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Hi this is first post on the forum. There is only one SC locally and I started going a few months ago, once every few weeks. Been going a bit more regularly now and last week got a dance from a really good dancer who has already become my favourite. I went way over my budget last week with this girl, but ultimately no regrets. You only live once and and it's not a financially crippling amount although I can't afford to be spending that regularly.
Brings me to my first question on here. I'd like to get a dance from this girl regularly each week when she is working. What is the etiquette in negotiating a price? I'd be looking to pay a bit less for the dances but get them more regularly, rather than spending a lot all at once and then nothing. Do dancers generally offer "discounts" for stuff like that, and if so what would a fair % reduction generally be?
Brings me to my first question on here. I'd like to get a dance from this girl regularly each week when she is working. What is the etiquette in negotiating a price? I'd be looking to pay a bit less for the dances but get them more regularly, rather than spending a lot all at once and then nothing. Do dancers generally offer "discounts" for stuff like that, and if so what would a fair % reduction generally be?
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1. This is all I've got. What can we do.
2. I would like to give you X, but then I would never be able to do it again.
3. I didn't come here last week because I only had X.
But once you have paid X+50, you're kind of stuck unless you stay away for a while.
Sorry.
It is dangerous to show your cards with a dancer, and hope they give you a discount. At this point it might be best to enjoy the variety in your nearby club. Don’t get locked down by one dancer.
I'm sure you're thinking that she should be happy to lock down xx amount of income over time, but that's vanilla world thinking. In the strip club customers come and go. You're not exactly signing a contract with her, lol. It's purely discretionary spending. You could fall in lust with someone else, run out of money, pick another club, stop going to clubs, etc.,etc., at any moment, all of which she knows all too well.
Most dancers aren't going to give a discount today for money that they may very well never see tomorrow. But you can certainly negotiate with her regarding today's price if you're spending enough that a discount is still worth her effort, but even that's a crap shoot.
So as others have said. enjoy her when you can truly afford it and do something else when you can't. Simple.
In general, there are huge benefits to being a stripper's regular, but those benefits tend to come as YMMV (her giving you more of her time *voluntarily*) and/or more mileage (her allowing you to touch more, or touching you more, than her random customers). YMMV can be pretty huge and awesome. But a volume discount on her base pay is not what leads to YMMV
If you want to get better mileage for your $, and you are certain she's the only one you want and you're going to spend all your money on her each trip, then you can really lean into being her regular. Get her phone number. Text her to make appointments with her. Ask her when her slowest time is, and go in then. This all potentially makes you a more valuable customer to her, and is more likely to lead to all kinds of YMMV.
Also, welcome to the board and preemptive apologies for DesertScrub.
I’m sorry hunnie, if you were my regular, I would love to see you regularly but it would not make the price any less. ❤️
Customers often have distorted ideas about what's a "fair" amount for strippers to charge. Most strippers get into the job with reluctance. It complicates their love lives, relations with friends and family, future options in life, and puts them at risk for annoying or even dangerous harassment. Yes, there are some dancers who feel like they "find themselves" as dancers. But their enthusiasm makes them especially popular, so they can demand a premium rate. As we all do if we can.
But anyway, strip clubs are well oiled machines for separating marks from their money. Buying dances is chumps game, and anyone who does not know this is simp.
Two great threads:
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7860…
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7846…
Welcome to TUSCL foxacid!
SJG
If you are a decent guy, and you are a decent spender, then you might become a dancer’s regular. There can be benefits, as mentioned above, but there are major differences in how dancers treat their regulars.
At that point, the dancer will walk away, sometimes pissed and sometimes just shrugging it off. Now, I'd say about 1 out of every 4 of those dancers will come back to me later on in the same night and give a new price that's *steeply* discounted from the originally quoted price. But that's not me negotiating; that's the dancer either conceding or figuring out that her original quote was crazy high.
I don't let dancers rip me off, but at the same time I don't walk into a strip club thinking I can haggle like I'm at a flea market or an estate sale. Because you're haggling over an experience that has to be delivered by the dancer after the haggling stops. And if she feels like you nickel-and-dimed her, then you're probably going to get the most tepid dance of your life.
SJG
Save some money: stay home and jerk yourself off you cheap fuck.
'a' dance as in singular and you want negotiate price? You're in no position to negotiate anything buddy. Now if you're offering more you can see about negotiating time. Depending on club policy that can include dances.
alldaylong, a dance in this context meaning the equivalent of several dances. At this SC a dance is quite short in time, some prefer to pay for several and get them as part of one longer uninterrupted dance.
Not sure what is meant by the buying dances being stupid. Isn't that the point of a SC? If you're not buying dances you're just sitting at the bar drinking or watching the pole performances (which aren't happening all the time and can sometimes be a while between dancers)
For the reasons that other posters have explained, I personally never try to negotiate discounts. Even só, I sometimes inadvertently get offered one. (When that happens, if all goes well, I pay full price. Some of my best relationships started that way.)
w/o knowing the basics of you club, harder to say what can be done – it’ll help if you state which club it was and what the per dance cost is.
There is also the factor that in many clubs the dancers have to give the club a cut of each dance – if the club you go to always has a staff-person by the dance-area, good chance he’s a dance-counter keeping track of each dance by each dancer so she pays the house their cut – so as a custy one needs to keep that in mind.
Another factor is how much one is spending per visit – when most of us were newbies we thought spending a 100-bucks was a small-fortune but this is mere starter $$$ in a club – thus the amount you intend to spend per visit may play a role w.r.t. whether it’s worth her time to work w/ you.
Regulars do often get preferential treatment – I would say first find out if your club offers block-of-time dances; if not perhaps you can discuss this w/ the dancer (i.e. agree on a block of time instead of going song-by-song) – dancers often go out of their way to work w/ regulars since they will often get all the regular’s $$$ vs him spreading it around or finding someone else that will work w/ him.
You need to accept the fact that she will say no to any discounts, or be pissed, but she could also decide to work w/ you if it’s a fair-offer and you are only spending on her.
The info given here probably still applies but I think everyone here was responding based on U.S. strip-clubs
If that's your discretionary budget then you're really wasting it on something so frivolous as lapdances. Go have a few pints with your mates or something, maybe after you hit the gym to make yourself more appealing to regular ladies. You sound young and this is a bad way to spend very limited money.
In fact, this rick doesn’t even want to contemplate the kind of hairless British ape willing to do the kind of unspeakable things that get us ricks off for £100. She probably some Scottish chick that’s been swimin’ around in Loch Ness.
Here’s my rickvice: spend all your disposable income on booze and just fantasize about sex. If your disposable income is only £100 you’ll be better off. Or go fuck Nessie. Whatever. Now where the fuck is my drivin’ whiskey? ROAR!!!
Gammanu95 makes a good suggestion. If the chunnel to FKK clubs in the EU is an option for the OP’s situation, that could be a cost effective solution.
Ordered a half rack I asked the guy if the beens were spicy. Big black dude says I'll give them to you for free if you like them come back up and pay.
Reading this thread was thinking how this could apply at the SC.
Wow you're gorgeous I'll take four lap dances pls, and wondering if your BJ's are hot? Well sweetie I'll give you one for free if you like it then you pay
BTW beans were so so and gave the $3 😊
Anymore that's an escort line
There's also a third type but they don't last long: Pathetic guys who really can't afford to be there so often but do it anyway because they crave the female attention. They spend what they can, but sooner or later the cost and futility of it all combine to drive them away.
Most regular club hounds spend multiples of that amount per visit. Most of them could go on one or more expensive vacation for what they spend on strippers each year, but at those spending levels other opportunities often open up. So in essence their "payoff" from that spending is part increased stripper attention (they know who these guys are), part "thrill of the chase" and part satisfaction from landing the score.
What you are proposing is to the stuck in the middle pathetic guys, burning through a bill a week for a few minutes of an ass in your lap. It's the worst of all worlds, burning good cash just to get a hardon while never experiencing anything more because you don't spend enough to hold her interest for long.
But hey man, i'll never tell another grown man how to spend his hard earned money, so go yee forth and all.
I agre with your point, but not the dentist example. Dentists have a fuckton of different rates depending on whether you have insurance and who your carrier is. Same teeth and procedures and a rainbow of prices depending on who is paying.
On topic, I negotiated dance prices way back when. I was on a tighter budget and only going to the club every few months. I usually just asked for a bulk discount 5 or 6 dances with one freebie. I was moderately ‘successful’ in getting dancers to agree, but gradually learned my success came at some cost. A few dancers would be irritated, but most would be good. If I enjoyed it, I’d want to tip them anyway or pay full price next time to show appreciation so it never really saved much money except on that first trip or with girls who I didn’t enjoy. Chances are, if I didn’t enjoy it, I would’ve stopped after one or two dances and so probably cost myself some money. It ain’t worth it. Now that I have more fun funds and go more often. I don’t haggle. If the price isn’t fair I just channel my inner Nancy Reagan and just say no. Sometimes hard if the girl is really hot, but you gotta enjoy it and feeling like you paid too much usually but not always puts a stench on the experience.
One other point, you should distinguish between negotiating for dances (usually a set price) and negotiating for extra services, VIP (in the US, VIP rooms are timed and include more stuff than you’d get in a dance), and OTC (outside the club) activity. Every single one of these guys hardline telling you not to negotiate for dances will 100% tell you to negotiate for those other service and to be crystal clear about what you are paying and what you are getting. And they’d be right.
Whether or not you enjoy this hobby depends as much on what you are looking for as what you are spending. If you are looking for sex and are under fifty then working out and improving your looks would be a good way to go. If you work out, keep your weight normal and eat a good diet not only is it easier to get the attention of women but you also will feel better, have lower medical bills and will end up living longer. I started my strip club hobby after fifty when my girlfriend was pressuring me to let her move in with me and I realized I would rather have her dump me than have her living with me.
Are u familiar with FKK clubs in Germany and other parts of Europe like Austria?
If u write a good strip club visit review and it gets approved u get free TUSCL VIP for 30-days and can read the reviews - FKKs are a lot better bang-for-the-buck:
https://tuscl.net/listing-reviews.php?id…
https://tuscl.net/article.php?id=29904
https://tuscl.net/member-reviews.php?id=…
So dances are fine, don't let that one user tell you otherwise.
Buying Dances in strip clubs is a fairly new idea. And it is a preposterous way of interacting with the women.
a great thread where this is discussed at length. Even TFP weighs in.
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7846…
The idea of Buying Dances gets to the specifics of our laws, and also to how one very large operator destroyed San Francisco's clubs.
When you walk into a Clip Joint, you will right away know that this is something you have experience before, the confidence game.
We like to describe that experience of knowing you have felt it before with the French term, deja vu.
SJG
“Buying dances in strip clubs is a fairly new idea.”
This quote should show that he has no current knowledge of strip clubs.
His views are based on outdated and highly disturbed views formed with limited experience, and they provide no reasonable insight regarding the current strip club offerings. Just look at the photos he posts and how he believes he is forming an organization to enslave attractive females, if you want more evidence.
First, I think Mr. Fox has to increase his budget. But Phil, you may say, that is easier said than done. Au contraire mon frère. The trick is not for Mr. Fox to increase his income. The trick is for Mr. Fox to decrease his expenses.
Think about it. All you really need in life is a place to sleep, a place to eat, and a place to shit and piss. I think Mr. Fox can find a cardboard box and a hibachi and he’s got the first two covered. Hibachi means mmm mmm good hot meals. As for a place to piss and shit I think the answer to that is simple: at a safe distance from the cardboard box and hibachi.
Now all of Mr. Fox’s income can be spent on strippers. Well, maybe a little on actual food for the hibachi. You know, when the dumpster diving doesn’t turn up anything scrum-dilly-icious. And perhaps he should get some pots to collect rainwater for showers. But still, virtually all of his income can be for strippers.
Second, I didn’t think Mr. San Jose wanted to enslave pretty girls. I thought he just figured they’d wanna hang with him once the organization was humming along. You know…for all the treats he cook on his hibachi.
Strip Clubs are well oiled fine tuned machines for separating marks from their money.
But you don't need to take strip clubs at face value and you don't need to play along with them. There is nothing wrong about the women who work there. They are exactly what they appear to be. You just have to get them completely off script, and this is not that hard to do.
Buying Dances is something which was invented after Jim and Artie Mitchell were acquitted in their felony criminal trial, removing all legal risks, and after dot com speculator money inflated San Francisco real estate into the stratosphere, making strip clubs untenable.
So in came Deja Vu, converting them to Clip Joints. And since, the Buying Dances model of club has proliferated across the country.
But the good news is that you don't have to play along with it!
SJG
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