Eliminate extra’s from Gentlemen clubs
Champphilly
Perfect Gentleman
Whenever, I was offered extra’s in a club, I politely say NO means NO. And will never go back to that Brothel again. Gentlemen clubs should be gentle, max should be good contact dances, mutual touching kissing above waist. That’s it. But many reviews focused on extra shit, which is declining the standards of gentlemen clubs and the risk of spreading STDs, HIV etc. Please discourage extra’ in this forum? What you all think?
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Management always gets a cut.
Pimps have arrangements with management. Getting hoes working clubs is safer and brings a higher volume of tricks than working the blade
Hoes decrease the earnings afor strippers. By performing sex acts for not much money. They make it harder for dancers to earn money just dancing. Dancing is about getting the most $$$ for the least effort. Hoes ruin that by doing the most for less.
In some cases it's supporting human trafficking.
Club managers can be the worst pimps. Focusing purely on volume as well as making girls have sex with others as bribes for deals.
Hoes are the bottom tier of the stripper hierarchy. They resort to hoeing coz they can't hustle. And or are desperate. You're taking advantage of desperate women.
I don't believe anyone who agrees with Iceefag this is not an opinion he has, it's just his way of trolling this site and picking fights.
Lol, good luck with that.
The genie is out of the bottle now and isn't going back in.
Topic CLOSED!
Just as a pro tip, go to your settings and turn off notifications, at least you won't need to get a zillion notifications in your inbox
Also, I declare this thread re-open.
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I know that your profile says that you've been on here since 2017, but your posts read like you joined about an hour ago. Giving TUSCLers ultimatums about how any thread should be treated is the perfect way to ensure that your thread is not treated that way.
Also, I think you're overestimating TUSCLs market influence. Even if you were to convince *every* single TUSCL user to be 100% against extras (!!!LOL!!!... ahem), I'm pretty sure that there would still be a lot of other guys walking into strip clubs wanting blowjobs. And I'm just as sure that there would be an ample number of dancers to accommodate those market demands.
Also, guys want uncomplicated sex and dancers want to get paid (preferably, a lot). So, if you think some threads on TUSCL are going to thwart those economic forces, then you're not dealing with reality. Particularly now that sex work is moving more towards being more normalized, and not towards being more taboo.
But hey ... keep up the good fight...
As a kid, I wanted extras from the altar girls in church.
SJG
You can send a message to founder and ask nicely to delete this thread. He may or may not accommodate you. Other than that, no, there's no way. If that doesn't work out, then the best you can do is not bump your own thread and hope that it sinks into obscurity. If that also doesn't work out, then you live with it.
Also, call this a lesson learned.
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Easy answer for you. Just don't go to places that provide extras.... there are plenty of them.
All of that...
You wrote and I quote:
“I'm doing my part. I had one 50 years younger than me come to my home yesterday for the afternoon. I plan to make this a weekly thing.”
Pics and Vids or it didn’t happen.
:D
Good Times, Good Times
Sorry cj, I doubt Shadow is the type of guy to send dick pics to an internet commie weirdo.
Who's with me?
Why do you want to eliminate extras? Are you a female dancer?
For myself I have never gone along with the concept of extras, I just don't approach it that way, don't relate to the women that way. Its a gimmick.
SJG
Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good - 2016 School of Rock AllStars Team 6
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Champphilly is just another cacaplop trying to swamp these forums with repetitive, stupid questions, either via his own threads or crashing other threads.
But, as always, take a look at his posting history and judge for yourself.
If engaging with his inane posts is fun for you, then go for it.
Otherwise, don't think you're answering sincere questions.
~ Call.Me.Ishmael
~ April 29, 2022
“In this world, shipmates, sin that pays its way can travel freely, and without a passport; whereas Virtue, if a pauper, is stopped at all frontiers."
~Father Mapple via Herman Melville's "Moby Dick".
It is also a way to evaluate a potential otc stripper sugar baby. Let the girls that play have their super day and pay. Many women who work in SC there to do extras ply their profession.
I can c how girls who don’t play may resent the competition from ones that do. As an experienced strip club player and hobbyist / generous gentleman (MBA Financial Mgr) I am there looking looking for go to girl sex enjoyment partner or plain ole vip fun. I junked traditional dating eons ago.
Let me throw you a imaginary life preserver 🛟
If you want to bring back good clean fun you should definitely talk to management or a owner because any club that I did anything extra in was the culture of that club. Nothing is a secret. And people gonna do what the owner allows.
I’ve always wondered why when dancers know the nature of said club that they continue to work there just to complain. I’ve been dancing many years and trust me it ain’t have nothing to do with dancers doing extra shit in the club that is ruining it.
I’m from nyc where back in the day there were streetwalkers butt naked right outside the clubs and with all that opportunity it never stopped customers from spending money. And they were attractive.
There’s no such thing as a clean club you just ain’t got enough to make management look the other way
Sorry, can't respond, don't you know that this thread is closed?
🙃
SJG
Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good - 2016 School of Rock AllStars Team 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMM5bjkK…
They are often successful at this because they usually have the law on their side. It needs to be pointed out here, though, that these laws are an attempt to interfere with voluntary transactions between consenting adults. They harm strippers who want to sell extras and interfere with their ability to make a living. So, while I personally don't like extras it seems immoral to me to have laws against them. If the girl wants to sell extras, the customer wants to buy extras and the club owner wants to allow them then the local government should stay out of it. There will always be some dancers and customers who don't want to do them and it has been my experience that we will always be able to find each other.
I work at a club now most nights I don’t do extras and still make money. Most often then not the man that I go into the CR with we’re not doing anything but fondling. Am I ugly? Hell No. Am I on drugs? No Have I worked at clean clubs? Yep more than extra clubs
At the same time, some dancers allow activities that many actual girlfriends don't. So, GFE isn't always the penultimate goal.
Champphilly, what were you refering to by kissing above waist? Do you mean kissing on lips/tongue kissing? That carries disease risks. Many dancers may not want to tongue kiss people they don’t know
Champhilly you have a lot of power, to be able to open and close the thread at whim! You are confusing us with all the opening and closing friend!
SJG
Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good - 2016 School of Rock AllStars Team 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMM5bjkK…
If your going to do back room FS, that is best. And best to pick the one you want to be waking up in the mornings with.
SJG
Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good - 2016 School of Rock AllStars Team 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMM5bjkK…
Side story: a friend of a friend was a diabetic. When he passed away, he had a big stockpile of syringes. So I got them and gave them to my fav, so the dancers on heroin would at least have clean syringes available. I found out later I'd broken the law by doing that. The Rebublo-Fascists have passed laws against providing clean needles to drug users, cause apparently Jesus wants them to have Hepatitis and AIDS as punishment.
Best extra story ever!
SJG
Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good - 2016 School of Rock AllStars Team 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMM5bjkK…
Motorhead gets it.
Of course, I also never thought I would see someone on here think that they could stop people from commenting just because they said a discussion is closed. Sorry, but you just gave a certain California nut job a platform to "educate" you on the virtues of FRMOS and every other random topic that pops into his head for the next decade or two.
Only $29.95 and they not only gave me a free slice of cheese but also mustard, onions,and pickles too, FREE EXTRAS!
SJG
Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good - 2016 School of Rock AllStars Team 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMM5bjkK…
Too bad the thread is closed.
SJG
Analogy. You go to a restaurant. No one makes you go. You CHOOSE to and you CHOOSE which one to go, out of tons of choices.
You order from the provided menu a dish you CHOOSE and hope to be satisfied with. But you notice steak on the menu, which you don't like (and don't order) and see dozens of patrons with steaks on their plate around the room.
You complain why the patrons are eating steak and why the restaurant is serving steak, even though you are still getting your desired dish. At the restaurant that you CHOSE. And the restaurant nor the patrons are attempting to force-feed you their steak.
The alternative. You could've just stayed home. Cooked your own meal. And jacked off.
The End.
Think of it as....
You get paid to do lap dances. But there's other people who will illegally fuck instead. So you're out of luck making a living coz you want to be a stripper not a hooker.
Or
You're selling lemonade and can only do it at a gay bar. Byt your competition includes a blow job with each cup. Would you suck dick too or try to stay legit?
~ Oscar Wilde
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Is she the lemonade or the cup?
The analogy is stop being a whiny bitch and have sex with the customers and if she's the lead dog with her tongue in my ass the view never changes. Boner Garage doesn't have a problem with it.
Yeah, it's still open.
Since you are therefore looking for your own type of extras during dances you should probably consider closing this thread.
Dejavu is a model for clubs. They want to be a legit businesses and answer to investors so they crack down on illegal shit.
Extras
Some form of genital stimulation or straight up prostitution, done within a stripclub with at least the tacit permission of management within certain limits. Usually done with your pants down, extras are classified as HJ (hand jobs), BJ (blowjobs), FS (full service), and anal.
Probably because there are 3 varying extras definitions happening at once: the club's, the dancer's, and the PL's.
Also, no problem with PLs requesting no extras but you'll lose an arm trying to take anyone else's steak away.
Also, the "extras" line is not between what is legal and illegal. In most clubs the two way touching, groping, stick shifting and pussy play is just normal behavior but probably illegal, too.
Should probably stick with the first 3 (VIP, no other dancers/PLs watching).
That makes DFK, nipple sucking, and hj/fingering above/below the clothing
an expected service. I can live with that. Thanks Champ : )
Let's say the panties are NOT removed vs when they ARE removed/pulled aside for this.
Simple, but still a wildly sliding scale.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
If the club is offering it as part of the usual CR service/price, it's just their premium service, not an extra.
Don’t go to Taco Bell for shrimp carbonara
Thanks dude for that riveting educational moment. Who knew that sexual contact with strippers could lead to STDs? I thought that only applied to civilian women. Consider me educated, sheesh. 😉
Discussion CLOSED.
I guess I have to admit... I like life on the edge...
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Wow. And this whole time I thought it was just a speed-dating service.
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If only more hotties could get on board with our actual altruistic goal of accelerating herd immunity this would go alot quicker. I believe the children are our future.
*mongers in background waving arms and singing We Are The World*
Why in the world would you let a thread on an anonymous Internet forum keep you awake? 😊
As far as the rest, thank goodness that you and the Icee troll account don't have a real clue. If the girls I take OTC were as unattractive, drug addicted and STD laden as you knuckleheads envision then I'd have to find a different hobby. Fortunately attractive girls sometimes come up short too when bill time comes around and some figure out that they have other tools at their disposal if they need them.
Wait! He posted 8 hours ago so thread is open now.
Discussion CLOSED"
Does that really work?
Excuse me while I cut and paste that on 400 sjg threads.
This thread is so open, founder is encouraging people to troll it
This thread is so open, Rick is going to ask it OTC on the 29th
This thread is so open, if it gained 150 pounds and a tan, Papi would get a lapdance from it
This thread is so open, desertscrub accused it of being a club shill
This thread is so open, its review just got denied because it didn't describe the shape of the bar or location of the bathroom
Oh wait...
"This thread is really closed. Thanks all for sharing your options & opinions. I won’t be reading this thread anymore!
Discussion CLOSED👏👏👏👏👏👏 good jobj all
As silly as this sounds, up until DejaVu bought it a year ago, Crazy Horse in SF had two sections of private booths. The "clean booths" were off to the right as you entered the booth area, the girls got fired if they got caught doing extras there. The dirty booths were off to the left, extras allowed. I could be mis-remembering but I think the dirty booths might have cost more
I'll take eau de cunt everytime.
A girl at r/stripper insisted that rubbing her pussy juice on her neck and chest always increased her bank.
Farrah Moans or something.
And where's Beauregard? He ran this closed thread way better.
And Icey, management and staff get a cut in the DejaVu style of clubs, where they maintain a facade of legal compliance. But in our underground circuit when they were doing FR FS, there was no pretext of legal compliance. So no, there we not cuts or pay offs. Its just all unregulated.
SJG
The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we-3Y3vh…
Assuming you're not trolling (which you probably are), I still haven't figured out why you care so much about what other boys and girls choose to do with each other. Your excuses so far don't hold much water.
5…4…3…2…1
Which reminds me of the 1980’s film The Final Countdown.
“Splash the Zero’s” - the film that made the phrase semi famous
Wikipedia says it’s the low point in the career of Kirk Douglas but I kind of liked it. Even though the director really wimped out at the end
Tootsie in Miami for starters. Plenty of others as well in various parts of the country, along with yet more girls who won't do that stuff ITC but will OTC for the right money.
You really need to get out more. You're narrow view of the world is leading you to make assumptions that aren't accurate. If there wasn't fun to be had with truly hot girls I wouldn't be doing this nearly as much. It's just a matter of how much they want for it.
0-value comment!!!
SJG
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Shirley Manson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYJ1jNnG…
Front Room Generosity and Makeout Session, then back room, then take her home with you.
SJG
Pleaser
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The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we-3Y3vh…
The women in strip clubs are just ordinary women, and I treat them as such at all times.
SJG
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Please close the thread after answering.
An idiot visited club Extra. He asked the dancer for Extra. She said it costs Extra. Then did Extra. He was tired Extra. Next morning He slept Extra. When he woke up he noticed his stick had something Extra. He called the previous night girl and asked what is this gift Extra? She said consult a Doctor by paying Extra. Omg by typing this made me tired Extra.
CLOSING this thread Extra.
No more comments Extra!
SJG
The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we-3Y3vh…
The cash formula is Amount Offered over How Bad She Needs It.
OTC: What do I have to do?
DG: Lay there. Breathing optional.
I got Extras.
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For myself, I have never gone along with the concept, so it really doesn't mean anything to me.
SJG
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Shirley Manson & Christine Hynde (The Pretenders) - Only Happy When It Rains
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Our South Bay clubs are very restrictive. So we have an on and off again underground circuit. At the best of these, most of the girls were doing front room FS, and everything else you could want too. They were going from one guy to another, and the floor was always sticky and slippery.
SJG
The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - 2013 School of Rock AllStars Team 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we-3Y3vh…
Those girls are beloved to this day. And they have always done all the OT they can. They are great.
SJG
Not sure why I laughed when I read this. Is that better or worse?
Is carpeting extra?
There have been plenty of strip clubs started where someone with more money than sense designed a club meant to serve the desires of exactly one customer, the owner. And, that’s about how many customers the club attracts.
It never ceases to amaze me how some people on here assume that they have some moral authority to tell grown men/women how they should spend/earn their money. Personally I like to look at the world through a broader lens. If what they are doing doesn't hurt others, then I say all power to them.
For example, recently ilbbaicnl was regaling us with a tale about how he likes to pay a stripper to hang out with her husband OTC. It's very weird for sure and certainly not something I'd ever pay for, but if he, the stripper and of course her husband are all OK with this, then who am I to judge? Now it may raise other questions about his true sexual orientation and whether his time would be better spent in gay bars and male strip clubs, but I'll leave those topics for another thread.
It went bankrupt and sat empty for years. It’s now been reopened for a couple years and struggles to attract both dancers and customers.
The core problem is a misunderstanding of who spends big money in a club. Yes, it’s the well-to-do who are big spenders but calling them them “elite” makes it sound like they want caviar, champagne and eye-candy rather than contact.
As exhibit one, look at Robert Kraft, the owner of the New England Patriots who was caught in a non-elite massage parlor.
If someone wants pretty girls who don’t rub against you, that market is already served. It’s called Hooters.
I hereby declare this thread closed.
Drop Mike
Those clubs gave an elite appearance with lots of flash and sizzle and exactly the level of contact you describe. And, they’ve all gone out of business.
Beyond that, treating dancers to full benefits, full time payroll, advancing rent, etc is clearly something dancers would like. That’s something any mediocre sales person would like because they wouldn’t need to produce results to earn a living.
I bet they did. But Good Lord man, don't forget dental benefits and a 401k! 😂
I'm not going to fully address the absurdity of trying to adopt this model when all of the club's competition is using the IC model. Even in a state where all clubs are forced to do it, it has been a huge challenge. Just go on reddit and read about how CA dancers like the model in practice. If a PA club tried to do to dancers what the CA clubs are now forced to do in confiscating large %s of their sales, you'd lose all of your dancers to surrounding clubs.
As to your other points, of course every dancer loves the concept of the Ultimate Stripper Utopian Club, especially the burnouts. As the thinking goes, everything would be so much better if we just:
- Got rid of all the extras girls and girls marketing OTC escort services;
- Got rid of all the cheap asses taking up seats for a "free show";
- Strictly enforced LD safety and contact rules; and
- Focused our services predominantly on "elite" spenders.
Ah huh. The problem is that there aren't enough of those clean girl loving "elite" spenders in almost any area to consistently support a club. You need the beer and titties guys coming in for happy hour, lookie-loos who drink but never buy dances and extras seeking hounds (whether they find them or not) to pad your bar sales, contribute to stage tipping and pay cover charges.
Also, good luck trying to fully control the behavior of the dancers to the degree necessary. At the very least, you'll never fully stop dancers and good spending customers from making OTC arrangements - horny guys and money hungry girls are going to find ways to feed their needs.
But again, good luck with all of that. Now of course I don't believe a word of any of this, but responding to it anyway was fun. 😊
I’m a very proud hoe. There are clubs with absolutely no extras. Guess what I abide by the rules. Write a letter to the business your beef is with management.
1. There are always girls and guys looking to push boundaries for their respective reasons. In order to completely eliminate extras in a club, you have to police the LD/VIP areas so onerously that almost nobody wants to use them. Many clubs are moving in the opposite direction now as competition for spending dollars gets higher.
2. The reality is that clubs that offer higher mileage, whatever that is in a given area, are almost always busier than low mileage clubs in the same area. In order for your model to work you'd have to be the only club for miles in any direction.
3. Before you lecture anyone on this site about how clubs work, perhaps compare your own review stats to those of the folks you are arguing with. Founder doesn't publish unique clubs reviewed anymore, but I've easily been in over 150 of them and probably closer to 200 and mark has likely seen much more than you have as well.
You're heading towards 300 posts in this thread and I see no evidence of even one guy changing his mind about what he wants in a strip club.
So, have fun navel gazing about it, but your strong opinions aren't a market force.
I for one have never gone a long with the concept of "Extras". I mean usually that means BJ. And for me I don't see BJ in that situation as that big of a deal. If you like the girl, then you want her to open up to you, and so you want to be acting on her body. So its DFKing, DATY, FIV, and FS. BJ is something that can happen when there is time and a suitable situation, as an extra step of embellishment. And if that is not to be right then, then you want her to see and feel that you are saving your load for when she gives it up for you. That she sees this increases the chances that it will be happening soon.
I think though maybe you are saying that the women need to be protected from what they are doing, protected from the desires of customers, or protected from themselves. Well they are of legal age, so they are presumed able to make their own decisions.
This is about the only country that is really zealous about enforcing the prostitution law. So this is why we have strip clubs. We can't have brothels, or at least not openly, but our constitution protects free speech, and in this courts have found a right to nude dancing. So it is the conjunction of these two pulls which have given us strip clubs.
In most other countries strip clubs are brothels. The strip club idea is just something that they, influenced by the US, have grafted onto it.
Over time, support for the prostitution law continues to dissipate. Most laws only work because most people agree with them. With prostitution this is getting to be less and less so. And then it being a victimless crime, the prostitution law is very hard to enforce without all sorts of LE misconduct.
I think eventually the Extras concept will go away and we will have straight up brothels for strip clubs.
I look forward to this.
SJG
David Brooks and Jonathan Capehart denounce the notion that these spree shootings are caused by “Mental Illness”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_qFeFgm…
Vanilla Fudge - Keep Me Hanging On - Chicago School of Rock Show Team
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But what I like is beautiful women.
SJG
No one really sees it like that anymore, but our DA's office is committed to not letting things get like San Francisco, so they hold to preposterous interpretations of the law and use methods to intimidate defendants and use civil procedures to stop anything involving touching.
But this is why we have an on and off again underground where things are much looser, and where most all the girls do all the OTC they can.
And then the real future seems to be in these Private Party / Membership venues, where it will be impractical for LE to enforce any law on consenting adults.
SJG
Gimme Shelter - School of Rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwlRGS0x…
After that it was impossible for LE to do anything.
But because of that, in this county, LE will not let anything go before a jury. They bully defendants into pleading guilty, or they use civil methods of closing down venues. The DA's office is terrified of what a jury could do, and that a genie could get out of its bottle.
SJG
Are you sure that you're talking about strip clubs...? Because, at least where I'm from, that statement is aggressively not true.
The only ones without alcohol are our nude clubs, but there have never been more than our two. All kinds of Adult Entertainment Rules, and then stuff club owners are bullied into.
Very strict.
Now, is there really no touching at all? Often this has not been true, limited touching.
And of FRMOS, in our above ground clubs, when that happens it is usually the doing of a girl. Not everyone always follows all rules all the time. And plenty of OTC providers.
SJG
Gimme Shelter - School of Rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwlRGS0x…
CA is one of just a few states which link alcohol to the skin level. But then this county has a whole bunch more rules of its own. If subject to Constitutional test, most of these could be overturned. But no one has been willing to do this yet.
For a long time our DA was George Kennedy and he was extreme and excessive in a lot of ways.
We run around 12,000 felony cases a year. 39 out of 40 are settled by plea agreements. It is really just the most serious that go to trial, making for around 300 trials per year. And of those trials there is a 98% conviction rate. So 6 out of 12,000 felonies are able to beat the rap.
Close evaluation by a panel of law school professors and retired appeals court judges found that around 1/3 of our felony trials had serious problems with them, things for which they should have been overturned.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2007/01/31/p…
The voters dumped George Kennedy, but it was probably the Appeals Court which was really failing to do its job.
This county's DA's office known though that just one lost jury trial could make this county the same as San Francisco, so they do what it takes to prevent that.
For myself, having been in underground places where there really are no rules, it is just between you and the women, and having some Latina hotties with the perfect attitude, I would never want to take any dance buying place at face value again. You need to break out of the box and get the girl you want completely off script. And then probably be waking up with her in the monrings.
SJG
That's why you obsess with these kinds of posts
Mental Illness is a myth, and those psychiatric neurotoxins should not even exist. The people who make and distribute them should be prosecuted for Crimes Against Humanity and they should receive the death penalty.
And Icey, I don't know exactly what your problem is. But there is something strange going on with you.
SJG
@BHarlem, I would be proud to buy extras from you in the back room. Loud and proud!
SJG
TJ Street
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School of Rock
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Not to mention we'd need this generator to work off public library hours ;)
In the mean time though I think US strip clubs can get to a FS offering by using the Private Party Model.
SJG
School of Rock Fairfield - Gimme Shelter
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ChampPhilly,
When LapDancing started it was at MBOT in San Francisco, and it was all out in the open. No booths or back rooms. And a lot of what happened would be called "extras".
Jim and Artie prohibited FS, and they fired the girls found violating. BUt not much else was prohibited.
That it was all out in the open would prove central to their legal defense, saying that it was not really for sexual gratification, but more sex education and shock value, an audience participation cabaret show.
It was after Jim and Artie prevailed at trial and all the legal risk eliminated that the Big Brave Soldiers of the Mafia came in and set up booths and back rooms. And then they were followed by Deja Vu, trying to eliminate front room contact and inventing the modern clip joint.
And no one likes those Nevada places. THe problem is that Nevada laws prevent from room physicality. So you can't soften a girl up before taking her to the private room.
SJG
Nora Jones, Something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC42CJoB…
All yet he hasn't seen a vagina since his wife left him (and possibly since we'll before even that).
You will find the full gamut from highly regulated to not regulated at all.
The reason MBOT is now closed is that in the 90's DeJa Vu took over. They make more money by closing clubs and getting the buildings demolished than they do in keeping them open. They know that because of new zoning laws no one can open any more clubs.
But we can beat them by changing to the Private Party / Membership Club Model.
At MBOT there was lots of DFKing, FIV, some FIA, and BJ in the front room!
Anyone who has any interest in strip clubs, as you clearly have, must read:
https://www.amazon.com/Bottom-Feeders-Fr…
It gets into the whole history and all of the legal battles, and how things got to be the way they are.
SJG
Eric Clapton - Beware of Darkness at the Concert For George
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRoo0-hw…
Lol
And MBOT simply was designed better for it than Deja Vu. Plus it was more famous due to the reputation of the O'Farrel brothers. MBOT was basically laid out to provide sex shows in multiple ways. It was simply never just a strip club like Deja Vu was laid out. It was also a jack shack and sex show theater. A PL could go into MBOT and get his rocks off in a private dance with a stripper or by watching two strippers fuck each other - whatever he wanted.
Anyway, for me as a non-extras PL, all I want is medium mileage lapdances from 8-10 hotties. But I also have no issues with extras clubs as long as the talent is hot. It also usually means that the dancers will give great mileage since they are willing to do more.
In Nevada brothels you see want get and take her to a private room where with enough generosity you can get her off script. They offer gfes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plnkjKbX…
You know that the concept of "Extras" does not really resonate for me. As I see it, it makes no sense. There is no real extra line which is being crossed.
Originally strip clubs were no touching. But now in many places they are not. Once you allow touching and privacy, then it is really hard to enforce any limits. And I am perfectly happy with that. In Asian Massage Parlors HJ is the norm, but in many places they do a lot of FS, and I happily partake of that.
So Champ, in a number of US clubs FS is common.
Why do you want to restrict them? Why do you want to tell consenting adults what they can and cannot do? And are you prepared to put people in jail if they don't stay within your limits?
And Icey, the Private Party Model gets you around the Public Sex and Lewd Conduct Law, which applies in all retail businesses. This model of legal compliance is the one pioneered by Swingers Clubs, as for them groping and public sex are very important.
The Private Party does not get you around the criminal law, and so it does not get you around the Prostitution and Solicitation Laws. But the Prostitution Law is pretty much impossible to enforce. And there is no reason to Solicit.
As for psychiatric meds, those should not exist. The people who make and distribute them all hold government issues licenses. And this is what makes it fall squarely within Nuremburg precedents for Crimes Against Humanity. These parties should be prosecuted in International Court and they should receive the death penalty.
SJG
The Warning - ERROR (Official Music Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqPj-E_8…
To me it's know different than buying stock in Amazon.
SJG
Jane - School of Rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdWq4w8D…
Move on now. No more comments.
By now you must realize that trying to herd this group is a lost cause, lol.😂
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
Do you want to criminalize sex?
Suppose you get some kind of law about this being enforced, do you want to jail people who don't do things in the way you approve of?
SJG
Jane - School of Rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdWq4w8D…
Vanilla Fudge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QLapo3r
SJG
Seems to be in Germany. Look at what he shows them on the back of his guitar, "Fuck Brexit".
Nick Van Eede (Cutting Crew) - I just died in your arms (33 years later)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5fwI7Db…
But I also still don't understand your position. Why do you want to tell people what they can and cannot do, and are you prepared to jail people who don't listen?
SJG
Figueroa St.
https://youtu.be/OqrIrJci9m0?t=345
Jane - School of Rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdWq4w8D…