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Do any companies still let you expense dances?

As a travel expense? Someone was claiming to me recently that business travelers often put (air) dances at the Cheetah Lounge in Atlanta on their corporate American Express card.

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RTP

Did big companies ever allow this? I started working in the 80’s and it was not allowed then.
My guess is that you could possibly do this at privately held firms or your own business, but doubt that any company with shareholders would allow this.

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chunkychicano

Maybe it works if the name of the place can pass for a restaurant or regular spot. you can definitely expense most hookah lounges so maybe thats how they did the cheetah lounge

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georgmicrodong

I would expect that companies will not allow expenses for strip clubs. People do that so that it doesn't show up on their personal card. They they just reimburse the company.

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nj_pete

When Istarted at a corporate job in the 1995 and traveled a few times a year you , technically, could not expense an alcoholic drink (although everyone ignored that rule). So certainly not any expenses for a strip club. One thing that was nice however was that you could travel say on Saturday for a Monday meeting and expense the weekend costs. I was able to get to a few strip clubs around the country and Canada that way. Had my first LDK thanks to paid travel.

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rickdugan

I don't ever remember a company ever covering personal strip club expenses during travel. Tbh I just can't imagine it, even back in the wild old days.
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Client entertaining in strip clubs was a different story. It used to be quite common. Back in the day my corporate Amex took quite a beating in places like Camelot in DC, the old Scores in NYC and the Glass Slipper in Beantown.
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But everything changed during the recession in 2001. Companies in my industry started cracking down on strip club entertaining and, when things got better again, it never returned. The expensing of personal alcohol consumption also got scaled back, though this did not apply to client entertaining (still doesn't in a lot of places).

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ilbbaicnl

Usually clubs are careful that the business name that shows up on the CC bill could just be that of a restaurant or general bar. When I've traveled for work, I probably could have gotten away with a lap dance or two with my burger. Sales and after sales support people can usually spend more per day, it's assumed they are inviting customers along and picking up the whole tab.

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ilbbaicnl

I think companies cracked down on expensing strip club visits because of lawsuits. If a woman is suing because she didn't get promoted or was let go, she can claim she was put in a window seat because things were decided during convo in the strip club. If she's suing for sexual harassment, she can use the canard that stripping is always human trafficking. If Jim doesn't care that the lap dancer isn't really consenting, he won't care if his behavior towards his female coworkers is unwanted.

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stripperlover777

🟡 ' ' ' ' ' ' ' Since your supporting a

business of the community that's boosts morale & women needing money,
yeah, it's justified !
Adult entertainment is always needed for social spirit, our adults needing support, good business practice, economy. It is essentially the goodwill & backbone of our generation being together & helps to support all walks of life!

🔺 Luv, Adrenaline, Thrive & Celebrate '

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rickdugan

===> "Usually clubs are careful that the business name that shows up on the CC bill could just be that of a restaurant or general bar."
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They've been doing that for at least 30 years that I know of. But nowadays most large corporate A/P departments have become savvy to it and use software that will flag it, especially if the expense is large.

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stripperlover777

' 🍇' 🍇' 🍇' ' ' ' ' ' ' Sometimes,
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it depends on how your charging the expense & how it shows up.
For example, some strip clubs have a name like Rachel's Steakhouse, your buying food & your card charge might look like a restaurant name, so you can maybe get away with throwing in a dance.
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good score @ - nj_pete
with weekend travel expense info!

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rickdugan

stripperlover, most of those clubs have been using the same fake names for a long time. A lot of employee expense reporting software packages have been programmed to flag those names.

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Rightfield

I don't understand this. I personally know two corporate salesmen that were expected to provide prostitutes for influential buyers. One worked for a large machinery manufacturer, and he described a trip where he took older county board members to Mexico, and was embarrassed as to what he had to facilitate.

There's millions of dollars of machinery involved. These huge corporate players are known to play by the rules of the countries they operate in. Thus, they get in trouble for paying straight up bribes sometimes.

The shareholders would be pissed because you're facilitating a sale? I don't think so.

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goldmongerATL

The lady that processes our business travel has access to a database of unacceptable businesses. She caught some guy expensing a $1500 visit to a strip club as client entertainment. He did take a client but was fired anyway. Expense $200 or $300 and she might not have looked it up.

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chunkychicano

“ If Jim doesn't care that the lap dancer isn't really consenting”

What is this supposed to mean? Lap dances arent “real consent” because the customer is paying?
It is real consent. The dancer agrees to sell a lapdance for a given amount. If you put it this way then almost nobody is ever truly consenting

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rickdugan

Times are changing.
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When I first started my business 20 years ago, all of my client contacts were men and business dinners were common. I never brought a client to a strip club while operating under my own shingle. My motto has always been I may be a whore, but I'm not a pimp. I just don't want that type of reputation in my small pond. But I bought countless expensive steaks and many gallons of premium alcohol over the years, lol. I actually used to budget 2-3% of a client's annual contract for "givebacks" involving dinners like this, lol.
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But nowadays half of my client contacts are women. And whether men or women, far fewer are interested in being out after work with vendors - they want to be home with their families. It's been several years since I took a client out to dinner. Now instead I have lunch delivered to the office when I'm onsite. My last client dinner was probably in 2017 or 2018.
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Attitudes shift. Those of us who work in business settings must learn to shift with them.

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chunkychicano

Rick what kind of business or what industry? So you worked a corporate consulting type job before getting into your own business?

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CarlitosPeligro

Agree with all the points above. I’m in sales and it’s hard to get clients out to dinner anymore.
Strip club charges wouldn’t be reimbursed but I can reimburse a good amount for food and drink and could slip almost anything by with smaller cash expenses and creative writing. Between sarbanes-oxley and facp, (foreign and corrupt practices act?) etc things have been tightened up from the good old days. There are still a few moments when my boss might understand something is expected of a client to get a deal done but will essentially say he doesn’t want to know too much. People do get fired over this stuff.

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stripperlover777

' 🤠_ - - - - ' $$$ I wish I could own
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strip club, I would be mi own boss, & have strippers ready @ da' club
to rock n roll without limitations.
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Puddy Tat

Let you? I thought it was always about what you could get away with.
Old boss of mine said in a lot of places in Asia he was expected to buy clients sex.

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Baristafan

If you are the owner, sure.

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Studme53

In most hardcore sales jobs you can expense anything if helps you close the deal. You just don’t put “escort” or anything illegal on the expense voucher. My company has approved expenses for entertaining clients at clubs

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