for Crimes Against Humanity and they should receive the death penalty.

And Icey, I don't know exactly what your problem is. But there is something strange going on with you.

SJG

Now we have the Icee/SJG back and forth on whether exchanging money for sex is actually exchanging money for sex, _and_ on whether or not mental illness exists. If we could hook this dynamic up to a generator, we could power a small city.

@BHarlem, I would be proud to buy extras from you in the back room. Loud and proud!

Instead we could just have TetraDope running on a tread mill.

SJG

TJ Street
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=11309

School of Rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0ZTfNMj…

^ While I'm pleased at your assessment of my physical fitness, and Icee and I have never exactly been best buds, he's living in reality on these two issues and you aren't.

Not to mention we'd need this generator to work off public library hours ;)

TetraDope, posting his inane belligerence, what could be better than just having him run a treadmill all day.

In the mean time though I think US strip clubs can get to a FS offering by using the Private Party Model.

SJG

School of Rock Fairfield - Gimme Shelter
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^ 6 hours a day on this site bumping old threads and repeating the same stupid debunked theories and threatening others (even women). I should wait a couple hours, then respond, because your homeless ass won't be able to respond until Monday.

Back to topic! In Philly none of the clubs extras happens openly as per knowledge. As i read reviews, noticed that people go a near by NJ club (named as Playhouse?) for extras. Also all decent clubs in Pittsburgh no extras. Only in providence clubs I read in reviews extras are prevalent., and and few Miami clubs. So, most clubs don’t offer extras. Only minority very few clubs. So, eliminating extras is possible by properly educating dancers and customers and make guys aware that alternatively Nevada has legal brothels. The day is not far to have 100% clean clubs.

TetraDope you sound like you are suicidal.

ChampPhilly,

When LapDancing started it was at MBOT in San Francisco, and it was all out in the open. No booths or back rooms. And a lot of what happened would be called "extras".

Jim and Artie prohibited FS, and they fired the girls found violating. BUt not much else was prohibited.

That it was all out in the open would prove central to their legal defense, saying that it was not really for sexual gratification, but more sex education and shock value, an audience participation cabaret show.

It was after Jim and Artie prevailed at trial and all the legal risk eliminated that the Big Brave Soldiers of the Mafia came in and set up booths and back rooms. And then they were followed by Deja Vu, trying to eliminate front room contact and inventing the modern clip joint.

And no one likes those Nevada places. THe problem is that Nevada laws prevent from room physicality. So you can't soften a girl up before taking her to the private room.

SJG

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SJG, it looks yow know the complete history of strip clubs in San Francisco, after 50 years famous O’Farrell theater strip club is closed.. Yes, moving the lap dance to booths and private rooms gave easy opportunity for extras. Nowadays, most clubs monitor the lap dance rooms by video cameras, still people don’t care about being caught on tape?

ChampPhilly said "SJG, it looks yow know the complete history of strip clubs in San Francisco..."

All yet he hasn't seen a vagina since his wife left him (and possibly since we'll before even that).

Well many times those cameras are fakes, or the video feed is never looked at. They're just for plausible deniability in case of liability law suits.

You will find the full gamut from highly regulated to not regulated at all.

The reason MBOT is now closed is that in the 90's DeJa Vu took over. They make more money by closing clubs and getting the buildings demolished than they do in keeping them open. They know that because of new zoning laws no one can open any more clubs.

But we can beat them by changing to the Private Party / Membership Club Model.

At MBOT there was lots of DFKing, FIV, some FIA, and BJ in the front room!

Anyone who has any interest in strip clubs, as you clearly have, must read:

https://www.amazon.com/Bottom-Feeders-Fr…

It gets into the whole history and all of the legal battles, and how things got to be the way they are.

SJG

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^ Can we talk more about this tomorrow?

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Lol

Throughout the 80s, 90s, and even into the 2000s, nearly all San Francisco strip clubs had extras. And the reason is simple: Law Enforcement would rather the prostitution happen in the strip club than on the streets of SF and thus more out in the open. Street hooking was a huge problem in SF in the 80s. And it brought other crimes to the streets too. So SF LE simply turned a blind eye to ITC prostitution as long as it stayed off the streets. It was the lesser of two evils.

And MBOT simply was designed better for it than Deja Vu. Plus it was more famous due to the reputation of the O'Farrel brothers. MBOT was basically laid out to provide sex shows in multiple ways. It was simply never just a strip club like Deja Vu was laid out. It was also a jack shack and sex show theater. A PL could go into MBOT and get his rocks off in a private dance with a stripper or by watching two strippers fuck each other - whatever he wanted.

Anyway, for me as a non-extras PL, all I want is medium mileage lapdances from 8-10 hotties. But I also have no issues with extras clubs as long as the talent is hot. It also usually means that the dancers will give great mileage since they are willing to do more.

*Mitchell* Brothers.

Sjg you keep bringing up the "party model" because in your paranoid delusions you see it as a potential loophole to evade arrest for solicitation.

In Nevada brothels you see want get and take her to a private room where with enough generosity you can get her off script. They offer gfes.

See you Monday, Walter Mitty.

I wouldn't mind clubs with no ITC because so many more would be game for OTC

Last night at Delailahs, I was talking to one of my favorite dancers. She knows me for last one year. Might have taken lap dances around 10 times, just regular dances, but developed a good friendship. She was saying you are one of the rare regulars never asked extras or otc. She said she does not do extras or OTC. But herself offered me to meet for a lunch. I said I am too busy for a lunch, I will let her know. I can’t go with a dancer in public. Will you guys comfortable in doing that. She is still in college though.

@champ, wtf. They too have ❤️,. Idiot

It’s possible to have a friendly relationship with a dancer. But, don’t delude yourself that money has nothing to do with it. Repeat these words. It’s a business relationship. It’s a business relationship. As long as you realize that, things won’t get weird.

Champ it depends on what you looking for with her. Sometime lunch is just lunch. Sometimes it's her way of seeing if you have resources to keep her interested. Sometimes it's to see if you are a serial killer before she fesses up and says she sees guys OTC. And sometimes she's looking for Mr. Right or Mr. Right Now. Just be clear on what you want

When I first read the OPs question I figured BTE has a burner acccount but am amazed philly has used this site for years. Only reasoning is it was a long con before posting this troll discussion topic. What can I say, I am impressed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plnkjKbX…

I think OPs mom, sister or girlfriend was a stripper. Otherwise why would he care what happens in VIP. Anyway, the girls love sex just as much as the men coming in. They would rather get paid for it than fuck for free

No BTE. Whenever I go to club, I buy drinks for few girls I know, even I order food for them. I have min 150 $ budget to treat girls. so they always have a friendly chat. So, I Hear them closely. Yes, may be I am talking for them.

ChampPhilly, as you can see it is hard here to have a reasonable conversation without getting trampled by trolls.

You know that the concept of "Extras" does not really resonate for me. As I see it, it makes no sense. There is no real extra line which is being crossed.

Originally strip clubs were no touching. But now in many places they are not. Once you allow touching and privacy, then it is really hard to enforce any limits. And I am perfectly happy with that. In Asian Massage Parlors HJ is the norm, but in many places they do a lot of FS, and I happily partake of that.

So Champ, in a number of US clubs FS is common.

Why do you want to restrict them? Why do you want to tell consenting adults what they can and cannot do? And are you prepared to put people in jail if they don't stay within your limits?

And Icey, the Private Party Model gets you around the Public Sex and Lewd Conduct Law, which applies in all retail businesses. This model of legal compliance is the one pioneered by Swingers Clubs, as for them groping and public sex are very important.

The Private Party does not get you around the criminal law, and so it does not get you around the Prostitution and Solicitation Laws. But the Prostitution Law is pretty much impossible to enforce. And there is no reason to Solicit.

As for psychiatric meds, those should not exist. The people who make and distribute them all hold government issues licenses. And this is what makes it fall squarely within Nuremburg precedents for Crimes Against Humanity. These parties should be prosecuted in International Court and they should receive the death penalty.

SJG


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I have no idea if the OP is trolling. But at least it has spawned an interesting discussion. I'd say my feeling is that as long as no party is harmed or coerce, sex for money is simply a business transaction that is only illegal because of both our bullshit puritanical society as well as those on the other side whose knee jerk reaction is that this is abuse akin to trafficking. Neither of those is correct IMO.

To me it's know different than buying stock in Amazon.

But of course there isn't a risk of STIs or pregnancy when you buy stocks....

I think the OP is sincerely stating his views. I'm just hoping we can get him to think it through some more and explain his views to us.

SJG

Jane - School of Rock
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Are we going away from a gentleman’s club to an Extras club culture? Yesterday night at a local club a hot dancer was complaining that regulars eventually ask for OTC or extras. As she refuses for both, the regulars move on to other girls. As a clean dancer, she was saying it is really hard to make decent money.

This discussion is really CLOSED!

Move on now. No more comments.

Deserto, you can do much better. Please respect dancers, don’t act like nasty Pandit guy.

@Champ:

By now you must realize that trying to herd this group is a lost cause, lol.😂

I'm not much of an extras ITC man, but there's always a silver lining within most things. Like the fact that if it's an extras club, your more likely to get a fufilling dance even without extras.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

At extras clubs, trying even a decent dance is disease risky. So,I avoid extras clubs. Deserto, please civilize

We really need to close this discussion thread right now! End of discussion. Closed!!

Champ, I'm still trying to understand your position. And you know that I really don't go along with the concept of "extras".

Do you want to criminalize sex?

Suppose you get some kind of law about this being enforced, do you want to jail people who don't do things in the way you approve of?

SJG

Jane - School of Rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdWq4w8D…

Vanilla Fudge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QLapo3r

Deserto, anything you really did good to a dancer who made you happy. Looks might have snatched her money rather. Civilize man, high time

This thread is open! Fire away!

So Champ, what is your position?

SJG

Seems to be in Germany. Look at what he shows them on the back of his guitar, "Fuck Brexit".

Nick Van Eede (Cutting Crew) - I just died in your arms (33 years later)
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With Covid, Monkey Pox, and ExtrasSTIs, the extras in clubs are very risky and can cause worst damages.So, my humble request to friends: please stay away from extras at least until this monkey pox eradicated

Champ, you know that I don't really go along with the concept of "extras".

But I also still don't understand your position. Why do you want to tell people what they can and cannot do, and are you prepared to jail people who don't listen?

SJG

Figueroa St.
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Jane - School of Rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdWq4w8D…

SJG, I have no right to control any one. So, I won’t. I am trying hard to educate people. So, gentleman’s clubs will be more acceptable by common public and also prevent the spread of STDs etc.