How to have a healthy relationship with the strip club?

@BlondeGirlLover

I will play along and comment in your discussion.

It’s is common knowledge and socially/culturally accepted that hobbies are good for people’s physical and mental health, because that is a good way to spend leisure time.

There is a reason the adult industry is a hobby for many adults.

Having hobbies during leisure is associated with health benefits, enjoyment, less disease and longer life expectancy, street reduction, better sleep, Improving work performance etc, etc, etc.

People that participated in enjoyable activities had greater life satisfaction and feel their lives had a greater sense of purpose and meaning, because they are happy.

The “problem” is that our Over-Sexualized and at the same time Sexually-Repressed American culture/society. men and women receive mixed messages about their sexuality.

We want women to be objects of sexual desire, yet we expect them to be pure.

The reality is that, men and women have a natural and healthy desire to be sexual.

Yet in our sexually repress society/culture men and women are less likely to reveal their sexual desires.

American society encourages men and women to push their sexual desires down.

As long as you participate in the adult industry hobby in moderation and enjoy it, you should be fine.

Again think of it as what it is; a hobby that you should be able to enjoy within your life schedule and budget, just like any other hobby.

Sexual interactions and the “adult industry” in various forms is nothing new in the world or the western culture...

I would refer you to Demosthenes (384 – 12 October 322 BC) Greek statesman and orator of ancient Athens.

1. We have courtesans for the sake of pleasure.
2. Concubines for the daily health of our bodies, and
3. Wives to bear us lawful offspring and be the faithful guardians of our homes

In this list is the Greek view of woman in the classic age.

And in all ages and times.

All men want that, but only some can afford it...

In today’s world the rich can say:

1. We have high end escorts, centerfolds, actresses, models, etc that provide PSE/GFE for the sake of pleasure.
2. Mistresses/Sugar Babies/Strippers ITC OTC; etc, for the daily needs of our bodies.
3. Trophy Wives (with an ironclad prenup) to bear us lawful offspring, and be the faithful guardians of our homes.
4. Realistic Sex Dolls/Gynoids/Fembot, and Internet Porn and Instagram/Onlyfans “Models”, for kicks-and-giggles”

Remember

“In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women.”

~ Cuban refugee Tony Montana (Al Pacino) in the movie Scarface.

I too was frustrated in going when I was much younger. I've dealt with this issue by making more money. I love to go to clubs and have pretty girls all over me. I am fully aware the girls are pleasing me for the money because it is their job. This may sound kind of funny, but I used that as motivation to achieve bigger things. Yes, strip clubs have made me work harder to make more money so I could afford to go more often and enjoy more things when I'm there. Strip clubs are fantasy land. Once I accepted that fact, I enjoyed them much more.

Your mindset is wrong. You're not being duped or suckered. You're paying for the fantasy.

I think it's a bit less off-putting to us geezers who experienced the "pre-K-mart" world when we were young. Time was, making many routine purchases, often even socks or underwear, involved dealing with some mega-pesky salesperson. And what you paid included a healthy markup to pay the pesterer, who sought to badger you into a purchasing decision for the good of the store rather than yourself.

I don't see strippers and strip clubs as an evil blemish on a good world. They are a somewhat more eviler blemish on an evil world. Waitstaff pretend to be friendlier towards you than what they really are. They are generally not so extra about it, because they have a less strong financial incentive, and less of an incentive to trick you into ordering a dish or drink that isn't really your first choice.

I think many, if not most, of us get cynical by the time by hit our thirties. You stop and ponder your life so far from the big picture. It sinks in, how the people who supposedly love you have often been very phoney. Pursuing their own selfish ends by guilt-tripping you and giving you false hopes.

Mot people get through life with superficial attachments to others, deluding themselves that they are less superficial than what they are. I still feel the urge to not be such a loner. I see it as similar to my urge to eat a large supreme pizza every day. One I have to get use to pushing back on.

To me, strippers are like many people in my life who think they are besting me. I stop and think about how they make clowns of themselves. Feeling victims of drama of their own making. Desperately chasing fleeting satisfactions they delusionally see as long-lasting. I end up feeling more pity than resentment.

First off - if you go to clubs - you should post a few reviews.

The strip club habit is not a good one for younger guys. Young guys, who have less money, should be out with civilian girls. There is little good that will come from a young guy getting involved with strip clubs.

Strip clubbing looks less savory from the outside.

If going to a strip club is replacing something that is missing in your life, then it might not be a good idea to go to go to strip clubs. Strip clubs are there for a no-obligation, short-term fantasy that should only impact your wallet. That's it. If you can't keep it at that level, then go do something else. Volunteer at a non-profit or charity that you really care about. That's a great way to meet like-minded people and form new (genuine) relationships.

If the issue is spending beyond your means, then try walking into the club with a set amount of cash and leave your cards locked up in the car. I did this when I first started clubbing because I had a few nights where I essentially mugged myself. There were a few nights where I said "Fuck it. I'm getting the cards and spending the money." But during the walk to my car I'd realize that I was making a big mistake. In every instance, instead of going back into the club I'd just drive home.

If you want to go to strip clubs, that's great. If you need to go to strip clubs, that's not great. You need to make different choices.

I have a solution: become a rick.

Like is all sunshine and unicorn farts for us ricks (btw, unicorn farts smell delightful). No Sturm und Drang like normie (non-rick) life.

Alas, there is but one way to become rick: you must be born a rick.

However, you can become rickish. Just get yourself a bottle of drivin’ whiskey and go on a long road trip. Engage in depraved acts with a girl that has daddy issues and perfect titties. Call a cop a wildebeest. In short, live like a frickin’ lion! ROAR!!!

If I had read this thread before ever going to a strip club, I'd have never gone. I like bars. I like drinking in bars. I like sports on tv in bars. I like naked women. I like naked women in bars. I like that unlike sports bars, naked women have no opposite viewpoint on the game. I can go spend $20 bucks watch the game for an hour and see pretty girls; or I can go spend serious money and play with a hottie. It's entertainment. As far as the girls, I am happy with a full contact dance, or even more, but it's based solely on what I feel at the time.

You don't need to be really good at talking to women to get a girlfriend. If she likes you, she'll overlook that you aren't good at that. Most guys can't get a girlfriend because they aim too high and try to date someone out of their league.

Visits to strip clubs are more for guys who don't currently want to be in a relationship or want a little variety and want to spend some time with females they are not a relationship with. I had girlfriends when I was younger but I'm happy now with the freedom that comes with the single life. I like women, though, and strip clubs give me a chance to spend a little time with them.

If you're consistently feeling like you're getting duped, I'd either stop going or really evaluate why you're going and what you're looking to get out of it. Similar to what CMI said, if you feel like you need to go it's very likely something is wrong and you need to reconsider your choices.

To have a healthy relationship with a strip club you have to accept what a strip club is and more importantly isn't. What a strip club is, is an entertainment venue. The girls make money by entertaining you. It's similar to the characters at Disney World. The people dressed up in the cartoon outfits hugging people aren't there to dupe anyone into thinking an animated mouse actually feels genuine affection for them. They're there to entertain you. You pay an entry fee and buy overpriced drinks just like the strip club. I hate when people say the strip club is a fantasy. It's not a fantasy, sitting at home watching porn thinking about touching & fucking the girl in the video is a fantasy. It's not a girlfriend supermarket either. The girls entertain by appearing romantically interested, because we link that with physical intimacy and its a good sales tactic. No one wants to go to a strip club where the girls openly show their disdain for customers, that's not entertaining.

For the most part, the girls aren't trying to dupe you. Sure, there's a few bad apples out there who are. But in my experience by and large most strippers would rather you have a good time, compensate them financially for their time, then both go your separate ways happily. You having just been entertained, and her having just made some money to go spend on her own entertainment.

===> "The strip club habit is not a good one for younger guys. Young guys, who have less money, should be out with civilian girls. There is little good that will come from a young guy getting involved with strip clubs."

This 100%.

To add, if you are too socially awkward to meet girls in real life situations, I'm guessing that this same issue will also impose limits upon your upward career mobility. I don't say this to be a jerk, but simply to suggest that there may be better uses for your time and energy at this stage of your life, like focusing on how to improve yourself and your prospects. It's "addicting" simply because you are to unaccustomed to normal female companionship. Strippers are supposed to be the girls you party with, not the ones you write romantic ballads about.

If you like going to strip clubs, you should go to strip clubs. A healthy relationship with them means you don't spend more than you can afford and you don't believe the lying, thieving whores who work there. If you feel you are spending too much, go less frequently. Make a club visit an occasional treat. Strippers make their living by lying to men. You can't believe a thing they say. Some of us old timers have learned this the hard way.

===> "It's similar to the characters at Disney World. The people dressed up in the cartoon outfits hugging people aren't there to dupe anyone into thinking an animated mouse actually feels genuine affection for them."

I really don't want to derail this thread, but I haven't stopped chuckling since I read this comparison of strippers to Disney characters. Maybe I'm getting OTC girls in the wrong place, lmao. Next time I bring the little ones to Disney maybe I should see if Minnie Mouse wants to be bent over the side of my notel room bed afterwards getting her asked smacked while I pound away. 😂

The wisest hairless ape on the planet said “Strippers are supposed to be the girls you party with, not the ones you write romantic ballads about.”

Damn straight my brother from an ape mother. Maybe you write some dirty limericks, but no romantic ballads.

Read the last 15.

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You need to know your limits. Take in the amount of money you are comfortable with spending and when it runs out do not spend anymore. It’s okay to just get a few lap dances and enjoy the stage show with a little stage tipping.

Strippers are no worse than people in general. Their selfishness is just more practiced and scripted. Civie chicks offer something called "love", which in the majority of cases, turns out to be primarily a long con (of them as well as you). More expensive that stripper quick cons, even cumulatively. If a dude is hot enough to have plenty of hot fuck buddies, then yeah, no reason for any P4P. But that's a rare dude I think.

The world is shit, and we all feel cheated deep down. But you'll deal with that best by lowering your expectations. Not by venting on sex workers. They're already a group that's taken more shit than they deserve.

Strip clubs have replaced nothing in my life at all. They just ass to a great life in what used to be a great country. I think the problem for most people is they believe they are the "exception" and that a relationship with a paid performer is actually a relationship. I will never, ever understand the mindset of some guys, that they are being taken for a ride or cheated when they are in a relationship with a woman.

How common is OTC with strippers and how expensive? I think i am in love with a few strippers One of them lets me touch the pussy, take the pasties off which is apparently against the rules But doesnt seem so willing for otc or wants ti charge over $1000’ for it

^ It becomes more common if you ask more, guy (who trolls via asking a never-ending stream of increasingly inane questions).

Strip clubbing can ebb and flow in your life. It's not an appointment where you have to go once a week and drop a certain amount of cash.

But if it feels like a crutch, listen to that feeling. Bars aren't the only place to meet women. Go onto an app, join a club or social event and meet people there. And get in your reps talking to women. You're going to fuck up talking to them, and realize that isn't the end of the world.

I started adult life awkward and used strip clubs to fill the gap. They helped but weren't what ultimately gave me "game." Lots of reps dating did that.

@OP:

“I don't like to waste all my money.” - if you are wasting all your money, you are either not wealthy enough (yet) for SC’s, or you are over doing it. Dial this back.

“I've tried to quit several times…” - this is textbook addictive behavior. You need time with a solid counselor, not with strippers. This is nothing to be ashamed of, if you broke your leg you’d see a doctor, so see a counselor.

“I just like going to talk to girls because I don't know how to talk to them at bars.” - unless you’re very outgoing or a PUA, of course you don’t don’t know how to talk to women at bars. This is normal, esp in a world where online dating is how people meet. Quit wasting time hoping the right girl wandered into the bar at the same time as you, and get online. There are girls there that want to meet men for dates, even guys who have a hard time talking to girls.

“I get the sense that most strippers don't want to help you.” - they do not. Not any more than the gas station attendant, barista, waiter, or other service worker in your life. They want your BUSINESS. This doesn’t make them uncaring or inhuman, it just makes them professionals like everybody else. You won’t find help in a strip club.

My advice: stop going to clubs. Get a girlfriend in the normal way (online). Come back to the clubs when you are seeking a little diversion, not comfort.

Good luck, brother!

Before you go, decide how much you want to spend. Take that amount with you and leave your credit cards at home.

Think of strip clubs like a mini-vacation or a day at an amusement park. You don't do it every day, you do not even go every week. When you need a break, or to get away from the monotony of your routine, then you go to the strip club. Just like a vacation or a day at Six Flags, you budget. You determine how much you have, how much you need to enjoy yourself and make the trip worthwhile, and you determine an absolute spending ceiling. You know SCs are a cash business, so you bring that dollar amount and leave the CCs and DCs at home. I cannot tell you how many times I cursed myself at the club for leaving the plastic at home, and how relieved I was the next morning for leaving the plastic at hone. No regrets. Most of all - enjoy yourself. If you are not looking forward to it, happy while you are there, and refreshed when you leave, then maybe it is not right for you.

LDK82 - after reading your comments and discussions here over the years, I see that you have a specific approach and you seek out a specific type of pleasure.

You are also a clubber who knows how to get a good dance price.

So, I don’t think you were too young for strip clubs. But, you likely were wise beyond your age at 25.

You were not the average young guy hitting the strip clubs.

SirachaBob - I think you seem to be a less experienced club customer. There is a lot to learn about clubbing, and some knowledge can be found here. But, there is a considerable portion of emotional maturity that is needed to fully understand the customer/dancer interaction.

It is similar to college - in an odd way. You can study and understand theory, but nothing can replace the knowledge gained from getting out there.

Emotional maturity is necessary and it requires years of experience.

How expensive are hot strippers compared to hot escorts for otc Like $300’for an hour... or much more I love the strippers especially if they break the rules for you. Playing with johnny, rubbing the pussy, removing pasties... i dont think id ever get in a relationship unless it was some rich lady paying for me

At the $800+ an hour range that is what famous pornstars and instagram models charge for an hour... so if you’re paying a stripper that much it is a lot to pay...

It seems Not every club has negotiable dance prices...? Some seem To have set dance prices for everyone that you pay up front...? There’s actually clubs where dancers personally agree on a price with each customer?

I’d add that money management is a mindset. If you want to make decisions when you’ve had a few drinks that you want regret, as others have said, make decisions when you’re sober and don’t have a hot girl tempting you. If you have to leave cards at home or in the car because you don’t have the willpower to make good decisions, do it.

I’d suggest you figure out what you want to spend and bring it +$100. This way, you’ve got a little cushion and you won’t make a decision as to whether to get no dances, dances with one girl or a dance with the girl of your dreams at the end of the night based on that you have too little money. If you walk out of a club with $100 in your pocket, great. If you spent it all but had the time of your life, then as the commercial says “no regerts.” If you can’t afford the extra hundred, then just bring what you bring and tell yourself the last $100 in your pocket is only to be spent in case of emergencies like a stone cold ten wanting you to do tequila shots out of her ass crack.

===> "- unless you’re very outgoing or a PUA, of course you don’t don’t know how to talk to women at bars. This is normal, esp in a world where online dating is how people meet. Quit wasting time hoping the right girl wandered into the bar at the same time as you, and get online. There are girls there that want to meet men for dates, even guys who have a hard time talking to girls."

Drew, unless he's a complete moron, I doubt he was really trying to say that his only option to meet women was to pick them up in bars. To me what he was saying is that he struggles to deal with women. I'm guessing he's had this problem all his life - guys like that often do. While I do agree with your ultimate advice, it sounds like he may have a lot of work ahead of him before he just grabs himself a GF online.

Online dating is for people who can't meet anyone in person for a reason.

Just strike up a conversation with a girl who flirts with you. Anywhere. Grocery store your apt building wherever. If she likes how you look it doesn't really matter what you say all that much.

Strippers tend to be open to going out with. Not p4p. Guys they actually connect with. Or guys who promise to spend money on them.

But if you go just hoping a girl will approach you do all the work and seduce you. That's extremely rare. And especially in that setting

The strip clubs have many women trying to seduce though? You mean regular clubs?

I want to do otc what is that for an hour for the hotter strippers

Do strippers bend the rules for specific guys? Or just for all guys in order to get more customers I like the rule bending strippers...

The key point being ignored here is that the OP is experiencing PSE P4P with a woman he rates as 10/10. Finding a civie relationships like that is hard, even if a guy is young and carefully studies instructional materials such as these: youtube.com .

Whoops sorry, I got confused with another thread. But the point stands. There's no shame in it if the civie chick a guy can manage to knock boots with don't hold a candle to the P4P chicks whose rates he can afford. Even if he is younger.

If a guy pays a hooker he gets the same as what the other guy pays.

Theres stories posted here and on escort forums, suppsoedly guys go to the stripper or escort for OTC and their apartment bedroom has their boyfriend or husband playing video games... and you meet the stripper or escort in another room... basically their husband or bf knows they’re an escort and alow it

What kind of situations does this happen in, how often are guys pimping out their wives/gfs. Is it due to money problems or why does it seem so common. Seems to be a modern day thing

@siracha I think maybe the basic thing you need to grok is that sex workers reduce but don't eliminate the common aggravations that go with seeking to appease you trouser snake. If you go with the stripper option, at least at first, it's hard to avoid spending at least 3 or 4 hours a week in the club. Even if you don't get a single dance, baseline budget (including minimal stage tipping) of $40, potentially much higher depending where you live and how picky you are about which strip club.

Assume that, with AT LEAST 50% of strippers, after the first dance, you will not want a second (ever). So it's a big advantage when you're at a club where you can get a single-song dance. The vast majority of good dances that I get are from established favs. So I'm skeptical of clubs that cater to out-of-town PLs, as their dancers are unlikely to focus on making you want to come back regularly.

It's sad in a way, but strippers will see you as a nice guy if you are simply polite and pleasant. But exactly what they consider to be polite and pleasant varies, since people. I find that, even if she's smoking hot, she won't be the funnest fav if she's uptight, can't enjoy some bent humor. But, it's a Catch 22 if you expect then to go to town on Mr. Happy cause they think you're nice. That attitude tells them you are actually not nice. Strippers are the right option if you can leave the club happy with two way, non-rough, no mouth contact. More than that will make you happier, but you don't count on it. Otherwise, look into seeing escorts. In my experience, the quantity and quality of adult entertainment options vary HUGELY depending on where you live. So if AE is an important hobby for you, pick where you live accordingly.

To comply with the law, an escort only contracts to spend a certain amount of time with you. She's under no legal obligation to do anything sexual with you. So clearly, if she's only wants to get your money once, and for whatever reason is not that afraid you'll attack her, there will be no sex. I think I've seen well over 100 escorts, and I've only had this problem twice. The more common con is they don't remotely resemble their description/pictures. Sites like theeroticreview.com are the best way to avoid scammers. Never had a problem with someone literally trying to rob me. I never used backpage or similar, the sites with the rock-bottom rates. I think bargain rates are more associated with robbery and scams.

Sirachabob boyfriend pimps are very common and yeah its because of money problems or drug habits for the most part. That'd like the bottom tier of pimps. But I've seen situations where she genuinely takes care of him coz he's an addict or just can't do anything. Sometimes he's just a cuck but she loves him. It varies.

There are two sides to the strip-club-coin – seems you are only looking at this from your side and what you want and what you like and completely ignoring/oblivious to the dancers' side.

Strip-clubs are first-and-foremost a BUSINESS – they are there to make $$$ and make as much of it as possible – as we say around here “a strip-club is not a girlfriend supermarket” – a strip-club is not a singles-bar nor the place to go looking for love or a girlfriend.

If girls don’t give you the time of day in the real-world, what makes you think, or entitled, to them giving you the time of day in a strip-club – most of these girls already have an S.O. in the real world or can get one fairly-easily – they go to the club to MAKE MONEY, it’s their job – it’s how they pay the rent, their car-payment, and feed their kids if they have any – on top of that dancers have to pay the club to work there so they are already in the hole when they start their shift – so why would they sit their during their WORKING hours and talk to you for free – it’s their job to make you feel like they are into you just like it’s a waitress's job in a restaurant to bring you your food and periodically ask you if you want anything else; i.e. they are doing their job.

Dancers in strip-cubs are willing to give attention to custies in exchange for $$$ - it’s a 2-way-street – you pay for a service (attention/convo, dances, etc) , and the dancer provides that service like any other BUSINESS.

As has been said – strip clubs are kinda make-believe – the dancers pretend they like us, and we pretend to believe them – strip-clubs are about having access to women one either wouldn’t have access to in the real world, or have immediate-access to women w/o having to wine-and-dine them and investing time and energy to hopefully get something.

In essence – strip-clubs are pay-to-play – there are no free-lunches in life least of all in strip-clubs – as a custy your job is to try and get fair-value/service for your $$$ spent.

Strip-clubs will never be a substitute for a genuine-relationship – at the end of the day it’s a business-relationship and the best result is where both parties get what they want/need (custy gets companionship from an attractive-girl; dancer gets $$$ for her time and services).

Strip-clubs are at best a remedy, not a solution to being lonely – nothing wrong w/ strip-clubs and having fun in them as long as one knows what they are and what they-are-not – IMO nothing wrong w/ having fun in a strip-club vs sitting-at-home lonely/depressed/hard-up; but one needs to know and accept that kinda fun requires $$$ b/c the girls are there to provide a service and make-a-living not run some kinda charity for lonely-guys.

===> "Maybe I'm getting OTC girls in the wrong place, lmao. Next time I bring the little ones to Disney maybe I should see if Minnie Mouse wants to be bent over the side of my notel room bed afterwards getting her asked smacked while I pound away. 😂"

You're saying you don't? I thought every dad who brought their kids to Disney tried to bang one of the Disney Princesses.

Back to being on topic. I don't have a lot of experience with online dating. Okay, I have none. But, aren't there a fair number of bad actors out there too? Catfishing is a thing. Not trying to scare the guy off women altogether here, but the reality is the world isn't a safe and cozy place. Online or not.

^ If you have no experience in anything you're talking about then why are you talking about it at all?

Ibba what do you mean by two way non rough contact

Some strippers allow pussy touching. But only with a flat hand and rubbing, no fingering. Apparently she doesnt want fingers because of bacteria concerns. Is that true

Will strippers avoid kissing on the mouth? What about you sucking on their boobs You mentioned no mouth contact

Do strippers and escorts with bfs or husbands usually tell them about their jobs or keep it secret

One of the dances i got, she actually licked my ears all over and bit them! It was crazy

Papi Chulo what about strippers who go above and beyond the minimum like letting you finger or touch the pussy, taking the pasties off and more... isnt that something more

Dont strippers have an issue with LTRs since while many guys may want to have fun with them, many guys may not be okay with dating someone who is a stripper or escort...

Are there strippers who actually lie and tell customers they love them

How common is OTC and how do you initiate it. It seems there are many concerns on both sides like physical safety, legal safety, infection concerns from sex, etc...

^ Look at this guy's posting history. His weird trolling gimmick is asking a never-ending series of increasingly inane questions to string people along.

I mean go ahead and keep responding if that's fun for you, but siracha isn't actually looking for answers.

@siracha frankly, from your questions, it sounds like you need some professional counseling about relating to other people in general, not strippers specifically. Most of your questions could only be answered for particular dancers or escorts, not dancers and escorts in general. Of the dancers I gotten dances from, only a very small percentage were OK with kissing, boob sucking, or generally my mouth on them. But I didn't try to change their mind by offering more $. Many here describe different experiences. It may be, in say Florida for example, dancers feel like they have to compete harder with other dancers, so they allow more than what's typical elsewhere.

I think, to some degree, my personal preferences enter into this. A few dancers have grabbed the back of my head and slammed their nipples into my mouth. After that, sucking a reluctant boob pretty much loses any appeal.

"Two way contact" means you can touch her and she will touch you anywhere below the neck except the genital/butthole area. "Rough" is trickier, individual for the dancer, so best to err on the side of caution. It will make the dance tense if she has to tell you you're being too rough.

Yes, maintaining a relationship with an SO is harder for strippers than people in general.

Only had one stripper tell me she loved. She also said she should have my baby before I was too old to have one.

Many strippers, perhaps at a higher rate than people in generally, have extremely toxic personalities. They are too toxic to have long-term regulars (unless the regular is extremely self-hating). So they will try many quick cons. The most common one is convincing you that you have a shot at being their boyfriend.

Call me Ishmael youve gotta be kidding. Youre not able to determine what is and isnt trolling. If anything youre trolling. Its impossible to ask the questions im asking and be trolling. Theres no making fun of anyone, no annoying anyone, just actual questions

I am looking for answers

Ibba a few dancers actually play with your private area but its through the pants. Like jerking it through the pants. And also allow touching of their genital area, and taking pictures. Is all that pretty uncommon in vip dances

Ibba i reread your comment, thought you meant boyfriend initially. Why are strippers unable to maintain long term regulars? Do they do something to the regulars over time that turns them off Or is it simply due to the regulars just finding other clubs and strippers they’re attracted to This one stripper drives me crazy with her rule breaking, but she seems to have concerns with otc and fingering. She also has kids already

^ I appreciate that you rushed back to prove my point.

Icee i couldnt dm you You mentioned boyfriend pimps Is there a specific look to the husband or boyfriend pimps? I thought it would be a drug addict or emasculated type of guy being a boyfriend pimp but this one looks normal? Idk if she is an escort but she strips and allows pussy touching and etc. why would the guy allow it since he doesnt look like an addict or anything. Are some guys just okay with dating strippers who let guys touch them everywhere. Is it considered not cheating if the girl doesnt allow fingering or sex but allowe everything else

I never went to strip clubs until after I was married, and fairly established. The reason I go is that I like to flirt, talk, hang out, look at, (and more) with beautiful young girls that aren’t my wife. Unlike a bar, club, beach, or other “civilian” social gathering, I can leave that “2 hour affair” at the strip club with no strings attached. No one is going to call me the next day, and no one at the strip club is going to judge me for participating in what the club is intended to provide.

An interesting note about social skills is that I truly believe that going to strip clubs has helped me to be more confident in my social and professional interactions - especially with young, attractive women.

@Siracha I'll just say, ask the individual dancer about what she personally is OK with. Some of them will get mad if you even ask for something, even if you ask in a non-badgering way. But those are the ones you general would not want to be their regular anyway.

Who’s to say what healthy is?

Bacon?

Someone earlier posted about the seeking arrangements website

Any experienced with this? Whats a reasonable rate to pay for an hour meeting once a month? $300 is pretty good, once a month for an hour?

I did browse some profiles on the seeking website, i dont know if its the right one. Website is called seeking, not seeking arrangement

The majority of the quality was very disappointing compared to eros or tryst...

Question: How to have a healthy relationship with a strip club?

Answer: Spend your money on world travel.

"I don't like to waste all my money" set a budget. only bring that with you.

"First off - if you go to clubs - you should post a few reviews." yes, please do.

"I just like going to talk to girls because I don't know how to talk to them at bars" can you talk to them other places? Then you can talk to them at bars. Practice. Start with simple safe things. Don't push it. the idea is to get comfortable approaching a woman. Build on the confidence.

Be interesting. read. go to movies, art galleries, concerts, take up a hobby or two. "Spend your money on world travel." You will have interesting things to discuss with a woman. Women like spending time with interesting men. You will have date ideas.

"They just say that you SHOULD go to the club and spend your hard earned money." every service provider in my life says i should hire them more often and get add on services. my mechanic, my landscaper, my barber all want me to spend more for their services. I discuss what i will get for my money. then i decide if i am buying or not. This same tactic works with strippers.

I went wooo wooo wooo and I wooooed da club and swept it off it's foundations! Den I picked it up sky high and it fell for me hard!!! It was in pieces