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Senate just passed BBB

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mogul1985I have 3 lives: Work, Dog Shows and Strip Clubs

Batter-up House and git'r done. It'll stall in the House - debate and fighting back/forth is how the Legislature was designed.

Hash this out. Tax deal is this #1 thing to take care of.

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Like a lot of Floridians I’m looking forward to the increased limit on local property tax deduction.

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It was a squeaker in the Senate. The House can't make too many serious revisions without jeopardizing it in a final Senate vote. This bill will most likely end up in conference committee, where hopefully the final pieces can be hashed out.

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Hopefully the house stalls this shit as long as possible.

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No matter who passes what, the middle-class American gets fucking squeezed between the twin assholes of rich/poor.

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Millions of people will lose their healthcare because of this. All of our healthcare premiums will now increase and multiple hospitals and nursing homes will close due to this horrible bill. This bill fucks all of us. You'll see.

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^ Instead of hysterically shrieking like a 5-year-old girl, try posting the source of the urine dribbling down your leg. By the way, have you heard about the billions of tariffs we received last month, setting an all-time record?

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And why are are GDP numbers down if tariffs are so great skibum?

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===> "Millions of people will lose their healthcare because of this. "
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Because of a work requirement for grown ass able bodied adults? If so then I don't give a shit as they never should have been on Medicaid in the first place.

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^^^Um because they have nothing to do with each other. I cannot believe I lost money in my 401k; after all it is sunny out today. Explain this conundrum, Dusty.

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So where exactly are you seeing the positive benefits of the tariffs? They are making your life better how?

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Biden wasn't able to accomplish a negative GDP but Trump was able to. Biden added jobs. Trump lost jobs. Tariffs are a failure just like every Trump economic policy has been.

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Biden added a few jobs of course, but that was after millions lost jobs in the pandemic and as such only a fucking moron would think Biden succeed. As far as Tariffs making my life better? Nope. Republicans never make my life better and I don't expect them to. Democrats make my life worse daily and as such they can go fuck themselves with Muslim cock.

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===> "Democrats make my life worse daily."
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Yes they do. Not that dusty can process that. You see, in his mind, inheriting an already recovering economy and then putting it on a blowout spending sugar high is a big government win. Then he can tout job gains and positive GDP despite everything the Dems did to fuck it up, not only with runaway inflation but also putting their feet on the necks of a variety of industries via a mountain of regulatory edicts.
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So in his mind, the problem wasn't the economy, but messaging. Dusty thinks he's the smart one and the voters just didn't know what was good for them. And whenever pesky concepts like real lost purchasing power for lower income consumers would come up, he'd just poo poo them away and point back to his selective numbers and then maybe double down with the need for more regs to increase lower income wages. 😉

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I buy Chinese tonic herbs which were the same price for years but in the last 2 months prices have skyrocketed because of tariffs. Multiple food costs have also increased. Items at Trader Joe's were the same price for years increased in price because of tariffs in the last 2 months. There are more examples than that at local restaurants. The only thing most people have seen from tariffs is increased prices.

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I think on balance this bill will have positive tax implications for me. But whatever I save is going to be washed out by the tsunami of inflationary impacts adding 3 fucking trillion to the debt will have.

We spent less on the pandemic, and look at the inflation that caused. Republicans are such hypocrites. They rail about deficit spending when out of power then spend massively on cutting taxes for the wealthy in office.

Also, I don't know how much sympathy I'm going to garner for the rural Trump supporters whose faces get eaten by leopards when they lose their healthcare and the only hospital in their holler closes for good. This bill is a great way to turn WV, AK, NC, NE, GA and other states blue.

Bang up job. Brilliant even.

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So absolutely asinine for progressives to keep impotently bleating that MAGA is going to turn blue once they realize what trump did to them. Get a clue. Buy a vowel. Listen to something other than fake left wing news. MAGA hates you. They will never be you. MAGA is Trump's base, just like criminals, illegals, drug addicts,, leeches and welfare queens are the democratic base. The few left in the middle decide. They decided that they hate democrats. Luckily the news is letting us know about the sick, jew hating, foreign communist who wants to tax white people only is now the idol of the democratic party. You dumb fucks make ignorance an art form.

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LIB COPE SQUAD IN THE HIZZZOUSE!!!!!

Biden's job numbers keep getting revised downwards, and most of them in the first place were public sector or public sector adjacent.

More than lying about Biden's health or Harris being a shite candidate, Dems lost in 2024 because they repeatedly told the American people we were doing better than we were. That all their green nonsense spending was worth getting PTSD at the pump and the grocery store. That we didn't know what was best for ourselves.

I'd rather have seen some real spending cuts though--and was always against the Trump tax cuts--we'll all become deficit hawks when we get downgraded.

But there's a ton of waste to cut out of Medicaid. A lot of "nonprofit" hospital chains have made scamming Medicaid via matching funds down to a science, and of course they're going to claim every cut is a death blow.

And for all the Lib Cope Squad here claims to care about the deficit, they caterwaul when a single federal position gets eliminated, and can't open their wallets fast enough when the word "green" gets spoken. It's pissing off the right people here, so it can't be all bad.

@rickdugan - better watch yourself, or dustyj's gonna fly down to Jax and go pickup basketball on your ass! (He still hasn't confirmed nor denied that scoring four touchdowns for Polk High was the highlight of his life.)

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Puddy I was actually stronger and faster years after of high school. Unlike most Americans who drink, get fat and don't exercise as adults I enjoy competing and working out as an adult. So no high school wasn't the highlight of my life or peak athletically.

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^ I'm sure you're the terror of the local Planet Fitness, bro.

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Great day to be a billionaire. Shitty day not to be.

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The CBO has a batting average of .000. It never takes into account the 9th Wonder of the World: Lower Taxes ALWAYS Increases Gov't Revenues, with the 8th Wonder being Compounding Interest. What we have is a SPENDING problem and lack of gov't discipline to deal with it. And the spending problem is on all in congress.
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As far as Tariffs go, as long as the they go to pay down debt/deficit and not used for new Spending we'll be OK as the economy grows. So far, Trumps tariffs have hauled in ~$100B the last 6 months. Same period in 2024 brought in about ~$50B. 2025 has so far brought in a 100% increase, inflation has stabilized and the price of Oil, Gas and Dem's scared eggs, avocados & Tequila are all down. Even the 10-Year Bond is kicking below 20 basis points 4.5%.
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OK, some wonky facts for the Chicken Little Commies here to help clear their lower tracts:
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Annual Inflation Rate, CPI, increased by 2.4% May 2025. April 2025 was 2.3%.
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April to May 2025 CPI rose by 0.1% lower than the expected 0.2% and down from 0.2% in April.
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Core CPI, excluding food and energy, 2.8% for the last 12 months ending May 2025, unchanged from April and the lowest since March 2021
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For May 2025 Core CPI was 0.1%, below the forecast of 0.3%
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No doubt it's going to be a bumpy ride for the next 6+ months. Getting detoxed off the Spending heroin takes time and discipline. DOGE was Step 1, BBB Step 2 and there are 100 more to go over the next several years.

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@JamesSD: I'm up 34% for the past 12 months. Sure I took a big hit the past 4 months that I rode out, and now I'm over my peak from January. And, I'm not a "Billionaire."

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How much worse is going to get?

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" It never takes into account the 9th Wonder of the World: Lower Taxes ALWAYS Increases Gov't Revenues"

But it didn't. Pre-COVID, Trump raised the debt $5 trillion. We can't afford this again. We need to really cut spending to compensate, and spend on R&D (I have no idea why the hell Trump wants to cut this when the ROI has been YUUUGE).

Remember how financial collapses happen. Gradually, then suddenly.

We don't have decades. We might not even have years.

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^^ A stronger vs weaker dollar is a choice. Not the win you think it is. I know your policy views are driven by the availability of cheap Tijuana ass, but the rest of us aren't so desperate. It makes it more attractive to buy American and easier to export. If we want to manufacture in America, we'll need this.

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Jezus. I am just here to get laid.

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^^ Yes, Trump had a big spending problem even through tax revenues went way up. CUT taxes, GROW the economy and SERIOULSY REDUCE SPENDING by Zombie hunting fraud/waste/abuse/kickbacks, and stupid spending that doesn't help America. Taking in more and then just spending even more is just stupid. Although Icey and others won't agree.
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Back in the day, for every Dollar spent on NASA it generated $7 in the economy. I'd love to see a huge push for Pebble Small Modular Nuclear Reactors that do between 500MW-800MW.
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I'm all for good investments that pay an economic to benefit America, culture and people. The Green Shit needs to be able to stand on its own else fade to a niche product. This is the biggest fraud ever, nothing clean about it. Billy Bob Thornton spelled it out perfectly in "Landman." His Exxon comment is spot on: youtube.com
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Annual federal "Budgets" - they don't budget they just INCREASE SPENDING - typically been like a ~7% pre-2020. When the increase is cut to even 5% Dems scream WE CAN'T CUT THE BUGET, CHILDREN WILL DIE AND THEY WANT TO PUSH GRANDMA OVER A CLIFF blah blah blah (Dem's Fear Book, Chapter 1, Paragraph 1).

The GOP margin the congress is as tight as it gets. We get a bill that moves forward, then more steps to get mor done. The #1 thing in the BBB is making tax cuts permanent.

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Quit spamming the site with right wong extremism fucking trolls

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^ Eat a stray dog's ballsack and asshole, worthless pothead man-child.

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^^^ Federal Tax Revenues have increased by 65% since the Trump cuts in 2018 (projected to end of Fiscal Year 2025 in October.) Yet Spending has increased by over 70% for the same time period. Interest on the Debt is cresting at $1T.

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@Baristafan suggestion - don't click into the Political Discussion area, duh. This is why it is here - to make the Liberals heads explode - they can't handle the truth so treat them like a Goose to make foie gras.

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===> "Great day to be a billionaire. Shitty day not to be."
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Right. Because those child tax credits that phase out at $400k are going to be a huge boon to billionaires. So too no doubt will be the tax exemption on tip income for the billionaires who are sidelining as waiters and Uber drivers. 😉
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Oh, I should add that all taxpayers benefit from the extended tax cuts. So too do both business owners and workers in an economy experiencing a manufacturing boom.
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It's not a zero sum game James.

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Good luck to the and good bye to the old BBB (build back better) Hello and welcome to the new BBB (big beautiful bill)
Seems to me our most recent presidents just got a case of the Bs

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The whole government process needs to be changed starting with term limits & single item bill votes instead of all the add ons. Vote on taxes for individuals first, then taxes for companies. This way we can see who is actually for the middle class or the elites.

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The more I learn the less impressed I am with how little they did on entitlements.
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Savings from food stamps and Medicaid come entirely from policy tweaks that reduce waste and abuse such as stricter eligibility checks. The bill also cracks down on state scams that expand food-stamp eligibility and use provider taxes to launder more federal Medicaid matching funds. It also includes extremely modest Medicaid "work" requirements (which including attending school, job searching and even volunteering) for adults covered under ObamaCare and makes it harder for states to get waivers from food-stamp work requirements.
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So in other words, all they did was tinker on the margins. And even that was enough to get some Republicans running scared.
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This is the insidious nature of entitlements. Once a group of people becomes accustomed to receiving them, they're nearly impossible to scale back. Even proposing small tweaks provides fodder for jackasses like Dusty and James to squeal that the end is near.
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Well, something is better than nothing I suppose. At least the tax stuff will be fixed. But if politicians don't even have the stomach to impose real work requirements upon able bodied Medicaid recipients, how the fuck are we going to fix the more serious issues heading our way, like impending Social Security insolvency? Fuck.

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If your an able bodied adult it's all pretty simple: You can get a job, you can go to jail or you can get the fuck outta country.

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Muddy

Uh yeah my taxes are not subsidizing your fucking lazy ghetto ass so you can smoke drugs and kill people all day. Hard no on that bullshit

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^ @Muddy
It’s probably cheaper to subsidize lazy folks then Trumps golf habits

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"Uh yeah my taxes are not subsidizing your fucking lazy ghetto ass so you can smoke drugs and kill people all day. Hard no on that bullshit"

And the innocent child in rural Appalachia who loses CHIP coverage should just fuck off and go die, right? I mean should low-income toddlers around the US go join the workforce so you as a taxpayer can feel less burdened?

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^ I'm confused Nina. What exactly in this bill do you think puts that kid's chip coverage at risk?

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===> "Once a group of people becomes accustomed to receiving them, they're nearly impossible to scale back. Even proposing small tweaks provides fodder for jackasses like Dusty and James to squeal that the end is near."
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But Nina's ridiculous shrill comment is exactly what I was talking about with this. Even the most minor tweak to any of these program results in the whack jobs coming out of the woodwork ranting predictions of doom.

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Nina theres an unlimited number of people around the world who need a variety of assistance. It doesnt mean you can forcibly take money from people to hand over to them.

The irony is most people who support these sorts of policies still attempt to look for loopholes and tax deductions. Or, even flat out live lives of dishonesty.

You dont need any sort of luxury goods to survive. Whether luxury car, a big house, an expensive phone… just because someone has extra money lying around doesnt mean its up for grabs to redistribute

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The false narrative that the democrat party is for the working class and regular citizens was shattered during the last few elections. Every year, from Hillary through Kamala, the Hollywood and NYC royalty shrieked louder and more visibly for the democrat candidate than for any Republican contender. Meanwhile, Trump and Vance went on Joe Rogan, worked at McDonald's, rode on garbage trucks, attended UFC, WWE, and pro boxing bouts. Yet the mindless democrat base still believes the party leaders when they fearmonger about the BBB and other GOP initiatives hurting the working and middle classes.

From 2016 through today, economic forecasters, former intelligence chiefs, network pundits, and more have prognosticated certain doom and catastrophe if Trump were elected and re-elected. Instead, all of his programs have been wildly successful. We, the American people, need the naysayers and "resistance" and activists to just get out of the way so that our society can be picked up from the rubble created by the democrat party. Believe your own eyes. You saw it in 2016. You saw it in 2020. You are seeing it today as illegal border crossings plus fentanyl and human trafficking being at a record low. Iran's nuclear program destroyed. The Houthis hiding. Grocery prices and gas prices affordable again.

Stop believing the lies of the democrat establishment. I don't like everything in the BBB either, but I understand the necessity of compromises to get things done. That's the art of the deal.

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===> "The false narrative that the democrat party is for the working class and regular citizens was shattered during the last few elections."
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One only has to look at California to see how it plays out if they get their way on a national level. Almost everything is much more expensive, including housing, gas, electricity, food, due to a combination of social and environmental mandates. Low income residents have access to less services than ever as more businesses close up due to crime fueled by misguided social experiments. California schools are a dumpster fire as state pols care more about catering to teachers unions than actually educating the children. The list goes on.
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Tbh I can't even imagine that weasel Newsom running for President. DeSantis already gave him a small taste of what he can expect in one silly meaningless debate - Newsom's wife had to bail him out. CA provides endless fodder for insight into what Newsom would actually do on the national stage.

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^Rick would you back someone like tucker carlson if he were to run? Supposedly the murdochs in 2023 were really pushing him to run against trump, and saying they would fund him etc. i wonder why the Murdochs hate trump, since they seem to share much of his views.

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^ I liked Tucker when he was on Fox, now he's gone off the rails.

^^ The Vance/Rubio attack ads vs any blue state governor fancying a run, Polis, Moore, Walz--but especially Newsom and Pritzker--write themselves. The fires, the riots, the squalor.

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^ And there is another example of stupid melodramatic girl thinking.
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During the pandemic, the Biden Administration had the brilliant idea to fund universal lunch programs in schools. The thinking went that it would reduce the stigma associated with kids who got free or reduced lunches. Which is crap since most school districts have long ago abandoned the old ticket process and instead just use electronic lunch codes now, so nobody in the lunch line knows who is getting a discount.
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The only real changes to the school lunch program was to go back to the old need-based application process so that we no longer use tax dollars to give free lunches to the children of wealthy people. Makes perfect sense to me. In fact, my school system pulled out of the universal lunch program years ago.

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^ I can only add that since DeSantis has been governor, our taxes have doubled, our insurance has quadrupled, rentals and housing costs are absurdly high, groceries are as expensive as they have ever been. Florida is well on the way to being as expensive as any Blue run state.

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^ What taxes are you talking about 25? We don't even have a state income tax and our sales taxes have remained steady. You could only mean property taxes, which is a function of rising property values. Talk about first world problems, lmao.
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As far as the other stuff here's the difference: DeSantis hasn't passed legislation or other mandates to make that stuff happen - it's been purely a function of market forces. Indeed my car insurance rates actually dropped the last two years thanks to insurance tort reform passed by FL in an effort to give us some relief. CA and other blue states, OTOH, continue to pound their people on purpose.
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And if you think FL is anywhere near as expensive as CA and NY to live in then you need to get out more. The state taxes alone are an onerous additional burden. Gas prices are far higher, electricity costs nearly double, housing prices are the highest in the nation, property taxes are just as bad if not worse - I could go on. A young guy working in Florida making 80k can still buy a house if he's willing to live a bit inland. Good luck with that in CA or NY.

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@RD
The cost of insurance is ridiculous, automobile insurance has quadruples in the last five years so you're much vaunted tort reform got a slight concession from a few insurance companies, I don't know of anyone in my area that is paying less for automobile insurance, as compared to the rest of the country we rank in the top three most expensive states, consistently often as the highest, Homeowners insurance is ridiculous it is over 148% above the rest of the country, and just because we don't have an income tax doesn't mean we aren't taxed at ridiculous rates, our property tax rates are kicking seniors out of their homes at record rates, with many retirees being forced to forgo insurance to pay the property taxes, you keep saying the same things over and over, it doesn't make it so. BTW many highly populated parts of Florida are unable to get homeowner insurance at any price, in most of the southern states a young guy making 80K can afford a home, Florida is no longer cheap, just because it's not as expensive as New York or California, doesn't make it inexpensive, it's only inexpensive if you recently moved here from those areas, for everyone else prices in Florida are high and some are absurdly so.

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The "man" who pretends the women he pays to fuck arent hookers and how cheating on your wife is jist adult stuff. Now explains how ridiculous free school lunches are 🤡💩

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25: I'm not saying that Florida is inexpensive. I'm saying that it's not because of the Florida politicians and that at least they aren't making it many times worse like they are in NY and CA.
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DeSantis can't control the weather, which is a big reason for those insurance challenges. Nor can he close the Florida border to the never-ending stream of people who want to move here precisely to escape the shit I've been talking about, so there isn't much he can do about home prices either. But at least he's not passing environmental measures which add $2+ to the price of every gallon of gas, or make electricity twice as expensive as it should be, or make building new homes twice as difficult as it should be (and hence much more expensive), or...[the list is endless].
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So no, Florida is no longer cheap, at least near the coast line, because too many people now want to live here and it is prone to hurricanes. But it's still a hell of a lot better than a lot of other places precisely because our politicians don't add to the burdens.

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I’m tired of people making excuses for bad governance, there’s a lot government can do to mitigate the impact of bad weather, but they keep worshiping at the altar of campaign contributions don’t pass any reasonable regulations forcing the industry to build in a way that protects, instead they keep allowing the same things to happen over and over, the end result is profitable for a handful of huge businesses and insurance companies. Tell me Rick, is it not reasonable to require a company like FP&L to harden the electrical grid, shit man we get power outages if a mosquito farts two counties over, my house is well protected, I have a generator, most of my vulnerabilities have been secured, yet at least twice a month we get power outages usually very short duration but requires most people to reset appliances, alarms and whatnot. But you go right on and tell them that our elected representatives can’t do anything about it. That’s pure fiction.

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@RD
One more question for you, with your attitude why bother having a building code, or zoning rules at all ? Seems to me you don't believe that our elected officials should create any rules, as a matter of fact why have any elected officials, according to you they should ignore environmental impacts, as well as legislation of any kind.

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^in Ricks older posts from years back he said he is a libertarian. I dont know if he still is, but that would be why. Im guessing their consensus is there shouldnt be any zoning rules but that private property rights, private agreements in neighborhoods etc would handle issues like zoning

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Libertarians are just liberals that got confused

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^ I've heard libertarians called "Republicans who get high" or "Republicans whose kid just got arrested." Nowadays they're mostly basement-dwelling virgins who think they're Ayn Rand protagonists.

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^ that’s a good one, maybe I’ll use it in the future.
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The libertarian platform includes eliminating - or at the very least not enforcing - our national borders. We have seen how that plays out. IME, libertarians are lazy. They are seeking easy answers to complex problems. The solutions they want to apply simply do not work in the digital, global, post-truth 21st century.

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^The way Ron Paul describes it though, they also want to eliminate incentives/handouts for anyone potentially coming here. But the border issue might not have a consensus on it

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I am not sure if it would be worse living in the same neighborhood or living anywhere in Florida.

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===> "^in Ricks older posts from years back he said he is a libertarian."
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I think in my old posts I described myself as a Republican with libertarian leanings. Still true to this day.
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Every time the government shoves its hand into a naturally functioning marketplace, unintended consequences will inevitably crop up. So IMO there should be an overwhelmingly obvious and quantifiable reason for doing so. They should also be sure that the cure doesn't create more harm than the purported problem they are trying to solve.
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The problem is that, all too often, politicians and government agencies do things that do not meet these standards. Instead they start theorizing about perceived future harms and benefits and give very little thought to the likely tangible consequences. In many cases, it's driven by kingdom building - the desire to accumulate power and become more indispensable.
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CA and NY are two examples of this malady running amok.
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OTOH, we saw a rare reversal of this in Austin TX, which is a blue haven in a largely red state. They did a very rare thing in scaling back development regulations in order to encourage more housing development. The result has been lower house prices. Now of course this stinks for existing home owners, but it's great for renters and young first time buyers, who very much needed the relief that naturally operating markets bring.

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Baghdad bob spamming a strip club forum with right wing propaganda 🤡💩

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I am looking forward to seeing positive economic growth from the BBB. Biased economists and pundits labeled the Trump 45 tax cuts as "for the richest 1%", then it actually snapped the economy out of the Obama anemia and generated historic wage growth and employment - especially for minorities. We are getting the same BS, lies, and doomsaying on the just-passed BBB. I think the MSM will be forced to eat crow again as the last of the Biden damage to the economy is wiped away.

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mogul1985

The MSM will never eat crow shit, they'll just spin up a new click bait/bright shiny thing that turkey will believe is real. People expect the OBx3 will just spark up in like a day. We really won't see real positive stuff that people can feel/see until early 2026 and into Summer 2026.

HOWEVER, SM will certainly treat the MSM like a goose being prepped for foie gras only with crow shit.

People didn't take the MSM spin as people could see and feel the Biden "BBB" as just a pile even flies wouldn't touch no matter how much they spun it.

We can thank James Carville from 1992 with "It's the economy, stupid", and that is what people REALLY feel today as reality - jobs (for AMERICAN CITIZENS, not H1Bs, Indian "Deputies" or off-shoring), prices - food, utilities, gas - inflation & housing costs.

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@rickdugan "I think in my old posts I described myself as a Republican with libertarian leanings. Still true to this day."

DITTO!!!! This is EXACTLY how I am.

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nicespice

Run up a 3 trillion dollar bill while also proposing 4.5 trillion in cuts?

I wonder if this is something that if it gets passed goes OOPSIE NEVER MIND. (Just like what happened with any promises made about student loan relief) And sadly I would have more respect for the man if that’s is what’s going on—because I understand outright saying “yeah, we have to keep taking collecting taxes, and probably more of it—and reduce entitlements simultaneously” could be a wee bit challenging.
…But alas, it’s probably just more of the same ol “deficits don’t matter”mentality.

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gammanu95

@nicespice- I will refer you back to the Trump tax cuts of 2016 and the resulting record economic growth and record LOW unemployment - particularly amongst minorities and especially black men. No one can guarantee it would happen again, but it proved liberal economists wrong (or at the least irredeemably biased) the first time. The opportunities for American growth and employment will be increased as illegals are deported, the unemployed are motivated to work again, and tariffs improve our trade imbalances and bring more work for Americans.

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🤷🏻‍♀️ All of what I am saying mostly echoes Puddy Tat from earlier. (POV deficits bad) As far as I can tell, this bill mildly cuts some things(esp if they can tick off the left), adds several things more than it cuts, and simultaneously reduces its own revenue to fund this spending.

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... and increases tax revenue by driving growth in the top line revenue for the entities from which it is collecting the taxes. I agree that there are too many tax credits being codified for special interests- child tax credits, SALT deductions, and more- but we have to trust that the benefits will offset these losses. The dem plan was to trans kids, fund Hamas, and torpedo the economy, so in contrast this was pretty good.

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The #1 problem with BBB - the GOP margins in the House and Senate were seriously tight where somethings nasty tasting stuff had to be included to get needed votes. DOGE was Step 1. BBB is Step #2. There will be 100+ more steps to get deficit spending down. I'm not at a point of throwing in a towel. We survived the American Revolution, Civil War with a country shattered, Europe survived WWI/WWII. If we as a country have the will, we can do this. Several generations of indoctrinated public and college students are well programmed for Socialism.

IF, keyword = IF, the BBB does what is projected and expected by the WH, the GOP should pick up more seats in 2026. What Carville said in 1992 still applies even more today.

The MSM will continue to be 98% negative no matter if the economy improves across the board. People pay attention to their wallets more than anything.

I've recently lost a couple close friends that have turned from being decent Democrats to raging radical Progressive Socialists.

Time will tell. As Ben Franklin said to Jean-Baptiste Le Roy - "The only guarantees are Death and Taxes." We should know by year's end into early 2026. The Kingpins will always be SPENDING with Fraud and Abuse is a given for re-election votes.

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"IF, keyword = IF, the BBB does what is projected and expected by the WH, the GOP should pick up more seats in 2026. "

For Trump and the GOP - and by extension the nation- everything hinges on the 2026 midterms. Should the Republican party lose control of the house, Pres. Trump can expect more baseless and practically criminally negligent democrat party impeachment votes. If the Republican party were to lose control of the Senate, any initiatives from the lower house or the White House will be DOA and nothing will get done for two years. Conversely, if the BBB does what it was meant to do before the Senate porkers mangled it, the Republicans will keep both houses with increased majorities. Success in the midterms will be easier now that SCOTUS has woken up and begun beating down the activist judges in lower courts who have abandoned the Constitution in favor of partisan activism.

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The bill spends far too much. Luckily there is a new movement to pass a law that once spending exceeds 3% of gdp, then every member of that Congress becomes ineligible under the law to run for re-election. Spending too much makes trump a member of the swamp. Too much is too much, not matter on what it is spent.

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