Some are More Dangerous Than Others

So...she did everything right and yet will be punished for it? 🤔

EndlessSummer,

She did everything right, but I don’t think I’m punishing her for it. She earned a whopping big tip for thoroughly entertaining and ultimately desplooginating yours truly.

But that’s where it ends.

A woman who can so easily turn my mind to mush is a woman I need to avoid.

I am smart enough to know what she really wants from me and it isn’t children!

Yes, because he wants to be faithful to his wife and knows he would fold like a house of cards in this dancer's presence.

I cannot be swayed since this is all a fantasy and not real life.

Don't worry Endless, he'll find his way back to her club again. he'll make up some excuse in his head about why it's ok to go back, but from the second he walks in he'll be scanning the floor to see if he can spot her.

@Rev Wait a minute! If she wanted children, you'd go running back??? 😋 I guess I've been doing this all wrong...🤪

EndlessSummer

If she wanted MY children I would at least interpret her motives differently. But that’s a long way from saying I would want her to me my kids’ mommy.

I regard her as a master manipulator. As a master manipulator myself, I can spot them easily and am smart enough to know when I’ve met my match.

I think problems can arise when one becomes emotionally vested vs it just being entertainment

Papi just said a mouthful!

^^ I agree with the above comments.

Ok, I'll bite... entertainment? Yes! And I remind others of that often enough... But, isn't it all the more entertaining when an element of human connection creeps in? Perhaps an intelligent dancer fully appreciates when she has the pleasure of enjoying the company of someone she deems as being on her intellectual level... Therefore, she'll be denied that pleasure in the future, and hence, punished.

On the other hand, I applaud your self control Rev... (however long it lasts, if rickdugan has offered up a correct assessment!) ❤ 🔆

EndlessSummer,

Yes, it is better, much better, when an element of human connection creeps in. I look for precisely such encounters.

The problem with this one is that it was too delicious.

I returned to the club on a day that she said she would not be there. But she was there. I ducked out before she saw me.

Like I said, I’m smart enough to know when I’ve met my match. I can’t handle this one without getting burned. She’s too smart for me.

^ I guess she's not, after all 😉

Endless Summer meet Rev.

Salesperson meet customer.

^Nah, he'll have to stick with his local sales reps... I'm not at a national level...😊

My sentiments exactly Rev.

i need to see this girl. and i’ll resist her charms.

I'm sure that Endless Summer is dangerous for all of the reasons you mentioned Rev.

25,

All of us mongers get our kicks from flirting with danger.

I’d be delighted to take Endless Summer for a spin and see how dangerous she can be.

Dangerous

tuscl.net

Oh,25... I'm not sure why you say that, but I think you give me too much credit...😌

@anyone else who would like to give me a "spin"- I'm only a short, beautiful, 1.5 hour drive from our nation's capital... I'm always up for a good twirl! 😊

Come to think of it, if I am indeed dangerous... Perhaps, being geographically undesirable makes me less so? 🤔

Oh how I wish I had your self control. After years of squandering every available cent and all my misplaced emotions I finally saw the truth and extricated myself, relatively intact. Tomorrow I begin again. A new, younger drug free version. Her apartment. Her promises of unbridled pleasure. New more erotic activities and toys. And she wants to video every move. I think I’ll just call her tonight to see if she prefers the cash app or PayPal. All is lost.

Hmmm I think all are dangerous the most never ask directly just make subtle suggestions. Perhaps I should go back to church. I'm

Gawker,

I’m not a devotee of the recent trend that seeks to reduce every bad decision to a form of mental illness, but when it comes to sex, my personal experiences lead me to believe that sexual addiction is a real problem.

When I refer to “sexual addiction” I don’t mean just that most of us engage in sex repeatedly for most of our lives. I am instead referring to how many of us continue to engage in specific sexual behaviors, some of which are potentially self destructive, despite a fervent desire to quit.

Probably great fodder for a separate discussion ...

I've had several people tell me I am a sex addict.

Not sure if that could be true since I don't have much sex. But I do have extremely intense cravings for it and whenever I do get the opportunity for sex I have a lot of it in a very short period of time. I also jerk off multiple times per day, I tend to enjoy movies and TV shows more if there's more sex or girls in skimpy outfits in it no matter how gratuitous, and I am not bothered whatsoever by the idea of paying for it.

I do seem to have the same psychological mindset of a sex addict, but I'd think I would need to have sex on a more regular basis to be one?

I would be reluctant to call sex an “addiction” unless it interferes with your life or if you feel powerless to stop (or cut back) despite the risks that continued overindulgence pose.

I'm probably too risk-adverse to qualify then.

I seek very high quantities of sex, but its also very difficult for me to relax so I very much prefer to have it in quiet, private, dimly lit spaces.

-->" The ones who can sit and listen to your empty, self-centered soliloquies without yawning, pretending to be enthralled with everything you have to say no matter how arcane and to respond with intelligent comments and questions. "

Ironically, this is my huge turn-off. "Good listener" is one of the most useless qualities, to me. My weakness is a stripper who is as fully involved in the conversation as me, we're swapping stories or jokes or talking shit and cracking up. Holy shit am I ever uninterested in her sitting there listening drone on about myself. Still, I understand this is just a rhetorical device for you, but it snaps me right out of fantasyland. On the other hand:

-->"she had me considering becoming her Sugar Daddy. "

EXACTLY what I look for in an ATF. That seals the deal

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If I ever feel a true "emotional connection" with a dancer then its over. Its been 1 year since I last spoke with or was spoken to by my former ATF and one year and one week since she told me, after a wonderful CR experience,that she always considered me a "true friend".

I never have this problem, mostly because my head is in the right place. I made my life choices and I am neither yearning for greener pastures nor trying to fill some type of void. I also never forget that these girls are playing a role and that, sooner or later, they will move on. All of this allows me to relax and enjoy alluring and fascinating women without fear that my head will go to the wrong place.

That's not to say that I don't understand these impulses. I've met some truly remarkable dancers over the years. But even back in the early days, when I was a touch more susceptible to this sort of thing, I always had something to keep my grounded. Now, at my current age and with my various life obligations, my resolve is naturally baked into my personality. As mesmerizing and seductive as some of these girls can be, they are my playtime and I am a temporary source of income - nothing more.

Idk what to say to those who, at advanced ages, are still vulnerable to these emotional impulses. Maybe find other things or outlets? Again, idk.

A stripper doesn't have to be super smart to be dangerous. Just smarter than a guy thinking with the little head. That's a low bar.

Smart women are good because I'd be bored otherwise if my Viagra bottle was empty.

@rhb

Pics or didn't happened!

Just kidding, no pics are necessary.

In ancient Greece some women in the "sex industy", called hetairai, were thought to have had only a few men as clients at any one time, to have had long-term relationships with them, and to have provided companionship and intellectual stimulation as well as sex.

Hetairai were "elite women" who participated in sympotic and luxury culture".

The types of women in Ancient Greece:

"We have courtesans for pleasure, concubines for the daily tending of the body, and wives in order to beget legitimate children and have a trustworthy guardian of what is at home."

No need to be afraid or scared of the "danger" with any of them, just make sure you and them know the difference and make the relationships mutually beneficial and perceive it as a fair trade, so you both wal away happy.

Good luck and good times.

Ancient Greece has three levels of women sex workers. The top level were as you said, hetairai.

We would call them courtesans. And they tended to be Ionian, not Greek, so they would not be suitable as wives, and they knew this.

Simone de Beauvoir picked this term as one of her four roles for women in Second Sex.

Plato did not keep them, but Aristotle did.

The bottom grade worked in brothels. And they often had something like "Follow Me" cut into the soles of their sandals, so you could read this in their tracks.

The middle tier, known as Party Girls, they were dancers, or maybe strippers. You could hire them for parties. And they learned to play instruments so that they could accompany one and other. Most interesting to me.

Lots of good books:

amazon.com

SJG

EndlessSummer, read this thread: tuscl.net

Not everyone treats women as disposable.

SJG

^^ STFU!

In Indonesia some women are available on a “kontrak kawin” basis. This is a “contract marriage.” Needless to say, the contracts are unwritten and informal. It’s akin to a Sugar Daddy relationship except that the women are generally faithful, live with you and even bear children in exchange for financial benefits.

I guess, I a way, every relationship I’ve ever had shared some of these features.

As for people not being disposable, they are. All of us are.

But at least we are all also biodegradable.

Come to thin of it, being biodegradable is probably one of my better features.

I understand the point of your post, Rev, though I've yet to have such a mind scrambling experience.

As a relative beginner in this game, I'm glad I found TUSCL and its advice. Between that (don't bring more $ than you plan to spend), my relative poverty, and sound marriage I won't risk, I hope to have some inoculation to the siren call of a 'dangerous' stripper. (LOL, mostly I bet it's my relative poverty, as in, I don't look like a guy that's gonna have more than a few twenties).

"If they have beautiful faces, full, pouty lips, wonderfully natural boobies and dynamite legs and asses, that just makes them even more dangerous."

^ when these strippers have a nice personality and are totally OK with high mileage, they are the most dangerous to me. They don't need to be smart in my book.

What blew me away more than anything about this “dangerous” one was her uncommon combination of grace, ferocious beauty and a keen (but manipulative) mind.

We were having a very unusual conversation (at least in the context of a strip club VIP room) when I made remark about how religious people went nuts over the “exquisitely fine-tuned cosmological constant. ” To my astonishment, this luscious practically naked women gave me an appropriate response showing that she understood what I was talking about.

Women who can sit there naked discussing physics always make me horny.

I wanted to put her on the table and fuck her right then and there!

I’m getting an education and a bit of understanding from this thread.
interesting. The different levels of attraction and drive.

Personally, I love that you guys are willing to be open and vulnerable on these discussion boards... For the most part, of course! Some of it, is just a lot of fooling around, but I'm cool with that shit too... It's just that, no matter whatever else, I appreciate that there is a forum here for everyone to speak out and say exactly how they think and feel. Kudos to all of you! 👍🔆😊