Sorry dusty, but I could only get about a minute into this melodramatic drivel before I had to stop.
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Just to hit the first few points: (1) all that is happening to FEMA is that a few of their slush funds are being shut down - they will still be there for natural disaster response; (2) Able bodied adults without young children who are on Medicaid will be be required to work, seek work, attend education programs or volunteer for 20 hours a week (and why the fuck shouldn't they?); and (3) Veterans who are already covered by VA benefits will not be able to double dip with Medicaid.
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I'm sure that this rest of this drivel was just as off point.
I know that Trump supporters are so brainwashed it doesn't matter the amount of terrible things he does or evidence you see you'll still support him anyway. I'm sure you didn't even watch or consider what a horrendous bill this is for all of us not just those terrible liberals.
^ You've given us no evidence dusty, just spun horseshit. Go read the text of the these provisions yourself if you don't believe me.
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We have to find a way to trim this budget and pretty much everything that was covered in that first minute was low hanging fruit. Why should taxpayers have to pay to make wealthy peoples' beach houses more "climate resilient" (one of the FEMA slush funds)? Why should able bodied adults without young children be allowed to stay on the public healthcare dole without even trying to work (I mean fucking seriously now)? Why should we be paying for Medicaid for vets who already qualify for free healthcare through the VA system?
I mean seriously dude. I'm always open to opposing views as it is how I form my own positions on different topics. But what you gave us was just melodramatic spun crap.
@rickdugan - I agree, the BBB doesn't go far enough in terms of cutting costs. I had hoped DOGE would go through the DOD and healthcare; now that's where the real waste, fraud, and abuse is, but libs (including the TUSCL Lib Cope Squad) treat every nickel cut as a holocaust.
The Lib Cope Squad here also treats the latest red meat MSNBC or TikTok post like it'll singlehandedly turn the tables. Dusty once asked my legit opinion on something political then when I responded started ranting with "I don't care what any fucking Trump supporter thinks!" The anger is all an act to compensate for their little penises.
^ @skibum - that's the modern progressive mind for you. Recent studies show how unhappy liberals are (especially unmarried liberal women). They cultivate behaviors like learned helplessness (we are at the mercy of our environment and need outside factors like the government to save us), they treat their emotions as facts--euphoria is a right and resilience is a cuss word. They are more likely to cut off their families and friends over disagreements. They lie to themselves and say it's because they're more conscious of social issues, but studies disprove that too.
Then when their ideas don't work--as they never do--they blame sabotage or the rich or capitalism or Jews or something.
Here's some of Prof. Sowell's wisdom...we can see the anger and personal attacks on display above. (I've added a couple notes in parentheses)
That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.
Anyone who studies the history of ideas should notice how much more often people on the political left, more so than others, denigrate and demonize those who disagree with them — instead of answering their arguments.
In a sense, the political left’s attempts to silence ideas they cannot, or will not, debate are a confession of intellectual bankruptcy.
The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive.
(Note: Academia is a great example of places where ideas do not need to work to survive)
The political left has never understood that, if you give the government enough power to create ‘social justice,’ you have given it enough power to create despotism. Millions of people around the world have paid with their lives for overlooking that simple fact.”
(They want despotism and think they will be more enlightened than everyone else who was trusted with it but turned evil.)
The whole political vision of the left, including socialism and communism, has failed by virtually every empirical test, in countries all around the world. But this has only led leftist intellectuals to evade and denigrate empirical evidence.
The vision of the left, full of envy and resentment, takes its worst toll on those at the bottom — whether black or white — who find in that paranoid vision an excuse for counterproductive and ultimately self-destructive attitudes and behavior.
(They can't admit failures, even in places like Baltimore and Detroit)
No one can really understand the political left without understanding that they are about making themselves feel superior, however much they may talk piously about what they are going to do to help others.
(Tom Klingenstein wrote a great article on purity spirals, that covers this.)
Facts are seldom allowed to contaminate the beautiful vision of the left. What matters to the true believers are the ringing slogans, endlessly repeated. Darwinian adaptation to environment applies not only to nature but also to society. Just as you don’t find eagles living in the ocean or fish living on mountain tops, so you don’t find leftists concentrated where their ideas have to stand the test of performance.
Wherever you get enough far left people in power, you can find a similar willingness to force everyone into collectivist conformity at all costs.
(We saw that in all the cancellations in 2020 and shortly thereafter)
The left is not necessarily aiming at totalitarianism. But their know-it-all mindset leads repeatedly and pervasively in that direction, even if by small steps, each of which might be called ‘micro-totalitarianism.’
(This one I disagree with. Like Big Brother said, power is the ends.)
What socialism, fascism and other ideologies of the left have in common is an assumption that some very wise people—like themselves—need to take decisions out of the hands of lesser people, like the rest of us, and impose those decisions by government fiat.
Although the big word on the left is ‘compassion,’ the big agenda on the left is dependency. The more people who are dependent on government handouts, the more votes the left can depend on for an ever-expanding welfare state.
(That is why the left has become the party of government employees, radical activists, and dependent poor.)
The greatest moral claim of the political left is that they are for the masses in general and the poor in particular. That is also their greatest fraud. It even fools many leftists themselves.
No government of the left has done as much for the poor as capitalism has. Even when it comes to the redistribution of income, the left talks the talk but the free market walks the walk. What do the poor most need? They need to stop being poor. And how can that be done, on a mass scale, except by an economy that creates vastly more wealth? Yet the political left has long had a remarkable lack of interest in how wealth is created. As far as they are concerned, wealth exists somehow and the only interesting question is how to redistribute it.
===> "Notice Dusty is hoping for someone's child to be raped. Very very progressive."
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This is what happens when self entitled cupcakes wallow in self-indulgent anger. When someone questions a belief they hold, they feel justified in saying anything in response. It's a sad product of emotional immaturity and intellectual laziness.
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Someone like dusty (et. al) doesn't want to look at an issue dispassionately. She just wants her emotional beliefs confirmed because she's already convinced of the moral superiority of her position. Anyone who doesn't this belief is demonized by default and, in the process, fair game for poor behavior.
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Be better than that Dusty.
===> "the BBB doesn't go far enough in terms of cutting costs."
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@Puddy: I couldn't agree more. The problem is that there is no political will to do anything besides tinker on the margins. Heck the Republicans of today look almost like the Democrats of 30 years ago.
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We had affluent people retire in droves when Obamacare was passed because they could voluntarily reduce their income and get heavily subsidized insurance. They already owned their homes free and clear, had healthy investment and savings accounts and were still working primarily for the insurance coverage. Imagine what a simple liquid asset test could do to reduce subsidies and make more people pay from their own pockets?
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Heck imagine what a liquid asset test could do to salvage the Social Security system? Just how many people are collecting it who don't really need it?
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But nobody wants to draw the ire of millions of people who would lose their government funded goodies. So here we are, still kicking the can down the road.
Trump raped E Jean Carroll and his wife Ivana Trump. He bragged about grabbing women by the pussy. He intentionally walked in on nude teenage girls at his beauty pageant. Women have said that Trump did sexual things with them when they were 13 years old at Epstein's Island. If you don't think that Trump would rape anyone he could get away with you are delusional.
Trump is 79 years old, morbidly obese and shits his pants multiple times per day so his raping days may be over. Probably more sexual assaults now. He's too unhealthy for his dick to work well enough for rape.
The grabbing by tbe pussy comment, he was saying if youre a famous star you can do almost anything you want to women and theyll let you do it.. even grabbing by the pussy. So it might be vulgar but its not talking about sexual assault. It is true. Lets not kid ourselves, what % of these famous rich people are super hot or have incredible personalities? Even among pro sports players… many of them look odd or ugly. Yet still have women all over them. Trump is just talking about that same phenomenon.
@PT
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, I don’t care to weigh in on this topic because it’s just a shit show, nothing good is going to get done, here’s the rub though, there’s going to be hell to pay soon enough, but means testing for Social Security is a total nonstarter, this is something that we’ve paid for, they could easily fix the problem two ways, with very little pushback, raise the cap on the SS contribution make it 75% of income subject to the contribution, and raise the age for retirement to 68 years as people are living longer than they were when the full retirement age was set.
Any hint of means testing or anything else is a total nonstarter and will cause major damage to the country.
What in the world do ancient rape allegations, which have never been proven, have to do with everything that Trump has done while in office?
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I mean sure, if you're going to hate him for those allegations then nothing he ever does will look good to you. But I prefer to judge policy positions on their merits and thus far I've liked what he's been doing as President.
@25 - I didn't talk about means-testing social security. That was @rickdugan. And I have in the past agreed with both of your suggestions to make SS solvent.
Elsewhere, I point out the mean-spiritedness and venality of the left, and of course Icey and Dusty come out and validate it without a shred of self-awareness. The left are fundamentally shrill, self-indulgent white women who throw tantrums when the world doesn't conform to them.
^ sorry I see that now RD was replying to you.
@RD
The reason why SS is an entitlement, should obvious to anyone with half a brain. It’s paid for by the recipients, it’s not a gift nor is it unearned. That money was deducted from your paycheck and your employer made a matching contribution based on your EARNED income. This program was forced upon us, now that you’ve taken my money every week for over fifty years I’ll throw a fucking fit if anyone tries to take that money away from me, and believe me I won’t be the only one.
@25: I understand the theory behind SS quite well. But the reality is that something has to give eventually.
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Your proposal to peg SS contributions to 75% of earned income would represent an extraordinary tax increase for a lot of people. 6.2% for W-2 employees on every dollar in between $176,100 (the current cap) and whatever 75% of their income is and a whopping 12.4% for small business owners and other self-employed people. That income cap currently serves as a source of moderate tax relief when the marginal federal rate jumps from 24% to 32% at around $200k (depending on the type of filer). Without it we'd be forcing higher income earners to hand over a substantial portion of their income to the federal government.
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That's on top of whatever burdens they carry at the state and city level. FFS some people would basically be government tax slaves for every dollar they earn over 200+k. There are too many consequences to easily list, including the deaths of many small businesses, people fleeing blue states even faster than they are now, etc., etc.
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I bet that, if you asked affluent people currently working which choice they would prefer, they would overwhelmingly choose future means testing over getting bent over the table like that for potentially decades.
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Now I'm not saying that we should apply means testing to existing recipients. But it makes an awful lot of sense to create a glide path to it for future potential recipients.
A Fox News investigation revealed that George Soros spent a billion dollars to make a real Star Trek transporter, so he could beam his shit into Trump's pants.
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last commentSorry dusty, but I could only get about a minute into this melodramatic drivel before I had to stop.
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Just to hit the first few points: (1) all that is happening to FEMA is that a few of their slush funds are being shut down - they will still be there for natural disaster response; (2) Able bodied adults without young children who are on Medicaid will be be required to work, seek work, attend education programs or volunteer for 20 hours a week (and why the fuck shouldn't they?); and (3) Veterans who are already covered by VA benefits will not be able to double dip with Medicaid.
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I'm sure that this rest of this drivel was just as off point.
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Yeah, what we need is more shrieking liberal chicken littles screaming orange man bad even louder!
I'll file this with your Harris 400 EVs prediction. Get a new magic 8 ball, bud.
Lulz
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I know that Trump supporters are so brainwashed it doesn't matter the amount of terrible things he does or evidence you see you'll still support him anyway. I'm sure you didn't even watch or consider what a horrendous bill this is for all of us not just those terrible liberals.
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^ You've given us no evidence dusty, just spun horseshit. Go read the text of the these provisions yourself if you don't believe me.
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We have to find a way to trim this budget and pretty much everything that was covered in that first minute was low hanging fruit. Why should taxpayers have to pay to make wealthy peoples' beach houses more "climate resilient" (one of the FEMA slush funds)? Why should able bodied adults without young children be allowed to stay on the public healthcare dole without even trying to work (I mean fucking seriously now)? Why should we be paying for Medicaid for vets who already qualify for free healthcare through the VA system?
I mean seriously dude. I'm always open to opposing views as it is how I form my own positions on different topics. But what you gave us was just melodramatic spun crap.
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Brainwashed Rick. Trump could rape your daughter and you'd still support him.
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@rickdugan - I agree, the BBB doesn't go far enough in terms of cutting costs. I had hoped DOGE would go through the DOD and healthcare; now that's where the real waste, fraud, and abuse is, but libs (including the TUSCL Lib Cope Squad) treat every nickel cut as a holocaust.
The Lib Cope Squad here also treats the latest red meat MSNBC or TikTok post like it'll singlehandedly turn the tables. Dusty once asked my legit opinion on something political then when I responded started ranting with "I don't care what any fucking Trump supporter thinks!" The anger is all an act to compensate for their little penises.
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Were they escorting those people in wheelchairs? Proof they were arresting them, and what were they doing prior to being arrested?
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Icey those protesters needed to be served with a lil’ something for their vandalism and property damage
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Ntoice Dusty is hoping for someone's child to be raped. Very very progressive.
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^ @skibum - that's the modern progressive mind for you. Recent studies show how unhappy liberals are (especially unmarried liberal women). They cultivate behaviors like learned helplessness (we are at the mercy of our environment and need outside factors like the government to save us), they treat their emotions as facts--euphoria is a right and resilience is a cuss word. They are more likely to cut off their families and friends over disagreements. They lie to themselves and say it's because they're more conscious of social issues, but studies disprove that too.
Then when their ideas don't work--as they never do--they blame sabotage or the rich or capitalism or Jews or something.
Thomas Sowell has a lot to say about them.
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Here's some of Prof. Sowell's wisdom...we can see the anger and personal attacks on display above. (I've added a couple notes in parentheses)
That people on the political left have a certain set of opinions, just as people do in other parts of the ideological spectrum, is not surprising. What is surprising, however, is how often the opinions of those on the left are accompanied by hostility and even hatred.
Anyone who studies the history of ideas should notice how much more often people on the political left, more so than others, denigrate and demonize those who disagree with them — instead of answering their arguments.
In a sense, the political left’s attempts to silence ideas they cannot, or will not, debate are a confession of intellectual bankruptcy.
The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive.
(Note: Academia is a great example of places where ideas do not need to work to survive)
The political left has never understood that, if you give the government enough power to create ‘social justice,’ you have given it enough power to create despotism. Millions of people around the world have paid with their lives for overlooking that simple fact.”
(They want despotism and think they will be more enlightened than everyone else who was trusted with it but turned evil.)
The whole political vision of the left, including socialism and communism, has failed by virtually every empirical test, in countries all around the world. But this has only led leftist intellectuals to evade and denigrate empirical evidence.
The vision of the left, full of envy and resentment, takes its worst toll on those at the bottom — whether black or white — who find in that paranoid vision an excuse for counterproductive and ultimately self-destructive attitudes and behavior.
(They can't admit failures, even in places like Baltimore and Detroit)
No one can really understand the political left without understanding that they are about making themselves feel superior, however much they may talk piously about what they are going to do to help others.
(Tom Klingenstein wrote a great article on purity spirals, that covers this.)
Facts are seldom allowed to contaminate the beautiful vision of the left. What matters to the true believers are the ringing slogans, endlessly repeated. Darwinian adaptation to environment applies not only to nature but also to society. Just as you don’t find eagles living in the ocean or fish living on mountain tops, so you don’t find leftists concentrated where their ideas have to stand the test of performance.
Wherever you get enough far left people in power, you can find a similar willingness to force everyone into collectivist conformity at all costs.
(We saw that in all the cancellations in 2020 and shortly thereafter)
The left is not necessarily aiming at totalitarianism. But their know-it-all mindset leads repeatedly and pervasively in that direction, even if by small steps, each of which might be called ‘micro-totalitarianism.’
(This one I disagree with. Like Big Brother said, power is the ends.)
What socialism, fascism and other ideologies of the left have in common is an assumption that some very wise people—like themselves—need to take decisions out of the hands of lesser people, like the rest of us, and impose those decisions by government fiat.
Although the big word on the left is ‘compassion,’ the big agenda on the left is dependency. The more people who are dependent on government handouts, the more votes the left can depend on for an ever-expanding welfare state.
(That is why the left has become the party of government employees, radical activists, and dependent poor.)
The greatest moral claim of the political left is that they are for the masses in general and the poor in particular. That is also their greatest fraud. It even fools many leftists themselves.
No government of the left has done as much for the poor as capitalism has. Even when it comes to the redistribution of income, the left talks the talk but the free market walks the walk. What do the poor most need? They need to stop being poor. And how can that be done, on a mass scale, except by an economy that creates vastly more wealth? Yet the political left has long had a remarkable lack of interest in how wealth is created. As far as they are concerned, wealth exists somehow and the only interesting question is how to redistribute it.
(i.e. envy)
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That was Joe Biden in a Trump mask who raped Rick's daughter.
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===> "Notice Dusty is hoping for someone's child to be raped. Very very progressive."
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This is what happens when self entitled cupcakes wallow in self-indulgent anger. When someone questions a belief they hold, they feel justified in saying anything in response. It's a sad product of emotional immaturity and intellectual laziness.
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Someone like dusty (et. al) doesn't want to look at an issue dispassionately. She just wants her emotional beliefs confirmed because she's already convinced of the moral superiority of her position. Anyone who doesn't this belief is demonized by default and, in the process, fair game for poor behavior.
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Be better than that Dusty.
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===> "the BBB doesn't go far enough in terms of cutting costs."
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@Puddy: I couldn't agree more. The problem is that there is no political will to do anything besides tinker on the margins. Heck the Republicans of today look almost like the Democrats of 30 years ago.
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We had affluent people retire in droves when Obamacare was passed because they could voluntarily reduce their income and get heavily subsidized insurance. They already owned their homes free and clear, had healthy investment and savings accounts and were still working primarily for the insurance coverage. Imagine what a simple liquid asset test could do to reduce subsidies and make more people pay from their own pockets?
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Heck imagine what a liquid asset test could do to salvage the Social Security system? Just how many people are collecting it who don't really need it?
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But nobody wants to draw the ire of millions of people who would lose their government funded goodies. So here we are, still kicking the can down the road.
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Weirdos bonding with a right wing cookie toss
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Trump raped E Jean Carroll and his wife Ivana Trump. He bragged about grabbing women by the pussy. He intentionally walked in on nude teenage girls at his beauty pageant. Women have said that Trump did sexual things with them when they were 13 years old at Epstein's Island. If you don't think that Trump would rape anyone he could get away with you are delusional.
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Trump is 79 years old, morbidly obese and shits his pants multiple times per day so his raping days may be over. Probably more sexual assaults now. He's too unhealthy for his dick to work well enough for rape.
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^he could still lick their pussy, use his big hands or a dildo
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The grabbing by tbe pussy comment, he was saying if youre a famous star you can do almost anything you want to women and theyll let you do it.. even grabbing by the pussy. So it might be vulgar but its not talking about sexual assault. It is true. Lets not kid ourselves, what % of these famous rich people are super hot or have incredible personalities? Even among pro sports players… many of them look odd or ugly. Yet still have women all over them. Trump is just talking about that same phenomenon.
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I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, I don’t care to weigh in on this topic because it’s just a shit show, nothing good is going to get done, here’s the rub though, there’s going to be hell to pay soon enough, but means testing for Social Security is a total nonstarter, this is something that we’ve paid for, they could easily fix the problem two ways, with very little pushback, raise the cap on the SS contribution make it 75% of income subject to the contribution, and raise the age for retirement to 68 years as people are living longer than they were when the full retirement age was set.
Any hint of means testing or anything else is a total nonstarter and will cause major damage to the country.
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What in the world do ancient rape allegations, which have never been proven, have to do with everything that Trump has done while in office?
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I mean sure, if you're going to hate him for those allegations then nothing he ever does will look good to you. But I prefer to judge policy positions on their merits and thus far I've liked what he's been doing as President.
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@25 - I didn't talk about means-testing social security. That was @rickdugan. And I have in the past agreed with both of your suggestions to make SS solvent.
Elsewhere, I point out the mean-spiritedness and venality of the left, and of course Icey and Dusty come out and validate it without a shred of self-awareness. The left are fundamentally shrill, self-indulgent white women who throw tantrums when the world doesn't conform to them.
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Trump is a rapist business fraud who stole from children's charities. He's so misunderstood.
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^ sorry I see that now RD was replying to you.
@RD
The reason why SS is an entitlement, should obvious to anyone with half a brain. It’s paid for by the recipients, it’s not a gift nor is it unearned. That money was deducted from your paycheck and your employer made a matching contribution based on your EARNED income. This program was forced upon us, now that you’ve taken my money every week for over fifty years I’ll throw a fucking fit if anyone tries to take that money away from me, and believe me I won’t be the only one.
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@25: I understand the theory behind SS quite well. But the reality is that something has to give eventually.
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Your proposal to peg SS contributions to 75% of earned income would represent an extraordinary tax increase for a lot of people. 6.2% for W-2 employees on every dollar in between $176,100 (the current cap) and whatever 75% of their income is and a whopping 12.4% for small business owners and other self-employed people. That income cap currently serves as a source of moderate tax relief when the marginal federal rate jumps from 24% to 32% at around $200k (depending on the type of filer). Without it we'd be forcing higher income earners to hand over a substantial portion of their income to the federal government.
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That's on top of whatever burdens they carry at the state and city level. FFS some people would basically be government tax slaves for every dollar they earn over 200+k. There are too many consequences to easily list, including the deaths of many small businesses, people fleeing blue states even faster than they are now, etc., etc.
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I bet that, if you asked affluent people currently working which choice they would prefer, they would overwhelmingly choose future means testing over getting bent over the table like that for potentially decades.
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Now I'm not saying that we should apply means testing to existing recipients. But it makes an awful lot of sense to create a glide path to it for future potential recipients.
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A Fox News investigation revealed that George Soros spent a billion dollars to make a real Star Trek transporter, so he could beam his shit into Trump's pants.
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