Those dancers that just sit with regulars "not making any money"

1/26/2020 7:03:40 PM

I was sitting with a girl I know well and talking about how dead the club was. She said not many dancers showed up to work. She added "and half of them are sitting with those two guys over there" I looked over and "half" was an exaggeration, but these two guys had 7 girls at their two tables including the best 3 or 4 in the club. This club has a few 8's. Four of them at that table. I had noticed them before. There was no dancing, just drinking and partying.

I commented that I can never understand why girls just hang with regulars that are not spending money on them. My girl began to school me. She said it may look like girls sit with guys and don't make money, but no stripper is going to spend time with a guy that is not going to give them money. "That would be just stupid"

She said the guy funding the party owned a chain of restaurants and a shopping center. He brings his friends and business contacts with him. She said he stays 4-5 hours and those girls at his table will make $1000-$1500 each. He usually spends over $5,000 and as much as $10,000 on a visit.
When it gets late in the shift, the whole group will retire to VIP for a fuck fest (her words).

At one point a third guy came in and joined them. After a couple of minutes the head guy said something to one of the girls and she and another girl grabbed his arm and led him to VIP. The girl I was with said he sometimes has guys meet him there to get them laid and he tells girls to go take care of them. It just part of earning that big money at the end of the night.

She pointed out another guy that has had a dancer I wanted to meet tied up for at least the previous hour. She said that guy always spends a couple of hours drinking and partying with a girl before he does a VIP. He might get a few table dances but mostly just hanging out. But, he will pay about $600 or more for his hour in VIP.

If the numbers are true, the dancers in question are making $200-300 an hour for an easy few hours or a shift. or they could hustle the floor and at best make the same money working their asses (and other things) off.

So the next time you get frustrated that a whale won't let go of the dancer you want to spend $50 on, remember she may already know that her whole night's paycheck is that fat bald guy she is drinking with.

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mjx01

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5 years ago

Interesting and insightful. FWIW, I was sorta wondering if this was the M.O. in some/many places. I'd argue it's more evidence of the value of being a known entity (assuming known in a good way of course).

Phoenix133

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5 years ago

Yep I have a few regular customers like this (Though not to that extent of cash)

I will stick next to the people I know who come in with lots of money but try to give my regulars at least a little attention here and there.

I like it most when the people that have cash are actually genuinely a great time to be around though.

Papi_Chulo

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5 years ago

That's a no-brainer that the girl is getting taken care of well, or well enough, for her to not to move one ass-cheek from his table - I think most PLs that are upset are not upset at the girl, but the PL hogging up a dancer for hours-on-end - but we've been down the discussion-road b/f that's just resulted in a stalemate

shadowcat

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5 years ago

Whenever I see several girls hanging out at a table with a guy who isn't spending any money on them, I suspect that he is a drug dealer.

goldmongerATL

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5 years ago

Well, this was Oasis not Follies :-).

How to interpret the situation does depend upon the club. It has to be an upscale enough club that would be suitable for a guy with thousands to spend to sit and party. Having VIP rooms of course helps the girls earn that money.

Papi_Chulo

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5 years ago

There are guys in certain clubs that lock up girls for $100 or $200 bc it's sure consistent $ for the dancer

jackslash

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5 years ago

When I was becoming a strip club regular (13 or 14 years ago), I liked a certain blonde dancer and always spent money on her when she was in the club. One day I tipped her on stage, but when she got off she went straight to a fat guy sitting in a booth across the room. Later I tipped her again, but the same thing happened. When I tipped her a third time and asked her why she hadn't come to see me, she told me that the fat guy always spent $1500 to $2000 on her and did not want her to dance for anybody else. She was making a good business decision.

twentyfive

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5 years ago

"We have had this conversation numerous times, and it usually ends in a stalemate," yes Papi it does but it's still ironic that the guy's complaining the loudest are generally the guys that are so against socialism, yet they seem to think that the women in these clubs are community property, this shows you that they aren't, (community property) and mostly can decide their own self interest, very well.

skibum609

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5 years ago

If the dancers were socialists they'd make shitty money and the governbment workers would treat them like shit. Socialists just use people and blame others. By the way community property is communism.

Jascoi

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5 years ago

I guess then that I am (and a few others) are just socialists .

twentyfive

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5 years ago

^ Socialism relies on community property same as communism here is the difference according to the U.S. governments school of humanities and politics at American University
>The main difference is that under communism, most property and economic resources are owned and controlled by the state (rather than individual citizens); by contrast, under socialism, all citizens share equally in all economic resources as allocated by a democratically-elected government.<
got it now @skibum

Nidan111

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5 years ago

Oooooo. I’m DEFINITELY NOT a socialist, but the though of legalization of prostitution and legalization of strippers fucking clients, then equal hotties to be dished out to this PL may just change my view.

Nidan111

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5 years ago

I am a realist. When I see dancers who are all tied up with other PLs, my first thought is that that PL is either/or spending money on her, is a boyfriend, is a SD, is a pimp, or just a fun person for her to be with. None of my concerns. There are usually other girls to play with. I am
Guilty of tying those girls up a lot. I do pay them if they sit with me ($20 per 30 minutes at $10a pop every 10 minutes) and I buy them drinks. Sometimes (hell, most of the time), I wind up in VIP with them.

Nidan111

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5 years ago

^^^^ oh, and I am nobody’s regular and I have no regulars.

Call.Me.Ishmael

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5 years ago

With rare exceptions, I've always assumed that dancers who camp with regulars make money somehow eventually.

Dancers tinkering with their phone, on the other hand...

BocaOnt2019

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5 years ago

It is always interesting to see the discussion from both sides. I definitely agree it can be frustrating to see a dancer you are interested in spending time with, busy with another customer for hours, but I do try to see the silver lining(s). Firstly that frees one to explore other options and secondly that there are no other options worth exploring then you're saving it for the next time.

I will always remember my first LDK experience years ago because the dancer I had hoped to dance with was always tied up (was a very busy Sat night) - so after a while I gave up and paid more attention to some of the other dancers working that night - Glad I did because then I hit it off really well with this other dancer and the experience might not have occurred if I had just kept trying to go after my first target.

Subraman

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5 years ago

Yeah, overall, as Papi said, we've had this argument a lot of times, always fun, but not going to change anyone's mind about anything, as far as whether the girls or the lockers or the jealous-ers, or anyone at all, have a right to be irritated.

I do think overall that goldmonger's story is representative. Maybe not in the $$$ numbers, which are shockingly high, but in their general spirit -- the girls are not as stupid or lazy as some PLs make them out to be, and if the girls are sitting with some guys and you can't figure out why, chances are you're the idiot, not them. Just because I don't see them exchanging money, doesn't mean they won't be doing so.

On the other hand, it's also true that sometimes, the girls just sit with some guys because they guys are fun and buying drinks, and they (the girls) otherwise aren't getting any success. My last time at SR in San Jose, we ordered bottle service and my buddy had locked down a super hot dancer. I pointed another girl out to that dancer and she says, "she's my friend! She's just hanging out with those guys because no one else wanted dances. Let me go get her". You can't tell why a stripper is hanging out with a bunch of guys; probably always worth at least meeting her when she goes to stage, or asking another stripper at the table about her, just to see if she isn't settling in with club furniture because she hasn't had any luck

PrimetimeSchein

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5 years ago

I've been on both sides of the aisle as the PL pissed because I wanted some of that action and as the whale holding down some bad bitches having a good time. I will say the satisfaction after numerous guys tip her and she comes back to your table is pretty fucking nice. But I just chalk it up to the game ain't shit personal

Subraman

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5 years ago

-->"as the whale holding down some bad bitches having a good time."

Just a reminder you don't have to be a whale to lock down some bad bitches. I've never spent whale money -- although occasionally when all my buddies get dances with my ATF it starts to add up to whale money. Just be a regular who spends decently, and make an appointment, and that's all it takes. If she's some stripper who you have to have so badly that your entire trip is ruined if she's not available to you, even non-whales can easily find a way to make it worth a stripper's time to hang out with you.

skibum609

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5 years ago

Whether a dancer who is occupied by another is making momney is really none of my business. If I want to spend time with them and they want to spend time with me; we have a match. Beyond that what they do is their business and if they choose another; its their choice. Why get upset or even notice that some other PL has the dancers, when the only thing that really matters is that you don't....not why you don't.

Subraman

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5 years ago

-->"Probably not as much as they'd make full on hustle mode, but easier, more consistent "

There's also intangibles that we as PLs don't always think about. For many less-experienced, non-jaded strippers, dealing with customers is not a zero-emotional-investment effort, the way it would be if you were selling something like candy bars. Picture heaving at the club at 1pm-4pm, and 4pm is when her whale and/or the general rush starts (this is very typical for dayshift). Maybe -- MAYBE -- she could go full-hustle and earn more by 4pm. But if she's irritated, angry, and emotionally exhausted from dealing with rude customers, fighting off fingers groping for her wholes, getting told "no" a *lot* (and not always in the nicest way), "time wasters" who imply they'll tip her but don't, etc... how is it a win to already be irritated and exhausted just as the real money walks in at 4pm? It makes no sense at all. I 100% understand why my CFs highly value their regulars during the slow times, even if they could make more by hustling. That's what many of these guys don't understand -- maybe she'll make an extra $40 with you, but it's not worth sacrificing her weekly comfortable slow-period $200 with her regular. Marginal extra revenue is more important to the more jaded and experienced girls, who are exactly who I'm happy to pass up

mark94

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5 years ago

Some dancers try to make $X in a shift, as quickly and comfortably as they can. If fact, I think it’s only a small number of dancers who do whatever it takes to maximize their dollars.

If most dancers can schedule 2 or 3 regulars in a shift at $200-300 per customer, they’ll fill the rest of their time as enjoyably as they can.

Subraman

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5 years ago

Exactly. That's what so many guys don't understand. Not all strippers are completely mechanical lap dancing machines. Dealing with the consensus rudest customers in the sex industry (not you guys, you guys are awesome. Those other guys.) takes a toll, especially on younger and newer girls. So "if she'd just left her regular and come to me, she could have had an extra Andrew Jackson in her pocket" is often just not worth it. Nor is burning herself out or getting a negative attitude for that Jackson, when her best strategy is to be at her 100% best her whale shows up in a couple of hours -- so totally rational to make a little less with guys who are guaranteed to not irritate her.

rickdugan

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5 years ago

===> "I think most PLs that are upset are not upset at the girl, but the PL hogging up a dancer for hours-on-end - but we've been down the discussion-road b/f that's just resulted in a stalemate"

I think that most PLs understand how this works. it's just a minority that have never learned to accept that a girl is not a rationed bag of rice or beans, Any guy who resents me when I'm the one guilty of it can is welcome to step up and entice her away. If he can't do that, then he can kiss my ass.

I had something like this happen just last night. I was tipping my new friend barside and also tipping her well on stage. We had also begun the dance re: potential OTC. So in a slow club on a Sunday night with few decent prospects, you can bet she stayed close.

When another guy, who had been eye fucking her for an hour from across the bar, approached her on stage and asked if she was available, she had some calculus to do. Would she risk losing a potential good payout if she disappeared? She knew that there were a couple of other hungry girls waiting for their shot (I'm known in this club). Could she risk leaving me alone for what might only be a one and done?

As an aside, it probably didn't help that he looked weird and creepily intense. That surely made the decision much easier for her.

In the end she made the right choice and blew him off. Not long after, I took her off the roster completely and out of the club. Fuck him and anyone else who thought that they were entitled to her like she was communal property.

boomer79

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5 years ago

I had a girl sitting with me a long time the other day and was actually confronted by another customer. I just told him I didn’t own her but enjoyed her company and she was welcome to stay as long as she wanted but that was her choice.

I had already taken her to VIP and was still spending a little bit. She told me that everyone there was either not spending, creepy, or someone’s attached regular. She was watching for good candidates but was happy hanging out with me. We were both having a good time and frankly it wasn’t anyone else’s business. If the guy who confronted me spent 100 bucks it was on beer and he had one and done a couple girls who would have been pretty good company.

dr_lee

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5 years ago

Oh, yeah, years ago, I remember a favorite dancer of mine told me this guy she was sitting with paid her $1000 just to talk for a couple hours. So these guys actually do spend money. It just doesn’t look like it on the surface.

san_jose_guy

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5 years ago

If she likes the guy enough to sit with him for free, best just to lay back. Engage with another girl, engage with that first girl some other time.

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Assmanjoe

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5 years ago

Looks can be deceiving regarding these situations - just because a dudes not literally throwing money at her or getting lds every ten minutes doesnt mean hes not spending or wont. Im lowkey with my spending as far as showing off but over the course of an average visit i drop some dough, its just mostly out of sight. Ive never made it rain on a dancer and prob never will, not my style, but usually wind up locking a girl down regardless. the dancers know whats going on and good for them better than the customers do lol 100%

Tiburon

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5 years ago

@shadowcat really know how to show your age dont you?

Subraman

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5 years ago

"""This is an example of how simply telling me that she would be locked up with him for the rest of the night could have saved me some time."""

ldk, is it possible that his usual M.O is just to sit with her for 20 minutes, so she really thought she'd get to you, but he just stayed longer? Answer to that question, BTW, is DEFINITELY "yes". It's also possibly she wasn't thinking and wanted you locked up just in case, which is stupid. But her priority should be her regular, if he's a regular, rather than a drive-by LDKer; faced with him changing his usual behavior, she definitely did the smart thing by sticking with him.

I've sometimes been in that situation where I hadn't made an appointment because she wasn't on my list yet, but usually she'll at least come by my table or text me "I don't think he's leaving, sorry!". For me, that's a huge thumbs-up for her -- thumbs up for sticking with her regular (I want to earn the same treatment), thumbs up for letting me know

san_jose_guy

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5 years ago

Girls have been asking me to do their taxes for them, or to find out what they need to do to become a school teacher. And on top of this making it clear they want me to take them home with me. All essentially for free.

You don't know what is going on with women. Just have to lay back and let it play out.

SJG

rickdugan

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5 years ago

===> "This is an example of how simply telling me that she would be locked up with him for the rest of the night could have saved me some time. "

It's not her job to manage your time or expectations for you. Maybe she wasn't sure, who knows? Next time consider setting a limit on how long you're willing to wait before moving to another option.

san_jose_guy

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5 years ago

^^^^ I agree with Rick Dugan.

SJG

prevert

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5 years ago

I’ve seen guys getting butthurt over a dancer like that. One guy was glaring at me while I was sitting with a girl at blue diamond. I asked her if he was a good customer. She said he wasn’t really, only spent enough to keep the girls from avoiding him, always wanted more than he was paying for.

The she taught me a valuable lesson. She turned around and gave a huge smile to this guy, blew him a kiss and held up a finger like just a minute. I was looking in the mirror when she did it and it was totally genuine.

Totally fake. Of course if she can do it to him she can do it to me. Lesson learned.

san_jose_guy

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5 years ago

^^^^ Have to be mellow in strip clubs, or they will just become 2amer sites.

SJG

Ch3ll

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5 years ago

Interesting, I have sometimes seen this occur the whole time of my visit. I always assumed they were just hanging out, not in the mood to hustle for money or actually genuinely enjoying the company of the others.

Pyroxl

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5 years ago

I’ve also seen dancers sit alone on their phones the entire time I was there. Waiting for a scheduled meetup, I’m guessing, but it was puzzling at the time.

Subraman

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5 years ago

I agree Pyroxl. Don't get me wrong, I think sometimes it's just lazy unmotivated strippers. But again, interacting with customers and asking for dances does take some emotional capital, especially for shyer girls, and it may make perfect sense for her to just be her 100% best for her big payoff. I once had a really shy CF, and one day my buddy gets to the club before me and says "You know what your girl Courtney does waiting for you to get here? She sits around talking with the other girls, or goes and hides in the back, she hasn't tried to get a single dance with anyone." I'm not exactly a whale but enough of a payoff that, at least that day, she apparently didn't want to deal with randos

twentyfive

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5 years ago

I had one of those lazy unmotivated girls keeping me great company yesterday afternoon she knew I was coming so she just hung out till I arrived I had a wonderful visit with the prettiest girl at Solid Gold and a few of you guys kept trying to get her attention we both were laughing about it.

san_jose_guy

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5 years ago

You can't really order women about what they should do in such situations. Have to just let them be.

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wallanon

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5 years ago

"a few of you guys kept trying to get her attention we both were laughing about it."

So there's a couple of clubs I go to now where I can spot some of the big spenders and the club furniture customers. There's the guys that really want to be seen with "their" girls that all the others guys want. Then there's all the other times those same girls are hustling just like the plain janes, and guys are getting essentially the same treatment for a helluva lot less. Having your fun at the expense of other customers is a little petty.

Even "appointment" dancers can get snagged if it she sees something interesting in it for her. This isn't some grand mystery to solve. It's supposed to be fun for goodness sake.

georgmicrodong

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5 years ago

Deja vu all over again. Having been the guy holding her down for cheap, and also the guy waiting (though hopefully not the guy glaring), I have to say, I much prefer the former. :)

san_jose_guy

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5 years ago

Is that what DV means?

SJG

WinningdaChumpsGame

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5 years ago

^^when people call you a DV, it's short for demented vagrant

WCG

georgmicrodong

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5 years ago

Huh? What brought that on, Chump? I mean, I *am* demented, but hardly a vagrant.

Subraman

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5 years ago

george, you must be ignoring sjg lol...

rickdugan

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5 years ago

===> "Having your fun at the expense of other customers is a little petty."

I disagree. If a guy is so pathetic that he sits there fixated and endlessly staring, then he deserves every bit of derision and ridicule that he gets. Every so often I do the same as gmd and sometimes more. Think my little wink emoticons are irritating on here? Imagine getting it live across the bar from the cocky asshole who has the love of your strip club life on lockdown. 😉

georgmicrodong

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5 years ago

@Subraman, Ah. Yes, I do.

@Winning, my bad. Carry on. :)

WinningdaChumpsGame

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5 years ago

You're demented in the best way GMD :)

WCG

rickdugan

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5 years ago

@Creepy_Fella, that made no sense. Just sayin.' ;)

twentyfive

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5 years ago

^ Made perfect sense to me 😂

rickdugan

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5 years ago

^ 25, I guess you weren't the wise son in the story of the four sons that you heard as a kid at Passover Seder. You know, one of many stories that your confused grandkids may never know or remember because you didn't do your job as a father or a man when you had the chance.

So let me explain it as one would to the child who did not know to ask:

A Patriots hater should be happy right now. The guy who was winked at by the cocky a-hole who is locking down the object of his desire is probably pretty unhappy.

Seemed fitting to use this backdrop as Shabbos comes to a close (not that the day means anything to you anyway). 😉

bdirect

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5 years ago

they make more money than you,,,,,,,,,,,they get govt welfare funding so they make money,.... it is tax season now, they dont get taxed on lap dance money

rickdugan

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5 years ago

Creepy_Fella, quit while you're behind. You tried that goofy "you didn't get what I was really trying to say" tapdancing in another thread and it didn't work out for you there either. ;)

san_jose_guy

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5 years ago

bdirect, gov't spending is what keeps the middle tier of our jobs market going.

Lap dance money, even if unlawful, it is supposed to be taxed.

Better if we could go to UBI.

SJG

twentyfive

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5 years ago

@Dugan do yourself a big favor stop reminding us on the forum here what a bigot you are and tend to your own affairs, I quite sure that Mrs. Dugan would appreciate a big strong man come around once in a while and take her and the girls to church, she's having a rough time trying to get a little daddy time herself, and boy those kids have "daddy issues" galore, you'll be lucky if they just start stripping, my guess is they'll be real popular down on the stroll soon.

rickdugan

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5 years ago

25, me a bigot? I have nothing but great respect for devout Jews - my disdain only extends to pretend Jews like you. As far as my family, I'm home all the time and, unlike yours, my kids' religious education and participation are ongoing.

But you got caught up in the packaging and ignored the point therein. The son who did not know to ask indeed. 😉

doctorevil

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5 years ago

"my disdain only extends to pretend Jews like you" That's pretty funny. I wonder if Ricky Boy's disdain extends to "pretend Christians" who pretend to be a religious family man, all the while fucking whores while the family is home asleep.

rickdugan

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5 years ago

Shit D_E, if sexual fidelity was the sole measure of religious faith, then churches all across the country would bleed out of parishioners. For that matter, so too would the synagogues that 25's progeny will never visit. We're all sinners.

twentyfive

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5 years ago

@RickiBoi
>25, me a bigot? I have nothing but great respect for devout Jews <
Really why is it every time any statement is made that you don't like, my ethnicity is where you go first, you are really a bigoted cocksucker, and a really dumbass motherfucker.

rickdugan

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5 years ago

^It's the abandonment of your culture that I pick on. Judaism is a religion and a cultural identity, not an ethnicity. Your ethnicity is likely German, Russian or some other middle or eastern European country. The wise son would understand the distinctions. 😉

twentyfive

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5 years ago

Explain to all of us here what my busting your balls over the Patriots has to do with my ethnicity, and fuck all do you know about my cultural identity, and exactly why do you find the need to go to that place, (overt bigotry) other than the fact that like all bigots you are insecure in your own identity, damn man you really need some help, seek it for your overt bigotry .

twentyfive

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5 years ago

BTW Rickiboi those winky emoticons don't disguise your bigotry they just identify you as an asshole.

san_jose_guy

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5 years ago

Strip clubs only work because the women get to do what they want. So don't criticize them over who they sit with.

SJG

doctorevil

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5 years ago

Gee, 25, must be nice to have someone 'splain everything about your heritage to you. I guess it's something you always wondered about.

twentyfive

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5 years ago

^ So you think I should thank that cocksucker LOL

georgmicrodong

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5 years ago

Well, you know, since rick follows his own religion so assiduously, he's eminently qualified to everyone else's observance of their own.

rickdugan

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5 years ago

25, I'll let others decide whether what I have posted is bigotry, but I think you know better. Look at the bright side though, at least I didn't call you a pedo or at the very least a pedo sympathizer, which I have to say would not be completely without merit.

You also know that the only time I give you that type of grief is when you decide to get your troll on. Well, you know what they say, once a train gets derailed there's no telling where it will end up.

twentyfive

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5 years ago

Ah now I understand you very well, you're not giving me any grief, all you are doing is making yourself look like a jackass, I know you can't help that, I haven't brought up your drunk driving or the advice you like to give out about how to prey on drug addicted, helpless women needing a fix or rent money, to keep from being thrown on the street with their kids, lest no one forget what a prince, you are you joined with the two nastiest posters in tormenting a man dying of cancer, by taking a stupid posting he made and then came after me because I refused to join you and the two gutless cowards in your phony drama. If you or anyone else has actual of pedophile behavior, bring it to the attention of the authorities that have the power to actually help any real victims. Else shut the fuck up before I look into your own serially demented behavior.
And RickiBoi no body is applauding your comments, what you hear is the sound of one hand clapping

rickdugan

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5 years ago

Sorry I didn't see all that sooner., this being a church Sunday and all.

You're coming apart now with all that name calling and goofy troll post regurgitation. It"s a sign of hypersensitivity and deep emotional weakness, not that those traits are any surprise given everything we know about you.

Now I am imperfect for sure, but you are truly one messed up individual with twisted sympathies and life priorities. Maybe your neglect of your kid's cultural education was a good thing given where your sympathies lie.

As far as VM is concerned, I have never read more disturbing posts from a grown man on any site ever, I hope he rots in He'll and that anyone here who shares his proclivities joins him. I'd piss on the fucker's grave if I knew where it was.

twentyfive

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5 years ago

>Sorry I didn't see all that sooner., this being a church Sunday and all.<

Good one RicklBoi, did you burst into flames, still looking to learn about my culture from a church going man that hide his self promotional whore mongering, on Sundays, and pretends to be a god fearing family member, bet your daughters see right through your hypocrisy, Pretty sure your wife is just in denial.

Tiburon

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5 years ago

This went from talking about Baker strippers to whos the most devout religious person. Lmao only on tuscl😎😂

Tiburon

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5 years ago

Baller strippers *

twentyfive

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5 years ago

HAHA true bro