Looking back at covid
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First off, those were people who died “with CoVid”, not necessarily “from CoVid”. The average person who died was 82 years old and had 4 co-morbidities like COPD and Congestive Heart Failure. Did CoVid push them them over the edge leading to death ? Absolutely in many ( but not all ) cases. That’s also true with seasonal flus every year.
And, it’s true that the “vaccine” saved many lives of the old and infirm. But, we were also told that the vaccine would prevent future infection and lead to herd immunity. We know that was a lie.
We were also told that 2 weeks of lockdown ( which morphed into 2 years ) would stop the spread. That turned out to be a lie that destroyed millions of lives.
According to Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Pierre Kory, both of whom treated multiple patients using early treatment programs, we might have saved hundreds of thousands of lives if those early treatment programs had been widely adopted. Instead, people were told to wait until they couldn't breathe and then go to the hospital. In many cases, that was too late to save them. Not only were these early treatment programs not adopted, but information about their usefulness was also suppressed. Government officials told the media they needed to do more to stop "misinformation". Government has tax and regulatory powers they can use to punish anyone who doesn't toe the line so there was an implied threat here. Because of first amendment rights to freedom of speech and press, they should not have acted this way.
Countries around the world are getting rid of all restrictions yet Trudeau in Canada is digging his heels in so he can shouw "he's the boss" and that the people answer to him vs him answering to the people - even here in the U.S. u have blue politicians wanting to continue with various forms of mandates bc leftists can never have enough power and hate Democracy, Freedom, and The Constitution, getting in the way of their power.
By mid-2020 it was obvious that a lockdown wasn't gonna work and the way to go was to protect the vulnerable and let the rest of society get back to being productive - the lockdown in most ways caused more problems with the non-vulnerable population than it solved.
That’s the left’s Achilles Heel. They are certain they are smarter than the Neanderthals on the right. So, they don’t need to understand or debate the issues.
Masks work when used correctly. They aren't invincible armor but the slow the spread of illness, and mask use reduced rates of regular flu infections.
Most of the US didn't really have lockdowns. There probably was some help in curve flattening.
A big chunk of the population didn't do anything to try to prevent covid. They are the people in the zombie movie who say zombies aren't real and run right at them.
Obviously we know some things in hindsight we didn't know initially. Although there were some unlucky healthy relatively young deaths, most of the hospitalized and deaths were the old and fat. We also worried too much about surfaces for the first six months and not enough about air circulation. The six foot rule was... Clumsy but helpful. Asymptomatic transmission turned out to be less common than originally feared.
Mostly I learned people are shit at mildly inconveniencing themselves for public good.
You know what I don't ever see? EMTs, nurses, and physicians that have spent the last two years in the trenches going "Yep, total scam. All those folks were going to die anyway."
Will history reveal the errors that were made, of course. But, can you really fault erring on the side of caution?
Almost correct. The so called vaccine is not only ineffective, it is dangerous and it undermines natural immunity, and so that is the reason this is continuing.
The real motives for any of this have yet to be fully surfaced. But it all seems that the so called vaccine was motivated by non-medical reasons, so it all falls within Joseph Mengele territory.
There is no statue of limitations and the maximum penalty could be death.
We will be hunting down these perpetrators. Unless DNA analysis identifies their corpses, they will stand trial.
SJG
I’m no scientist (which doesn’t seem to be a requirement for preaching one’s own version of science in this thread), but maybe the answer is … time? Covid didn’t hit the east coast until February 2020 or so. We didn’t close businesses in Maryland until Friday March 13. It didn’t hit Arizona, Texas, Florida or a good bit of the south until the summer when people went inside to get out of the heat. Most of the country in 2020 wasn’t exposed to covid for the entire year, with a good bit of the country only having widespread community transmission for 6 months or less. In 2021, the full country was exposed for a full 12 months. It’s pretty clear covid doesn’t transmit as much outside or in the heat, so we still get waves depending on the weather. But my answer to your question is time.
Also, isn’t more deaths in 2021 despite the vaccines and more treatment a bad thing? The virus is still mutating. Thankfully its symptoms appear to be lessening but declaring war on the truth doesn’t help anyone.
I’m vaxxed, as is anyone for whom I make decisions. Those who choose not to be vaxxed, are good by me. I don’t have tp agree with your logic as your decision doesn’t impact me, except in a really small tangentially risky way that I’ve accepted. Live your lives as you see fit.
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“ Rather than dispute the lies listed in the article, those opposing it have arguments that amount to “ You’re an idiot”. “
Exactly.
Take that any way you like, it's fine with me another lesson I have learned in the past two years, It's better to keep silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth (or type some gibberish) and remove all doubt.
Pence: “In recent days, the media has taken to sounding the alarm bells over a “second wave” of coronavirus infections. Such panic is overblown. Thanks to the leadership of President Trump and the courage and compassion of the American people, our public health system is far stronger than it was four months ago, and we are winning the fight against the invisible enemy.”
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/there-i…
https://covidtracking.com/data/national/…
The journal of the College of American Pathologists has a stunning report today on the cases of two teen boys who died following mRNA Covid vaccines.
Both boys died in their sleep less than a week after the second dose, and neither had any known health conditions prior to death.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-…
And Icey, people die everyday, its called finite life expectancy. You have to have at least a 1% annual mortality rate, otherwise that would mean that average life expectancy is exceeding 100 years, and we know that that is not true.
The normal death rate for this country exceeds 3.5 million per year, or 10,000 per day.
That 25% of these people are testing positive for COVID, so what? The precautions do not stop it. And the so called vaccine is making it worse.
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You Dixie_Normus just want bozos parading around with guns and shoting themselves in the foot. Your ideas about guns are rooted in the fear of slave revolts.
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These “experts and scientists” are acting mostly like career bureaucrats covering their ass, agenda, and backdoor deal$, than “experts and scientists” – plenty of genuine experts and scientists have been gone after and defamed, intimidated, and silenced, by the Fauci mafia and all his cronies.
The fact is that this virus has been way more political than science and the “experts and scientists” have put ideology, power, and special interest$, over science and the well-being of people.
Let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that you’re correct. It was all lies. Now who told those lies first. If I remember correctly there was this Orange Man in the presidency at the time. Yes, that’s right, his name was Mr. Donald John “Pipehitter” Trump. So you’re saying Orange Man lied?
Whoa. That’s some pretty harsh allegations right there. Did you know that old Orange Pipehitter is also alleging that he won the election and the other dude - a certain Mr. Joseph Robinette “Smells like Old Spice” Biden - stole the election. But here’s the crazy thing: he wasn’t able to prove any of his allegations. Even though he appointed a lot of judges. Isn’t that crazy! His own judges decided he was a loser.
Now that you say old Orange Pipehitter lied about covid I’m going to suggest something else: maybe he’s just a big fibber and he’s fooling all the hoi polloi that believe in him.
Discuss. As always, you’re welcome!
Enjoy!
There is no reason to think the average voter has a right to decide what medical choices I or anyone else get to have. This country was based on the idea of freedom and individual rights. It was not meant to be an unlimited democracy. It was the widespread belief in the idea of freedom and individual rights that made this country the most prosperous country in history and it is the moving away from that idea that is causing our slow decline.
Mr. Mark said everything about covid was a lie. Who lied? The government. Who was in charge of the government when the lies started? Mr. Donald John “Orange Pipehitter” Trump.
All your rambling about “freedom and individual rights” is irrelevant in the context of this thread. This is Mr. Mark’s thread about the government TAKING AWAY your freedom and individual rights. He just didn’t name the person at the top of the government when the lies began. I did!
Seems like only a total dumbass would vote for the guy who was in charge of the government when they lying began. I’m sure your smart enough not to do that. Right?
No masks. No lockdowns. No vaccines. Let everyone get covid. Horse medicine on tap in every bar and Walmart. No deaths!
Actually, I think the article lists 3 lies. Maybe 4. But they are doozies.
Sure, Trump was President for some of the lying. So, he gets some of the blame. Most of the blame goes to that skunk Fauci and about 100 other bureaucrats in the Government. Plus plenty of blame to Governors and bureaucrats at the state level.
Our government is filled with power hungry politicians and bureaucrats who manage to be incompetent and corrupt at the same time.
Beyond that, focus much more time identifying treatments and encouraging their use, rather than putting all your efforts into vaccines. The pro-vaccine bureaucrats literally prevented the development of treatments. I have a feeling that Big. Pharma had something to do with that.If we’d put just a bit more focus on treatment, hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved.
It's also sad that partisan thinking has influenced the opinions of the doctors and the scientists.
BTW, did you know that if you are immune compromised that there are 2 additional shots you can get? That's a total of 5 shots.
Not too long ago doctors would give out antibiotics and opioids liberally. Is it wrong to be skeptical about everyone needing a covid shot?
And, the average age of death of those who died from CoVid, nationwide, was 82. From this, I think we can learn that vaccines are helpful for senior citizens ( though less helpful than we were promised ) but accomplish very little for healthy people under age 65.
Icee: why do you oppose all vaccines ?
Also, we know that the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission.
So, why are school administrators mandating the vaccine for teenagers ?
Follow up question: Where did administrators get their medical expertise allowing them to overrule parents and the child’s physician ?
Make up my mind ?
Better yet, how about you improve your reading comprehension ?
Bullshit threads are getting old.
You blame the government for Covid yet Trump was president. But then you claim he won the election. You claim the vaccine saved lives but is useless. You call Biden a tyrant for covid mitigation efforts while he dismantled all of Trumps mitigation efforts . You don't even know what you believe.
U.S.—The nation is preparing to celebrate what has become a beloved annual holiday: Two Weeks To Slow The Spread Day, to be held in March every year.
"This time of year we like to come together to remember the historic day two years ago when we put on masks and locked ourselves down, trusting that the lockdown would be over in just two weeks," said local man Paul Christof as he stared out his window longingly, his three masks securely in place. "This year, I'm going all out with a Zoom party with no more than five of my closest friends—I mean, closest, figuratively speaking, of course. We'll be literally far apart, because I want to stay home and stay safe, and I don't want grandma to die."
Traditional festivities for the newly christened American holiday include remote Amazon gift exchanges, ordering DoorDash feasts for just yourself, and the customary binging of the Netflix. Historians believe the holiday will become a hit, and people will continue to wear masks and stay home throughout the year as the festive day is celebrated for hundreds of years to come.
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Covid is only having a small effect on our mortality rate, but the response has made the populous neurotic:
Trust the science:
Step 1: Even though the world has not had a major respiratory disease epidemic in almost a century, insist one is coming SOON and we have to swab every bat in China to figure what virus will cause it.
Step 2: When you can’t find viruses capable of causing it, start making them more dangerous in a lab.
Step 3: When an epidemic finally breaks out IN THE CITY WHERE THE LAB IS, shout down anyone who mentions the connection. Instead spend two years instituting control measures that prove completely ineffective at stopping it - though very effective at ruining kids’ mental health.
Step 4: Invent “vaccines” that work against the virus in a completely novel way, test them for months, and give them to more than a billion people.
Step 5: Be surprised when the vaccines turn out to be far more effective than the virus itself at causing immune imprinting and original antigenic sin.
Step 6: Wonder why the outbreak has lasted far longer than previous outbreaks, when neither control measures nor vaccines were used.
Step 7: Call anyone who points these unpleasant facts out a conspiracy theorist; when that doesn’t work, censor them.
Step 8: Profit!
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Their only real skill is avoiding blame for anything.
But once it became about protecting people, making people 'safe', were were in the land of complete neuroticism.
SJG
If we focus on debates conducted for educational and recreational purposes, put an emphasis upon logical consistency, factual accuracy, and some emotional appeal to an audience. But of course you know that because you claim to have trained in debate, logic, and rhetoric during you education. (Or something like that, I’m not interested enough to track down your exact quote…)
Anyway, most of the posts on this thread are irrelevant because the important point is to understand the logical consequences of your assertion that “Everything we’ve been told about CoVid over the last 2 years has been based on lies.”
LIES. Your word. Not mine. You may not realize this, but the word “lie” has a specific meaning: A lie is an assertion that is believed to be false, typically used with the purpose of deceiving someone.[1][2][3][4] The practice of communicating lies is called lying. A person who communicates a lie may be termed a liar. Lies may serve a variety of instrumental, interpersonal, or psychological functions for the individuals who use them. (From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie)
You didn’t say that everything we were told about covid was based on mistakes. You said they were lies.
I replied with the logical consequence of your assertion that everything we’ve been told about covid is a lie: former President Donald John “Yumpin Yimminy” Trump (who I believe to be your man-crush) is ultimately responsible for those lies (at least in the United States of America).
You grudgingly conceded the following:
“Sure, Trump was President for some of the lying. So, he gets some of the blame.”
And followed it up with:
“Most of the blame goes to that skunk Fauci and about 100 other bureaucrats in the Government. Plus plenty of blame to Governors and bureaucrats at the state level.”
And how did the lying skunk Dr. Fauci and the 100 other bureaucrats get their power? It may have been challenging or even impossible for Orange Man to oust Dr. Fauci from his position at NIAID, but NIAID director has no actual power except over anybody, except those at NIAID. And even then there are limits on his power. Do you work at NIAID? I don’t think so.
Anyway, Trump wasn’t required to put Dr. Fauci on the covid task force. And he could have removed him, as soon as he detected the lying. Some with governors and state bureaucrats. As soon as your hero Mr. Donald John “Hittin’ Them Pipes” Trump sniffed out a lie he could have called a press conference and called ‘em out on their lies. Hell, he could have tweeted about it. Orange Man liked to tweet.
So, if we follow the logic implicit in your assertion that everything about covid was a lie, the person responsible for the lies is the loser of the 2020 Presidential election, Mr. Donald John “mmm…Pipes” Trump.
Now why did Orange Man lie? I suppose it could have been for shits and giggles. That’s what I would have done. But my lie would have been creative, like “the way to avoid covid is to wear a rubber glove over your head, a la mid-80s Howie Mandel”. But I suspect our government was doing something more sinister, like attempting to control the population. Do you agree with that? I suspect you do, but feel that Dr. Fauci was the fascist mastermind. But I’ve just proven that the real fascist was Orange Pipehittin’ wannabe Mussolini.
Now that I have won the debate with my impeccable logic, following your own statements to their logical conclusions, I will PM an address to send my trophy. As an honest debater I am certain that you will concede defeat and reward me. Thank you!
I think he is an egomaniacal blowhard that thought shoving a UV bulb up yer keister would cure covid. He was less Benito Amilcare Andrea “Il Duce Dude” Mussolini and more Inspector Clouseau. But imagine Clouseau with lights up the ass and bleach injections. That’s your hero.
Hopefully the scales have fallen from your eyes and you have had your road to Damascus moment regarding the Orange Man. You’re welcome!
Some of it was just to embarrass Trump. Some of it has been to embarrass the Red State Governors like Ron DeSantis. This kind of shit has been the role of Gavin Newsom.
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I posted an article that listed several lies about CoVid. I don’t think anyone has countered any of those contentions.
You seem to think you’ve won the debate because using logic something like
-Mark claims there were lies/mistakes
- Mark has supported Trump in the past
- Trump was President when some of those lies were told
- Therefore there were no lies
The contention of this post was “ there were lies”. You haven’t disproved that. Your argument disproves a claim ( that I never made) that “Trump was blameless”. So, you’ve won a debate based on a lie about what I’m arguing. Ironic, huh ?
How is Biden’s Presidency going ?
Now the only difference is that I get to watch the conservatives I know do the *exact* same thing with stuff like the Arizona recount, which is also a fantasy that will disappoint conservatives who should know better, until they embrace the next dumb fantasy.
All 5 major banks in Canada are now offline. Trudeau said he was going to freeze funds of anyone supporting the truckers. As a result there have been massive withdrawals from Canadian banks.
Trudeau has crushed consumer confidence in the banks in less than 48 hours. Some ATMs are still allowing cash to be pulled out but going empty.
The bank has now locked up EVERYONES funds!
This is what’s known as a bank crisis.
Minister Lametti told CTV News today, citizens identified as supporting President Donald Trump are subject to “de-banking” as part of the Canadian government’s official target identification process.
During the segment, Justice Minister Lametti hedged and dodged questioning about what terms and conditions the Canadian government is using to instruct the RCMP and financial institutions. However, after equating the Trudeau order to the same principles around terrorism, the ‘Justice Minister’ finally said:
...”If you are a member of a pro Trump movement who is donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to this kind of thing, then you ought to be worried.”
What exactly Donald Trump has to do with middle class Canadian citizens asking their government to drop mandates is unknown. But the statement itself from the Justice Ministry of Canada speaks quite loudly to their political motives.
You see, Mr. Mark was trained in rhetoric, debate, logic, and I can’t remember the rest. It was probably something useful like going to a bakery and jizzing on the cupcakes. Anyway, it means that Mr. Mark is really bothered when he plays debatey-debates and loses, like he did with yours truly.
Therefore, rather than being an honorable debate partner and sending me my fucking trophy he changes the subject from covid to Canada.
Where is my trophy Mr. Mark?
A look at the life and work of Michiaki Takahashi, the scientist that developed the chickenpox vaccine.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/17…
This news article is totally fucked:
Back to Normal? Many Immunocompromised People Feel Left Behind as U.S. Lifts Pandemic Measures
https://www.democracynow.org/2022/2/17/c…
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I do blame Russia for a lot of online propoganda stoking the flames of division within western democracies.
I would vote for any president who ran on a platform of "get rid of Putin". Trump had a lot of flaws, but his continued fellating of Putin was his worst.
Biden, through all his overtures to the greens, didn't just fellate Putin, he straight up gave up our asshole.
You are the exact thing that's wrong with this country. Go fuck yourself.
The left is just using their scapegoat to deflect from their failings.
SJG
Stupidity seems to be the watchword of this thread
I don't think Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC are Russian trolls.
China is the real threat and grows stronger while we infight.
Let’s return to the important topic: the way I totally kicked Mr. Mark’s ass in the debatey-debates game. He fucking owes me a trophy!
WHERE IS MY TROPHY MR. MARK? I bet Mr. Mark learned how to play debatey-debates at Trump University and lesson one was how to weasel out of your obligations. Well…TUSCL isn’t going to let you out of your obligations Mr. Mark. I kicked your ass in the debatey-debates game and you owe me a fucking trophy!
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We can look back at COVID when that vaccine is off the market and once the mandates are lifted. Covid is an irrational hysteria, and it is that so called vaccine and the mandates which perpetuate it.
SJG
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