Cause they feel like rocks OR some women go way too big and it looks totally unnatural/fake.
I’m with you, not totally against them but so many women get shitty ones or go way to big. I know a beautiful woman (not a stripper) who is 5’1” with double d’s. She looks ridiculous and now she has a big “refund gap” on her chest (where there’s a huge space between her cleavage). She should have gotten a nice c-cup and be done, but she loves the attention they bring.... stupid whore!
To quote Chili Palmer, since clubbing I have long lost most of my middle class sensibilities. As for breast implants, I don't care as long as they look great and feel great. I think some of these guys and gals might change their opinions of a girl's boob job if he or she say the before/after pictures. I think the right enhancements can enhance a gal. But that's just me. For real, I have that to go to at home. When out, I'm looking for a few minutes with a fantasy girl.
Are you attracted to every type of girl in the club?
Breast implants are synthetic, I prefer the real thing - no matter how well done they are IMO/IME they just don't feel quite the same as a real/natural breast - the good ones are just a good approximation IMO.
As flagooner mentioned, the good-implants look good but IMO/IME they don't feel as good as natural.
At best I'll get dances in-spite of the implants, def not bc of them (bc I may really like the rest of her).
I used to always be against implants as a preference but I will say there are more than a few dancers at my club who are way too small for their body type. Larger girls should not have A cups. For the rest, I do like well done ones. Most of my regulars have them. My current g/f does not but she's petite and has very full and perky B's.
All depends on how well the job is done. If the surgeon did it well, then it's actually kind of hard to tell. But I have no problems with them at all. I like an athletic, toned girl with big boobs. Nature says that doesn't really happen. So if I get what I want, then she probably is enhanced.
I like them both ways, some fakes are amazing. I've seen some fantastic real tits on a 20 year old before gravity takes over. I've also dated a few girls that desperately needed a boob job, but never would go through with it.
I naturally like smaller breasts. Every dancer I have done dances with pre-enhancement, I have not liked and stopped doing dances with post-enhancement. Maybe 1% of the dancers get the right size (always far too big) and shape (um basketball anyone) because the shape they come ion seem silly; they are rock hard and feel unnatural; and there are plenty of guys who like them so why should I settle for something I don't like. Its like going to the Capitol Grille, my brother loves it, I'd go to Nathans and do lap dances.
Another vote for boob jobs where fun can be had with them. If they're too hard to play with then I may as well be watching a video. It's also too bad when the technique used leaves visible scars.
1. depends on how well done. If I "can't tell" that the boobs are fake, I'll take any boob at all. :) If, to the contrary, they're "supposed" to look fake, or "accidentally" look unnatural, then somehow I'm just not turned on as much.
2. I often suspect that young men who have very little experience with FEELING actual human female breasts, are the men who are most likely to wish to LOOK at fake-looking "bolt on" breasts. Hence porn preferences. If they'd go to strip clubs more often, and actually compare the feeling between real and fake, they might change their visual preferences on the basis of their tactile preferences. This is a theory of mine. I know, it's pretty patronizing, and really misses the point of the "fantasy" which fake tits provide.
There are some (few) porn stars with ultra-fake-looking tits who nevertheless really turn me on -- Jessie Rogers (after; though, before is hot, too); Rikki Sixx -- because of the "fantasy" aspect. But most ultra-fake-looking tits simply ruin the look, IMO.
Most men *claim* to dislike implants, makeup, or anything else that could potentially deceive a man that a female is more attractive than her genetic default.
It makes sense, subconsciously. If humans are hardwired by default to find qualities in a person that would make for an attractive mate.
But the *reality* is that for many women, doing some “tweaks” here and there to themselves are very much to one’s advantage.
(And yes, the reverse could also be said for females as well.)
The ten year thing is for implants from the early 2000s and before. Fake boobs are different and better now, surgeons have more experience and there is better technology with the materials they can use.
My boobs are super soft. People ask me all the time if they are fake or real.
I don’t understand the obsession with a girl having real boobs. I’ve seen a lot of boobs. I’ve only seen ONE person with real boobs that were amazing, she’s one of my best friends. I’ve seen a lot of not great implants, but also I’ve seen a million fake boobs that are amazing. One to one million, fake boobs are really tipping that scale.
Nice boobs are nice boobs. You are standing in your own way from appreciating a good thing by being hung up on “but they’re not real.” WAHHH, men.
Guys compensating for nature’s shortcomings might be 1) hair treatments for baldness, 2) maybe growing a beard to compensate for a weak chin (that’s a stretch), or 3) using viagra or ED drugs.
A car is said to be a stand in for a guy’s penis. Personally I think it’s more “auto-erotica” (aka stand in for a woman, who never says no) than a phallus.
Be yourself is dumb advice. Maybe be interesting, well read, and charming would be more correct. But no one puts it like that.
Things I usually can’t tell about a woman. If her boobs are real or not, her real age, her exact weight. Never really mattered.
It isn't about deception or deviating from nature. Its about being willing to play a role. I love to have women in high heels and makeup. Hair coloring and nail painting also good.
But I still think that boob jobs is just going too far. So also would be the Chinese foot bind.
BTW, the OP asked for reasons. The reasons we have are real to us regardless of how irrational or shallow they may seem to others. If you don't want to see or refuse to believe our reasons, don't bother reading them.
I guess if i had no idea if she had implants and believed they were "real", i would be fooled and fine with it, i guess. Sort of like a nose job that was done well and i never saw her before it. Otherwise, that has never happened IME. You can feel the implant when you are squeezing around regardless of how "soft" they are. That just feels so unnatural to me and a turn off, not unlike a prosthesis, albeit skin covered. Some women do have naturally dense breast tissue and the large glands can feel like implants, but i've never seen or felt implants that literally felt or were shaped like mammary glands (almost like giant testicles, but a bit softer and more irregularly shaped). And nursing breasts also feel a little bit more like implants being basically milk filled, but still noticeably different, particularly the location of the gland (closer to the nipple than over the chest bone/muscle or even close to the armpit sometimes). I generally prefer a naturally fattier breast texture than the dense/glandular one anyway.
But even beyond the feel of fake breasts (which is generally the worst and most unnatural part to me), is the look as well. I don't like the obvious hemispheres. When a woman takes off her bra, i expect a difference, even a considerable one. There's a whole thing or meme, if you will, of titty drops and they are very sexy, but they don't generally work with obviously fake breasts. For natural fans like me, i very much appreciate the natural look and movement of natural breasts (and of course the feel as well). Even on very rare occasions where i see natural larger breasts that look "fake" (there are a lot of smaller breasts that look kind of fake), as in almost exactly the same shape in and outside the bra, i'm more impressed only in a cognitive sense, but i'm actually less physically turned on by that. Just the strong possibility that they could be fake makes me wary. That is until i feel them and their natural feel more than makes up for the unnatural look.
I'm probably little bit more of a breast connoisseur than the average PL, but i feel the exact same way about butt implants...
Here's some reasons, it's not natural and there are quite a few of us who dislike a natural beauty. I tell my girlfriend all the time to stop wearing makeup (or wear very little) because it is not natural and makes her look uglier than she really is.
They don't age well with your body (or at all). The older you get, the more they booth stay the same. Or they just look like balls in a sack because your skin is sagging while your boobs are still around because they're not real.
Consistent boob jobs. Girls have to periodically more than average go in for a boob check because their manufactured. They also create a higher risk of breast cancer and what husband wants to deal with that.
You're never happy with what you got. You hate your boobs, then your lips, then your holy Grail that is your booty. Or maybe you get a hip REDUCTION (wtf?) Before you know it, your a living Barbie doll...or an instathot. And I don't know about anyone else, but fake butts may (they don't) look good to SOME people while in public (they don't) or in pictures, but they have never been reliable in bed and fake butts gets you the red wing boot.
Unqualified value increase. Women who previously had low self-esteem due to their body suddenly think their a perfect 10, their attitude most times gets worse if left unchecked, and they feel only the best of the best men deserve them and only the finest and probably least sentimental gifts will do, when half of these same women are as vapid and clueless as a goldfish. Have you seen some of these dating/escort sites?
Attitude goes a long way when considering attraction in my book. If a boob job makes her more confident without the GPS and removes some insecurity, that will go a long way to countering my distaste for a noticable boob job. It could be a net positive, but that isn't the norm IME.
I am starting to get mildly annoyed with some of these points of view.
Not every girl is born with nice everything. Example- some of us can get away with no makeup and this has no effect on money or a positive effect on money. So is the girl with an ugly face supposed to feel like shit? LOL NO. Put on some makeup or get some plastic surgery and keep it moving.
I don't have nice big tits due to genetics. I am fine with mine. But I also see the evidence all around me that girls with either nice natural tits or nice fakes seem to hustle less to make money. They do not necessarily make more, but it comes easier.
This industry is the most competitive, because there are a lot of good looking women. There are also a lot of cheap hoes. It literally pays bills to stand out any way you can especially if you don't wanna be a hoe.
You guys seem to expect every woman to have the most fortunate genetics in every aspect, and that just isn't the reality. It's pretty common for a girl to have some of these things, but very rare for a girl to have everything -naturally! A gorgeous face, nice hips, waist that goes inward, round nice ass, bigger but perky nice tits. I don't really care for all this fake shit on a personal level. But from a moneymaking level from everything I've seen at strip clubs and on cam sites I'd say the fake tits make it easier- then you just have to not get lazy and completely rely on looks.
I haven't met too many girls with everything fake that act like total cunts as you guys describe. Maybe you come off cheap, nasty, rude, and/ or grabby? I act stuck up to guys like that too. If you do not act that way then disregard what I said and you might be right.
Girls only are into all this fake shit because guys respond to it even if they won't ever admit it. And then for girls in certain industries the fakeness = easier money.
I really can’t find fault with a woman who tries to improve her appearance. I think confidence is sexy - and a woman who feels better about her body - will be more confident and sexy.
I hadn’t weighed in on this topic because, I don’t really pay a lot of attention to size, I agree that natural is usually more estheticly pleasing, but here’s the thing, and it’s important looks will only carry you so far in any business, sure it’s important to make a good first impression, but it’s your personality and ability that will get you across the finish line.
I understand your response. The thing is that I don't expect or even seek perfection as you claim we do.
I find attraction in flaws. I typically find myself being attracted more to what most consider a "7" than i do to what most consider 9s and 10s and generally feel more comfotable with them and have more fun. Maybe that speaks to some of my insecurities.
“They also create a higher risk of breast cancer and what husband wants to deal with that.”
The husband may want his wife to be natural, and love her naturally (even if society would downvote her for it), and that’s great.
How many of them though would also still happily go off to fuck the hot bitch with makeup and fake implants and give her money and gifts for her efforts though, and do this bareback to boot?
DISCLAIMER: On the flip side, women do questionable things as well in relationships. I acknowledge that. I’m just trying to prove a point.
Most men (in general), if you ask them when they are being sober and logical, will claim to hate fake tits. But the reality is different for women observing who had the easier time, like blah said.
(And if you are one of those men who really will stop getting dances because you realize there’s something odd about that mostly realistic boob job, then no this doesn’t apply to you or course.)
For myself, all I have to say is thank the deities for my natural nice tiddies. It’s certainly not my charm, grace, and patience to keep regulars around that does me well, LOL
I definitely prefer natural boobs, and like flagooner said, find attraction in some "flaws" or more so "uniqueness" of genetics. Natural boobs are nicer to touch for sure, but it isn't just that. Nicespice made a comment:
"Most men *claim* to dislike implants, makeup, or anything else that could potentially deceive a man that a female is more attractive than her genetic default."
Makeup and implants are completely different in my opinion. Makeup helps to look great but is removed at the end of the day, and I appreciate that women make the effort to apply and remove it. Implants seems more like an unnecessary life decision to me. You can't take the implants out at night. Implants generally make women look better in clothes, but less good nude.
As a guy, when you consider that, you have to question the real reason why women get them. I think it's mostly to feel better about themselves, which I don't think is a good reason. You should be able to feel good about yourself without fake boobs. Maybe I'm wrong, and the reason is to please all the guys who have a CFNM fetish, and in that case, I'm all for them! But they still don't feel nearly as good as real ones.
We all agree with steeldog. Any most of my dancer friends have implants. I don't discriminate, just giving my opinion!
Nicespice I didn't even know that permanent makeup existed. The things they come up with these days...I do think going to bed with "makeup" would be a little weird, but to each their own. I can't keep up with the world!
boob job, nose job, lip fillers, botox, fake ass, doesn't matter what it is... the guys who claim to hate "fake" don't hate plastic surgery. they just hate BAD or intentionally obvious plastic surgery. i've seen all of the above done well and subtly enough that you can't even tell
I disagree about every girl getting implants to feel better about themselves. I'm gonna get them because I am tired of losing sales to seriously busted chicks or out of shape skinny fat bitches that got some titties. Sorry just keeping it real. I am also tired of dealing with ass men almost exclusively. They are cheaper and more rude and crude than the average guy that goes for titties I feel like! I still make money, but yes I want to take the easy way out. Also implants are extremely cheap! Cheaper than most cars- like for real I didn't know how cheap they were until I looked into it. I could get them right now cost wise, but I have another reason I'm scheduled out a few months.
boob job, nose job, lip fillers, botox, fake ass, doesn't matter what it is... the guys who claim to hate "fake" don't hate plastic surgery. they just hate BAD or intentionally obvious plastic surgery. i've seen all of the above done well and subtly enough that you can't even tell
I meant to respond to twentyfive as well. I wouldn't say harm as much as misplaced focus. If looking better really makes someone feel better about themselves then I guess fine - but it really shouldn't in my opinion. Secondly, spending a ton of money on one's appearance seems not right to me. There are more important things imo. I know we're in the 21st century, so I'm still living in the past, I know. People can do what they want so my opinion means nothing anyway.
I have a few friends whose wives have wanted and in some cases gotten implants. I just don't see the need (and their husbands don't either). You're married already so it shouldn't be about looking good to others at that point in your life. Fortunately my wife has natural C cups and would never need or want implants.
If your occupation is contingent on having bigguns then maybe that's different. But even then, I've known several dancers pre-implants and they don't necessarily look better afterwards. Some had very nice boobs before. Maybe in the past the type of guy that visited strip clubs was the type of guy who liked huge tits, but I don't think that's the case in 2018. It's more mainstream and accepted than 30 years ago.
I wouldn't even think of plastic surgery if I worked a vanilla job. That's just me though. I don't give a fuck about titties but guys with money sure seem to!
Obviously there seems to be a difference between what preferences the hardcore PLs state and what dancers actually report. I don't think either side has any reason to be lying. The truth is probably that most guys don't prefer implants but the average non-hardcore PL is not as picky. So getting implants can boost a girls income.
I think there is something primal about big tits. I am not a big tit guy at all, other than nicespice (who's tits are epic BTW) I have never bought a dance from a girl with big tits. I tend to prefer small or medium.... BUT if a girl has big tits it draws my eye. If they are really massive I am drawn to glance and then simultaneously turned off by them which I don't understand.
I guess blahblahblah23 is saying the opposite of what I am. Maybe there are a shitload of guys out there who will get dances because you have bigger titties. I am not one of them.
PaulDrake, I agree with what you said, especially the first paragraph, and you said it much better than I am able to.
As an aside, I do like big tits, but I also like small ones. The personality of the dancer is much more important to me than the size of the boob though.
@blah there are natural ways to be attractive. Healthy eating and working out comes to mind. Not drinking and smoking is another. And if you still have self esteem issues after that, then bigger bombs won't help because all you'll attract is dogs. And if really have to surgically change your entire body just to compete in the strip club, then maybe the person should find a different line of work. There's more than one way to make money and not every man wants the same. Half of these guys here want slim little hottie.
For what it's worth, studies have shown that women who get breast implants (and specifically breast implants compared to other CS) are around 3 times as likely to commit suicide as well as more likely to die from alcohol and substance abuse. I'm not saying that implants are the cause, but they are definitely a symptom. Using an external "solution" to deal with an internal problem tends not to work well. It's like cutting weeds. Someone stronger mentally is much less likely to get implants.
@blahblahblah23
I thought you did better, even significantly better than most of the girls you worked with. And i thought lot of the less attractive girls making money were doing extras. I don't know, you seem all over the map sometimes. Either these girls are less attractive than you or not and attractiveness is also related to personality. Implants won't change that...
I don't know why you are all trying to turn this into something it isn't. If I see girls with boring personalities and worse physical shape than me but they got some big titties I assume it's my lack of tits that lost me that sale there.
I used to be something of a top earner until I went to Florida. I barely hustle anymore because the vast majority of customers here want way too much for way too little and they annoy/disgust me down here.
I guess I am getting greedy. I want the boob guy money in addition to what I already have going for me.
Here's an example, look up Lana Rhodes. I saw this girl feature at a club I worked at. Bitch is plastic everything at only 21, which is a little sad, yes. But she's made some porn money and she was making retarded fucking money on stage in the club and probably other money signing shit or doing dances which. The ordinary girl next door look she had before is cute. But it isn't the type of look to get major rain money on stage. Now fake body parts get you some serious money.
While it seems most guys on this board don't like fakies, I fucking love them! Not all of em though. I'm not down with the fakes that are rock solid to where they don't even contort in your hand. The ones that have a good balance of firmness and softness are the perfect ones IMO. In my experience lately, the rock hard ones aren't as popular anymore and thank God for that.
I'm down with natural and fake though, as long as they're big. Big enough to fill up my huge hands.
We've been over this subject and I bunch on these forums and I also wondered why so many posters on here despise fake boobs. I mean I know we all prefer different things. But when I'm in a club it seems there a ton of guys that like fake boobs just as much as I do. But on these forums, I feel like a serious minority. I'd say like, 10% of guys here are down with fake boobs, while 90% seem to be all about the naturals.
blahblah, I respect that. I also respect the comment you made earlier about not all girls win the genetic lottery. I see past the flaws (and CS) but also see your POV. Good comments and real talk.
estafador, good comments too. theDirkDiggler, you earned a trust from me. I always like your comments. Thanks for your comments, too, April and Paul.
My example from last week. I bought dances from 3 girls. All three had what I would call large A cups on fit girls. But I'm also a complete retard for big boobs, too at times. So I am conflicted. In many ways I'm like steeldog65 and just love it when her boobs come out and I get to see them and maybe touch. Great comments again by Estafador. Boobs are great.
I'm not sure Lana Rhodes is the best example. Neither is comparing the porn industry to strip clubs. Lana always did well at strip clubs. She just had it. She isn't all plastic. I think she got her lips done fairly early in her career and she may have gotten butt injections recently. Her implants are also fairly recent, completely unnecessary IMO (she honestly didn't need any work at all; she was that hot so i agree her case is sad), but with porn, the user can't touch the performer so as long as they fit a look, that's all that's necessary. Anyway, she got to the top very quickly, and the only place she can go is down now, so who knows what her thought process is...
Her face definitely has some work at least on the lips, her ass is definitely fake and her tits too. I saw her maybe June I forget, but I heard a lot of her plastic is recent idk. I don't watch or follow porn at all. I only found out about her because she was featuring somewhere I was at.
I do find it amusing that we patrons of strip clubs are so harsh in judging dancers. I try to understand that everyone sees themselves in a certain way and if surgery makes you feel better for whatever reason, more power to you. I also think that a fat PL with BO probably shouldn't be commenting on whether or not a woman gets boobs as in a judgmental way. Strippers are in a unique position of trying to fit the most fantasies that they can to maximize earnings. If a dancer feels boobs will be an asset (see what I did there) then go ahead. I believe based on my own viewing in clubs that larger TaTa's mean larger tips. I do believe that there is a point where the size becomes problematical for me but if the dancer is earning more $$'s then more power to her. On the flip side, as a patron of clubs I do try to look at least ok when I go and not disgust the dancer but I am older so that gets hard to do.
@blahblahblah23 - Look you are totally right that getting some big titties is going to make you more money in the club. But a lot of what makes money in the club is what 50yo dudes like. If you are planning on marrying one great. But it does seem that younger guys prefer medium sized boobs compared to the older crowd.
What is considered beautiful in and out of the club are a little different.
I got fake boobs before I ever thought of dancing, for myself. Not for making more money or for wanting to be attractive to guys, for myself. I have a really big butt, i have been self conscious about it all my life until Jennifer Lopez cane along and changed how people view big butts.
Funny to think now that her butt is small compared to a lot of others.
I have said this before here—you can cosmetically enhance in a way that is flattering or a way that is too much. I love my boobs and they look great in a bikini or a white t shirt. They are huge but so is my ass so everything works out.
The only men who ever turn me down for dances because of my boobs (if someone says no, I say “oh, why not?”) are old guys, not younger guys, and they always end up going with a girl who looks 14.
PSD, you stay teasing us (or me, rather) talking about your huge ass. I've asked tons of times for you to bless us with a pic. Yet three pics later, still all boob photos. Which are cool, but damn girl, when you gonna post that donk??!!
This site has 5 active female members at any given time. It is not always a comfortable place to participate. If the girls want to post a pic for you, just be thankful. And don’t be gross about it.
When I was in high school I was a life guard and I put kids breaking the rules into time out. Every time they would ask me if time out was over I would make them wait longer.
Guys in here stay asking the female contributors for pics, usually playfully. Like I thought I was being. Sorry if you thought my request sounded gross or something. Since you've posted some pretty racy pictures in the past I thought a request for a butt pic would be no big deal. I guess I thought wrong. I'll take your reply as a no, and sorry for asking.
Personally, I prefer natural breasts, whether they are As or D's. That said, my ATF's are enhanced C's, as are several other dancers from whom I have gotten lap dances.
In my ATF's case, giving birth to two children had deflated her breasts from large Bs/small Cs to shapeless As. Getting enhancements was for her, not to make more bucks. She paid big bucks for a top notch, sub-muscular job and I never felt any joint or edges. When she had them reworked after she suffered a ruptured implant after ~12 years, her new state-of-the-art implants feel amazingly natural. Another favorite had a similarly done pair (done by the same plastic surgeon) that I was never able to tell if they were real or not until she told me. No visible scarring, no lumps, no edges, great shape, totally natural feel.
It's a new game out there guys. If a girl has enhanced boobs that haven't been oversized and have been done with the latest technology, you probably won't know unless you knew her before her operation.
TFP, yeah you were a little thirsty AF for pics back there. I know you think you were being playful but it came across maybe not full on creepy but a little bit over the imaginary line. I winced a little reading that request. At least she gave you constructive feedback. And good feedback. Live and learn. Chin up.
TFP—I don’t think you personally are being gross at all. I’m sorry, i didn’t mean for that to be directed at you. But, there are gross comments every time, and also you guys don’t see our inboxes either. That was just a general comment—not directed at you. My apologies.
But I am just saying, if a female posts a picture here that’s just a bonus for you guys. It doesn’t benefit us at all to post pictures here and that’s one reason why I don’t do it often.
Not directed at you personally—but I just have enough demands/requests/expectations/etc of me in a sexy context at work...it is draining...and at least their is monetary compensation involved when it happens at the club. If I post a picture here it’s just for fun but I really don’t want to be expected to do something here and critiqued thereafter...it makes me feel like I have to be at work after I punched out from work, but with zero reward. :(
PSD cool, thanks for the reply. I didn't think I sounded creepy asking for the type of picture that thousands of women on Instagram post 3 or 4 times daily. But according to Dominic77 I looked thirsty as fuck in my request. Which is funny because looking at both your responses just now it seems he took more offense to it than you did lol.
Anyhow, thanks for your contributions on this forum. I do appreciate the pics you post, as I'm sure everyone else does as well. I sometimes forget you dancers on here get way more private messages and other 'requests' frequently so thanks for the reminder. I wasn't trying to be demanding in asking for a photo so sorry if I came off that way.
@blahblahblah I never heard of this Lana Rhodes until you said something, but she seems like the type who will fade out really fast. Or be like Mia Khalifa and phase herself out really fast. Either way, she may not last long. We know Cardi B sure didn't and her ass and tits are plastic but her face looks like a rat. And she became a rapper, half because it makes more money, other half is because she still wasn't boasting as much sales as her strip club competitors. Just to show perspective of how fake boobs compare to competition.
It's a new game out there guys. If a girl has enhanced boobs that haven't been oversized and have been done with the latest technology, you probably won't know unless you knew her before her operation.
^ yeah, I've seen and felt some really real seeming implants before.
@blahblahblah I never heard of this Lana Rhodes until you said something, but she seems like the type who will fade out really fast. Or be like Mia Khalifa and phase herself out really fast. Either way, she may not last long. We know Cardi B sure didn't and her ass and tits are plastic but her face looks like a rat. And she became a rapper, half because it makes more money, other half is because she still wasn't boasting as much sales as her strip club competitors. Just to show perspective of how fake boobs compare to competition.
^ ok you do have a point there. I wouldn't go as far as her face looks like a rat but i get the gist of what you are saying. And she did say somewhere she regrets the enhancements somewhere.
I don't judge ladies for having work done, they all have their own reasons. I just hope they put tought towards it and make a reasoned decision and not a knee-jerk one, especially if it is for short term benefit if the procedure is not easily reversed.
I give tge same advice for tattoos and vasectomies.
My mom's boobs are nearly 20 years old and they look natural as fuck. And they're saline! (Silicon is better).
I also think women with well shaped boobs pre-surgery will have better looking "fake" boobs post-surgery than a girl who was completely flat or had awfully shaped boobs post surgery. Some boobs are difficult to fix.
I'm scared to get a noob job because 1) I love my boobs and fear that I would miss my old boobs if I ever got implants, and 2) I've never gotten a real surgery where I had to be put under (anesthesia) and that scares the shit out of me. But, I do think I'd look good with implants.
What exactly is "natural as fuck"? And do you mean while they ar covered or when they are just hanging around?
IMO, your boobs look well proportioned and quite good based on your avatar. I don't know why you would consider messing with them. Unless it is to cosmetic just to fix the nipples.Those do look strange.
Cardi B doesn’t have nice boobs so that’s not a good argument about why she left dancing—
If you know anything about her, which it seems you don’t, sorry...she left dancing with almost $100k saved, which is maybe not a lot to some of you but consider what the average dancer has when she quits, I would say most have nothing.
Also she has a fake ass and since most of you love to rag on plastic surgery I’m telling you that because you can’t tell that she does....which is what I’ve been saying all along, you can enhance in a way that is attractive or in a way that’s too much.
It is majorly suspected that Beyoncé has her butt done too. FYI.
Ok to be fair I have nothing against Cardi who is successful and I personally think she is attractive, but estefador has a point- I've seen a lot of girls invest a lot of years, money, and effort into this biz for nothing really.
Cardi has a nice ass, but I wouldn't compliment it too much. I'm pretty sure those injections are dangerous. I think bbl is the only safe surgery for ass? I could be wrong.
We know Cardi B sure didn't and her ass and tits are plastic but her face looks like a rat. And she became a rapper, half because it makes more money, other half is because she still wasn't boasting as much sales as her strip club competitors.
"We know Cardi B sure didn't and her ass and tits are plastic but her face looks like a rat. And she became a rapper, half because it makes more money, other half is because she still wasn't boasting as much sales as her strip club competitors."
This is simply bullshit. Cardi danced for years, got her boobs done early on in her dancing career, and was far more popular than her "competitors," which is why she ended up such a popular stripper that she became Instagram famous, got paid to host at clubs, and consequently got a spot on the reality show "Love and Hip Hop" which led to her rapping career taking off. If anything, her fake boobs helped her career. And dancing is what helped her get a platform that led to her rapping success and she is now a multimillionaire.
@pinksugardoll Are you kidding. you can ABSOLUTELY tell her ass is fake. Have you seen the number of black and hispanic women with natural butts and compared them with implants. The difference is absolute. You'd have to literally never seen a natural big booty a day in your life to tell. As a black man formerly from the ghetto, I've seen big butts just going to the store, but everyone lives everywhere, so there's no excuse to not notice the difference. That or you're deliberately ignoring it and trying to make it seem better than it actually is (fake asses).
She, like anyone in the entertainment industry has always inflated her self-worth and woefully lacked her own understanding of money. I've seen her in real life. If she ever had luxury anything, half the time it was due to her previous drug dealer boyfriends. She wasn't buying a gucci wallet herself or a rolex if she ever had one before the fame. Not to mention, not ONLY was she doing stripping back in the day, she was also jumping into reality antics, underground rap, probably helping pushing coke, because that's what you do in the bronx. Her money was never entirely Stripping, she had a bunch of other small, nearly tax free ventures before her rise to fame so stop it.
Beyonce, I don't believe she has a fake ass, it's just good exercise. She doesn't even have a big butt...at least not in today's black girl's standards. I believe their comparing it to the 90's version of beauty standards because compare it to now, those are cute little plump butts. I'd refer to Sir-Mix-a-Lot's iconic song for a good comparison.
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I’m with you, not totally against them but so many women get shitty ones or go way to big. I know a beautiful woman (not a stripper) who is 5’1” with double d’s. She looks ridiculous and now she has a big “refund gap” on her chest (where there’s a huge space between her cleavage). She should have gotten a nice c-cup and be done, but she loves the attention they bring.... stupid whore!
If they are done right - I enjoy them. But there are many dancers who go way too big - or get them done by cut rate surgeons - and both are bad.
Are you attracted to every type of girl in the club?
Breast implants are synthetic, I prefer the real thing - no matter how well done they are IMO/IME they just don't feel quite the same as a real/natural breast - the good ones are just a good approximation IMO.
As flagooner mentioned, the good-implants look good but IMO/IME they don't feel as good as natural.
At best I'll get dances in-spite of the implants, def not bc of them (bc I may really like the rest of her).
@TrapBaby304 hey I sent you a message. Ever see it?
2. I often suspect that young men who have very little experience with FEELING actual human female breasts, are the men who are most likely to wish to LOOK at fake-looking "bolt on" breasts. Hence porn preferences. If they'd go to strip clubs more often, and actually compare the feeling between real and fake, they might change their visual preferences on the basis of their tactile preferences. This is a theory of mine. I know, it's pretty patronizing, and really misses the point of the "fantasy" which fake tits provide.
There are some (few) porn stars with ultra-fake-looking tits who nevertheless really turn me on -- Jessie Rogers (after; though, before is hot, too); Rikki Sixx -- because of the "fantasy" aspect. But most ultra-fake-looking tits simply ruin the look, IMO.
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It makes sense, subconsciously. If humans are hardwired by default to find qualities in a person that would make for an attractive mate.
But the *reality* is that for many women, doing some “tweaks” here and there to themselves are very much to one’s advantage.
(And yes, the reverse could also be said for females as well.)
My boobs are super soft. People ask me all the time if they are fake or real.
I don’t understand the obsession with a girl having real boobs. I’ve seen a lot of boobs. I’ve only seen ONE person with real boobs that were amazing, she’s one of my best friends. I’ve seen a lot of not great implants, but also I’ve seen a million fake boobs that are amazing. One to one million, fake boobs are really tipping that scale.
Nice boobs are nice boobs. You are standing in your own way from appreciating a good thing by being hung up on “but they’re not real.” WAHHH, men.
Nice boobs are nice boobs.
For example, I’ve heard of men complaining that the worst dating advice they hear from women is to “just be yourself.”
Which I agree would be the flip side of men supposedly disliking “unnatural” things about women. Lol
A car is said to be a stand in for a guy’s penis. Personally I think it’s more “auto-erotica” (aka stand in for a woman, who never says no) than a phallus.
Be yourself is dumb advice. Maybe be interesting, well read, and charming would be more correct. But no one puts it like that.
Things I usually can’t tell about a woman. If her boobs are real or not, her real age, her exact weight. Never really mattered.
But I still think that boob jobs is just going too far. So also would be the Chinese foot bind.
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BTW, the OP asked for reasons. The reasons we have are real to us regardless of how irrational or shallow they may seem to others. If you don't want to see or refuse to believe our reasons, don't bother reading them.
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But even beyond the feel of fake breasts (which is generally the worst and most unnatural part to me), is the look as well. I don't like the obvious hemispheres. When a woman takes off her bra, i expect a difference, even a considerable one. There's a whole thing or meme, if you will, of titty drops and they are very sexy, but they don't generally work with obviously fake breasts. For natural fans like me, i very much appreciate the natural look and movement of natural breasts (and of course the feel as well). Even on very rare occasions where i see natural larger breasts that look "fake" (there are a lot of smaller breasts that look kind of fake), as in almost exactly the same shape in and outside the bra, i'm more impressed only in a cognitive sense, but i'm actually less physically turned on by that. Just the strong possibility that they could be fake makes me wary. That is until i feel them and their natural feel more than makes up for the unnatural look.
I'm probably little bit more of a breast connoisseur than the average PL, but i feel the exact same way about butt implants...
If you "had no idea" how could you not be okay with it.
Arguments like that are indefensible and delegitimize the novel you wrote after it.
They don't age well with your body (or at all). The older you get, the more they booth stay the same. Or they just look like balls in a sack because your skin is sagging while your boobs are still around because they're not real.
Consistent boob jobs. Girls have to periodically more than average go in for a boob check because their manufactured. They also create a higher risk of breast cancer and what husband wants to deal with that.
You're never happy with what you got. You hate your boobs, then your lips, then your holy Grail that is your booty. Or maybe you get a hip REDUCTION (wtf?) Before you know it, your a living Barbie doll...or an instathot. And I don't know about anyone else, but fake butts may (they don't) look good to SOME people while in public (they don't) or in pictures, but they have never been reliable in bed and fake butts gets you the red wing boot.
Unqualified value increase. Women who previously had low self-esteem due to their body suddenly think their a perfect 10, their attitude most times gets worse if left unchecked, and they feel only the best of the best men deserve them and only the finest and probably least sentimental gifts will do, when half of these same women are as vapid and clueless as a goldfish. Have you seen some of these dating/escort sites?
Attitude goes a long way when considering attraction in my book. If a boob job makes her more confident without the GPS and removes some insecurity, that will go a long way to countering my distaste for a noticable boob job. It could be a net positive, but that isn't the norm IME.
Not every girl is born with nice everything. Example- some of us can get away with no makeup and this has no effect on money or a positive effect on money. So is the girl with an ugly face supposed to feel like shit? LOL NO. Put on some makeup or get some plastic surgery and keep it moving.
I don't have nice big tits due to genetics. I am fine with mine. But I also see the evidence all around me that girls with either nice natural tits or nice fakes seem to hustle less to make money. They do not necessarily make more, but it comes easier.
This industry is the most competitive, because there are a lot of good looking women. There are also a lot of cheap hoes. It literally pays bills to stand out any way you can especially if you don't wanna be a hoe.
You guys seem to expect every woman to have the most fortunate genetics in every aspect, and that just isn't the reality. It's pretty common for a girl to have some of these things, but very rare for a girl to have everything -naturally! A gorgeous face, nice hips, waist that goes inward, round nice ass, bigger but perky nice tits. I don't really care for all this fake shit on a personal level. But from a moneymaking level from everything I've seen at strip clubs and on cam sites I'd say the fake tits make it easier- then you just have to not get lazy and completely rely on looks.
I haven't met too many girls with everything fake that act like total cunts as you guys describe. Maybe you come off cheap, nasty, rude, and/ or grabby? I act stuck up to guys like that too. If you do not act that way then disregard what I said and you might be right.
I really can’t find fault with a woman who tries to improve her appearance. I think confidence is sexy - and a woman who feels better about her body - will be more confident and sexy.
I understand your response. The thing is that I don't expect or even seek perfection as you claim we do.
I find attraction in flaws. I typically find myself being attracted more to what most consider a "7" than i do to what most consider 9s and 10s and generally feel more comfotable with them and have more fun. Maybe that speaks to some of my insecurities.
The husband may want his wife to be natural, and love her naturally (even if society would downvote her for it), and that’s great.
How many of them though would also still happily go off to fuck the hot bitch with makeup and fake implants and give her money and gifts for her efforts though, and do this bareback to boot?
DISCLAIMER: On the flip side, women do questionable things as well in relationships. I acknowledge that. I’m just trying to prove a point.
Most men (in general), if you ask them when they are being sober and logical, will claim to hate fake tits. But the reality is different for women observing who had the easier time, like blah said.
(And if you are one of those men who really will stop getting dances because you realize there’s something odd about that mostly realistic boob job, then no this doesn’t apply to you or course.)
For myself, all I have to say is thank the deities for my natural nice tiddies. It’s certainly not my charm, grace, and patience to keep regulars around that does me well, LOL
"Most men *claim* to dislike implants, makeup, or anything else that could potentially deceive a man that a female is more attractive than her genetic default."
Makeup and implants are completely different in my opinion. Makeup helps to look great but is removed at the end of the day, and I appreciate that women make the effort to apply and remove it. Implants seems more like an unnecessary life decision to me. You can't take the implants out at night. Implants generally make women look better in clothes, but less good nude.
As a guy, when you consider that, you have to question the real reason why women get them. I think it's mostly to feel better about themselves, which I don't think is a good reason. You should be able to feel good about yourself without fake boobs. Maybe I'm wrong, and the reason is to please all the guys who have a CFNM fetish, and in that case, I'm all for them! But they still don't feel nearly as good as real ones.
I take it that permanent makeup is also disliked then? :p
( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanen… )
Nicespice I didn't even know that permanent makeup existed. The things they come up with these days...I do think going to bed with "makeup" would be a little weird, but to each their own. I can't keep up with the world!
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I have a few friends whose wives have wanted and in some cases gotten implants. I just don't see the need (and their husbands don't either). You're married already so it shouldn't be about looking good to others at that point in your life. Fortunately my wife has natural C cups and would never need or want implants.
If your occupation is contingent on having bigguns then maybe that's different. But even then, I've known several dancers pre-implants and they don't necessarily look better afterwards. Some had very nice boobs before. Maybe in the past the type of guy that visited strip clubs was the type of guy who liked huge tits, but I don't think that's the case in 2018. It's more mainstream and accepted than 30 years ago.
I think there is something primal about big tits. I am not a big tit guy at all, other than nicespice (who's tits are epic BTW) I have never bought a dance from a girl with big tits. I tend to prefer small or medium.... BUT if a girl has big tits it draws my eye. If they are really massive I am drawn to glance and then simultaneously turned off by them which I don't understand.
As an aside, I do like big tits, but I also like small ones. The personality of the dancer is much more important to me than the size of the boob though.
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I thought you did better, even significantly better than most of the girls you worked with. And i thought lot of the less attractive girls making money were doing extras. I don't know, you seem all over the map sometimes. Either these girls are less attractive than you or not and attractiveness is also related to personality. Implants won't change that...
I used to be something of a top earner until I went to Florida. I barely hustle anymore because the vast majority of customers here want way too much for way too little and they annoy/disgust me down here.
I can't English today srry
Here's an example, look up Lana Rhodes. I saw this girl feature at a club I worked at. Bitch is plastic everything at only 21, which is a little sad, yes. But she's made some porn money and she was making retarded fucking money on stage in the club and probably other money signing shit or doing dances which. The ordinary girl next door look she had before is cute. But it isn't the type of look to get major rain money on stage. Now fake body parts get you some serious money.
I'm down with natural and fake though, as long as they're big. Big enough to fill up my huge hands.
We've been over this subject and I bunch on these forums and I also wondered why so many posters on here despise fake boobs. I mean I know we all prefer different things. But when I'm in a club it seems there a ton of guys that like fake boobs just as much as I do. But on these forums, I feel like a serious minority. I'd say like, 10% of guys here are down with fake boobs, while 90% seem to be all about the naturals.
I wish we could post polls on this forum.
estafador, good comments too. theDirkDiggler, you earned a trust from me. I always like your comments. Thanks for your comments, too, April and Paul.
My example from last week. I bought dances from 3 girls. All three had what I would call large A cups on fit girls. But I'm also a complete retard for big boobs, too at times. So I am conflicted. In many ways I'm like steeldog65 and just love it when her boobs come out and I get to see them and maybe touch. Great comments again by Estafador. Boobs are great.
What is considered beautiful in and out of the club are a little different.
Funny to think now that her butt is small compared to a lot of others.
I have said this before here—you can cosmetically enhance in a way that is flattering or a way that is too much. I love my boobs and they look great in a bikini or a white t shirt. They are huge but so is my ass so everything works out.
The only men who ever turn me down for dances because of my boobs (if someone says no, I say “oh, why not?”) are old guys, not younger guys, and they always end up going with a girl who looks 14.
When I was in high school I was a life guard and I put kids breaking the rules into time out. Every time they would ask me if time out was over I would make them wait longer.
There’s your answer.
Guys in here stay asking the female contributors for pics, usually playfully. Like I thought I was being. Sorry if you thought my request sounded gross or something. Since you've posted some pretty racy pictures in the past I thought a request for a butt pic would be no big deal. I guess I thought wrong. I'll take your reply as a no, and sorry for asking.
In my ATF's case, giving birth to two children had deflated her breasts from large Bs/small Cs to shapeless As. Getting enhancements was for her, not to make more bucks. She paid big bucks for a top notch, sub-muscular job and I never felt any joint or edges. When she had them reworked after she suffered a ruptured implant after ~12 years, her new state-of-the-art implants feel amazingly natural. Another favorite had a similarly done pair (done by the same plastic surgeon) that I was never able to tell if they were real or not until she told me. No visible scarring, no lumps, no edges, great shape, totally natural feel.
It's a new game out there guys. If a girl has enhanced boobs that haven't been oversized and have been done with the latest technology, you probably won't know unless you knew her before her operation.
But I am just saying, if a female posts a picture here that’s just a bonus for you guys. It doesn’t benefit us at all to post pictures here and that’s one reason why I don’t do it often.
Not directed at you personally—but I just have enough demands/requests/expectations/etc of me in a sexy context at work...it is draining...and at least their is monetary compensation involved when it happens at the club. If I post a picture here it’s just for fun but I really don’t want to be expected to do something here and critiqued thereafter...it makes me feel like I have to be at work after I punched out from work, but with zero reward. :(
Didn’t mean to offend you though, or be mean.
Anyhow, thanks for your contributions on this forum. I do appreciate the pics you post, as I'm sure everyone else does as well. I sometimes forget you dancers on here get way more private messages and other 'requests' frequently so thanks for the reminder. I wasn't trying to be demanding in asking for a photo so sorry if I came off that way.
@blahblahblah I never heard of this Lana Rhodes until you said something, but she seems like the type who will fade out really fast. Or be like Mia Khalifa and phase herself out really fast. Either way, she may not last long. We know Cardi B sure didn't and her ass and tits are plastic but her face looks like a rat. And she became a rapper, half because it makes more money, other half is because she still wasn't boasting as much sales as her strip club competitors. Just to show perspective of how fake boobs compare to competition.
^ I agree strip club hot is different from regular real life hot imo.
^ yeah, I've seen and felt some really real seeming implants before.
^ ok you do have a point there. I wouldn't go as far as her face looks like a rat but i get the gist of what you are saying. And she did say somewhere she regrets the enhancements somewhere.
I give tge same advice for tattoos and vasectomies.
I also think women with well shaped boobs pre-surgery will have better looking "fake" boobs post-surgery than a girl who was completely flat or had awfully shaped boobs post surgery. Some boobs are difficult to fix.
I'm scared to get a noob job because 1) I love my boobs and fear that I would miss my old boobs if I ever got implants, and 2) I've never gotten a real surgery where I had to be put under (anesthesia) and that scares the shit out of me. But, I do think I'd look good with implants.
IMO, your boobs look well proportioned and quite good based on your avatar. I don't know why you would consider messing with them. Unless it is to cosmetic just to fix the nipples.Those do look strange.
And thanks, I know my boobs are great. My nipples are too, but no one is paying for pics here so I won't apologize for not showing them to you.
Are you incapable of accepting a compliment?
And Flagooner, I said "thanks." What did you expect me to do, kiss your feet?
Hey Founder, how can we pay to see Nina's boobs on this site?
Thanks
Ever since I became a stripper, I catch myself fondling my boobs in public when I am bored. Like at a check out line at a grocery store or something.
Sooooo... Ya how much? And where the website?
Agreed!
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If you know anything about her, which it seems you don’t, sorry...she left dancing with almost $100k saved, which is maybe not a lot to some of you but consider what the average dancer has when she quits, I would say most have nothing.
Also she has a fake ass and since most of you love to rag on plastic surgery I’m telling you that because you can’t tell that she does....which is what I’ve been saying all along, you can enhance in a way that is attractive or in a way that’s too much.
It is majorly suspected that Beyoncé has her butt done too. FYI.
This is simply bullshit. Cardi danced for years, got her boobs done early on in her dancing career, and was far more popular than her "competitors," which is why she ended up such a popular stripper that she became Instagram famous, got paid to host at clubs, and consequently got a spot on the reality show "Love and Hip Hop" which led to her rapping career taking off. If anything, her fake boobs helped her career. And dancing is what helped her get a platform that led to her rapping success and she is now a multimillionaire.
She, like anyone in the entertainment industry has always inflated her self-worth and woefully lacked her own understanding of money. I've seen her in real life. If she ever had luxury anything, half the time it was due to her previous drug dealer boyfriends. She wasn't buying a gucci wallet herself or a rolex if she ever had one before the fame. Not to mention, not ONLY was she doing stripping back in the day, she was also jumping into reality antics, underground rap, probably helping pushing coke, because that's what you do in the bronx. Her money was never entirely Stripping, she had a bunch of other small, nearly tax free ventures before her rise to fame so stop it.
Beyonce, I don't believe she has a fake ass, it's just good exercise. She doesn't even have a big butt...at least not in today's black girl's standards. I believe their comparing it to the 90's version of beauty standards because compare it to now, those are cute little plump butts. I'd refer to Sir-Mix-a-Lot's iconic song for a good comparison.