Hawaii. It’s exotic and beautiful with tons to do and see. but it’s part of the U.S and everyone speaks English, uses the US dollar, driving is easy etc.
I do have that cash, but there are better things to do with my time and money so I will spend it locally with the dancers I know, but spread it out over a few visits. 5-10k should allow you to cultivate a favorite that takes a few visits, not one.
===> "I do have that cash, but there are better things to do with my time and money so I will spend it locally with the dancers I know, but spread it out over a few visits. 5-10k should allow you to cultivate a favorite that takes a few visits, not one."
This 100%. In fact, in most clubs outside of a handful of large urban markets (NYC, DC, L.A., DFW, MIA), $1,500 in your pocket will pretty much make you a baller.
The Law of Diminishing Returns definitely applies when dealing with strippers. There is an optimal spending point at which you'll often find whatever you want, yet not plunge headfirst into "goofy mark" territory. Of course dropping thousands in a single night will definitely get you a lot of dancer attention, but rarely is it the RIGHT kind of attention. If you a ton on a single night out, or worse, if you do so WITHOUT even managing to get laid, you've just flushed that cash down the toilet. Perhaps someone truly wealthy wouldn't care as much since the cash doesn't mean as much to them, but if you're celebrating a $10k bump like it's some great windfall, that ain't you.
I would go to any new club where no one knows me and that I will never go back to. Get the 10K in hundreds. Pick the worst looking girl I can find so I can make her life. I will walk right up to her on stage throw the entire amount at her for basically no reason and walk back out without saying a word to anyone. Leave everyone going wtf just happened.
Considering how much of a weeb you are and previously made this thread…
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If this trip is happening in December, consider taking a trip to North Chicago metro area, Orlando, Austin, or Norman OK. Show up a couple of days before the scheduled anime conventions are supposed to happen in those areas.
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Before the conventions start, go to strip clubs. Casually mention you’re from out of town to hit those places up. Bring lots of tip money, and be tipping stages of anyone you would physically be remotely interested in…possibly more depending. When making polite introductions and conversation, mention you’re in town for the the convention. See who recognizes what you’re saying…and into that type of thing…or who doesn’t. If they don’t know, just do one dance max with them if any at all because you need to find somebody else.
End result. Possibly you will end up having somebody at one of the conventions to hang out with you…OR you just end up having fun somewhere you like anyways.
I would go to Mamians, then a Chinese buffet with Juice, and get thrown out because Juice ate all the sweet n sour chicken. On my way out I’d run over SJGs Huffy bike with my car.
That would be the most excellent day and it would only cost you $300. Maybe more if I bent one of my wheels while running over SJGs bike but that added cost would still be worth it.
@aleccorbett
Why limit yourself to this country with that kind of money?
You will have a 100 times better time in the “Happiest Place on Earth” (according to Krusty) Tijuana, just walking across the border from San Diego
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Or twice the fun if you go to England and hire an escort, according to @Londonguy it is “legal” and the quality is there, this website shows nice pics of the girls and very reasonable prices
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Or twice the fun also if you go to the German Freikörperkultur (FKK) clubs
I more or less agree with Rick. I can't get much more than two hours of lap dances before I'm totally ready to call it a night. With the typical boundaries I've encountered with lap dancers, it's not worth it to me to pay more than $500 an hour at the most. Beyond that amount, it would be generosity or stupidity. Lap dancing's not an easy occupation, but realistically, there are other people more in need of generosity. When I got a small windfall of $, I did gift a grand to one fav. Mostly just because she was one of the most untoxic people I've encountered, lap dancer or not.
If I was limited to the US, I would go to the Flight Club like Longball. I usually spend $500-$600 there, but I have occasionally spent over $1000. With $5K-$10K, I would party with all the dancers on dayshift and nightshift. Considering the drink prices, I could easily spend $5K.
If I could choose an international location, I would go to Sharks in Frankfurt.
Blowing that kinda money on booty, I'd go overseas for sure.
London, Frankfurt, Bangkok, Macau, Manila, Rio...
What kinda women you like and buy a ticket there.
Go to Vegas or Austin or maybe north Chicago when there’s a convention in town and you’ll have stuff to do outside the club.
Detroit is kind of a shit place to visit, especially in the cold months.
Toronto and Montreal are still on my to-visit list, but I’ve lost track of what’s going on with the lockdowns. Feels like Canada has basically disappeared from Earth at this point
Why limit yourself to one place or club, take a nice trip hit a bunch of places, you can get the VIP treatment most places if you're willing to spend $500-$1000, that is a smarter way to play.
A lot of the stupid money that is spent in clubs is used to impress the dancers or other customers. I’d rather fly under the radar, develop a few favorites, and enjoy myself paying market rates.
===> "I can't get much more than two hours of lap dances before I'm totally ready to call it a night. With the typical boundaries I've encountered with lap dancers, it's not worth it to me to pay more than $500 an hour at the most."
Huh? Just lap dances? If he's carrying that kind of firepower in his wallet I strongly suspect he'll be able to find a lot more than that, if not in the club then after hours at least.
===> "Pleasant memories Bridgeport CT. In and out for $80 bucks and then off to vegas with the remaining money."
Ski of course you mean Pleasant Moments. Anyone who likes that place can have it. The few times I went there it was like entering a third-world country. If quick strike condom sex with a non-English speaking provider in a closet with a tall stool is your thing then go yee forth and all. Some of those girls probably see more cocks in a day than the local men's urology practice. No bueno for me.
Do your research, there are a lot of excellent clubs scattered around the country with extras. Keep it to $300-$400 a trip (easy to do) and you could get a LOT of extras for that amount, and from decent looking girls if you're strategic about it. Tampa and South Florida are good places to start, but smaller clubs abound with options. Baltimore might be a good spot too, or Detroit.
@rd In what US states have you actually gotten FS from a stripper who looked as good or better than [view link] ? In what states have you gotten FS from a stripper who looked at least that good who'd had two drinks or less beforehand?
Yes I do get offered extras from time to time. Usually, I prefer to spend my $ on a dancer who is only down with 2-way but is more attractive to me. I'm an unhealthy old man. My trouser snake is much more inclined than it use to be to stay in it's habitat. I live in a county with under 200,000 people, and the neighboring counties have similarly low populations. I don't believe in talking sex workers into pushing their boundaries. It's a decision that may negatively affect them emotionally for the rest of their lives. Sex with a woman who is too drunk to legally drive isn't appealing to me.
Do a Venn diagram of cities you want to visit for non-strip club reasons and cities that have great strip clubs. The city that has the most overlap is where you want to go. And then try different clubs in that city.
Ilb, I must have touched a nerve for you to trot out all those straw man arguments. Some of my OTC partners drink a lot and some don't. Some no doubt signal for virgin drinks when I'm buying rounds - c'est la vie. I also don't remember ever claiming to put on a full court pressure press - not my gig and never has been.
As far as in which states, 14 of them and counting. Maybe not all as attractive as the pic of the model that you posted (yet another straw man bar), but ranging from reasonably attractive to downright hot as hell. Even better has been the variety, from beautiful full blooded Italian and Russian girls in the northeast to a bevy of regional and ethnic flavors across the Southern and Midwestern states. From the hard accents in Boston and the Bronx to the sweet southern drawls of the south and even one girl with that almost Canadian twang in the upper Midwest.
Heck I even experienced my first bedroom romp with a fully freckled girl from an OTC hookup in Memphis. And for anyone who is curious, yes, those freckles really do go all over, lol.
Side arrangements have been around for as long as I've been clubbing and probably for as long as there have been strip clubs. It's just a reality of the business. When horny guys with money to burn meet girls who want that money bad enough to take their clothes off, a certain % on each side of the tip rail will be willing to go one step further. It's just human nature.
===> "Do a Venn diagram of cities you want to visit for non-strip club reasons and cities that have great strip clubs. The city that has the most overlap is where you want to go."
+ 1,000. If you're going to hit the road and treat yourself, don't let clubs be your only criteria. Maybe first seek out a few enticing locales and then cross reference against the club scenes. With the colder weather coming, you might want to include Miami in that mix of places that you consider.
Go somewhere like South Florida and find the most attractive girl in three or four different high end clubs over the course of two days and do VIP with each. It will be a wonderful memory.
@rd 14 states eh? Can you name (any of) them, or would that be asking too much of your booze-damaged brain? Honestly, if you can help me identify the best places for finding healthy-looking women who are the most comfortable doing sex work, I'll be grateful. I can't guess why you think I'm triggered. We're both just mutually skeptical of each other. Seems like, in all your OTC brags, you describe the dancer as having drunk a lot of booze. I doubt I'm the only one who got the impression that getting her to drink heavily was a big part of The System. I think most men would be more proud of the times a woman could tolerate doing them without a really thick pair of booze goggles.
Oh hey forgot to say it isn't happening until after March buy I like to plan trips out. Fwiw I go to clubs every other month and spend at least 2k when I do. Although I'm cutting back until my next stripper trip that I'm planning.
I'm actually curious how you guys spend under 500 and get satisfied because I have only had that happen in houston texas with its 20$ topless dances.
Side note I think I most want to visit souther VA or Charlotte NC as I really want to go to Carowinds. Honestly I may just consider getting an escort since i have no game and no idea how to get an otc date. But if there are any clubs in that region might hit them up too.
aleccorbett said "I'm actually curious how you guys spend under 500 and get satisfied..."
Well, "satisfied" means different things to different people. So, that's the first variable that needs to be nailed down before you get a good answer from anyone.
That said, I think there's exactly one time that I spent $2K in a club, and I had a great time but it's not the sort of thing I want to repeat from a budget perspective.
Usually, I'll go to the club and chat with a few dancers, but I'll wind up spending my money primarily on one. So, a little stage tipping, a couple of drinks, and then VIP fees & tips, and that usually puts me in the range of $400 to $600 depending on the dancer.
So anyways…I happen to be 5’0 and have big tits and a very young appearing round face and am half-Asian and very much fit the super kawaii aesthetic. Also, despite what my posting activity on here would suggest I’ve been constantly told that I have a super sweet personality as well. 🥰
There is an anime festival going on in Denver in April. It’s a generally great time of year to be in Denver with lots of beauty and activities all around for general tourism as well. If you want help with learning game, I can probably help be a wingwaifu
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Just figure I’d mention that…
===> "@rd 14 states eh? Can you name (any of) them, or would that be asking too much of your booze-damaged brain? Honestly, if you can help me identify the best places for finding healthy-looking women who are the most comfortable doing sex work, I'll be grateful."
What a stupid fucking comment. I guess 14 states doesn't drive the point home for you that it happens pretty much everywhere.
CT, NY, RI, MA, PA, NC, SC, FL, GA, TN, TX, WI, OR, NV.
If the guy is walking around with that kind of cash burning a hole in his pocket, he's going to find whatever he's looking for pretty much anywhere.
The amounts the OP mentions are far too high in my opinion. It seems there is a certain amount spent, and anything beyond that provides diminishing returns. I think $1000 is likely enough to find full satisfaction in many clubs.
If a club offers extras, it likely won’t require you to piss away your money to get them. However, if you want to piss away your money, I doubt the dancers will tell you to stop spending.
I don’t make it rain. If you are a type who spends to be seen, then you can waste a lot in a short amount of time. If you get bottle service and want a table - then that’s more money spent/wasted too.
Um Rick you are A) correct "moments" and B) it was a joke. Spending that kind of cash in a strip club would be depressing. SPICE - offhand I can think of one dancer at Desires with an appearance similar to yours. Based on her I would suggest you would totally kill it in New England with your look and personality.
@rd TN really? That's not what I hear about TN. Oh wait, proly Memphis. Yeah, all of those states seem plausible. But I'd still bet that your claim of healthy, cheap and readily available anywhere in the US is a boast too far. If you were claiming you could get two out of three of those in most US cities, that would seem much more plausible.
^ When did I ever use the word "cheap" to describe anything? Also define what you think "readily available" and "healthy" mean? I pay good money to attractive women who are sometimes easy to pick up but often require a time investment to build rapport.
You're a very odd duck Ilb. I suspect that you struggle to deal with other human beings, which is why you're having difficulty processing all of this. You rely upon rigid mental categorizations and other assumptions regarding the behaviors of others that don't hold up IRL.
Oh but I do need to make one change to the list. Specifically I need to swap out OR with MD. Like I said, these events start to blur after a while. I mixed up my MD and OR encounters - in both cases the hotels were walking distance from the club, but the one I consummated was in MD. OR would have made it 15 states if I hadn't fallen asleep when the stripper was on her way and trying to call me, but c'est la vie.
So the updated list is as follows:
CT, NY, RI, MA, PA, NC, SC, FL, GA, TN, TX, WI, MD, NV.
@rd It's not fair to compare me with you. No one else could come close to the charm and rapport with other human beings that your posts here make clear you have.
Somewhere I said I'm fine with paying up to $250 for a half-hour of good 2-way. You said I should be hiding the salami for that amount. To me, that seems cheap.
I'm not interested in a woman who's weight, muscle tone or skin texture indicate she's seriously unhealthy. Hypocritical of me, but is what it is.
That would be unquestionably Florida, particularly south Florida Palm Beach County gets second place Broward and Miami would be tied for first place, with possibly Pompano being the best city, but Miami has the most clubs.
===> "@rd It's not fair to compare me with you. No one else could come close to the charm and rapport with other human beings that your posts here make clear you have."
No ilb, it just seems that way to you due to your inherent limitations. Plenty of other guys can manage negotiations with strippers just fine, but for some reason you are stuck in your own head.
Regarding that $250 belief, I'm guessing you took a situational comment and adopted it as my blanket philosophy. Again stuck in your own head. I always pay a very fair rate given where I am. But whatever I said and whenever I said it, the days of playing hide the salami for $250 almost anywhere with a hot piece of ass have vanished over the past several months. Inflation has been a real bitch on OTC prices, lol.
Alec, I don't know just how important the southern accent is to you, but you won't find many girls speaking like that in S. FL. A solid percentage of the girls are Cuban and the ones who aren't are often transplants from somewhere else. But plenty of them will suck your dick, which is likely more important than a southern drawl, no? 😉
But if I'm wrong and that accent is a dealbreaker, you'd find more authentic southern varieties in places like Greenville SC, DFW Texas and Atlanta GA. We have a lot more of it around these parts too in Jacksonville FL, but I would hardly recommend this area as a prime club hound destination.
Rick believe it or not there are clubs with native girls down here, you have Solid Gold, Deans and there's a bunch of Florida natives in Vixens, and several others the clubs aren't all Cuban despite what is said on here.
I'm not a big fan but Diamond Dolls in Pompano is pretty liberal and easy with extras and FS, but you will have to deal with the Cuban sorority in that club, hit Cheetah's a few blocks away you will get similar just might be a bit more costly, but you have your windfall use it to have some fun.
@rd since your giving me such a frank personal assessment, without me even having to ask for one, I'll return the favor. You seem to be a very smug person. In my many years, I've found that smug people are generally the ones with the least to smug about. It's certainly possible that strippers just find you more appealing than me, so they're willing to do more with you than me for the same $. I don't find sexual attraction to be very sensible, not even my own. But your x-mas story thread shows a clear difference between us. I'm not comfortable with it when a sex worker changes her boundaries because she's under $ pressure. Especially if she only changes her boundaries after more than a couple of drinks. I'll get a few more dances from a fav who's in a $ pinch (if it's not a weekly or monthly thing). With a couple of special favs, I did OTC twice a week for a few months, before they had cosmetic surgery, and were going to have to live off savings for a while.
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Funny ilb. You've tripped over yourself to post endless bad troll satire to paint common interactions and negotiations between customers and dancers as some weird event only occurring with drunk and/or desperate strippers, yet then accuse other of hyper-defensive posting. Alright then. ;)
===> "@rd since your giving me such a frank personal assessment, without me even having to ask for one, I'll return the favor. You seem to be a very smug person. In my many years, I've found that smug people are generally the ones with the least to smug about. It's certainly possible that strippers just find you more appealing than me, so they're willing to do more with you than me for the same $."
I suppose it's easy for defensive people to confuse simple point matter-of-factness with smugness. I'm simply stating it like it is, at least in my very ample experience. I don't know anything about you so i won't opine on what your self-perceived defects might be, but water is wet, the sun is hot and there will always be strippers willing to finish the job for the right price.
As far as your perception of my Xmas story, if that makes you uncomfortable then to each his own. To me the fact that she feels pressure to buy little Johnny that VR headset for Xmas is hardly a life or death situation. Her most obvious choice is to simply buy him something cheaper. IMO there are rarely situations where a girl truly MUST have sex in exchange for cash or else face dire consequences - at least not here in the U.S. But again, I'm never going to tell another grown man how he should spend his money and if that's not within your comfort zone then go yee forth and all.
This thread is as entertaining as watching a Monty Python skit. Somehow I don't picture Rick as a wire glasses wearing, slicked back hair guy with a high pitched petulant twang.
@rd I guess you're right, smug isn't exactly the right term. Malignantly delusional is more correct. A woman needed to get fairly drunk to tolerate your repulsiveness. And you somehow see that as such a sign of your cleverness that you brag about it on the world wide wed.
I could, but I don't. You would have to be a complete and utter fool to spend that ITC. If I were to spend that on sex, it would be 2-3 of the hottest ladies in the state, in a lux hotel.
What muddy, rick, and C.M.I. said. I have plenty of money, and I'm not going to waste it gallivanting around the country's strip clubs just looking for pussy. Now, if the Venn diagram shows enough interest overlap, I'll be happy to travel. But traveling just for pussy, when there's plenty of it right here, is a chump's game.
Locally, I can spend less than a tenth of even your lower limit and still have a really good time with a hot, generally less sexually inhibited woman who will do most anything I want.
Are you guys addressing the original topic? How do you find women locally? Ut seems like escorts are far more expensive than strippers if they are worthwhile.
@rd you are just a name-caller. I don't say negative things about people without reason. Spending in the high 3 or 4 figures on X-mas is a norm in US culture. Many retail companies have business models based on it. The pressure on people created by that norm is not as strong as the pressure of a mortgage payment or an empty fridge, but that doesn't mean it's not (a strong) pressure. To glibly claim it isn't a significant financial pressure, is smug and (if you fully believe that) delusional. I mean, I could believe it's not a pressure for you personally. Given how malignant you seem to be, I could see you taking pleasure is watching a kid open an gift wrapped empty box on X-mas morning. Thinking what matters to others doesn't matter, because it doesn't matter to you, is smugness.
@minnow the comparison with the guy in the video is, whenever rd can't defend something he's written, he'll deny he said it, or claim he only brags about stories that make him look like a fuckboy cause he's humble, or give some twisted explanation of why his fuckboy claims and behavior only seem fuckboyish, but actually aren't.
@gmd so, more specifically, are you saying FS is readily available for about $400 with dancers who look at least this good [view link] ? If you mean you've got two or so favs you see regularly, that I can see. I you mean with a different dancer every week or every month, I'd think you'd be writing lots of really glowing club reviews.
@Ilb: You called me malignantly delusions and trotted out - yet again - the straw man notion that every one of my dates has to get drunk. "Bitter troll twat" seemed apropos all things considered. What did you expect, as statue erected in your honor? 😉
As far as the rest, hogwash. We all must learn to live within our means, as do our children. "The ad company made me do it" is not an excuse. She also has the option of saving up. Heck some stores even have layaway programs, including Gamestop for those expensive electronics. She has ample choices all along the way. If she decides to fuck me for Xmas money, it's also a choice, one that she doesn't have to make.
@rd I agree, the norms of money discipline/management in our country, in general, not just X-mas related, are terrible. But I still see it as ugly, malignant behavior that you leveraged, with smirking condescension rather than an ounce of sympathy, her lack of money discipline to get her to push her boundaries. Especially since you claim you have ample other options. I mean, if you were stuck somewhere without booze, like Saudi Arabia or something, and a (presumably closeted) gay guy was waving a bottle of whiskey in front of you, asking for a blow job, then (presuming that's outside your boundaries) I would see that as ugly, malignant behavior too. In spite of my not endorsing your lack of booze discipline.
IMO if you'd proudly reminisce here about your OTCs with non-drunk, non-desperate strippers instead, you'd seem like less of a fuckboy.
So now I have this image in my head of some poor excited kid, tearing open wrapping paper X-mas morning, to find a layaway claim check in the box. So Rick, did you ever give your kids pawn tickets for X-mas, tell them daddy would get their presents out of hock, as soon as he paid down his tab at the liquor store?
===> "But I still see it as ugly, malignant behavior that you leveraged, with smirking condescension rather than an ounce of sympathy, her lack of money discipline to get her to push her boundaries."
Yup, troll twat indeed. You know that a recent study found that most Internet trolls suffer from a combination of loneliness and sociopathic tendencies, no? 😕
But anywho...as far as leveraging a girl's lack of money disclipline...
And?
Almost every guy who got his dick sucked by a stripper last night in clubs and hotels around the country was ultimately benefitting from his gal's lack of spending discipline, whether he knew it or not. Fast money spends fast.
aleccorbett said "Are you guys addressing the original topic? How do you find women locally? Ut [sic] seems like escorts are far more expensive than strippers if they are worthwhile."
The original topic wasn't about finding women locally. So, if you're looking for P4P fun, then there's three main avenues: strip clubs, sugar babies, or escorts. There's others, but most fall in or near those three channels. How effective each might be depends on your location and your personality/tastes when it comes to this stuff.
Escorts are not "far more expensive" than strippers. Again, variations will depend on your location, but it's really a mixed bag. I know strippers who will not accept less than $1,000 for full service, and that's more expensive than any local escort of the same caliber. If you were to put a gun to my head, I guess I'd come down on the side of strippers being marginally less expensive than an escort of the same caliber.
The upside of escorts is that if you find one that is well reviewed in the usual places, then there's a very good chance that you'll have a good time. Also, the good ones are pretty dependable, so they show up on time and don't play games with pricing, etc. The downside with escorts is that the encounters are much more transactional. Also, the good ones also insist on getting a bunch of your personal information up front to verify that you're not law enforcement. Though I understand the need to do this, I don't like it.
For me, right now, strip clubs are my go-to. I haven't had any luck with sugar babies via sites like Seeking, but I'll admit that I haven't put a lot of effort into it.
Via another thread, said: "Only getting 2-way currently. Broken down old man that I am now, only wussy extras like mouth and nipple kissing really appeal these days. But I've gotten gun shy about even seeking those. So far, they've come with too much hassles and drama.
Lately I've been averaging about $1500 a week. Maybe I need a 12 step program or something."
I'm going to gently suggest that someone who is forking over $1500 per week for "wussy extras" maybe shouldn't lecture others about pricing expectations. I mean, if you're fine with spending that amount of money to kiss a nipple, then have at it. But, you seem to be saying that because you're shelling out a shit-ton of money for light extras, then it's not believable for anyone else to be spending less than you while getting more than you.
"@gmd so, more specifically, are you saying FS is readily available for about $400 with dancers who look at least this good [view link] ? If you mean you've got two or so favs you see regularly, that I can see. I you mean with a different dancer every week or every month, I'd think you'd be writing lots of really glowing club reviews."
I don't know if georgmicrodong is saying that, but I will. I could go out to a club today and get FS from a very hot dancer for $400 or maybe a bit more. I'll say that $400 is probably the bottom edge of getting FS from a hot dancer, but it's far from impossible. And, no, I'm no siver-fox Adonis, so that's not the reason why I'm paying that price. Again, I'm not sure why you're spending so much to get so little, but I don't think you should assume that your 'normal' is 'normal' for anyone else.
Lastly, while I don't agree or like some of Dugan's professed methods of strip clubbing (and I've said so), I don't understand this need to chase him to every thread to continue the argument. I mean, if that's fun for you and Rick seems to enjoy responding to each of your posts, then go for it. But if anything has been proven over the years, it's that there's no magical post that will inspire a transformation or convince Rick to change his ways.
@rd Hmm so I'm a sociopath because I said you should be sympathetic rather than sadistic. Seems like that's gotta be the booze talkin'. I'm not the one lonely enough to spend an evening drinking alone and shit-texting with an unemployed junkie.
I notice you didn't respond to the whole sucking dick for whiskey scenario. Sorry dude I didn't mean to remind you of bad memories.
We're not all the same. As I've said, if I'm a dancer's regular, I'll encourage her to plan her $ ahead. I'll try to increase the amount of fun time, within her boundaries, and encourage her to save the extra money, if she's got big expenses coming up. This is how older people who are not total shit-stains behave towards much younger people. I avoid dancers who can't save a dime.
It's entirely possible nothing bad happened here. She may not even have kids. Maybe she holds her liquor just fine. There is nothing wrong with it that you seek to get more for your $ than I do. But it's natural for her to hold out as long as she can to try to get the $ for less effort. Maybe the Johnny wants an Xbox story was just the last Hail Mary attempt at quicker $ using the pity angle. The key thing is how YOU chose to present the story. That you got over on a much younger person who was drunk and a little desperate. Really Rick, if you're honestly trying to be entertaining, I think I speak for many when I say, that's not the way. Brag about how nice her tits were, not how successful you think you were at being predatory.
Is everyone who disagrees with you a troll? Do non-Ricks only ever post on the WWW to troll the Ricks? Nope, nothing smug there.
@ilbbaicnl: "more specifically, are you saying FS is readily available for about $400 with dancers who look at least this good? If you mean you've got two or so favs you see regularly, that I can see. I you mean with a different dancer every week or every month, I'd think you'd be writing lots of really glowing club reviews."
"Readily" might be an overstatement, but yeah. I have two regulars and a couple more that see me from time to time, and I've never gone as high as $400 with any of them. While my standards for "hot" seem quite a bit broader than some posters here, one of them is an absolute smoke show, a tall willowy blonde with as close to perfect proportions as I've met (though she thinks her perfect little tits should be bigger), easily hotter than the pic you linked to, and I'd be willing to bet that at *least* 80% of the posters here would agree with me.
She contacted me shortly after the first pandemic shutdown with an offer I couldn't refuse. It was an insane low-ball, and I told her when she was finished killing me that she deserved more than that, and gave it to her. Since then, even though she absolutely does not need my money anymore (I've seen her take home from *one* weekend night, and it's easily as much as my weekly take home), she still takes pity on me periodically (I think primarily because she has a specific kink that I gladly feed for her), at much less than that $400.
Another has two kids, but you'd never know it from her body. She's a slim (not skeletal) brunette with smallish boobs, and a firm ass. She's not nearly as sexually uninhibited as some I've known, but once you get your dick in her, she's a fucking wild cat.
Another one I'd probably rate a 6, except for her face, which is an 8, but her attitude and sexiness definitely peg the meter. She's pleasantly plump, with some really massive boobs, and a nice bouncy ass that looks amazing from behind.
All of these girls came from clubs that virtually no one here would call dives, and there are more waiting, even if they aren't the majority of the population. In fact, I'm "courting" one of them now. She's just about at the limit for my skinniness tolerance, but she has some truly impressive tits.
Now, I realize you're probably pretty skeptical, and I understand that, but bear in mind that this is flyover country, not ridiculously priced coasts, or Vegas. I'm not going to post any of the multitude of pics and vids I have of them, but if you ever visit Louisville, let me know and I'll show them to you. Or as much as can be shown without compromising them. I can virtually guarantee that with the tall blonde, you'll question her sanity in fucking a fat, ugly troll like me for a measly couple hundred bucks.
^ ilb, you're not a troll because you disagree with me, you're a troll because you keep repeating the same satirical characterizations of me and my actions over and over. The only other reasons I could fathom for this are that you are somewhat stupid or a bit retarded. By calling you a troll I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt. My bad. 😉
As far as the rest, I'll brag about what I want and if that gets your panties in a twist then too bad. Also don't speak for anyone but yourself, you're not smart enough. If you want to play the role of stripper life coach in your interactions with them then cool beans, but that's a YOU thing.
Your biggest problem though is that you don't think that a grown woman can make her own informed decisions, but instead needs someone like you to save her. When a girl makes the choice to fuck me for that X-box for Johnny, she is exercising her power in prioritizing her kid's joy over her natural reluctance to fuck someone old enough to be her Dad.
When she watches him open that present on Xmas, she will be proud of herself for making it happen. But someone like you, who arrogantly assumes that she must be a victim, would effectively strip her of her power. Shit I can only imagine how much some of these girls want to drill their own eardrums out when they listen to you try to "coach" them - you've got to be downright painful to listen to, lol.
@rd Yeah I don't think I'm the only one guilty of being repetitive here, generally takes at least two (or one SJG) when that happens.
You justify you're being a shit-stain with false dichotomies. I get friendly with my favs. I do the friendly thing, do what I can to help them out, suggest to them which of their options I think is the better one. Even if I don't manage to get friendly with them, I don't take satisfaction from it, or brag about it, when their difficulties work to my advantage. Not the same as trying to be anybody's "life coach".
Can't deny that, when you speak for others and say I don't speak for them, your logic is clearly totally ironclad.
Were it not for your sad reading comprehension problem, you'd see that in my last post, I made it clear I reach no conclusion that she's a victim. I concluded you're a shit-stain cause you brag about your potentially delusional belief that you got the better of her. Yes, I'm being repetitive, but you seem to need it.
@gmd thanks a million, exactly the kind of post I'm hoping to find on here. I had family in Louisville back in the last century who I use to visit. In many ways, Kentuckians as a group are the nicest people you'll meet in the US. Maybe it's changed over the years, but I couldn't pull out a map in KY without someone coming up and asking if I needed help finding someplace. Sounds like I should put it on my list of potential retirement locations.
Ah Ilb, I see the disconnect now. You assume that because I brag about getting tons O' holiday ass courtesy of dancers who need Xmas money that I believe that I'm getting one over on them. Nothing could be further from the truth. As a parent myself I have nothing but great respect for any Momma lion who does what she feels necessary to provide for her cubs.
So stop talking about these girls like they are victimized drunks shit for brains.
And I fully expect to do plenty of bragging this year too. In fact I am putting a couple extra grand aside in the tuckie account to fully enjoy this holiday season. Ricky Claus is gonna pay for a lot of presents for kids with good Mommies this Christmas season. ;)
Spending lots of $$$ all at once (or over a short period) doesn’t produce any special magic. But regularly spending $300 per visit at a handful of clubs that have proven to be high mileage venues will reliably ensure you have a “swell” time and get your emission accomplished.
The turnover among the dancers is usually much higher than it is among the waitresses. Being very generous with the waitresses pays off. They know why you’re there and will repay your kindness and generosity by directing the lovelier, high mileage gals your way.
I have more than enough disposable income and time. But most strip clubs now are just dreadful. Especially in the southern U.S. region. I haven't been there but I keep reading good things about Colorado strip joints.
===> "@rd BTW did you ever do another OTC meet with that dancer? Have you talked to her since, is she still friendly with you?"
There were multiple dancers last Xmas season and, yes, I repeated with most of them. Usually when I land one for the first time future opportunities open up. When I don't repeat with one, the most likely reason is: (1) I did not enjoy my time with her; or (2) She's no longer dancing and is cutting ties with people from that life.
What? No belabored, insult-laden explanation of how I'm bad for responding to what you wrote because what you meant is completely different than what you wrote?
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