Dating "civvies" vs strippers....
Icee Loco (asshole)
I'm a fucking loser
The most fucked up girls I've known weren't strippers.
Dating a stripper is like dating anyone else. Your relationship doesn't revolve around her job. And when it comes up its her batching about other girls or management. Customers never come up.
They're normal girls. A lot of girls I grew up with became strippers and my clubbing career started out going to give them moral support when they started.
And sometimes picking up strippers is an ego boost. Im not talking p4p.
Civvies aren't that different. Except they don't have as much free time and when they do they're bums. But college girls and young white collar jobbed girls are the easiest pump and dump types.
I don't get how a man who pays hookers for sex can call dancers whores or act like they're so fucked up. It's pure misogyny.
Dating a stripper is like dating anyone else. Your relationship doesn't revolve around her job. And when it comes up its her batching about other girls or management. Customers never come up.
They're normal girls. A lot of girls I grew up with became strippers and my clubbing career started out going to give them moral support when they started.
And sometimes picking up strippers is an ego boost. Im not talking p4p.
Civvies aren't that different. Except they don't have as much free time and when they do they're bums. But college girls and young white collar jobbed girls are the easiest pump and dump types.
I don't get how a man who pays hookers for sex can call dancers whores or act like they're so fucked up. It's pure misogyny.
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^ only when said dates are established like civie ones. If a dude has to go into a club and pay drugs and money to get with a stripper, then he's just a trick bitch.
The dude that picks up on a stripper in a completely civie environment is a whole different story. He didn't have to resort to trick tactics like the aforementioned dude.
If strippers are like dating anyone else, why is picking them up is an ego boost?
If strippers are like dating anyone else, why have you have admitted that strippers are never drama free? I don't tolerate woman drama anywhere in my life--if she's not a soft place to land in my busy life, that relationship isn't long for the world.
Hate to break this to you, but the girl who broke your heart has typical stripper issues. You dug your hole, man.
And yeah she is great and normal like any other civie woman.
Who the fuck says drugs or gifts are a precondition to dating them.
^^^ Hey dumbass, YOU did.
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=5853…
"- You're going to have to spend money"
"- Turn the conversation to drugs. Hook her up with whatever she’s into...
...Its in your best interest to take control of her drug use from the start. Make sure she does the minimum to get fucked up."
😂😂😂
It's called making a strawman argument.
With civvies there might need to be a learning curve. Also, most civvies still hold to, "I don't fuck more than one guy at a time." Where as of course for UHM strippers this will not be true at all.
Locally, and more so in San Francisco, AMP girls are this good too.
SJG
It's not completely their fault. The story is usually the same. Daddy left or was abusive. Mom usually was an addict or bounced between boyfriends or both.
Are there fucked up non-strippers? Yes. Are there Vice Presidents with daddy issues willing to do depraved things in bed with the right guy? Again... Yes. God yes. But it's the difference between people with issues who can keep their shit together and people who really can't.
There are girls who strip for six months, make fast cash and bounce. They can be better adjusted than the girls at it for five years.
They are humans and deserve basic respect. But don't lend them your car.
But I think girls un general are very insecure about their bodies and will do whatever to please a man.
I've known college girls who put out within an hour of meeting them and then would blow my phone up acting all attached. Legal assistants who pretend to be so bougie but consider sucking your dick a date.
Young women in general are like that. At least in my experience.
Strippers tend to fall in love real fast and love hard. They crave something real coz their world is so fake. And I think its more mommy issues than daddy issues
SJG
You wrote and I quote:
“I like them doing stuff like walking around naked in heels when they come over...”
Pics and Vids or it didn’t happen.
:D
I have known one like that. Arriving at my door in extreme makeup, a party dress, high heels, and garter belt and stockings underneath.
I plan to know many more such.
But most civvies seem to have this line, the sluttiness line, which they don't want to cross.
SJG
Many will do it in private . The sluttiest ones in private. You have to make them comfortable and make it look like it's their idea.
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=4362…
To make it work easily though I think you need sex furniture.
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=4363…
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Even in their pDF postion guide they don't talk about face sitting. Would seem to suggest that they don't think it works well, or they don't understand it.
https://www.liberator.com/media/pdf_file…
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One girl went into my bathroom and shaved her pussy then started praying.
Girls who got drunk and start showing me they don't have underwear on and want to fuck .....in public. Had this happen 4 times.
Legal assistants who got off on thug shit.
A shy girl who loved dressing slutty in private and getting hate fucked.
Lots of obsessed girls whod text and call 24 7.
Not that any of this sounds real anyway. His posts always come across like he read about it in a book. Not a good book either, but one with a childishly simplistic plot line and characters developed with the all of the emotional empathy and nuance of someone who is on the autism spectrum, lol.
But with all of that said, I could never date a stripper because I couldn't handle her job. IMO any grown man who is ok with his SO crawling all over other guys for a living is a Grade A pussy or has no self respect whatsoever or both.
And for someone claiming to know so much about strippers youre out of touch with reality
That's because they're just a side attraction for me, not the main event. I have a family that I adore, including 3 beautiful kids. When I'm done fucking the stripper I send her home to a loser like the character that you're trying (unconvincingly) to portray so that I can go back to my real existence.
But ok Icee please do share your "reality" with us via more of your bad fiction. 😉
It's a luxury that I happily pay for when I meet the right girl, like one who just re-entered my rotation in a big way. She is a walking cliche with all of her life issues, but I don't have to deal with any of them. I just get to spend time drinking with her and then fuck her silly before she goes home to the deadbeat loser "fiance."
Btw the only thing worse than a real pimp is a mega loser who is so disenchanted with his life that he pretends to be something else but just can't pull it off. Just sayin...
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You mean like a wannabe happy family man addicted to sex with hookers
You think you gonna change a rick? Or anyone?
(It's one of her defense mechanisms.)
Gsteph im not trying to change anyone
Also more of a discussion on "desperate women" than "dating civvies vs strippers"
Jesus some of the bits and pieces I skimmed. What in the fuck is wrong with some bitches? And I thought I had mental problems LOLLL
And ultimately if you really wanna know a stripper and understand her "civie" side, then you better get with her and get to know her completely outside of her club environment. If you are establishing your relationships and basing your understanding of strippers from the perspective of while they are working, where their job is to provide a fantasy (whether ITC or OTC), then you have a warped perspective.
My wife is getting old dude, as am I. I have my big family and a lot of years fucking and sucking like a champ to get to that point. Can you say the same? :)
But yeah if I was a dude I'd never date a stripper who whores out here and there when she needs money or gets a larger offer. Hate to say it, but I do think that is very very common especially these days since there is less stigma. Girls basically brag about what whores they are in the dressing rooms these days and don't care who hears that. Used to be more that you might be friends or semi friends with a stripper and after a while they would admit to something like that. Times have changed.
If this is the future of TUSCL just fucking wow.
If this is the future of TUSCL just fucking wow."
Someone has to carry the torch when you elderly dayshift retirees finally drop. 😁
😁😁
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I've met some incredibly fucked up women who were strippers. I've also met some incredibly fucked up women who were not strippers. I have no idea which were more fucked up overall, because it's not like I've been taking "crazy" measurements and jotting them down in a journal like I'm the Jane Goodall of fucked-up women. I've also met very level-headed women in both the "stripper" and "non-stripper" camps. Strip clubs are like a box of chocolates or, I don't know, something pithy like that. Shut up ... I like boobies.
Anyway, what I think makes dating a stripper different and/or difficult for many guys is that the woman works in an industry that is taboo to the vast majority of the public. I mean, even if a dancer is 100% clean, no extras, and doing air dances at 10 paces, the moment she puts on stripper heels and gets naked on stage, it's automatically a lot more complex for *most* guys to bring that woman into their lives on a personal, dating/relationship level.
There are guys who can manage it by way of different age-related and/or lifestyle factors, but for the most part the big difference between dating a "civie" and a stripper is the degree to which that taboo job affects the relationship and/or needs to be lied about.
Personally, I think this entire debate, where we're trying to measure crazy on a yardstick, is asinine.
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ADDENDUM: I've also met more than my fair share of incredibly fucked up and level-headed guys, but none of them were strippers. That's probably because I don't hang out in those places.
I agree. We need a change from old dudes who hate women enough to post old poems adored by incels. It would also be nice if this place had more guys who didn't think that admitted pedophiles are A-OK.
Agreed 100%. It's like the guy who asks a dancer why she's working in a strip club, as if he isn't also sitting in the same place at that very moment enjoying what she has to offer.
And skibum just repeated what I said
For someone who complains so much about everyone only seeing things from a very narrow perspective, you spend a lot of time seeing almost everything from a very narrow perspective.
For *some* guys, what you say can be true, but for most guys it's absolutely not true. For a lot of guys, having a stripper girlfriend will create a great amount of churn with their friends, family, and in their workplace. Whether that's fair or unfair is a whole other thing, but it does make the relationship more difficult (as would any occupation that is tabboo or carries some degree of controversy).
It doesn't make the relationship impossible, but certainly harder as opposed to dating someone in some sort of vanilla job.
who the hell can hate a woman their having sex with. If you're really that bothered, why even sex her at all. Sounds like a total waste of both parties time. I can't imagine getting busy with a partner that you don't like. THe whole point of sex is that the other person turns you on no?
Then said PL starts thinking he's "dating" and it's no big deal because the reality is that the "dating" is no different than tricking/sugaring.
But can be xcptn- A 19 yo Dominican Rep intl student so good fuk. She black as nite fantastic in white bik Got to have her bareback too. She would proudly squirt out cream pie. It’s like I really want fill her with cum would cry out loudly. Told me I true generous gentleman after gave her grand as gift.
I for one vote ICEE as most trollie troll. Keep on trollin!
The woman you sleep with is a direct reaction of you.
And I admit to fucking girls I didn't like coz they were there.... and I've rejected plenty of girls.
But I never judged them. If you judge a girl as a lowlife or anything negative and you still fuck her. You're no better than what you judge her for. Maybe worse
There is a bit of truth to stereotypes but honestly I kind of prefer dating strippers. They're motivated and so unbelievably unafraid of the world. People these days so skittish and boring.
^^^LMFAO hey icee why are you so judgemental of Instagram thots?
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7618…
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Is it OK to judge them coz you're not fucking them? You're such a hypocrite. You judge women all the time.
And then saying you fucked a girl you didn't like and you did it only coz they were there is still, in fact, you judging them. 😂
Son, sometimes the line between "stripper" and "hoe" is as thin as one bad week ITC, especially when she has kids to feed or an urgent bill to pay. And they all have SOs - they just don't tell the dupes what they did to earn the bacon.
^^^ Hey icee so if your 5 year stripper "girlfriend" is a coke junkie and whore on the side and dumped you for a weed dealer, what does that say about you? Lulz not judging, just asking.
And that's certainly not anything ICEE would ever advocate... wait ... what?
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7362…
If you were in any way genuine to what you purport yourself to be, you wouldn't need other people reminding your about the things you've claimed to do.
More like exploiting someone who views providing sex for money as preferable to embarrassment or discomfort.
We don't truly know what the term "dire need" is in this country. As someone involved in food and community outreach programs I can tell you from experience that we have such an abundance of available free food that nobody ever has to go hungry anywhere ever. Every county in the country also has a Catholic Charities or similar program ready and willing to help with things like negotiating rent or clearing up a utility bill. There are also very few population centers that don't have public transportation options if you need them, including the areas that I club in.
So what I'm actually exploiting is a mother's desire to shop for her kids at the grocery store, so that she can buy them the Oreos and ice cream that they want, rather than to get her food from a food bank. Or to have to explain to her kids why she couldn't throw them a birthday party of why Santa didn't come this year. Or have to explain to her SO why their cell phones stopped working. Or to have to explain to the kids and the SO why the electricity got shut off and then have to negotiate with the electric co or seek aid from a local program (there are several). Or...
Our younger generation is so soft, while at the same time casual sex is so much more accepted now, that providing sex for cash often feels like the better option than experiencing emotional discomfort or embarrassment. Shit Christmas season has become my favorite time of the year because there are so many stripper Moms that do not want to disappoint their little ones. In the old days if there wasn't enough money to buy little Johnny that special bike then so be it. But nowadays if Johnny's Mom is a stripper and he really wants that expensive video game console, she'd rather agree to go OTC with me for the first time ever than face his disappointment on Christmas Day. 😉
Rick July 15 explaining why strippers make bad decisions
—>“Since you obviously lack perspective, there are very few places in this country where public transportation is reliable and widespread enough to allow one to forego a car completely if one must work and go to school.”
Rick July 6 explaining why deliberately not buying car insurance isn’t a bad decision
—>“Nice, to your points about knowing how it was to be poor, I was one of them for many years. I lived in a place with hookers and drug dealers strolling back and forth outside my window. I slept on a mattress on the floor and used a toaster oven and hotplate as my main cooking tools. I connected a hose to the bathtub spout to I could have a "shower" while sitting in the tub. I drove uninsured and with a revoked license because I had no other decent option. I had warrants out on me for traffic issues that I had no money to resolve.
These are the reasons that I continue to be involved in community charities now, especially those for kids and immigrants, which continue to put me back into those neighborhoods. “
Rick july 6 explaining that he was lived bad neighborhood because he was too poor to live in a college dorm, despite me finding the price tags to prove Rick could have easily afforded living in one on minimal wage and no school debt. All because he wanted to not obey traffic laws
—> We don't truly know what the term "dire need" is in this country.
Rick July 15 saying people don’t truly struggle
Just thought that type of stuff when it’s been less than two weeks was hilarious and wanted to point that out. But don’t let me distract, feel free to keep beating on Icey 😁
SJG
^^^ IceyDodo posted this Sept 13, 2020.
How the fuck is this not sexual exploitation? LMAO all icee does is project her own issues onto others. Such a hypocritical trick bitch.
@Ishmael thanks for posting that link.
That was both confusing and melodramatic, LOL. But OK, I'll bite. How exactly does offering OTC qualify as "coercion?"
Rick you used her situation to coerce her into prostitution
persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats
Again, how? I didn't threaten her. She had no previous claim on money that was being withheld. I didn't control her or her environment in any way. All I did was make an offer that she was free to accept or reject.
I think you may need to look the term up in the dictionary as your definitional understanding is a bit off.
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There are more ethical ways to engage in solicitation
Great post! 🤦😂🤣
Hey icee where on the scale of ethical solicitation does offering coke to a junkie stripper whore fall? Just curious where you see preying on someone's addictions lies.
I ask again, how ethical is this?
Hypothetically speaking only lulz.
How would one go about ethically soliciting sex from her so as not to prey on her vulnerabilities?
Would offering her $5K be the ethical thing to do?
@icee while you are looking up the definition of 'coerce' you should also look up the meaning of 'grasping at straws'.
I saw it but chose not to respond because doing so would have required a long discussion context and the difference between "need" for purposes of that thread and the type of "dire need" necessary for coercion. That's an endless rabbit hole, so instead I let her and the autistic retards who thanked her because they lack the ability to pick up contextual nuance have that one. C'est la vie. ;)
I wonder whether it’s Ricky or Icey who can claim to be more rich with “contextual nuance” 🤔
…sirlap, what is your opinions my good sir and man of (troll) letters?
And with respect to their defenses of their contradictions pointed out within this thread, it appears to be a draw. rickdugan abstained from any counterarguments to the quotes you posted by him and icee could not cite a single example of coercion by rickdugan. At this point I can't tell who's richer. 🤷
The women in strip clubs are for real. Its just that the basic strip club mode is to separate marks from their money.
Strippers are more into theatrical porno movie style sex than most civvies will be. So they have a lot to recommend them.
But no, you should not use them to cheat on SO's. I did it, but that was just because I was trying to stay sane while I did what I needed to to end a death trap of a marriage.
SJG
LMFAO san_jose_creep just provided the "contextual nuance" that it's OK to cheat on your SO if it's the only thing that keeps you "sane"... can't make this shit up any better.
😂😂😂
You really need to get some professional help.
It's kinda like thinking it's "normal" to need to use drugs and money to establish a "civie" stripper relationship. 🤣🤣🤣
It's because she has no good answer and was just putting up a strawman argument to rickdugan. It's better for her to redirect the conversation to arguing with twentyfive.
In other words, her attacks at others are simply her projecting her own issues with herself. 🤯
And yeah I think her calling you 20fag is her being extra jealous of your wealth. She's highly materialistic and ties self worth to money. So knowing you as a millionaire is something she's extremely jealous of so she has the most derogatory nickname for you. LOL take it as a compliment. 🤪
And rather than acknowledge that she's an RIL PL trick bitch, she's desperately trying to equate her "dates" with junkie stripper whores to the same thing as truly dating a civie chick. She couldn't be farther from the truth, but in her delusional mind she thinks it's all the same.
All this is evidence of your point.
But this thread hasn't been about dating dancers vs. civvies for quite some time now. And you could make an argument that it was never actually about that, so much as Icee's craving for attention.
Civvies are less likely to be into costumed porno movie grade sex. Civvies are too concerned with strict monogamy. A sexually eclectic girl will not be overly attached to strict monogamy.
SJG
"Anyone knows, women are all the same.
SJG"
A girl this committed to cultivated sex will not be sitting home waiting for the phone to ring.
She will be some sort of stripper, escort, or porn star.
SJG
A girl this committed to cultivated sex will not be sitting home waiting for the phone to ring.
She will be some sort of stripper, escort, or porn star.
SJG"
^^^This contradicts...
"Anyone knows, women are all the same.
SJG"
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Unfortunately many civvies sit home waiting for the phone to ring, instead of being strippers, escorts, or porn stars.
SJG
But also there's similarities.
Got it. 👍
But you should always treat sex workers just as you would any other woman, never act like they are selling sex or that money buys them.
SJG
Civvj vary. Most i know aren't prudes
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Where as one who really places a priority on eclectic sex, she will be fucking more than one guy and the same time, and so she is likely a stripper, escort, or porn star.
SJG
A. RIL PL trick bitch and poser pimp that only knows how to get GFE from junkie stripper whores.
B. Homeless dude that lost his wife and fortunes from excessive clubbing and AMP mongering over 6 years ago and hasn't been with a woman since then.
Yeah running trains can be fun but thats not relationship material.
A person girl or guy can be monogamous and a freak.
But profession doesn't have anything to do with them being open to group sex. In my experience uts usually the repressed girls who go wild
Or just a plain ol' slut. TUSCLers figured out there's sex in the champagne room. Lots of it. But there's still plenty of guys and gals just fucking around for fun.
^^^ @twentyfive that's just mean when you know san_jose_creep hasn't been to first base with a woman since that black stripper at the Market Street Cinema in the 90s. LOL that's the one real world example of him getting to first base with a stripper. It's the foundation of his belief that a front room make out session is the key to dating a stripper.
And icee probably gets to first base often but really how hard is that when she's using drugs to lure a junkie stripper whore into some GFE. Like using prime rib to get a dog to like you. 😂
Well played, good sir.
SirLapDance though is an imbecile.
SJG
A pro can rock your world in ways that a civvie will probably not be able to.
SJG
I am no longer someone who uses pros to cheat on his wife.
And I have never lived like a SirLapdance imbecile.
SJG
I would never live like a Sirlapdance imbecile.
SJG
At least I do not live like a SirLap imbecile.
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But I never bragged about it.
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Most civvies are not used to the idea of a cultivated eroticism. They don't really like the idea of slut uniforms, because they want the relationship to be steered in an approved direction. At core they are approval seekers and parent pleasers.
The Sexual Revolution was led by non-conformists, people who could tell their parents to fuck off. But like all counter culture, if it succeeds, it is absorbed and coopted by the mainstream culture. So it used to be for those who followed the approved path, no sex without marriage. Now, after the sexual revolution has been coopted, it is sex can be used to get marriage.
Okay, but the rules about slut uniforms are going to be very restrictive. Overall they will be wanting to desexualize the relationship. This is just how they think. They have not had many sex partners. They do not like the idea of sex which is not being used to bring about marriage and gain social approval.
If they thought otherwise, then they probably would be strippers, escorts, or porn stars.
SJG
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^^^ Or maybe the relationship was already desexualized. Maybe the civie woman was simply not attracted to her husband anymore. Maybe she knew or even just suspected that he was cheating and that by itself, his cheating, was why she was no longer attracted to him.
Another possibility is that he couldn't get it up with her anymore because he felt guilty for his cheating. Maybe all that guilt for cheating on her with AMP whores made him a limp dick with her, if you will.
These are definitely civie ways of a relationship getting desexualized. His actions could have definitely contributed to it.
I prefer strippers coz I'm so used to them and so many girls I know worked as strippers. It was the next step after high school for them. So I never gave it much thought. We kept the same hours shared the same experiences and values. To this day so many girls I grew up with and their family etc are strippers.
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LMFAO you and icee are imbeciles for trying to make any sort of generalization about them.
They are no different than civie women based on the fact that they are all different anyway. For every generalization you make, you'll find as many exceptions.
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They show that when the pimp Uri sets it up, he over charges and the sessions are brutal.
But when Sere sets it up herself, she undercharges, and the scale can even still be sliding. The sessions tend to be real tender. Tells of a session she got out on the street with a Hispanic man. She came way down in price and it was life changing. He emptied out his pockets of what more money he had.
It says word for work, "She brings out the best in most of the guys she fucks."
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And when they weren't at the club making the linoleum floor get sticking, they were home doing toe curling OTC's.
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I know girls who did it and they'd want to leave the guy as quickly as possible and would take the longest showers and would get high or drunk to cope with it. Hated being touched til they got over what they just did. They did it for fast money. That was it.
Having a woman fuck you because she wants to is a completely different thing. Its a real connection. Sex for money is just renting her body to get off.
I disagree, based on reading their writings, and also in the artistry in their photo albums. These are still ordinary women.
SJG
Does it include tempting a junkie stripper whore to leave the club with you by offering to pay her tip outs and house fees and providing her drug of choice?
What say you, oh "ethical" one? 🤪
^^^ Yeah but when she's a coke whore how do you know she's not just doing it for the coke? It certainly can't be out of the realm of possibility, no?
I don't see how you can separate a real connection from a business relationship with a junkie stripper whore when you are supplying her with drugs and you're giving her $5k just to talk to her. But that said...really good GFE is still a possibility! 🤷
And for the most part as I have found they just love it and open write up when somebody is open and honest with them and treats them like ordinary women.
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They are selling you the fantasy hoping to get paid, dumbass.
I mean maybe she works an office job, or maybe she goes to school, but on the weekends she can get lots of money working at a strip club.
And then guys want to fuck her and to give her money, why should she say no?
Well there are lots of legitimate reasons for having trepidation about sex. But the reason she is refusing is that she wants to see herself as better than the "FSSW" or "High mileage Hoes". She wants to have power by refusing. She is a Sexual Contra, a Sexual Counter Revolutionary.
And sure strip clubs have been Creepy Republicans, Alcoholics, Guys Cheating on their Wives, PSs, and Frat Boys. But it does not have to be this way, we can do better.
You want it, I can fix you up with a Southern Baptist Sunday School Teacher 35yo Virgin.
But for me, nothing like that.
And the law, it only makes it illegal if she is taking in money. Otherwise the law can't do anything about it. That law is a scam, just a way of oppressing those at the bottom and trying to roll back the Sexual Revolution.
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And the hookers I know. Its just about money for them. And of course they'll treat customers well and act like they enjoy their job. Waitresses do it too.
Remember, it's not just about the money when they are junkie addicts.
I know this one PL on TUSCL that thought he had a "GF" for 5 years but alas, he was just a source of coke for his junkie stripper whore. Poor bastard. 😂😂😂
But the high heels and makeup aesthetic, that is the challenge to create that in your personal life.
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And its not black or white...nympho or prude. You learn about each other experiment grow sexually. Every partner is different
SJG
The question is, "Why is she refusing". Is it because she is being offered money, or is it because she does not like the guy, or is it because she wants to be morally superior to the "hookers"?
A member TaxiDrive, in Ohio, posted about a dancer who always refused VIP Room offers. Then she had a fight with her BF. So then he had her in the back room and they finished up with her on her back, an arm locked around his neck, and ramming her tongue into his mouth. She was all go, body taking over, making sure she got his load.
And with the local ones I call, Beloved Latina Escorts, they are just all go. They have gone total bonobo. When they walk in and see a room full of guys, their inclination is to fuck all of them. And one of them would do it too, except that there will be other women of their group joining in, so it is the guys who are the limit.
We have had lots of totally "off the hook" girls coming from SF Market St. Cinema. And we have some who will rent a hotel room in their own name and try to vector in as many guys as possible via the cell phone, in one night.
But the fastest was at our underground club which was doing FR Full Service. Nothing goes faster or in higher volume than that.
And at Swingers Clubs it can get just as extreme.
https://clubkiss.us/sessions/new
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You get civvies who like trains being run on them and hookers who hate men coz of their jobs.
And yes, some women like trains being run on them. There was an Adult Social Club where this was the norm on Thursday nights.
All I am saying is that unless a girl is a Sexual Contra, still committed to approval seeking and parent pleasing, she probably will not refuse any of this.
I guess you could meet such an off the hook girl in the super market checkout line, but the chances are higher at a UHM strip club, and the most off the hook you can find.
Some of our most extreme girls were part of a Latina core group. But a lot of the others were Market St. Cinema alumni, which some have described as an "orgy club".
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Night In Tunisia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xncznvkB…
Chaka Khan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyzrlndL…
In fact, in my own experience, most of them can be gotten to quite easily. They need money because everybody needs money. I think men would be able to live without money easier than women would be able to.
The idea is to get them off script as quickly as possible, and then to be generous with them, take care of them, get them accustomed to getting Mistress Maintenance from you.
There is really no reason to be tight with them, no benefit in this.
You want to get under their skin. Pick the one you want and make it happen with her. She will be much better than a civvie because of her sexual experience.
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LMFAO both you knuckleheads are still just paying for GFE. The way you pay them is just for your own psyches coz you don't wanna admit you have to pay a hooker for sex.
It's not really about them. 🤣🤣🤣
This is just the way it seems to work.
But women who present themselves in a P4P mode are still under the surface ordinary women. In the vast majority of situations they can be gotten to quite easily.
So pick the one you want, the one you actually want to put time and money into. And only go after them if you like them more than civvies, because of their sexual experience and the artistry they bring to sex.
You SirLapDance, are the one who is paying for nonsense, simply because you can't admit to yourself that you need either a Marriage Counselor or a Divorce Lawyer.
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Steppenwolf - Magic Carpet Ride (Version 1969)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPE9a_ep…
I don't care and don't want sex with a stripper.
And I have an awesome marriage with my wife, who knows I go to strip clubs. She's known the entire 20+ years of our marriage. So no, no divorce lawyer or counselor needed. But nice try at a strawman argument.
So go on and keep trying to convince yourself that those stripper whores don't just want your money. They'll take it because that's what they expect from a trick. And they'll pretend to be a civie "girlfriend" for you in the process. 🤣🤣🤣
^^^ LMAO @icee yeah in your case you have to find a coke addict whore and give her coke AND a lot of money.
So you give money and drugs differently than others. You're still paying a whore for GFE in the process.
But I guess your way helps you sleep at night. 🤣🤣🤣
^^^ LOL in other words, pay them for OTC. 😂😂😂
I'm amazed at the lengths they go. Highly entertaining. 😂
^^^ civvie role playing
Lulz
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And I know all of us here on TUSCL are PLs.
Also I think in your case you went to see AMP whores behind your wife's back, again unlike me. 🤪
Yeah, SirLap, I was a PL, but I knew I was a PL. That's the difference between you and me.
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And FYI right above your post I already posted:
"And I know all of us here on TUSCL are PLs."
^^^ you're such a dumbass you don't realize that in this statement I'm already saying that I know I'm a PL. It's encompassed in the statement "all of us here on TUSCL". This means you, me, icee, and everyone else with a TUSCL account is a PL.
The difference between you and me is that you lack basic reading comprehension skills, dumbass. Oh, and I'm not homeless posting from a San Jose public library.
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With a civvie though it will go very different. You have to start with just Charm. Then eventually it will be Jizm, but there can be a delay. And then eventually you will be handing her Money, but that could take quite a while. And then in the interim you will be expected to spend money on her. Handing her money is how she pays her bills. It is very practical. But spending money on her is completely wasteful.
And then your civvie is a civvie for a reason. She is still looking for social approval. She will not be comfortable with a porno movie style of cultivated sex.
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Knock on Wood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qURD_lt…
^^^san_jose_creep this right here proves you are loony or at the very least you have poor reading comprehension skills.
Whether you hand her money for her bills or you are spending money on her, it's the same fucking thing. That money you spend on her could easily go to her bills too. So it doesn't matter. In the end you are still giving money to a sex worker for GFE. All you and icee do is play mental gymnastics that you aren't paying hookers for sex and GFE. Spoiler alert: if she's a sex worker and you are giving her money, it's a business transaction.
The fact that you cannot equate what is, for all intents and purposes, the same thing, is proof to me that something isn't right in your head.
A woman dancing in a strip club, or working in an AMP, can only be there because she knows she will be getting money. So giving her some is simply a show of respect, and of caring.
In a civvie situation you have to spend time to get to know her first, before you can just hand her money. You might end up spending money to take her places. Then maybe you can take her shopping. But in a Strip Club or an AMP, you can convey money to her as soon as you get within arm's reach of her.
Women are women, but there are different situations. With the strip club or the AMP, if you want it, things can happen explosively fast.
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And in a strip club or AMP of course things happen explosively fast. It's just good business for a stripper to close her business deals ASAP.
And LMAO that you think this is anything close to civie women relationships. At best you get a sugar daddy relationship which is still far removed from a civie one.
Not everybody feels the way you do.
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The White Stripes - Seven Nation Army (Official Music Video) complete with the faked bass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J2QdDbe…
It's simply YOU that feels the way you do and are unable to relate to others that see things differently. And then you take it farther and make false assumptions and strawman arguments based on your lack of comprehension of another viewpoint.
As stated, you have piss poor reading comprehension skills.
And as far as staying the fuck away from sex workers, it's so good (for them) that you can't afford to go to them anymore and that you are forced to stay away. I can put imagine how much you would creep any woman out with all your delusional views that are based on conjecture from limited real world experience.
And you think it is the prerogative of privileged guys like you to be serviced by them, to play it both ways.
And then of course women don't get to do anything like this, it is only for men. It is the basis of patriarchy.
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You seem to think that a sex worker woman wants something beyond a business transaction.
Again, it's simply your conjecture based on extremely limited real world experience. You really have no clue about women and all you do is blather on TUSCL like you do.
When was the last time you actually interacted with a woman sexually? Back in 2015-2016 when you were stalking AMP whores? Isn't all your "expertise" since then based on solely reading about how to interact with a woman? You're nothing but a poser with no real experience. 😁
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All you do is type. And that for sure leads to sexual frustration.
Your deflection and lack of response on the last time you had a real world sexual encounter with a woman speaks volumes. 🤪
Keep typing keyboard cowboy. It's all you got.
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You can only criticize how others have their fun with women because you're not doing anything yourself with them.
So keep typing while others are having fun the way they want. 🤪
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Joe Bonamassa Official - "I'll Play The Blues For You" - Live At The Greek Theatre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoX0Olfq…
You can only criticize how others have their fun with women because you're not doing anything yourself with them.
So keep typing while others are having fun the way they want. 🤪. (that's you!)
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So keep typing while others are having fun the way they want. 🤪. (that's you!)
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And typing and typing and typing.
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
(While everyone else on TUSCL is having fun their way with strippers!)
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All evidenced over the last several posts by him in this thread.
Bacon!!
I don't even really like the idea of dating either.
Fucking, sexual relationship.
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So the price she will expect you to pay is to live the same way, by the morality of approval seeking. And very likely this will eventually come to shut out the sex.
So you want a sexual radical, not a contra.
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Heart - "Barracuda" (1977)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeMvMNpv…
at Cal Jam 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QkmmDvk…
Robin Trower live 2005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wkkscG0…
Or, maybe you simply couldn't get it up with her. Maybe you were too busy getting off with AMP whores that when it came to sex with the wife you simply couldn't perform.
Plus, who knows if she did or didn't have some side sex with other dudes? Maybe she has guys giving her money and she's fucking them instead of you.
All hypothetically speaking of course.
And I have NEVER suggested that married men should have anything to do with AMPs or Strip Clubs. Even men with a GF should remain faithful.
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The Honey Cone - Want Ads ( Live ) (well sort of live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxMArJ2N…
Midnight Special-LaBelle "Lady Marmalade" (this really is live, they make a tempo speed up right at the start, and they've lightened up on instrument voicing. They often did stuff like this to let people know that it is live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBtLClr_…
@san_jose_dumbass I NEVER suggested that you suggested this. Reread my post, dumbass. I was talking about HER perspective, not YOURS.
You said:
"And if she went for this, eventually she would probably also be going with guys who are offering her money, or she would get into venues like strip clubs or the like. But she isn't, why isn't she?"
I simply gave three alternative answers to yours which was, in short, she was looking for social approval. LOL you don't know this for a fact. She could have easily just fallen out of love and attraction for you.
Fuck dude, work on your reading comprehension and strawman arguments. And BTW stop taking it personal. I said 'hypothetically speaking' too.
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Voulez-vous coucher avec moi, ce soir?
http://jhampton.pbworks.com/w/file/fetch…
BLANCHE:
Voutez-vous coucher avec moi ce soir? Vous ne comprenez pas? Ah, auelle dommage!--I mean
it's a damned good thing.... I've found some liquor. Just enough for two shots without any
dividends, honey...
Yes! The reason is she might have a problem with you and find you completely unattractive. You might not be pleasing her in bed. It is as simple as that.
SirLap, you have IGNORE and THREAD IGNORE. All you are doing is trying to pull the conversation down to your zombie level.
Do we know what SirLap looks like?
I think he is the imspiration for Homer Simpson.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e…
Lenny Kravitz, American Woman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzWHE32I…
Why are you so sensitive and butthurt about my alternative opinions to yours? Settle down, Karen. 🤪
Otherwise consider the alternative:
2800 deg F
https://llfurnace.com/series/gf/
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Jimmy Hendrix Sweden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKhG6Ll8…
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And so unless they are independently wealthy, living of royalties from their novels, or adolescents living with their parents, they expect to get a social boost from the men the fuck.
So the Civvie vs Pro Dichotomy has no basis, its just letting things play out in a different way.
And those who do P4P type service are for the most part instantly civilianizable. Now making things work with them after that, that is a different story.
Great movie
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062137/
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Miles Davis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xoVlLYY…
Mexico City
http://doxyspotting.com/?p=70423
http://doxyspotting.com/doubleshot-for-t…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TGxdGcN…
So before she is Queen, she is at a palace wedding reception, in the courtyard, and there is lots of sexual energy. Then they show a friend say to her, "Lets go out tonight".
We don't know what she means. Today if I heard two girls say that, I would assume a civvie night club. But then, and for royalty?
So next we see them, having dressed the part, but wearing facial masks. They are out on the sidewalk in the area used for street prositution.
They a guy runs into them, having just gotten back from the war with the Protestants, and they had ambushed him and robbed him. He is grateful to still be alive.
So Margot immediately says to him, "Well then I'm free for you tonight."
Now they don't have automobiles or motels, and this is not an exclusive brothel. So it will be up against the wall in an alley. Used to have a video clip of this.
See, his story gives her the chance to waive her fee. She is not really interested in getting money off of commoners.
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That would totally freak them out. "Who are you, why are you doing this, who put you up to this?"
They won't understand her motives, and the vast majority of guys really are terrified of women.
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And when you're with a girl sex just happens. Money isn't mentioned.
Yes, if a woman talks about being paid for sex, then she is presenting as a prostitute. But to say that that makes her a prostitute is another entirely different thing.
Is Princess Margot really a prostitute, or is she just having an adventure? To most of the guys she encounters, she does not step out of character. But the money she gets off of commoners is insignificant. And so does that somehow make her different from other women? I do not think so.
At a traditional swingers club there will never be money for sex. But some have deviated from this, allowing women who get paid by the guy who brings them. Probably these women are doing offsite P4P gigs. And then there is evidence that there are other clubs where there is money.
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The White Stripes - Jolene. Glastonbury 2002. 4/14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX8piT5l…
And yeah I said that before. Prostitution occurs in swingers settings but it's not the norm nor tolerated by party or club organizers. If it is supported then it's just an illegal brothel.
I've never thought much of Dennis Hof. I didn't like the fact that he titled his book in a way which echoes Donald Trump's book. But Juice read Hof's book. In an interview I read Hof say one thing which did intrigue me. Hof says that he, "only dates prostitutes".
This gave me much cause to reflect.
I mean for one thing, Hof had his houses, I think 8 of them. I'm sure he had at least one favorite at each of them. And then he has so much money that giving them some is not important. So he can travel about and then bed down with which ever he wants. I'm sure they can dress for him as he likes. I think he was living a fantastic life.
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Wichita is the Air Capital of the World. So if you wanted to ascend in a fiery chariot, The Chariot, like a B-29 or a B-52, then that would be the place. Never seen anyone else who reads this that way. Wichita is the most specific reference in the entire song. And then, I cannot stand the Salvation Army and the sort of thinking it promotes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J2QdDbe…
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If its what you prefer it's what you prefer.
Why do you keep holding to the position that it is somehow different.
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Humble Pie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gWqrP30…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4a8AfR8…
The White Stripes - Seven Nation Army (Official Music Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J2QdDbe…
LMAO she'd probably tell you that you were soulmates just to get her next fix lulz. 😂😂😂
Well I do not do anything like that, ever. I have not contact with drugs.
Do you want monogamy? It is still available. The girl who can make you the most credible offer of monogamy is the one who has had the least prior sex partners.
What do you want your girl to be doing when she is not with you? Do you want her to be a Bag Lady? Walmarts, Uber, Lyft, Instacart?
Do you want her to be studying for her Real Estate License, or for her Security Broker's License, so that she can be an Apostle of Wealth Creation?
Women want to be able to pay their bills.
I have been much with monogamy girls. Now I see that there is a fundamental problem with them. They live for external approval.
I have always like the kind who are not like this.
Veruca Salt - Volcano Girls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyVSKydU…
I know a guy (reasonably well off) who was married about 8 years and figured out it would have been noticeably cheaper to have hired pros for sex then the cost he ultimately paid…
As for dating dancers…. I have a buddy that when we were younger dated a couple dancers. One he met in the club and a couple others he met though various folks that he knew who were connected to the clubs. But invariably the dancers were all horrible at managing money and burned through cash like it was water. They were always asking favors of him and anyone else they thought they could use. I avoided going out with one dancer who wanted to because she was always hitting up everyone for favors and or so called loans. I figured that even though she was a hot gorgeous spinner. It would ultimately be cheaper to just pay someone and not have to deal with the Bagage was a bounus.
That being said a couple other friends had relationships that were pretty much just as bad. So I don’t think the issue is being a dancer make them bad people or bad partners but that a lot of women that have qualities that are undesirable in a partner get into dancing. If you understand what I am saying.
But that is the opinion of MeNotYou.
Intolerance 1916, pre-Hays Office
https://youtu.be/SyqDQnoXa70?t=2481
I like women who dress and paint up slutty, women who are slutty, women who fuck a lot of guys.
What they ask for as payment is just a social token.
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And dating promiscuous girls who like looking slutty is easy. But when it's p4p it's a different dynamic.
^^^ that's only because you don't wanna admit that's exactly why they wanna GFE you.
It's all part of your fantasy that you're not paying. 😂😂😂
...Its in your best interest to take control of her drug use from the start. Make sure she does the minimum to get fucked up."
^^^ @icee these are your own quotes. Spoiler alert, when she's a junkie stripper whore, she'll give you the best GFE for the drugs that you know she likes. 🤣🤣🤣
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want or expect. But so many gorgeous girls are with bums. But will fuck on the side if a guy has clout or money.
Girls who fuck in exchange for money are hookers and only a small percentage of women are.
But you can easily break on a slut and turn her into a hoe....
I am only saying that the girls who fuck the most have the best attitude.
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A hooker will have a good attitude with you. She wants repeat business.
AMPs, Street, Dance Hostesses, Our local strip clubs.
Of the upscale San Francisco strip clubs, there are a lot of lesbians. And there are a few who think that they are better than most guys. But the rest of them are ready for immediate civilianization.
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Far preferable to be engaging with.
The civvie by comparison is neurotic.
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A hooker will have a good attitude with you. She wants repeat business."
^^^ yeah icee totally agree.
And when she's a junkie coke whore stripper she might even give you 5 years of good GFE, maybe even call you a "soulmate" as long as you are a good and steady supply of coke.
But then when you try to control her coke use, she might take issue with that and dump you for a better source of it.
Sound familiar? You talk from experience my nigga. Lulz!
I like it when women are competing with each other for male attention. I like it when they are slutty. Civvies are usually not like this, instead they seek approval from other women.
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TJ Street
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=1132
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=2305
Pleaser 10"
https://pleasershoes.com/collections/ple…
https://pleasershoes.com/products/beyond…
Ladies, do you think 9" and 10" are okay? If you say yes, then should they introduce 11" and 12"?
I'd Love to Change the World - Alvin Lee & Ten Years After
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSYFJB7o…
Pros like guys and want the same things as civvies, they are just more unrestrained in going for it.
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Joe Cocker - With A Little Help From My Friends (Live)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpwabPQW…
Hookers are only like that when working
Civvies want to compete by playing hard to get and by getting approval from other women. Civvies just don't have it.
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If you're a hookers customer yeah she'll always act slutty for you as long as the money keeps coming in.
But thanks to hip hop glorifying nothing but money and the influence of people like saweetie and Megan thee stallion the city girls etc you get a lot of civvie hoe hybrids. Ghetto girls who will pretend to be very uppity and hard to get but who "don't fuck for free" ....
Our Beloved Latina Escorts are much better.
You seem down on sex workers. Is an elite college girl who does party hook ups for free, better, and just because she does not take money? Generally at an elite college she has her bills already paid for her.
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One is with you because she wants to. The other only because you pay her.
More could happen, but most of the time it doesn't.
For one thing there are laws against public sex and lewdness, and it applies to the entire premises, and to the bath rooms. And then it is understood to be a place where they cannot collect money. So they dress and conduct themselves to win the approval of other women.
Maybe that is all that is available, in some situations.
But we have had better. At one of our underground places girls were doing front room FS.
They dressed and painted up to compete with other women as to who could ride the most cock.
So it is totally different.
And they would be there after, at a bar, counting their money together. And they do all the OTC they can get. These girls are awesome!
It was mostly a core group of Latinas, and then more who usually were Market St. Cinema alumni. These women were a real trip. Just spending any time with them, they made you feel like a king.
I don't see that fact that they are collecting money to be of any significance. I see it as back end insurance. That is, most guys will not keep seeing them very long. If you want to, if you want to get one of them off of the clock, that is not impossible.
Like written in a book about Mexico, one of them might say, "Okay cabrone(cuckold) marry me right now."
If you just let things play out, she will likely go where ever you lead her.
But mistresses do cost money, and wives cost vastly more money.
These pros, in their demeanor and manner of dress and paint up, they are much more fun than civvies.
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But "building wealth" is really just a head trip, trying to get people to sell themselves out.
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