Unsettled Strip Club Topics on the TUSCL Boards?
Friday, March 11, 2022 4:01 AM
After looking through a few recent flare ups instigated by the usual suspects, it got me thinking about what the big unsettled issues really are among the TUSCLers.
If we're honest about how the political dumping ground got so popular around here, maybe it's out of boredom because we mostly agree on the basic hobby ins and outs. Or do we? Did the TUSCL vets just tacitly agree to disagree? Is that even possible?
Other than the "front room" subject that has one or two vocal members (plus Subra when he feels like trolling) vs the world, are there any others? Buying Club VIP memberships? Having favorite dancers vs playing the field? ITC vs OTC? To kiss or not to kiss the strippers?
If we're honest about how the political dumping ground got so popular around here, maybe it's out of boredom because we mostly agree on the basic hobby ins and outs. Or do we? Did the TUSCL vets just tacitly agree to disagree? Is that even possible?
Other than the "front room" subject that has one or two vocal members (plus Subra when he feels like trolling) vs the world, are there any others? Buying Club VIP memberships? Having favorite dancers vs playing the field? ITC vs OTC? To kiss or not to kiss the strippers?
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Pandemic started, my travel went from always on the road to being stuck at home.
Once things started to return to somewhat normal, my travel was still (and still is) greatly reduced and coincidently I am not returning to the places I used to visit that had “good” strip clubs.
Given the raviews over the past year in regards to some of my old haunts I really am in no rush to go back to be price gouged, crammed into a club because half the ones in the area are now out of business and see sub par lineups. I’m not saying it’s like that everywhere but it appears that’s the case in most of the places I used to go. Perfect example: Detroit.
I feel like I’ll wake up one day and all the clubs will be like they were pre-pandemic but I know that’s not likely to happen. One this the pandemic has taught me is to become incredibly patient, so I can wait it out for better days.
How much cash should you bring?
Why isn't glitter outlawed yet?
If Russia is going to hack us, can they start with the strippers on their i-phones in da club?
One of the big discussions of the past seemed to be on LDK. There are guys who love it, and there are those who are very much against it. I have nothing against it, but I just don’t do it.
Skibum also makes an excellent point. Me and many others here probably do not want anyone to know we are strip clubbing…
Reviews in my history.
I think where posts go off the rails is when contributors go from offering their opinions to judging other's. People don't post on here so they can be told they are criminals or pedophiles or psychopaths or sexual deviants or have no game or are mentally unstable, etc... Especially when the members making those "professional evaluations"...could look into a mirror and see that same person with those same issues staring right back at them.
I mean, I often will post about mistakes I've made at a club. I just went out last night...made multiple mistakes. I don't mind people poking fun or pointing out that I could have done something differently. We've all left the club with a bit of remorse over what we spent or whether we should have done this or that. I just hope we can still have a decent conversation before the whole thing devolves into random nonsense and users throwing feces at each other.
My own personal pet peeve is people posting ‘advice’ that’s not based on their own personal knowledge but based on what they’ve read here. They are just repeating what someone else said. “I’ve never been to Detroit but my recommendation based on reading reviews is that you do this.” Ugh.
The above does not apply to the politics forum. Enter there at your own risk and wear your flame retardant underwear. No rules in that forum and I’m ok with that.
I'm sure their are a few PL's that are disgusted by and try to ignore all my annoying pictures.
And the young guys flashing money.... its always like 5 guys each takes out 200 in one's. They make a stack and take turns posing for instagram. Lulz
I think it's heading in the right direction though (slowly). Ten years ago, the idea of decriminalizing or legalizing sex work wasn't even on the table. Now there are several states and cities where it's regularly debated. Thought there's plenty of guys on here who love hating on young people, they seem to be a lot less prone to knee-jerk judgementalism when it comes to sex work (and other things). I suspect that it will slowly lose its stigma over the next 10 to 20 years, sort of the same way that pot has gone from the "devil weed" to something that has both recreational and medical uses.
Once one has been exposed to more unrestricted venues, like I was at one of our underground places where most of the dancers, starting with a core group of Latinas, were doing Front Room FS and everything else you could want, then you can't really take the FemBot presentation at face value anymore.
And so you see that Extras and Buying Dancers are just gimmicks invented to separate marks from their money, while the girl does not have to open herself up psychologically to you at all.
SJG
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I think you've hit on one of the two big trends on this sub. This sub isn't particularly newbie friendly (more on this in a moment) so we have a lot of relative veterans, all of whom for which topics like LDKing and OTC and "how should I tell the stripper no" etc etc are all pretty much settled. We've all converged on the same things, either because we've been doing this for 20 years and discovered it independently, or recognized good advice here and adopted it.
The other big trend is, as I mentioned, this sub isn't newbie friendly, which leads to a lack of fresh perspectives from people who haven't adopted the forum consensus and/or just don't have the experience to know the answers to everything. The reasons for this include the fact that the forum can be tough -- there are times when the front page threads are at least half trolls, and even on other threads the trolls manage to take many discussions off course.
Per the above, you are fooling yourself if you think everyone wants to date them. I am perfectly fine with them putting the "worker" in "sex worker." I want a pleasant, orgasmic interaction, then to be gone. I don't even want to call one my CF or LTF.
You and Icee seem to think it's a coup to date them, when you might as well be bragging about your consummate skill at tiddlywinks.
You're also the two Kings of Telling People How to Have Fun, so you're only fooling yourselves.
First of all I don't relate to the concept of "fun" at all.
Second, most of the time unattached women can be gotten to. Maybe you don't want to do car keys and wallet dates with her, but if you have selected her then it would seem like you would want to bang her.
So if this is not so with the women at your strip clubs, then go someplace else, some place where they have women you like.
And as far as this being an unsettled issue, I think it is an area where there is substantial disparity of views. But no, things do not have to be settled.
SJG
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The fuck this even mean?
Want to bang, yes. Not want to date, or even bring back to my house to bang.
If people could live and let live, this would be pretty settled.
That is very unsettling.
Bingo. One of the things I appreciate about the r/stripclubs reddit is that it's much more open to guys who are new to strip clubs (or have been away for a long time). On here, a new guy has to wade through decade-old inside jokes and being treated like shit for no discernible reason (not unlike most dancers arriving here...) before they can participate in any discussion. Most people justifiably don't want to deal with that.
Now if I can accomplish something I will feel exhilaration.
But no, I don't seek chemical mood alteration, like alcohol, marijuana, or that endorphin rush from ejaculation. These are just escapes.
And your own home is a good place to bang a girl. It is paid for, and it tells her that you like her and that you want her to know about you.
So if the women who dance in strip clubs are not ones you want to bang in your own home, why don't you go someplace where the have girls you do want to do that with.
The standard critique of men retaining prostitutes is that they are paying them to go away. That is, getting to a woman and getting her to spread her legs is not that difficult. The reason the money is being paid is because the guy does not want her thinking she is now somehow involved with him.
SJG
The Baker Gurvitz Army - Memory Lane
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It's called "the VIP," honey.
Sounds like it is like what is always alleged, that you like to deal with women by paying them to go away.
Your choice, but why not find the ones you don't want to have go away?
SJG
so for some VIP means "Vasectomy Is Preferred"
SJG
Most women who are no longer being supported by their parents are getting money, material, or social advantage through the men that they fuck.
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That's called "dating."
You know, for the TUSCLer most scarred by his own divorce, it's hilarious to hear you advise _anyone_ on non-P4P women.
The women you pay to fuck you are working as well. Honestly it's no big deal to just say you like hoes.
I have friends who fuck hookers and they have the best stories about them. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
Icey, "A mistress is an anachronistic concept."
No, it is pretty much standard in Europe, Latin America, and in Asia and Africa. Less so in the English speaking countries, and the only place where people don't seem to understand is the US.
Icey, you can try to make employment a necessary standard for women, but with those in strip clubs they are there because that is how they get their money. So if they are there on call for you, you best be expecting to give them money.
And even women with paying employment have often gotten that through the men they fuck.
And to return to strip clubs, that is their paying employment, so if you want to be with them, best be ready to be giving them money.
SJG
Except that you can't stop talking about yourself, your org, your harebrained philosophy on this or that. Wherever your "privacy wall" exists, you sit squarely outside of it.
I went to the grocery store this morning. They gave me yogurt, fruit, and chicken, but I honored their choice with money. Just like with women!
So you treat women differently according to their profession.
You understand that giving to a hooker results in her having sex. Without yhe money she would not have sex with you.
SJG is a scratch-and-sniff book of solipsistic behaviors.
and Icey, the girls who work at strip clubs should be given money because knowing that they will be getting money is what allows them to be there. It is a show of respect and of care.
"You understand that giving to a hooker results in her having sex. Without yhe money she would not have sex with you."
But this does not necessarily mean that she is literally being paid for having sex with you, or that that money is necessarily her only motive.
SJG
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Do you pay rent as a sign of care and generosity to your landlord or would you be evicted if you didn't?
I do not have a more complex relationship with my landlord, and I do not seek to have such.
But the beautiful girls in strip clubs are an entirely different story.
SJG
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SJG
This is not necessarily true, especially since it sounds like you are talking about it being outside the club.
But experienced womanizers around the world usually do seem to want to keep giving them Mistress Maintenance. It could be cash, or it could be material, or it could be social advantage. You don't want her to think that you are just trying to get something for free from her. You want her to know that you respect her.
SJG
The reality is you pay to fuck and it's okay to admit.
And when you try to ask him the last time he's used any of this stuff in the club, or even when his last time in the club was, it's that same response we all know: My f2f life is private, blah blah blah. Which to me translates to "I haven't been in the club in over two decades." He talked at great length about his experiences at AMPs on this very site, SLD used to link them all the time. But all of a sudden he can't talk about any recent club visits because privacy wall or some shit.
It's a guy who doesn't go to strip clubs, trying to give everyone advice on what they should be doing in strip clubs. And telling them to stay away from strip clubs if you don't want to date the women there.
Look, I'll never tell another grown man how to spend his money. But this site has taken a weird turn recently. Things I WILL criticize are as follows:
Premature ejaculators who treat cumming in their own pants like it's a cause célèbre. I mean come on now, lol.
Guys who post about stalking dancers, even if they can't understand that this what they are doing. C'mon dude - shake it off.
Guys who post absurd harlequin romance stuff about a girl being paid to run her ass in his lap. Again, c'mon dude.
Anyone, if the feeling of man juice matting your leg hairs the whole ride home feels like victory, you do you, man.
I have no way of proving this, but your summary sounds more plausible the more time I spend in these discussions.
If a guy can come in his pants just from having an ass rubbed in his clothed crotch then by all means go yee forth, lol. In some respects I envy guys who can blow their loads for $60 with a hot girl in a VIP/LD room. But celebrating premature ejaculations in one's own pants is weird and not a little creepy.
For someone who brags about timing his purchases of ass to rent being due, as being "less creepy" than the LDKers, is like a Stage 4 brain cancer patient bragging that he's healthier than a Stage 4 pancreatic cancer patient.
Just because you bought a world series ring on eBay doesn't mean you can throw a wipeout slider.
You think that those Navy guys who pour into Bangkok or Tijuana en masse after weeks without any tail, and with cash burning holes in their pockets, aren't cheering each other on just because they're paying for it?
Now imagine one of those same guys emerging from a private room after he just blew a load in his own pants. Do you think he walks out, announces it to the group and then puts his hand up for high fives? Fuck no. Instead he lies about how he pounded the shit out of her as he slides into the bathroom to clean the mess out of his pants before anyone notices. 😉
, announcing he just blew a load in his own pants, and putting his hands
P4P hot ass is great. It just isn't earned.
Again, so what? Again you're entitled to your opinion, but if you really believe that fucking a hot woman equates with splooging in your own pants from a lil rubbing just because there is cash involved then I think we're at impasse. 😉
As I have mentioned many times, I enjoy fucking dirty strippers. I don’t expect anyone to high five me as I walk out of VIP trying to conceal my arousal.
Strip clubs are odd places, for guys to do odd things, and pay odd amounts of money to have the experience. Most of what we do ITC could appear odd to others looking in. There are varying levels of odd, as there are fetishes, and there are just regular club goers. But it’s mostly all good.
But, considering that we've had guys on here post rape fantasy (one hopes it is fantasy...) and brag about skating along the hairy edge of statutory rape (and occasionally brag about crossing that line), guys who drive home with a puddle in their pants is relatively innocuous.
It's hard to tell to what degree it's a fetish versus frugality. I know that there are guys who talk about it in terms of cost savings alone. At the same time, I've seen other conversations that go pretty deep in the weeds on what brand of pants, underwear, fabric choices, etc., etc., and that makes it sound more like a fetish.
I'm not an LDK guy, and I never will be. But I'm also not going to kink shame anyone as long as there's consent all around.
Yes it is great! If the money you spent was earned, I’d say you earned that p4p, just as much as you earned that new car or house or vacation.
Eventually I would think that most will see that Extras is not really sensible concept and that buying dances is a chump's game.
SJG
Rick has always made it clear how he feels about dudes who cum from lap dances. However I don't understand his calling it premature ejaculation. It's a girl rubbing her ass on your dick. Yes it's through clothes, but the friction produced gives enough pleasure to a dick to where doing it long enough can bring a guy to orgasm. Is it the fact that the guy is wearing pants still? If he takes his pants down and she rubs her naked ass against his dick and he comes, do you consider that premature ejaculation? If so, then I guess you're saying that a handjob to orgasm is also premature ejaculation, same with a tittyfuck to orgasm.
There is no implied deal or contract.
And then with extras, what happens is what happens, but there is no "extra" because there is no basic service.
And TFP, guys who LDK have had to learn how to come easier and faster, so it is like premature. Better to take women slow and easy and only come after she has gone over the top a few times from G-Spot massaging and all. Let it get as intense as possible.
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It's like quicksand. The more you try to fight it that faster you sink lol.
Welcome to the TUSCL remake of "Groundhog Day".
You have to know what you are doing, what you are trying to communicate.
SJG
This argument js insane.
Thanks, now I cannot forget the idea of SJG looking like Bill Murray.
Yep.
But this does not mean that you are engaging in quid pro quo.
SJG
No, this is just not true. In the vast majority of couples I know, men and women get together because they are attracted to one another, see the other person as a solid partner to build an equal life with, or both. Relationships aren't transactions, they're mutual partnerships.
Now in your case, I could see how you might have arrived at this opinion. You let us all know that you had some kind of mail order bride from Mexico, and haven't been married otherwise. Did I get that right? If that's true, of course someone in that position is after your money. If that and sex workers (however you hand them money) are your experience of women, then I can see how you arrived at this conclusion, because they actually are literally all just after your money. Because it's their job.
If you only ever ate out at restaurants, and literally no one in your life had every cooked you a meal because they love you and want you to eat something tasty, but rather every single person that cooked you a meal did it because they were looking to get paid for their time plus a tip: you might very reasonably come to the conclusion that cooks are just out to get your money. Because they are!
You are generalizing your limited experience to a wide world of women, and showing your lack of experience.