Those dancers that just sit with regulars "not making any money"
goldmongerATL
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I was sitting with a girl I know well and talking about how dead the club was. She said not many dancers showed up to work. She added "and half of them are sitting with those two guys over there" I looked over and "half" was an exaggeration, but these two guys had 7 girls at their two tables including the best 3 or 4 in the club. This club has a few 8's. Four of them at that table. I had noticed them before. There was no dancing, just drinking and partying.
I commented that I can never understand why girls just hang with regulars that are not spending money on them. My girl began to school me. She said it may look like girls sit with guys and don't make money, but no stripper is going to spend time with a guy that is not going to give them money. "That would be just stupid"
She said the guy funding the party owned a chain of restaurants and a shopping center. He brings his friends and business contacts with him. She said he stays 4-5 hours and those girls at his table will make $1000-$1500 each. He usually spends over $5,000 and as much as $10,000 on a visit.
When it gets late in the shift, the whole group will retire to VIP for a fuck fest (her words).
At one point a third guy came in and joined them. After a couple of minutes the head guy said something to one of the girls and she and another girl grabbed his arm and led him to VIP. The girl I was with said he sometimes has guys meet him there to get them laid and he tells girls to go take care of them. It just part of earning that big money at the end of the night.
She pointed out another guy that has had a dancer I wanted to meet tied up for at least the previous hour. She said that guy always spends a couple of hours drinking and partying with a girl before he does a VIP. He might get a few table dances but mostly just hanging out. But, he will pay about $600 or more for his hour in VIP.
If the numbers are true, the dancers in question are making $200-300 an hour for an easy few hours or a shift. or they could hustle the floor and at best make the same money working their asses (and other things) off.
So the next time you get frustrated that a whale won't let go of the dancer you want to spend $50 on, remember she may already know that her whole night's paycheck is that fat bald guy she is drinking with.
I commented that I can never understand why girls just hang with regulars that are not spending money on them. My girl began to school me. She said it may look like girls sit with guys and don't make money, but no stripper is going to spend time with a guy that is not going to give them money. "That would be just stupid"
She said the guy funding the party owned a chain of restaurants and a shopping center. He brings his friends and business contacts with him. She said he stays 4-5 hours and those girls at his table will make $1000-$1500 each. He usually spends over $5,000 and as much as $10,000 on a visit.
When it gets late in the shift, the whole group will retire to VIP for a fuck fest (her words).
At one point a third guy came in and joined them. After a couple of minutes the head guy said something to one of the girls and she and another girl grabbed his arm and led him to VIP. The girl I was with said he sometimes has guys meet him there to get them laid and he tells girls to go take care of them. It just part of earning that big money at the end of the night.
She pointed out another guy that has had a dancer I wanted to meet tied up for at least the previous hour. She said that guy always spends a couple of hours drinking and partying with a girl before he does a VIP. He might get a few table dances but mostly just hanging out. But, he will pay about $600 or more for his hour in VIP.
If the numbers are true, the dancers in question are making $200-300 an hour for an easy few hours or a shift. or they could hustle the floor and at best make the same money working their asses (and other things) off.
So the next time you get frustrated that a whale won't let go of the dancer you want to spend $50 on, remember she may already know that her whole night's paycheck is that fat bald guy she is drinking with.
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I will stick next to the people I know who come in with lots of money but try to give my regulars at least a little attention here and there.
I like it most when the people that have cash are actually genuinely a great time to be around though.
How to interpret the situation does depend upon the club. It has to be an upscale enough club that would be suitable for a guy with thousands to spend to sit and party. Having VIP rooms of course helps the girls earn that money.
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got it now @skibum
Guilty of tying those girls up a lot. I do pay them if they sit with me ($20 per 30 minutes at $10a pop every 10 minutes) and I buy them drinks. Sometimes (hell, most of the time), I wind up in VIP with them.
Dancers tinkering with their phone, on the other hand...
I will always remember my first LDK experience years ago because the dancer I had hoped to dance with was always tied up (was a very busy Sat night) - so after a while I gave up and paid more attention to some of the other dancers working that night - Glad I did because then I hit it off really well with this other dancer and the experience might not have occurred if I had just kept trying to go after my first target.
I do think overall that goldmonger's story is representative. Maybe not in the $$$ numbers, which are shockingly high, but in their general spirit -- the girls are not as stupid or lazy as some PLs make them out to be, and if the girls are sitting with some guys and you can't figure out why, chances are you're the idiot, not them. Just because I don't see them exchanging money, doesn't mean they won't be doing so.
On the other hand, it's also true that sometimes, the girls just sit with some guys because they guys are fun and buying drinks, and they (the girls) otherwise aren't getting any success. My last time at SR in San Jose, we ordered bottle service and my buddy had locked down a super hot dancer. I pointed another girl out to that dancer and she says, "she's my friend! She's just hanging out with those guys because no one else wanted dances. Let me go get her". You can't tell why a stripper is hanging out with a bunch of guys; probably always worth at least meeting her when she goes to stage, or asking another stripper at the table about her, just to see if she isn't settling in with club furniture because she hasn't had any luck
Just a reminder you don't have to be a whale to lock down some bad bitches. I've never spent whale money -- although occasionally when all my buddies get dances with my ATF it starts to add up to whale money. Just be a regular who spends decently, and make an appointment, and that's all it takes. If she's some stripper who you have to have so badly that your entire trip is ruined if she's not available to you, even non-whales can easily find a way to make it worth a stripper's time to hang out with you.
There's also intangibles that we as PLs don't always think about. For many less-experienced, non-jaded strippers, dealing with customers is not a zero-emotional-investment effort, the way it would be if you were selling something like candy bars. Picture heaving at the club at 1pm-4pm, and 4pm is when her whale and/or the general rush starts (this is very typical for dayshift). Maybe -- MAYBE -- she could go full-hustle and earn more by 4pm. But if she's irritated, angry, and emotionally exhausted from dealing with rude customers, fighting off fingers groping for her wholes, getting told "no" a *lot* (and not always in the nicest way), "time wasters" who imply they'll tip her but don't, etc... how is it a win to already be irritated and exhausted just as the real money walks in at 4pm? It makes no sense at all. I 100% understand why my CFs highly value their regulars during the slow times, even if they could make more by hustling. That's what many of these guys don't understand -- maybe she'll make an extra $40 with you, but it's not worth sacrificing her weekly comfortable slow-period $200 with her regular. Marginal extra revenue is more important to the more jaded and experienced girls, who are exactly who I'm happy to pass up
If most dancers can schedule 2 or 3 regulars in a shift at $200-300 per customer, they’ll fill the rest of their time as enjoyably as they can.
I think that most PLs understand how this works. it's just a minority that have never learned to accept that a girl is not a rationed bag of rice or beans, Any guy who resents me when I'm the one guilty of it can is welcome to step up and entice her away. If he can't do that, then he can kiss my ass.
I had something like this happen just last night. I was tipping my new friend barside and also tipping her well on stage. We had also begun the dance re: potential OTC. So in a slow club on a Sunday night with few decent prospects, you can bet she stayed close.
When another guy, who had been eye fucking her for an hour from across the bar, approached her on stage and asked if she was available, she had some calculus to do. Would she risk losing a potential good payout if she disappeared? She knew that there were a couple of other hungry girls waiting for their shot (I'm known in this club). Could she risk leaving me alone for what might only be a one and done?
As an aside, it probably didn't help that he looked weird and creepily intense. That surely made the decision much easier for her.
In the end she made the right choice and blew him off. Not long after, I took her off the roster completely and out of the club. Fuck him and anyone else who thought that they were entitled to her like she was communal property.
I had already taken her to VIP and was still spending a little bit. She told me that everyone there was either not spending, creepy, or someone’s attached regular. She was watching for good candidates but was happy hanging out with me. We were both having a good time and frankly it wasn’t anyone else’s business. If the guy who confronted me spent 100 bucks it was on beer and he had one and done a couple girls who would have been pretty good company.
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ldk, is it possible that his usual M.O is just to sit with her for 20 minutes, so she really thought she'd get to you, but he just stayed longer? Answer to that question, BTW, is DEFINITELY "yes". It's also possibly she wasn't thinking and wanted you locked up just in case, which is stupid. But her priority should be her regular, if he's a regular, rather than a drive-by LDKer; faced with him changing his usual behavior, she definitely did the smart thing by sticking with him.
I've sometimes been in that situation where I hadn't made an appointment because she wasn't on my list yet, but usually she'll at least come by my table or text me "I don't think he's leaving, sorry!". For me, that's a huge thumbs-up for her -- thumbs up for sticking with her regular (I want to earn the same treatment), thumbs up for letting me know
You don't know what is going on with women. Just have to lay back and let it play out.
SJG
It's not her job to manage your time or expectations for you. Maybe she wasn't sure, who knows? Next time consider setting a limit on how long you're willing to wait before moving to another option.
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The she taught me a valuable lesson. She turned around and gave a huge smile to this guy, blew him a kiss and held up a finger like just a minute. I was looking in the mirror when she did it and it was totally genuine.
Totally fake. Of course if she can do it to him she can do it to me. Lesson learned.
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So there's a couple of clubs I go to now where I can spot some of the big spenders and the club furniture customers. There's the guys that really want to be seen with "their" girls that all the others guys want. Then there's all the other times those same girls are hustling just like the plain janes, and guys are getting essentially the same treatment for a helluva lot less. Having your fun at the expense of other customers is a little petty.
Even "appointment" dancers can get snagged if it she sees something interesting in it for her. This isn't some grand mystery to solve. It's supposed to be fun for goodness sake.
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WCG
I disagree. If a guy is so pathetic that he sits there fixated and endlessly staring, then he deserves every bit of derision and ridicule that he gets. Every so often I do the same as gmd and sometimes more. Think my little wink emoticons are irritating on here? Imagine getting it live across the bar from the cocky asshole who has the love of your strip club life on lockdown. 😉
@Winning, my bad. Carry on. :)
WCG
So let me explain it as one would to the child who did not know to ask:
A Patriots hater should be happy right now. The guy who was winked at by the cocky a-hole who is locking down the object of his desire is probably pretty unhappy.
Seemed fitting to use this backdrop as Shabbos comes to a close (not that the day means anything to you anyway). 😉
Lap dance money, even if unlawful, it is supposed to be taxed.
Better if we could go to UBI.
SJG
But you got caught up in the packaging and ignored the point therein. The son who did not know to ask indeed. 😉
>25, me a bigot? I have nothing but great respect for devout Jews <
Really why is it every time any statement is made that you don't like, my ethnicity is where you go first, you are really a bigoted cocksucker, and a really dumbass motherfucker.
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You also know that the only time I give you that type of grief is when you decide to get your troll on. Well, you know what they say, once a train gets derailed there's no telling where it will end up.
And RickiBoi no body is applauding your comments, what you hear is the sound of one hand clapping
You're coming apart now with all that name calling and goofy troll post regurgitation. It"s a sign of hypersensitivity and deep emotional weakness, not that those traits are any surprise given everything we know about you.
Now I am imperfect for sure, but you are truly one messed up individual with twisted sympathies and life priorities. Maybe your neglect of your kid's cultural education was a good thing given where your sympathies lie.
As far as VM is concerned, I have never read more disturbing posts from a grown man on any site ever, I hope he rots in He'll and that anyone here who shares his proclivities joins him. I'd piss on the fucker's grave if I knew where it was.
Good one RicklBoi, did you burst into flames, still looking to learn about my culture from a church going man that hide his self promotional whore mongering, on Sundays, and pretends to be a god fearing family member, bet your daughters see right through your hypocrisy, Pretty sure your wife is just in denial.
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